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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by malvisguy212: 10:05am On Dec 18, 2014
joseph1013:


Again, the challenge of coming up with these assertions is that we open up a world of questions about their implications.

So, let's say Gos permitted in.ce.st by Cain. Why would God do that? Why does an all-knowing, all-powerful God do that?

Couldn't an all-knowing God design a creation plan that did not necessitate in.ce.st of the type that God would later make punishable by death? (Death is nothing mild, remember.) Was the in.ce.st requirement an "oops, my bad" slip of mind?

Was his God-breath not high octane enough to fuel multiple pairs of first generation humans whose children would not have to procreate with close relatives?

Think about it?
I thought I made myself clear on this in my earlier post? The law incest was not giving yet and paul say'' if there is no law then there is no violation of law or sin'' God did not imposed the law of incest yet because man is in the state of perfection,adam did not have genetic defects in him,but when man begin to lose the perfection gradually, then God imposed the law of incest on the isrealite, God know man has lost the perfection in him so he told moses in liviticus to go and number each man with his family,after moses has done that then God imposed the Law of incest.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by malvisguy212: 10:10am On Dec 18, 2014
frank317:
Lol... Our dear funny God permitted in.cest at first because that was the only way his all knowing mind could come up on how the earth could populate.

Then he later stopped it after achieving his aim and decide that anyone who does it will be punished by death or be thrown in hell forever.

Your God must be an all knowing clown
I thought I made myself clear on this in my earlier
post? The law Inbreeding was not giving yet and paul
say'' if there is no law then there is no violation of
law or sin'' God did not imposed the law of
Inbreeding yet because man is in the state of
perfection,adam did not have genetic defects in
him,but when man begin to lose the perfection
gradually, then God imposed the law of Inbreeding
on the isrealite, God know man has lost the
perfection in him so he told moses in liviticus to go
and number each man with his family,after moses
has done that then God imposed the Law of
Inbreeding.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 10:21am On Dec 18, 2014
Shirley07:

There's a reason for such, which is to enable a unified world. Even evolution scientist can't dispute the theory that we descended from one source, making the world a unified world. Without it, there won't be any semblance of love in this world we live in.

Unified world? How? It shows that your version of god is not as intelligent as you try to make him.

That scientists say that we are from a source does not mean that we are from YOUR god.

Semblance of love? Arggghhh...where do you guys get this? How does a common source help with love? Are you saying you cant love people who you are not related with?
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by philfearon(m): 10:23am On Dec 18, 2014
Shirley07:

Whatever you choose to believe. As for me, my faith is unwavered.
And I have seen a dead rise up in a camp I attended and this isn't a farce. I myself, apart from experiencing a true salvation, have seen His wonders around me.
Like I said earlier, you were never a christian to begin with. If you were, the experience of true salvation is enough to convince you there's God. Next time, aspire to carry the right spirit within you and this you can't get by being religious, you have to retrace your steps.
You guys never cease to amaze me...
So if a dead rose up,it now means that there is God(Yahweh)?
Some people have died 1hr,45mins,60secs,etc and woken up,so?
And what is this True Salvation you experienced?
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 10:34am On Dec 18, 2014
Shirley07:

Whatever you choose to believe. As for me, my faith is unwavered.
And I have seen a dead rise up in a camp I attended and this isn't a farce. I myself, apart from experiencing a true salvation, have seen His wonders around me.

You saw a miracle? Buddy, never trust your eyes. NOt everything your eyes sees are TRULY true.

Example:
Under a baking sun, a weary traveller trudges across a seemingly never-ending expanse of desert. Looking up, he suddenly spots something in the distance: a sparkling lake. He rubs his eyes. It’s still there. Picking up the pace in glee he strides ahead… only for the water to melt into thin air.

Our traveller was not hallucinating. He just experienced a mirage, which are a naturally-occurring optical illusion.

We have all experienced this while driving in a really hot sun.

The illusion results from the way in which light is refracted (bent) through air at different temperatures. Cold air is denser than warm air, and therefore has a greater refractive index. This means that as light passes down from cool to hot air, it gets bent upwards towards the denser air and away from the ground.

