naijababe:


Ilugun, I can debate this point till eternity with you! He is greater than Awo already trust me, some of us are just unwilling to admit it just yet. My only grouse with him is his capitalist tendencies, make dem allow poor small abeg!

How old are you? Lemme guess.....you were born in the 80s and failed to do your research on Awolowo?

That is why you are making this fake assertion, that is totally lacking in depth, analysis and intellectual rigour on this forum?

naijababe:


Very pragmatic, he was willing to change Nigeria one hamlet at a time, no grand visions.
He built bridges before he needed them.
He knew his baggage, acknowledged them and never gave his opponents the chance to use that baggage against him.
He played the long game ( dammit man, nucca was almost like a mafia boss in this respect).
He understands and acknowledges the Nigerian skewed politics and played it to his advantage, many times to the surprise and helplessness of his opponents.
And REGIONALISM!!! He knows that success of Nigeria lies in that system and is gradually pushing towards that

Should I go on? All the above were mistakes Awo made!

I don't like him o but mehn, i have a lot of respect for him.

All you've listed are his virtues as a consummate politician that understands the Nigerian political terrain...perhaps better than any Nigerian politician alive....

However, as a leader....your impact must be felt by the majority of your people in term of the dividend of leadership.....I don't think he can come close to Pa Awolowo in the service to the people and legacy achievements....

Boss13:
He is greater than awolowo - my own opnion. In him lies the relevance of the yoruba race politically. The great strategist, a visionary, a wise one and foremost - a political godfather

I don't like him but I strongly admire and respect him. His actions forces you to respect him.

This sweet victory was made possible because of him

he is the new obasanjo in the making

ilugunboy:


I don't think.....he just played a different kind of politics.....a very pragmatic type of politics. The politics that says "You don't need to like the face of a person before you work with such person for a mutually beneficial relationship ".....

He is a more pragmatic politician than Pa Awolowo....but not necessary a better leader.

Nothing to add, except they are different leaders for different era. Ruthless pragmatism.

ilugunboy:


All you've listed are his virtues as a consummate politician that understands the Nigerian political terrain...perhaps better than any Nigerian politician alive.... or dead

However, as a leader....your impact must be felt by the majority of your people in term of the dividend of leadership.....I don't think he can come close to Pa Awolowo in the service to the people and legacy achievements....

I disagree, we may not feel his impact directly but his decision making and the ability to put square pegs in square holes is what will deliver his impact. If he works with men who see beyond themselves and are able to build institutions, he will not only have equalled Awo but you will agree with me in due course that he surpassed him. And I ad-libed your post too (see bolded )

Aaaaaahhhhhh! Jagaban! Bababababa ooooo! Olori oko bam bam! Ekun! Gbogbo Naija, owo e lowa! Chairman! One and only! Jaga jaga jagaban!

Wa gbo, wa pe, wa last.

ERCROSS:


he is the new obasanjo in the making

Yeah right!

Jagaban of Borgu kingdom

laudate:


How old are you? Lemme guess.....you were born in the 80s and failed to do your research on Awolowo?

That is why you are making this fake assertion, that is totally lacking in depth, analysis and intellectual rigour on this forum?

If you say so.

Tinubu has got to be the most influential politician ever in the history of Nigeria. I doff my hat.

naijababe:


I disagree, we may not feel his impact directly but his decision making and the ability to put square pegs in square holes is what will deliver his impact. If he works with men who see beyond themselves and are able to build institutions, he will not only have equalled Awo but you will agree with me in due course that he surpassed him. And I ad-libed your post too (see bolded )

Right from the onset on this forum....I've always maintained that his brand of politics will yied better result politically than Baba brand.....

However, for us to effectively judge, I will awaits the next 4 years of his party.....the dividend his party brings to the yoruba race will help me to give the final verdict....but presently I rate baba ahead of him in term of service delivery to the people......that is my opinion.

ilugunboy:


Right from the onset on this forum....I've always maintained that his brand of politics will yied better result politically than Baba brand.....

However, for us to effectively judge, I will awaits the next 4 years of his party.....the dividend his party brings to the yoruba race will help me to give the final verdict....but presently I rate baba ahead of him in term of service delivery to the people......that is my opinion.

