9jacrip:


Loool!

I actually caught him and sent a correction his way.

Looool.

The silent civil war between Oyo/Ibadan and Ife folks on these sides is the biggest one since the Kiriji wars looool.

Billyonaire:


Oh no, you get me figured out wrongly. I am a Jonathanian. I only embraced PDP because of Jonathan and Jonathan alone. Without Jonathan, PDP is just another APC. We must not forget that APC as it is constituted is a toxic blend of ex-PDP+Tinubu&Buhari (A lethal concoction).

Oba is a Father of all Lagosians, and lost our respect when he chose to support one son against the other. Let's not forget that we are a Democracy, and NOT a Monarchy. The Oba is NOT a recognized office in the constitution. Do not also forget that as long as we are using the 1999 constitution (as ammended); any Nigerian is a citizen of any state he/she chooses to live in and has right to contest for office there as far as he performs his/her constitutional responsibility of paying taxes.

I am more Lagosian than most of you who have not even hired a single Nigerian, not even a fellow Yoruba person but are quick to say..."Lagos is yoruba land". Can you afford a plot of land in this Lagos ? If you can, then you have a stake, and you are a Lagosian with full rights of Lagosian and Nigerian, fullstop.

One of the back from the dead crew. He is still in crutches from APC's victories. Guy you be first class dunce. so because your own property in london , now makes you british. Abeg swim to your creek as fast as possible. ode gbaa

LAGrejectIBO:


Lmao...you are a badt dude!
Hey, you getting the DSS top job when BUHARI take oath!

Loooool.

The third eye sees all.

Billyonaire:

I am more Lagosian than most of you who have not even hired a single Nigerian, not even a fellow Yoruba person but are quick to say..."Lagos is yoruba land". Can you afford a plot of land in this Lagos ? If you can, then you have a stake, and you are a Lagosian with full rights of Lagosian and Nigerian, fullstop.

Using your definitions; I submit that the owner of Google Inc (Larry Page) is more Lagosian that you. Don't let your good fortune deceive you; for each house or land in Lagos you have, there are a hundred quiet Yorubas with 10 times more.

9jacrip:


3rd attempt at replying, I hope I don't lose this one too.

Summary:

Swahili, Hausa, Edo are not applied nor adopted to modern techs and sciences and they remain strong.

Firstly I would ask how do you know this? What is the basis of this claim?
I think it might have been better to single out one language rather than lump all three together that would make for a more logical debate since it seem to me that all three cannot be at the same level of Non application or strength. You omitted the other dimension which I mentioned i.e law and I assume that was not deliberate.Law and dispute resolution is at the heart of human existence and a very important theatre to test the utility of language.

I do not know what you mean by "STRONG" what seems strong to you might not be to me .For me the ultimate test of a language is its utility and utilization. Edo is NOT the Lingua franca in Benin its ancestral home that is not a measure of strength in my book. I definitely do not accept your claim about Hausa and Swahili and it is for you to buttress that claim.

Anyhow the strength of a language is quite a different phenomenon from people for example Many speak English who are not English. eg in the UK the Welsh Irish and Scots speak English but hardly their own ancestral tongue anymore and that is exactly what I am saying has occurred in much of what we now wish to call Yorubaland. Is Scotland England? Is America England? Are the people English The fact that Ekiti people speak a kind of Yoruba today does not mean they did not speak something else before and have that beaten out of them by the Oyo

logica:
You don't see the irony in there, do you?

You chose to lie on the ground to greet your parents, good for you. I chose to stand tall and tell them "good morning", you chose to worship an Oba, good for you, but I chose to lower my head and shake his hand with both of my hands, while he pats me on the back and say "May our forefathers be with you". But from the moment jackie chan acted a movie in which he bent down to greet an elder then the Elder gave him technical knock-out, I have become more careful in our worrisome pattern of greetings. Your Oba of Lagos, is Lord to the Yorubas, but Lagos is less Yoruba and more cosmopolitan. So therefore, the Oba LilWayne is Oba for Yoruba Lagosians. I do not recognize him one bit. The person I recognize is Fashola, the governor, and will also recognize Ambode from May 29. Oba is lord of Yoruba Lagosians, I am Niger Delta Lagosian, so he is a no body to me. Thanks.