To your eyes, these distorted rays seem to be coming from the ground, so you perceive a refracted image of the sky on the ground. This looks just like a reflection on the surface of a pool of water, which can easily cause confusion.

That's one example of why trusting your eyes is sometimes deceptive.

A great way to be sure you really experienced raising of the dead is to do it in a control environment. Do it in a way that no other reason can be attributed to the end-result.

Infact, there is a man called Randi who has given a $1million challenge to anyone who can do a miracle in a control environment. You think Nigerian pastors dont need the money? Why have they not taken him up on the challenge? Here is the link to it:

http://web.randi.org/the-million-dollar-challenge.html

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 11:29am On Dec 18, 2014
Shirley07:

Like I said earlier, you were never a christian to begin with. If you were, the experience of true salvation is enough to convince you there's God. Next time, aspire to carry the right spirit within you and this you can't get by being religious, you have to retrace your steps.

That statement is not a surprising one.

"It's so sad." This is the most common response I have heard from family, friends, and other interested believers upon learning of my loss of faith despite all I did on Campus.

I have been told that if I had embraced a slightly different brand of Christianity (perhaps the deeper life type or the Anglican type , and not the tongue-speaking bible-digging brand), I could have avoided coming down this path. It was because I believed incorrectly, or because I wasn't truly a believer in the first place, or because I did not seek God earnestly enough, or because I did not submit to his sovereignty, that I ended up abandoning the faith.

At times I have explained to others my reasons for doubting, only to have these reasons dismissed with the question, "So what's the real reason you left God?" I often sense a conviction on their part that my disbelief must stem from an inward moral flaw. It's laughable really.

It is not only Christians who wonder why I have left the faith—I, too, have been puzzled by these questions: Why me? Why not Chinedu? Why not Tayo? What is it about my nature that has led me down this road, while the vast majority of believers never take this turn, even though at times they are troubled by doubt?

Yet at some point it occurred to me that I had been looking at my experience from the wrong perspective. If I was justified in jumping ship, then a more appropriate question to ask was why I ever believed in the first place. And why did I remain a believer for as long as I did?

I think that is the question you should ask.

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 11:33am On Dec 18, 2014
malvisguy212:
I thought I made myself clear on this in my earlier post? The law incest was not giving yet and paul say'' if there is no law then there is no violation of law or sin'' God did not imposed the law of incest yet because man is in the state of perfection,adam did not have genetic defects in him,but when man begin to lose the perfection gradually, then God imposed the law of incest on the isrealite, God know man has lost the perfection in him so he told moses in liviticus to go and number each man with his family,after moses has done that then God imposed the Law of incest.

So if there was a law about in.ce.st, was there a law about murder? Why did God banish Cain since there was no law about murder?

Why did God destroy the world with water, since there was no law about the sins he accuse human race of?
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Weah96: 11:37am On Dec 18, 2014
joseph1013:


I agree. Consider the following example real life.

Many years ago, a friend was featured on TV. He was at a popular monthly religious healing meeting, very visibly being healed of epilepsy. I say visibly because he was having a fit right on stage. The 'spirit' of epilepsy was cast out and my friend returned home rejoicing.

A few months later, my friend was dead. He died of an epileptic fit. Died because the university students around him didn't know about safe positioning of a 'fitting' person. He died of a condition he had been cured of.

I lost a friend to cancer, despite the prayers of many. Not the containable type of cancer, treatable by resection surgery, but one that had spread. I lost another friend to cancer who refused to undergo treatment but chose to 'have faith.' Neither faith nor prayer could cure her.

I know 2 people with incurable auto-immune diseases, who are yet to be cured, despite their faith and the prayers of many.

Faith healers CANNOT heal people of incurable diseases. They CANNOT grow out amputated limbs. They CANNOT create new eyeballs where there's been none. They CANNOT make a bone fully heal on the same day that it breaks. They CANNOT reverse the paralytic effects of polio or the musculoskeletal imbalance of cerebral palsy. They CANNOT raise the truly dead.

The things that they do, that convince the unsuspecting hoipolloi to believe, can be explained in many of several other ways. I've seen enough of these healings on video, and heard enough testimonies. What we need is for a skeptic to go about with a camera to investigate these accounts of healing and miracles and post the results on social media.