Now you are talking. Ile sese mo ni, adura k'ale san wa l'oku ka ma gba

naijababe:


I disagree, we may not feel his impact directly but his decision making and the ability to put square pegs in square holes is what will deliver his impact. If he works with men who see beyond themselves and are able to build institutions, he will not only have equalled Awo but you will agree with me in due course that he surpassed him. And I ad-libed your post too (see bolded )

Many have not really read about the 60s, 70s and the 80s. Tinubu is not any where near the mark of excellence that typified Awo's exemplary leadership. They operated in totally different era and both seem to have taken the best decisions appropriate for each era.

I never really took to ojuyobo (i see that name from his first tenure as gov has been dropped ) but I cant discountenance his political astuteness. The man has foresight and understands politics inside out.

Tinubu will never have the impact awo had and still has on Yoruba people as awo's impact transcends politics but Nigerian politics will never forget him. He knew the power of political compromise. An attribute awo terribly lacked.

My only problem with gmb's victory is that opposition politics is dead in Nigeria. Those gifted in it have been pushed to the centre.

naijababe:


I disagree, we may not feel his impact directly but his decision making and the ability to put square pegs in square holes is what will deliver his impact. If he works with men who see beyond themselves and are able to build institutions, he will not only have equalled Awo but you will agree with me in due course that he surpassed him. And I ad-libed your post too (see bolded )

Yeah, the ability to put square pegs in square holes using nepotism and foisting his cronies on others, irrespective of their wishes.

Awolowo provided free education at all levels; Tinubu and his men increased fees at tertiary education level until students in LASU and OOU were forced to demonstrate on the streets, in order to get the decision reversed.

All manner of taxes designed to impoverish the masses are charged in states controlled by the APC, and those taxes are not chanelled to programmes that benefit the people, but into private pockets (especially Jagaban's own), in order to further satisfy his greed. Ever heard of Alpha Beta Consultants?

Awolowo constructed roads that stood the test of time, implemented free education, free health care for his citizens, etc;. Did Tinubu and his men implement such programmes, except on paper?

Most of the health care facilities in Lagos are heavily commercialised and almost as expensive as private hospitals. just look at LASU Teaching Hospital in Ikeja where Tinubu's cousin holds sway in one of the most critical healthcare facilities, for example. The only thing that is free in Lagos hospitals is registration. You pay heavily through the nose for everything else i.e. drugs, X-rays, blood, surgical materials, operations, dressing, bed space, food etc.

So when it comes to service to the people and meeting their needs, in what specific area is Jagaban better than Awolowo, please?

In the area of chicanery??

Liegeria:


Many have not really read about the 60s, 70s and the 80s. Tinubu is not any where near the mark of excellence that typified Awo's exemplary leadership. They operated totally in different era and both seem to have taken the best decisions appropriate for each era.

I endorse this message...and I think the euphoria got the best of her.

I still don't know how anyone can surpass the one who laid the foundation, and created the ideology everyone else built on. Even when you look at the two eras, you can't compare the two. And both never ruled the country.

So, I honestly don't know the yardstick they used in arriving at the tangent that he has surpassed Awo. Heck, the North won the election, not the SW - SW just helped. This is just blasphemy.

George Washington Vs. Abraham Lincoln.

Some claim Supreme Team but they lied in his name

Great man, regardless - but stop the madness.

I'm out.

Liegeria:


Many have not really read about the 60s, 70s and the 80s. Tinubu is not any where near the mark of excellence that typified Awo's exemplary leadership. [b]They operated totally in different era [/b]and both seem to have taken the best decisions appropriate for each era.

Are you sure about that? Fani Power, Adedibu, Meredith Adisa Akinloye, Richard Akinjide, Omoboriowo...............were these not politicians from from those era and those are the ones I can remember now. SW Nigeria have always played their politics differently, abi when was operation wetie again or those pesky Ondo folks that went on a burning rampage did that when?

The politics have always been the same, just because some of our past leaders did not con on does not mean there's been changes.

theV0ice:
I never really took to ojuyobo (i see that name from his first tenure as gov has been dropped ) but I cant discountenance his politically astuteness. The man has foresight and understands politics inside out.