SirShymexx:


Looool.

The silent civil war between Oyo/Ibadan and Ife folks on these sides is the biggest one since the Kiriji wars looool.

The ife people do not know that Ibadans used to send the Modakekes to chase them to the bush, it has happened like three times in the past. We can not lower ourselves to dealing with the Ifes directly, in Yorubaland, the Ijebus were our equals, the Alaafin the paramount ruler, ask yourself why the Fulanis were more concerned about Oyo than Ife, heck, it was the Ibadans that stopped them in Oshogbo and though the Baales of Ibadan were headstrong, they recognised the sovereignty of the Alaafin, even the British signed treaties with the Alaafin not the Ooni, Ife might be spiritual home but, where the King is, so is his palace, the Alaafin is the paramount ruler of Yoruba land, I will even have the Awujale before the Ooni.

Billyonaire:
Hahahahhaahaha, Now, I have touched some nerves. This is why I dislike communicating with women, cos they are just emotions personified. Your husband is obligated by your 'sweetness' to stop and listen to you. Not Billyonaire my dear. Go into the kitchen and get us something to munch woman. When men are talking you should pause and wait for us to invite you before jumping in. At least that's what African culture passed down. Oba is a man like me, so allow me to address him in plain languages. Thanks for respecting yourself by getting off this thread.

Who told you that you are a man? A real man does not base his arguments on avoiding facts by throwing tantrums based on sexist talk. The fact of the matter is you have lost all reasonable arguments when you decided to play that card. You first came on as a joker, now a sexist. Then now you are veering off into more despicable talk. How about you go and wash my car while people with the ability to think critically contribute to this discourse. I am not your Niger Delta slave woman that you can talk to like that. With your coins, you will be the one cooking in my kitchen in a hot pink and lime green uniform. Argue with your mates and stop mentioning me. I will also ignore you.

newacca:

Esu in this context is not satan. Esu is a deity in the Yoruba traditional religion, not the one described in your bible or Quran. Since those books were written in foreign language and the locals didn't find a matching name for it, and I guess cos Esu laamu himself was tricky and played pranks a lot, then he was attributed to be the devil.
Esu laalu, ogiri oko, olomi Nile fejewe, o also nile fimokimo bora. Esu mase mi oo. mase enikankan wa OOO. Ase!

That is Ogun.

Mynd44:

I did not say there are only 5 but the last I heard was there are 5..there might be more though

I know the Alaafin, Olubadan, Ooni are among.

Perhaps the Deji of Akure and Soun of Ogbomosho (not sure of the Soun though)

Brother... the Olubadan is traditionally not a king... he is a Baale
until recently when every town now decides to call their monarchs Oba.
The Olubadan doesnt even have a traditional crown... if you see any crown on his head... na tailor sow am .
Yorubaland has 16 real Obas.... Deji and Soun aint there.

Billyonaire:


Oh no, you get me figured out wrongly. I am a Jonathanian. I only embraced PDP because of Jonathan and Jonathan alone. Without Jonathan, PDP is just another APC. We must not forget that APC as it is constituted is a toxic blend of ex-PDP+Tinubu&Buhari (A lethal concoction).

Oba is a Father of all Lagosians, and lost our respect when he chose to support one son against the other. Let's not forget that we are a Democracy, and NOT a Monarchy. The Oba is NOT a recognized office in the constitution. Do not also forget that as long as we are using the 1999 constitution (as ammended); any Nigerian is a citizen of any state he/she chooses to live in and has right to contest for office there as far as he performs his/her constitutional responsibility of paying taxes.