It won't stop the believers from believing, but at least it should bring a different spin to the discussion.

Yea, they're cheap magicians, as Hitchens used to say. Real magicians might grow a limb before your very eyes or levitate like the character Jesus in the bible.

These guys who heal arthritis and gastritis are not worth 5 kobo in the market square as magicians.

I would pay to watch David Blaine sit in a block of ice for almost 1 week rather than watch TB Joshua heal someone of depression.

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by malvisguy212: 11:52am On Dec 18, 2014
joseph1013:


So if there was a law about in.ce.st, was there a law about murder? Why did God banish Cain since there was no law about murder?

Why did God destroy the world with water, since there was no law about the sins he accuse human race of?
are you not the one that created this thread? Were have you been? All this issues has been clear,have you been sleeping?

The law was invincible to them but they can differentiate between good and evil,when adam ate the fruit, why did he hide from God? He know what is good and bad.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by ooman(m): 11:53am On Dec 18, 2014
Hadeep:

What matter is our action towards life in general. because if we just have faith but failed to live right then our faith is of no need. What the nature want from us is not only the faith but also our action. Moreover I choose to believe in God rather than in religion. Religion is confusing!!!

Actually, it is god who is the author of confusion, since he started all religions.

The question is simple, what exactly do I need to live right? Faith or work?
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by ooman(m): 11:55am On Dec 18, 2014
malvisguy212:
what you are saying is impossible. if you have faith in christ it mean you are a new born creature in other word b you are born of God and cannot sin,the bible say in;
1 John 3:9
No one who is born of God will continue to sin,
because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go
on sinning, because they have been born of God

Are you saying all Christ believers are saints?
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Hadeep: 12:40pm On Dec 18, 2014
ooman:


Actually, it is god who is the author of confusion, since he started all religions.

The question is simple, what exactly do I need to live right? Faith or work?
Hahahahahahahahaha
God the author of confusion
I never think soo my Gee
I think we human are our own confusions and problems.
And for ur notice ,God was never the maker of religion, Religion is a man made confusion.
Hoping to reach throug it to God. And that's why Christian for example believe they are serving God by attending churches or being a Christian.
Meanwhile my faith is in the one that Created me. and also wherever or whatever religion you found yourself just be conscious and live right and the star will be your starting point.

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 12:40pm On Dec 18, 2014
malvisguy212:
are you not the one that created this thread? Were have you been? All this issues has been clear,have you been sleeping?

The law was invincible to them but they can differentiate between good and evil,when adam ate the fruit, why did he hide from God? He know what is good and bad.

How can a law be invincible? Adam hid because there was an express instruction from god (according to the fable). So tell me the express instruction given to Cain and all the people who transgressed before the written mosaic law.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by ooman(m): 12:45pm On Dec 18, 2014
Hadeep:

Hahahahahahahahaha
God the author of confusion
I never think soo my Gee
I think we human are our own confusions and problems.
And for ur notice ,God was never the maker of religion, Religion is a man made confusion.
Hoping to reach throug it to God. And that's why Christian for exactly believe they are serving God by attending churches or being a Christian.
Meanwhile my faith is in the one that Created me. and also wherever or whatever religion you found yourself just be conscious and live right and the star will be your starting point.

If I remember clearly, god sent Jesus to come and save the world - that started a faction called Christianity.
This same god sent some demons angels to mohamed - that started another faction called Islam.
Other gods appeared to other people, and this started some other religions and denominations.

Besides, if god does not like this confusion, he can just poke his nose down to earth and tell us who is really right.

I can never be dumb enough to find myself in a religion.

If your faith is in the one that created you, then your faith is in your parent...

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 1:07pm On Dec 18, 2014
joseph1013:


How can a law be[b] invincible[/b]? Adam hid because there was an express instruction from god (according to the fable). So tell me the express instruction given to Cain and all the people who transgressed before the written mosaic law.

I got thrown by that earlier. I believe she means to say Invisible. And by 'invisible' she means to say Unconscious or subconscious. So, they were not consciously aware of the law.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Hadeep: 2:10pm On Dec 18, 2014
ooman:


If I remember clearly, god sent Jesus to come and save the world - that started a faction called Christianity.
This same god sent some demons angels to mohamed - that started another faction called Islam.
Other gods appeared to other people, and this started some other religions and denominations.