Tinubu will never have the impact awo had and still has on Yoruba people as awo's impact transcends politics but Nigerian politics will never forget him. He knew the power of political compromise. An attribute awo terribly lacked.

My only problem with gmb's victory is that opposition politics is dead in Nigeria. Those gifted in it have been pushed to the centre.

Bolded! Thank you! Once you are lacking in that especially in Nigeria, you are a dead duck. I can see it is going to be one of those nights, I'm out.

Liegeria:


Many have not really read about the 60s, 70s and the 80s. Tinubu is not any where near the mark of excellence that typified Awo's exemplary leadership. They operated totally in different era and both seem to have taken the best decisions appropriate for each era.

Thank you, o jare! You hit the nail on the head.

Let us hope the indomie & google generation on Jagaban's payroll, will rise up from their intellectual slumber to do the research...!

laudate:


Yeah, the ability to put square pegs in square holes using nepotism and foisting his cronies on others, irrespective of their wishes.

Awolowo provided free education at all levels; Tinubu and his men increased fees at tertiary education level until students in LASU and OOU were forced to demonstrate on the streets, in order to get the decision reversed.

All manner of taxes designed to impoverish the masses are charged in states controlled by the APC, and those taxes are not chanelled to programmes that benefit the people, but into private pockets (especially Jagaban's own), in order to further satisfy his greed. Ever heard of Alpha Beta Consultants?

Awolowo constructed roads that stood the test of time, implemented free education, free health care for his citizens, etc;.

Most of the health care facilities in Lagos are heavily commercialised and almost as expensive as private hospitals. just look at LASU Teaching Hospital in Ikeja where Tinubu's cousin holds sway in one of the most critical healthcare facilities, for example. The only thing that is free in Lagos hospitals is registration. You pay heavily through the nose for everything else i.e. drugs, X-rays, blood, surgical materials, operations, dressing, bed space, food etc.

So when it comes to service to the people and meeting their needs, in what specific area is Jagaban better than Awolowo, please?

In the area of chicanery??

Alpha Beta of course! That always come to the fore, Tinubu must have a third of Nigerian states in his pockets

http://www.alpha-beta.net/clients.htm

ilugunboy:


I don't think.....he just played a different kind of politics.....a very pragmatic type of politics. The politics that says "You don't need to like the face of a person before you work with such person for a mutually beneficial relationship ".....

He is a more pragmatic politician than Pa Awolowo....but not necessary a better leader.

Well that's my own opnion. I know many Yorubas will not agree but I think the yoruba race should rally round Tinubu. Though he is not appreciated by his own people but he has made the voice of the Yorubas very loud politically. Like you said, he is pragramatic, he studied awolowo mistakes and imbibe awolowo's strength. From a mere governor to a political giant, you have to respect the man.

Buhari is the winner, but jagaban is the architect, the strategist, the designer, the visionary, the man who saw tomorrow and believe. He is responsible for consolidating our democracy and returning power to the people. The day APC was formed was when I started respecting him, how he convinced the 5 PDP rebel governors to join him earned him my admiration and the way he convinced Obasanjo to quietly endorsed them, though he wanted more was an icing on the cake.

Tinubu has elevated himself to a political godfather. The president recognized that and tried to sway him away, if he had bulge that was the end for APC.

To me he is greater than awolowo.

Boss13:
He is greater than awolowo - my own opnion. In him lies the relevance of the yoruba race politically. The great strategist, a visionary, a wise one and foremost - a political godfather

I don't like him but I strongly admire and respect him. His actions forces you to respect him.

This sweet victory was made possible because of him

Greater than Awolowo? Nope! nowhere near!

But Jagaban is a much better politician than Awo! No doubt about that.

naijababe:


Bolded! Thank you! Once you are lacking in that especially in Nigeria, you are a dead duck. I can see it is going to be one of those nights, I'm out.

@ the bold

Boss13:


Well that's my own opnion. I know many Yorubas will not agree but I think the yoruba race should rally round Tinubu. Though he is not appreciated by his own people but he has made the voice of the Yorubas very loud politically. Like you said, he is pragramatic, he studied awolowo mistakes and imbibe awolowo's strength. From a mere governor to a political giant, you have to respect the man.