I am more Lagosian than most of you who have not even hired a single Nigerian, not even a fellow Yoruba person but are quick to say..."Lagos is yoruba land". Can you afford a plot of land in this Lagos ? If you can, then you have a stake, and you are a Lagosian with full rights of Lagosian and Nigerian, fullstop.

So employing Yoruba people and/or owning a plot of land in Lagos gives your full rights of a Lagosian ( ) or rights of a nigerian "citizen"

Somebody wake me up ! Do you know the implications of what you have just said, would it have been so hard to stop and consider this crap you just wrote. This is not the U.S where employing or owning a reasonable amount of income + tax generating revenue give you a legal right to demand a "permit" and hence enjoy the rights of an american citizen within certain limits.

Nigeria operates based on jus sanguinis (rights by blood) because we own this land from time imemorial - we did not have to kill a bunch of red indians for it with the help of the british army. The rights of all Nigerians living in either parts of the country is backed by the constitution , however jus sanguinis is the most powerful form .

This is the reason the legislature pushed the 10 yr rule or if you are born. Brother , you dont need to own or employ anybody to envoke laws written in the Lagos constitution even the son of a shoemaker from Aba born and bred in Lagos can enjoy such rights. People like you should not be allowed to speak for the majority because you go dey jones.

SirShymexx:


Oh, thanks.

Eleko of Eko sounds more appropriate though.

That was the original title of the early Benin-origin rulers of Eko beginning with Ashipa/Asipa/Esikpa. During Akintoye & Kosoko time too.

Eleko wasn't considered the rank of an Oba as Alafin or Ooni for example under Benin influence until Dosunmu (called Docemo in British documents) signed over Lagos to the British.

Even in the 1922 Lagos crisis period, it was still mostly Eleko. Kosoko hated the British imperialist ambitions just like his kin, the Oba of Benin despised the British. It was more like a duke then. The Oba title was initially an elevation in name to be at par with other first class Obas.

Of course nobody would dispute the first class status of Lagos monarchy today and rightly so.

I know ethnic jingoists will soon descend claiming Oba of Lagos was first son of Ododuwa.

Luckily HRH Oba Oyekan was honest enough about the origin of Lagos monarchy when he was alive. His son was my classmate.

pendicle:


Those were upgraded baales for political and other sentimental reasons.

Some of those you called first class are even not obas or baales there are first class graded chiefs in Lagos having same status like an Oba in lagos it is just to recognize them

There are about 4 first class graded chiefs in my town though they are not obas or baales so you need to understand the grading system.

The Deputy Chairman of Lagos council of Obas is only rotated amongst the other 3 obas or kings the OLOWO EKO is the permanent chairman.

The law of Lagos state recognises them as first class Obas and chiefs and that is what really matters. Beside, the Lagos state Council of obas has 4 vice chairman and I think it is rotational. The olu of ikeja and the Alara of Ilara have both served as vice chairman before (not sure if they are no longer serving in that capacity presently) and they are both not on your list.

hercules07:


The ife people do not know that Ibadans used to send the Modakekes to chase them to the bush, it has happened like three times in the past. We can not lower ourselves to dealing with the Ifes directly, in Yorubaland, the Ijebus were our equals, the Alaafin the paramount ruler, ask yourself why the Fulanis were more concerned about Oyo than Ife, heck, it was the Ibadans that stopped them in Oshogbo and though the Baales of Ibadan were headstrong, they recognised the sovereignty of the Alaafin, even the British signed treaties with the Alaafin not the Ooni, Ife might be spiritual home but, where the King is, so is his palace, the Alaafin is the paramount ruler of Yoruba land, I will even have the Awujale before the Ooni.

No he is ruler of Oyo Land be corrected his suzerainty is not over Egba or Ijebu or Ekiti or Lagos. What makes him Paramount ruler of Yoruba.

What do you mean by Fulani concern with Oyo what are you referring to?

9jacrip:


That is Ogun.