Besides, if god does not like this confusion, he can just poke his nose down to earth and tell us who is really right.

I can never be dumb enough to find myself in a religion.

If your faith is in the one that created you, then your faith is in your parent...
Jesus christ that came is A God in a man.
Christianity was form when he had gone, I didn't think he was the one that told his disciples to form certain religion with his name. What he told them as it is written in the bible was to preach to every man and nation of His salvation and resurection. And to do as He do for eternal live to be yours.
But the question to the ones that claim to be Christlike,is are they (Acting Christlike)my brother what have is (preaching Christlike) and that's why we have confusions and problems here and there.


And for my faith being to my parents.
Man don't you believe in the background of human creation??

All humans are brothers and sister from Adamic fall !!!!
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by honourhim: 2:26pm On Dec 18, 2014
frank317:


If God knows the end from the beginning, created Lucifer despite knowing that Lucifer will revolt against him and make man, his loving creation, to disobey him, then this whole drama makes no sense.


Yes God knows the end from the beginning. He is a like potter. A potter does not create to please the vessel rather he creates to please his concept. Read Romans 9:20-23.

frank317:



This your ideology only makes your God sound more silly and confused.


Honestly bro your opinion about God doesn't remove anything from him as the almighty God.

frank317:



Why does he get angry at what he knew would happen?
Why does he regret creating man despite knowing he would sin against him?

Wrath/anger is part of his attributes/characteristics and something must happen to make it manifest just as mercy is part of his characteristics/attributes and something must happen to make it manifest.
Without these negatives we wouldn't have known and appreciate his mercy and love.

frank317:


Why is he asking people to come to him all those that are heavy laden when he already knows those who would perish and those who would yeild to his call.


Those that will not perish stll needs the call before they can yield.

frank317:


Are u trying to tell me that God knew he would get angry or unhappy at man's behaviour even before he created man?


Yes he knew. The redemption plan he made from the foundation of the world shows that he knew. If he didn't know then he wouldn't be all knowing God. He knew bro.

frank317:



If God already know I will not yeild to his call of repentance, of what use is ur preaching to me?


You can't say for sure that you will not yield to repentance bro. There are a lot of atheists who thought they will not repent but when the time came they repented. Don't be suprised you may repent tomorrow. You don't know what the future holds so you can't conclude.

frank317:



Or am I getting you wrong? I am beginning to think your God is a psycho (no insult intended, just the conclusion from what I read from ur post)

Like I said, whatever you call God doesn't remove anything from his greatness. You are only satisfying your emotions. It doesn't change anything. God is still the almighty.

These are my own views based on what I ve read in the bible and they are not final. Another person might have a better biblical view.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by honourhim: 2:44pm On Dec 18, 2014
philfearon:


Really!!

You are still doing what you accuse your fellow brethren of doing bro-Defending God...

I told you from the onset that I view God from what the bible said about him and that's what I ve been doing. If that's what you call defence then no problem.



philfearon:


You are still begging the question which is: Since you have in your statement above,stated that God intentionally planned for man to fail..He created man to be messed up,therefore why does he still take offence?

Kindly go through my response to Frank317 on this. Thanks.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by philfearon(m): 3:05pm On Dec 18, 2014
honourhim:


I told you from the onset that I view God from what the bible said about him and that's what I ve been doing. If that's what you call defence then no problem.





Kindly go through my response to Frank317 on this. Thanks.
I strongly have come to believe that you are really confusing yourself bro.....
From the reply you gave Frank317,its obvious you are just confusing yourself the more....You keep begging the question which is:
What's the need of Redemption, when prevention is the best way?
All of his creation is flawed,starting from the angels down to every last thing in this earth...
Is it the sin of Adam that causes Earthquake,Hurricanes,Storm,Acidic Rain,Ozone Layer depletion,Tremors,Volcano's, etc? No! It is Your Gods flawed creation...It renders him Imperfect and Incapable of Been All-Knowing
If you can't understand this simple things,then am sorry,I must end my discuss with you,Cause it seems you cant see facts from Myths and illogicality and you are hell-bent on the Bible Said so!
Its obvious that God who is supposed to be The Highest of beings expresses human emotions like anger,regret,hatred,Love,Friendship,affection..All this things are mere human attributes,but they are attributed to God...Someone who expresses all this emotions will be flawed and blinded and Biased,and ultimately imperfect...Don't you still get it?