Buhari is the winner, but jagaban is the architect, the strategist, the designer, the visionary, the man who saw tomorrow and believe. He is responsible for consolidating our democracy and returning power to the people. The day APC was formed was when I started respecting him, how he convinced the 5 PDP rebel governors to join him earned him my admiration and the way he convinced Obasanjo to quietly endorsed them, though he wanted more was an icing on the cake.

Tinubu has elevated himself to a political godfather. The president recognized that and tried to sway him away, if he had bulge that was the end for APC.

To me he is greater than awolowo.

100% in agreement with all words you wrote.

ERCROSS:


The Indians will be in the best position to give a reply to ur question...
Jagaban is not a Yoruba word

jagaban is a nigrian name,but not a yoruba name

Boss13:


Well that's my own opnion. I know many Yorubas will not agree but I think the yoruba race should rally round Tinubu. Though he is not appreciated by his own people but he has made the voice of the Yorubas very loud politically. Like you said, he is pragramatic, he studied awolowo mistakes and imbibe awolowo's strength. From a mere governor to a political giant, you have to respect the man.

Buhari is the winner, but jagaban is the architect, the strategist, the designer, the visionary, the man who saw tomorrow and believe. He is responsible for consolidating our democracy and returning power to the people. The day APC was formed was when I started respecting him, how he convinced the 5 PDP rebel governors to join him earned him my admiration and the way he convinced Obasanjo to quietly endorsed them, though he wanted more was an icing on the cake.

Tinubu has elevated himself to a political godfather. The president recognized that and tried to sway him away, if he had bulge that was the end for APC.

To me he is greater than awolowo.

Now what you described there is an astute politician and nothing more.
When u talk about Awolowo, there are paths he had tread that Tinubu can never ply.
What Awolowo is remembered for today is not political style, but his achievements and impact on individual and collective Yorubas.

theV0ice:
I never really took to ojuyobo (i see that name from his first tenure as gov has been dropped ) but I cant discountenance his politically astuteness. The man has foresight and understands politics inside out.

Tinubu will never have the impact awo had and still has on Yoruba people as awo's impact transcends politics but Nigerian politics will never forget him. He knew the power of political compromise. An attribute awo terribly lacked.

My only problem with gmb's victory is that opposition politics is dead in Nigeria. Those gifted in it have been pushed to the centre.

The bastion of opposition politics is the SW......another oppostion bloc will emerge in that zone....

ERCROSS:


he is the new obasanjo in the making

I don't know about this because he may not become a president of this country but will continue to make the Yoruba race relevant. Political leaders will no longer ignore the wishes of the Yoruba people and they know if they want to win the south west, jagaban is the man to meet. That is the mistake the Igbo people are making busy selling their conscience for a pot of gold.

Likewise I will keep insisting that he is greater than awolowo. Like it or not, he is the new face and leader of the Yoruba people; appreciate the man and make him more relevant.

DollyParton1:


Now what you described there is an astute politician and nothing more.
When u talk about Awolowo, there are paths he had tread that Tinubu can never ply.
What Awolowo is remembered for today is not political style, but his achievements and impact on individual and collective Yorubas.

Don't mind these clowns. This is what happens when you let outsiders define greatness to you, and the bane of the new generation of Yorubas. Rather than qualify the "greatness" in context, and make it a subjective one - by alluding to political greatness. They just threw "greatness" in the air, and are postulating nonsense to defend the blasphemous tripe.

The man hasn't even done anything of note for the Yorubas. And without Awolowo, those talking wouldn't even be educated today. Their parents would've ended up as farmers.

I abhor folks who are vacuous when it comes to history, and those who tend to ride in the moment.

Great politician, regardless - and Yorubas need to rally round him. But he's too greedy to be Awolowo.

Bring ya ar.se to the other thread.

Gotta admit, grudgingly, I admire him. This should have been Obasanjo.

Congrats Jags!

ilugunboy:


The bastion of opposition politics is the SW......another oppostion bloc will emerge in that zone....

I trust SW. If GMB fuccks up, it will be well treated.

Odua ma si igba fun......no time