That's true

hercules07:


The ife people do not know that Ibadans used to send the Modakekes to chase them to the bush, it has happened like three times in the past. We can not lower ourselves to dealing with the Ifes directly, in Yorubaland, the Ijebus were our equals, the Alaafin the paramount ruler, ask yourself why the Fulanis were more concerned about Oyo than Ife, heck, it was the Ibadans that stopped them in Oshogbo and though the Baales of Ibadan were headstrong, they recognised the sovereignty of the Alaafin, even the British signed treaties with the Alaafin not the Ooni, Ife might be spiritual home but, where the King is, so is his palace, the Alaafin is the paramount ruler of Yoruba land, I will even have the Awujale before the Ooni.

Your history is prejudiced, you sound like Modakeke (though many of them are very liberal when it comes to the war debate)

Ibadan was founded by Ife man, Lagelu. Research it.

Post Lagelu period, Ibadan still had a recognisable size of Ife warriors who settled there.

Ibadan never sent charms to Modakeke, towns that emerged after collapse of Oyo did since Modakeke are Oyo. They still send charms, guns and mercenaries til now whenever the need arises.

Ife never had an army as it was never to be attacked. One of the reasons Ijebu looked out for Ife on a number of occassions.

Conquering Ife would not have meant much to Ilorin army since the seat of military was in Oyo. Who would leave the military to attack a defenseless spiritual city?

Anyways, the seat of military was conquered and Yoruba land dipped into chaos as expected till Ibadan army (conglomeration of warriors from all over Yoruba land) defeated the Ilorin army.

Who are you?

List of Obas of Lagos

Ado (1630–1669) (son of Ashipa/Esikpa)
Gabaro (1669–1704)
Akinsemoyin (1704–1749)
Eletu Kekere (1749)
Ologun Kutere / Ologunkutere / Ologunkuture (1749–1775)
Adele Ajosun (1775-1780)
Eshilokun / Esinlokun Ajan (1780–1819)
Idewu Ojulari (1819–1832)
Adele Ajosun (second term) (1832-1834)
Oluwole (1837-1841)
Akintoye or Akitoye (1841-1845)
Kosoko (1845–1851)
Akintoye or Akitoye (second term) (1851-1853)
Dosumu the Great (1853–1885)


Oyekan (1885–1900)
Esugbayi Eleko (1901-1925 & 1932)
Ibikunle Aki(n)toye (1925–1928)
Sanusi Olusi (1928–1931)
Falolu (1932–1949)
Adeniji Adele (1949–1964)
Adeyinka Oyekan II (1965–2003)
Oba Rilwan Akiolu (2003 till date

[quote
author=omonnakoda post=32679455] There is no such thing as
Yorubaland.Maybe people need to go back and restudy.Note I did not say
reread so called Yoruba history .One of the major objectors to the
formation of Egbe Omo Oduduwa did so on the grounds that,in his belief,
Not everyone is Omo Oduduwa.
We need to be clear about what is an Oyo narrative and then to
understand that there are alternatives less ubiquitous but equally
valid.Nigeria makes it necessary for us to identify as Yoruba but to say
we are Yoruba has about as much validity as trying to unite all Arabs
in one nation.
Oduduwa was probably Edo or even Kanuri and was able through his sons to
establish a dynasty but it was not all encompassing[/quote]oduduwa was a benin(edo)prince

baby124:

Who told you that you are a man? A real man does not base his arguments on avoiding facts by throwing tantrums based on sexist talk. The fact of the matter is you have lost all reasonable arguments when you decided to play that card. You first came on as a joker, now a sexist. Then now you are veering off into more despicable talk. How about you go and wash my car while people with the ability to think critically contribute to this discourse. I am not your Niger Delta slave woman that you can talk to like that. With your coins, you will be the one cooking in my kitchen in a hot pink and lime green uniform. Argue with your mates and stop mentioning me. I will also ignore you.

Hahahahahahaha, No doubts woman, I am always prepared to fire the cooks and adorn the apron to cook for a "Halley Berry", but are you qualified ? The answer is a big "NO". I do not think it is a good time to shove you down the bin, I will respect you as a lady and not jump into your emotional topsy-turvy. Respect the men, and move on with your "designer intelligence" which finds no better stage for display than in the "you know where".