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:21pm On Dec 18, 2014
[b]A few thoughts... (4)

WHAT IF SCIENCE WAS LIKE RELIGION?

How would we make progress if we had different schools of science in different parts of the world, each with their own theories of gravity, electromagnetism and thermodynamics?

Where would we be if proponents of the different theories believed their own theory with certainty and refused to change their minds? What if proponents would prefer to fight each other rather than accept a competing theory?

If science was like this we would make little or no progress. We would be stuck in the dark ages, living short lives in poverty and fear.

Fortunately, science is not like that. In science, disagreements are resolved by resorting to reason, evidence and meticulous study. That is why we have only one theory of gravity, one theory of electromagnetism and one theory of thermodynamics.

As a result, science has helped us make stunning progress in every field from medicine to transportation to communications. Today, we take for granted things that would have been seen as wild science fiction only 100 years ago.

Science is not like that, but religion is.

Why is it that science is making amazing progress whilst religion makes none at all? Why can we not all agree on a god and religion?

There is a simple answer. Science deals with reality and there is only one reality. Religion relies on invented stories and you can invent as many stories as you like.

What you cannot do, is show an invented story to be true. That is an impossibility.

Science has brought us tremendous progress. Religion has brought NONE. Yet religionists want us to believe that the god (whichever version they profess) deserve all our worship and adulation despite the fact that all our progress and achievements have come from us ALONE without his efforts.
[/b]

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by sinequanon: 3:47pm On Dec 18, 2014
joseph1013:
A lil rant (4)

Hi, how is your Christianity separation therapy going? cool

joseph1013:
WHAT IF SCIENCE WAS LIKE RELIGION?

It is.

joseph1013:
If science was like this we would make little or no progress. We would be stuck in the dark ages, living short lives in poverty and fear.

Wrong. The longest-lived people in the world live mainly in unspoiled isolated regions, relatively far from the technological revolution.

The most notable example in the US are a religious group...

http://www.aplaceformom.com/blog/2013-03-29-where-people-live-the-longest/

3. Loma Linda, California

60 miles east of Los Angeles, Loma Linda is a community that includes about 9,000 Seventh-Day Adventists—a religious group that is significantly longer-lived than the average American. Adventist culture is focused on healthful habits such as vegetarianism, and warns against alcohol and smoking.

joseph1013:
Fortunately, science is not like that. In science, disagreements are resolved by resorting to reason, evidence and meticulous study. That is why we have only one theory of gravity, one theory of electromagnetism and one theory of thermodynamics.

Wrong. There are at least two theories of gravity in current use.

joseph1013:
Science has brought us tremendous progress. Religion has brought NONE.

Technology is way ahead of science (technology is what you are referring to).

Technology does not wait for unified theories.

Medicine worked before medical science had an explanation.

Aircraft flew before any scientific model even came close to explaining the aerodynamics.

Semiconductors were developed before science came up with an explanation.

Modems were working while scientists were still trying to figure out how.

Don't confuse technology with science. Science is a religion.

Religions (including science) have brought some form of progress and many problems.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 3:55pm On Dec 18, 2014
Bros, Science cannot be like religion and they are incomparable, in function and in methodology. Science is a means of enquiry while Religion is an ideology.

They are applied to different functions. Religion, and social myths, for example are applied to creating coherent societies. For example, Myths of Origin. I'm not aware of any society that does not have myths of Origin. When brought under scrutiny for historical verification the myths might fall apart, but they are not meant to be history in the first place. Their purpose is political.

The Myth of King Arthur was used to created an English Identity. When studied historically we actually find that the character that was developed into King Arthur was actually a warrior who fought against the Anglo-Saxon invaders (in other words he was England's enemy not their founder) in defense of the Britons who were the citizens of the Roman empire that were left over in Britain after the roman empire fell.

I am without doubt that Oduduwa was not the founder of any yoruba peoples. Possibly he was an invader who conquered and oppressed the original inhabitants of Ife.

etc etc etc. Same goes for Abraham story.

But what cannot be denied though is the incredible power of such myths to forge a people into a sense of oneness of identity and of destiny. It is essential to nation building.

Second criticism: There are more than one theory of Gravity. There is the theory espoused by Newton which suggests that masses exert an attractive force on each other. Then there is the other theory invented by Einstein that suggests that gravity is the result of a curvature of SpaceTime. The curvature is caused by masses and by Energy.

What seems to remain the same is Facts of reality. The number of Theories we devise to explain these facts are limited only by our imaginations (not any yeye kind of imagination but a disciplined rigorous imagination).

People do not kill themselves over science but they kill themselves over ideologies. Ideologies can be both religious and secular.

I also question the concept of 'progress' but that might be a bit too far from where this thread is.


joseph1013:
A lil rant (4)

WHAT IF SCIENCE WAS LIKE RELIGION?

How would we make progress if we had different schools of science in different parts of the world, each with their own theories of gravity, electromagnetism and thermodynamics?

Where would we be if proponents of the different theories believed their own theory with certainty and refused to change their minds? What if proponents would prefer to fight each other rather than accept a competing theory?

If science was like this we would make little or no progress. We would be stuck in the dark ages, living short lives in poverty and fear.

Fortunately, science is not like that. In science, disagreements are resolved by resorting to reason, evidence and meticulous study. That is why we have only one theory of gravity, one theory of electromagnetism and one theory of thermodynamics.

As a result, science has helped us make stunning progress in every field from medicine to transportation to communications. Today, we take for granted things that would have been seen as wild science fiction only 100 years ago.

Science is not like that, but religion is.

Why is it that science is making amazing progress whilst religion makes none at all? Why can we not all agree on a god and religion?

There is a simple answer. Science deals with reality and there is only one reality. Religion relies on invented stories and you can invent as many stories as you like.

What you cannot do, is show an invented story to be true. That is an impossibility.

Science has brought us tremendous progress. Religion has brought NONE. Yet religionists want us to believe that the god (whichever version they profess) deserve all our worship and adulation despite the fact that all our progress and achievements have come from us ALONE without his efforts.

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by sinequanon: 4:36pm On Dec 18, 2014
PastorAIO:
Bros, Science cannot be like religion and they are incomparable, in function and in methodology. Science is a means of enquiry while Religion is an ideology.

Religion is a means of inquiry, too. Prayer is a means of inquiry. Bible study is a means of inquiry.

And science is an ideology. It is a way of observing the world and defining what is and isn't "real".

PastorAIO:
They are applied to different functions. Religion, and social myths, for example are applied to creating coherent societies. For example, Myths of Origin. I'm not aware of any society that does not have myths of Origin. When brought under scrutiny for historical verification the myths might fall apart, but they are not meant to be history in the first place. Their purpose is political.

The Myth of King Arthur was used to created an English Identity. When studied historically we actually find that the character that was developed into King Arthur was actually a warrior who fought against the Anglo-Saxon invaders (in other words he was England's enemy not their founder) in defense of the Britons who were the citizens of the Roman empire that were left over in Britain after the roman empire fell.

Science has social myths, too. Just look at eugenics, for example. Any form of inquiry is subject to mythology. What do you think makes scientists immune from all the corruption that goes on in every field of human endeavour?

Making heroes of people is common in historical accounts. Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein etc. they have been turned into heroes for cultural reasons. When Einstein was asked if he got E = mc^2 after reading about Lorentz' derivation of space time transformation, he said that he couldn't remember! Yet, it is Einstein who gets all the accolades.

PastorAIO:
Second criticism: There are more than one theory of Gravity. There is the theory espoused by Newton which suggests that masses exert an attractive force on each other. Then there is the other theory invented by Einstein that suggests that gravity is the result of a curvature of SpaceTime. The curvature is caused by masses and by Energy.

What seems to remain the same is Facts of reality. The number of Theories we devise to explain these facts are limited only by our imaginations (not any yeye kind of imagination but a disciplined rigorous imagination).

That is no explanation. Just labels. What is considered yeye yesterday can be considered disciplined tomorrow. There is a lot of retrospection, and science is certainly no exception.