SirShymexx:


Looool.

The silent civil war between Oyo/Ibadan and Ife folks on these sides is the biggest one since the Kiriji wars looool.

Loool
Struggle for superiority in order to undermine Ife is real.

seunmsg:



The law of Lagos state recognises them as first class Obas and chiefs and that is what really matters. Beside, the Lagos state Council of obas has 4 vice chairman and I think it is rotational. The olu of ikeja and the Alara of Ilara have both served as vice chairman before (not sure if they are no longer serving in that capacity presently) and they are both not on your list.

The Alara was named I think during the crisis between the two obas in Epe. The olu Epe has not ever been made vice chairman I erred but the Alara, there is leadership issues between the two obas in Epe so none is rated above the other.

Don't know if the olu of Ikeja was made vice, can't remember that.

baby124:
I
Don't push your luck. Niger-delta lagosian for where. You are Niger deltan, because when it is time to share oil money, you will forget that Lagos exists. Leave our traditional leaders for us. We know how to manage them. They are not going anywhere anytime soon. So get used to it. But truly, that Oba na gangster. Real one. He is a warrior type, which in truth may be needed for the present day Nigeria. Though most times he chops from all sides.

Please ignore Emeka, he will want to derail this wonderful thread. He is Ibo but have been denying, dont know why someone will deny his origin just to lay claim to Niger delta cos of Oil He will soon come back to tell you how he owns 20 mansions in Lagos and control the economy of Lagos. Abeg ignore him.

maclatunji:


#Mynd44 has a funny grasp of this topic.

The Oba of Lagos is the paramount ruler in Lagos by designation. However, he doesn't control what happens in the different divisions outside of Lagos Island. He will simply direct issues to the paramount ruler in that division if brought to him.

Go and meet the Olu of Ikeja for example if you bring Ikeja matter to him.

Thank you jare.

LoveDecay:


So employing Yoruba people and/or owning a plot of land in Lagos gives your full rights of a Lagosian ( ) or rights of a nigerian "citizen"

Somebody wake me up ! Do you know the implications of what you have just said, would it have been so hard to stop and consider this crap you just wrote. This is not the U.S where employing or owning a reasonable amount of income + tax generating revenue give you a legal right to demand a "permit" and hence enjoy the rights of an american citizen within certain limits.

Nigeria operates based on jus sanguinis (rights by blood) because we own this land from time imemorial - we did not have to kill a bunch of red indians for it with the help of the british army. The rights of all Nigerians living in either parts of the country is backed by the constitution , however jus sanguinis is the most powerful form .

This is the reason the legislature pushed the 10 yr rule or if you are born. Brother , you dont need to own or employ anybody to envoke laws written in the Lagos constitution even the son of a shoemaker from Aba born and bred in Lagos can enjoy such rights. People like you should not be allowed to speak for the majority because you go dey jones.

You sound pained. Get over it, we are talking. Its better to jaw-jaw than to war-war. Take it easy, so we can address this issue as 21st humans and not some neanderthals. Our constitution is borrowed from UK/US...Am I correct ? And in US, Category EB-5 Visa requirement is to invest from $500K in the US economy or hire at least 10 Americans...I do not expect you to know this but I do respect if you know.

Now, a dirty swampy Lagos, is better off than US/UK and if I have invested that amount of money and hired over that number of Nigerians resident in Lagos I can not contest for office of Governor ? Nigga grow up! Obama and Schwarzenegger comes to mind when I read from some of you.

In my part of Lagos, most developers are NOT yorubas, they erect these marvels here and there, and rent out to everyone including the Yorubas. You should be happy if anyone is even wasting his time to contest election and clean up the mess called Lagos. There are countries lobbying some of us to bring in Foreign Direct Investment, yet one silly skirt wearing local champion somewhere will stand up and vomit ...venomous statements because he is called Oba. That's absolute nonsense and that's the nonsense that's making Lagos backwards than Johannesburg.