PastorAIO:
People do not kill themselves over science but they kill themselves over ideologies. Ideologies can be both religious and secular.

I also question the concept of 'progress' but that might be a bit too far from where this thread is.

What is meant by 'progress' is absolutely central to why science is an ideology. People take for granted that their destiny is to control and exploit the environment. It is out of this ideology that science defines reality. "If it can't potentially be commandeered, ignore it -- it isn't real."

In what way do people kill themselves over religion, that is not economics?

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 4:42pm On Dec 18, 2014
sinequanon:


[quote author=sinequanon post=28995849]Hi, how is your Christianity separation therapy going? cool

Why have you not answered the question I posed to you. If you continue like this, I treat you like I treat pests. IGNORE. Okay? Thanks though for checking up on me.



sinequanon:
It is.

Science is religion? You definitely know nothing. You need to get a refund from whichever school you attended. I'm serious!

sinequanon:
Wrong. The longest-lived people in the world live mainly in unspoiled isolated regions, relatively far from the technological revolution.

The most notable example in the US are a religious group...

http://www.aplaceformom.com/blog/2013-03-29-where-people-live-the-longest/

Obviously, you are a troll.

When religious people practice healthy lifestyle, they reap the benefits. You obviously for sinister reasons didnt include the reason they live long. I will add it.

Secrets of Longevity: Besides the healthful habits integral to their belief system, Adventists eat lots of nuts, drink plenty of water, exercise regularly and tend to maintain a healthy weight. They nurture emotional and spiritual health, value their family relationships, and prize volunteering.


So it is not because they pray to god to give them long life, it is because they have a healthy lifestyle.

Questions: Do they go to the hospital when they get sick or they depend exclusively on god for healing? Do they attend schools or ask god to teach them? Do they use modern day gadgets? In essence, do they employ things that have passed through rigorous scientific methods?






sinequanon:
Wrong. There are at least two theories of gravity in current use.

Again, you exhibit your ignorance and to be truthfully I have a low threshold for your low level of intelligence.

There is only ONE theory of gravity. What your low intelligence calls another one is found in Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity. I wont teach you this one. Go find out yourself why they dont conflict.



sinequanon:
Technology is way ahead of science (technology is what you are referring to).

Technology does not wait for unified theories.

Medicine worked before medical science had an explanation.

Aircraft flew before any scientific model even came close to explaining the aerodynamics.

Semiconductors were developed before science came up with an explanation.

Modems were working while scientists were still trying to figure out how.

Again, these are very simple concepts that kids in primary one can grasp. Are you uniquely ignorant or you are a simpleton?

I hate to teach you this but nonetheless I will. Science and technology are interwoven and that is why instead of saying Science and Technolgy, most folks just say Science.

Here are the definitions:

Science is a systematic way of acquiring knowledge,requires the use of scientific skills such as observation,inference etc.
Technology is the application of science.

Technology comes about through science. Science is the study of the world around us, how to understand it and how to make it better. Without science there would be no technology. We wouldn't be communicating on computers if scientists like Ben Franklin, Thomas Edison or Nikola Tesla had never tried to understand electricity.
Technology is nothing but Applied Sciences.

Both technology and science are derivatives of Mathematics, Physical Sciences, Chemical Sciences and Biological Sciences.





sinequanon:
Don't confuse technology with science. Science is a religion.

Now, I wanna lose it. How can science be a religion? Are you for real?

Science can NEVER be a religion. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Science is not a "belief system" but a process and methodology for seeking an objective reality. Of course because scientific exploration is a human endeavor it comes with all the flaws of humanity: ego, short-sightedness, corruption and greed.

But unlike a "belief system" such as religion untethered to an objective truth, science is over time self-policing; competing scientists have a strong incentive to corroborate and build on the findings of others; but equally, to prove other scientists wrong by means that can be duplicated by others.

Nobody is doing experiments to demonstrate how Noah could live to 600 years old, because those who believe that story are not confined to reproducible evidence to support their belief. But experiments were done to show the earth orbits the sun, not the other way around.

Here is the fundamental and irreconcilable conflict between the two: science searches for mechanisms and the answer to "how" the universe functions, with no appeal to higher purpose, without assuming the existence of such purpose. Religion seeks meaning and the answer to "why" the world is as we know it, based on the unquestioned assumption that such meaning and purpose exist. The two worldviews could not more incompatible.

Religion and science are incompatible at every level. The two seek different answers to separate questions using fundamentally and inherently incompatible methods. Nothing can truly bring the two together without sacrificing intellectual honesty.

Many scientists initially resisted Copernicus, Kepler and Galileo because they presented a new paradigm of the universe. Well, exactly! What this proves is that over time, science is indeed self-correcting while faith is not. While we all know now, due to science, that the earth orbits the sun, the Church is still fighting the battle with Galileo. Even today in the 21st century, the Church claims that Galileo shares blame because he made unproven assertions.

YOU ARE AN INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST MAN! PERIOD!





sinequanon:
Religions (including science) have brought some form of progress and many problems.

NONSENSE! Name one progress, just ONE , that religion has brought humanity.

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by ooman(m): 4:50pm On Dec 18, 2014
Hadeep:

Jesus christ that came is A God in a man.
Christianity was form when he had gone, I didn't think he was the one that told his disciples to form certain religion with his name. What he told them as it is written in the bible was to preach to every man and nation of His salvation and resurection. And to do as He do for eternal live to be yours.
But the question to the ones that claim to be Christlike,is are they (Acting Christlike)my brother what have is (preaching Christlike) and that's why we have confusions and problems here and there.
your message is your religion.
Hadeep:
And for my faith being to my parents.
Man don't you believe in the background of human creation??

All humans are brothers and sister from Adamic fall !!!!

No one is from Adam. Adam is a myth.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by RikoduoSennin(m): 4:51pm On Dec 18, 2014
PastorAIO:











@RikoduoSennin, please you need to follow the thread properly from the beginning. I've stated my objectives and the perspective I'm coming from very clearly. A lot of shenanigans have come out of this 'Before the Law, after the Law' crap. I'm trying to expose it for the inconsistent balderdash that it is.

btw what do you think of this excerpt from the prophets:



“I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34“They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the LORD, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”


Has it been fulfilled? When was it fulfilled?



Yes it has been fulfilled.

Penticost 33 CE.

The prophecy above is different from human conscience- something all humans have since the beginning.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by sinequanon: 5:08pm On Dec 18, 2014
joseph1013:
So it is not because they pray to god to give them long life, it is because they have a healthy lifestyle.

I didn't mention god, you did. You need to calm down and stop arguing with yourself.

What is enabling this healthy lifestyle that other Americans don't have. Calm down (if you are able to), focus and try to answer the question.

There is only ONE theory of gravity. What your low intelligence calls another one is found in Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity. I wont teach you this one. Go find out yourself why they dont conflict.

Back to ranting nonsense because you are out of your depth.

OK.

Technology is the application of science.

Wrong. Technology can be based on trial and error (with no scientific explanation), hearsay, juju, alchemy, dreams and a host of other non-scientific things. There are examples in practice of all of these.

You are an ignorant, ranting regurgitator, who would do well to go away and expand her thought process. Bye!
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Hadeep: 5:12pm On Dec 18, 2014
ooman:

your message is your religion.
Ya that's true


No one is from Adam. Adam is a myth.
OOk, can you tell me where you and I are from,The outcome of Me and you?
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 5:16pm On Dec 18, 2014
RikoduoSennin:


Yes it has been fulfilled.

Penticost 33 CE.

The prophecy above is different from human conscience- something all humans have since the beginning.

So the law that he writes on their hearts ... is it the abolished law? Or another law that we still have to keep?
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by ooman(m): 5:17pm On Dec 18, 2014
Hadeep:

OOk, can you tell me where you and I are from,The outcome of Me and you?

Of course, we are from ancient apes, we are modern ape.

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Hadeep: 5:24pm On Dec 18, 2014
ooman:


Of course, we are from ancient apes, we are modern ape.
Hahahahahahahahah
Bro pls my ancient aren't Ape abeg.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by ooman(m): 5:25pm On Dec 18, 2014
Hadeep:

Hahahahahahahahah
Bro pls my ancient aren't Ape abeg.
ok

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