SirShymexx:


Lol.

Who is actually from Ibadan? The Egbas used to own it, but they got kicked out by Ijebus and Ife. So, Ibadan has no real indigenes - it is a Yoruba commonwealth city, with all Yoruba subgroups.

And the King isn't a proper Yoruba king.

Stop gassing yourself looool.

Where is your proof?

enomakos:
oduduwa was a benin(edo)prince

How do you know?

SirShymexx:


What is difference between Eleko of Eko and Oba of Lagos?

the difference is the spelling sir

Eleko has 5 letters

Oba has 3 letters

Thank me later

omonnakoda:
No he is ruler of Oyo Land be corrected his suzerainty is not over Egba or Ijebu or Ekiti or Lagos. What makes him Paramount ruler of Yoruba.

What do you mean by Fulani concern with Oyo what are you referring to?

Oyo was the empire behemoth that subsumed all the other peoples.

The heart of the Oyo empire in Fulani hands would have established them as suzerain over 'Yorubaland'.

9jacrip:


Your history is prejudiced, you sound like Modakeke (though many of them are very liberal when it comes to the war debate)

Ibadan was founded by Ife man, Lagelu. Research it.

Post Lagelu period, Ibadan still had a recognisable size of Ife warriors who settled there.

Ibadan never sent charms to Modakeke, towns that emerged after collapse of Oyo did since Modakeke are Oyo. They still send charms, guns and mercenaries til now whenever the need arises.

Ife never had an army as it was never to be attacked. One of the reasons Ijebu looked out for Ife on a number of occassions.

Conquering Ife would not have meant much to Ilorin army since the seat of military was in Oyo. Who would leave the military to attack a defenseless spiritual city?

Anyways, the seat of military was conquered and Yoruba land dipped into chaos as expected till Ibadan army (conglomeration of warriors from all over Yoruba land) defeated the Ilorin army.

Who are you?

The Ijebus were not really Ife lovers, why should they be, they were more concerned about the sea than the hinterland, if Ife was that important, the Fulanis would have loved to overrun it. The seat of the King was in Oyo, the Alaafin was the paramount ruler of the Yorubas. Ibadan was founded by Ifes, Ijebus and Egbas, check out how many Ibadan people are Ijebus, the Ifes were kicked out because of their ways. I am an Ibadan man who knows that the Olubadan is not a first class king but we shit on the Ooni from a very great height. Awolowo was the one who promoted the Ooni by making Sir Adesoji Aderemi powerful.

Billyonaire:
You chose to lie on the ground to greet your parents, good for you. I chose to stand tall and tell them "good morning", you chose to worship an Oba, good for you, but I chose to lower my head and shake his hand with both of my hands, while he pats me on the back and say "May our forefathers be with you".

Right. That's what they refer to as lacking respect for the culture of your hosts. In stricter climes, your head would be relieved from your body (for the apparent weight might overburden your neck as I can infer from your posts) and paraded around town for such disrespect. Much as you crave, you have NO ownership over Lagos. You are a guest.

9jacrip:


Loool
Struggle for superiority in order to undermine Ife is real.

There is no reason to undermine Ife, this is history. I do not care a hoot for Ife, as I have more affinity for the Ijeshas and Oshogbo peeps than Ife. We recognise Ife as the spiritual home but they have not born the Ooni that will deny the Alaafin his dues, the Modakekes were always deployed .

reborn1:


You are absolutely right. The Ojoras, Onikoyis, Onirus, Aromire, Oluwas and even the Otos are just watching by the sides which is very bad.

My brother God bless you, you are absolutely right.... I am a member of the Ojora ruling family and just this week myself and my brother took my father and my uncle to task for failing to use their influence sufficiently on Fashola and his administration....

The traditional rulers in Lagos have failed to provide adequate checks and balances on the political class.... it is extremely disappointing