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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by netmillionaires(m): 10:34pm On Apr 13, 2015
ArodewilliamsT:


Oduduwa is from Edo. yorubas were named by the northerners. The word yoruba was a derogatory name used by northerners to refer to yorubas in old kwara a corruprion of "bayerabe' .Unlike Igbo which is original given to Igbo by themselves. It explains why you hear Igbo name their kids Igbokwe, Igboanugo, Igbogadi, Igbonacho but names like Oluyoruba, Adeyoruba do not exist.
O ma se o.

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by twosquare(m): 10:56pm On Apr 13, 2015
ArodewilliamsT:


Oduduwa is from Edo. yorubas were named by the northerners. The word yoruba was a derogatory name used by northerners to refer to yorubas in old kwara/northern yorubaland, a corruption of "bayerabe'. Unlike Igbo which is original given to Igbo by themselves. It explains why you hear Igbo name their kids Igbokwe, Igboanugo, Igbogadi, Igbonacho but names like Oluyoruba, Adeyoruba do not exist.
a primary two pupil won't yarn this gibberish you've put up here...SMH...the earlier you do pure research, the better...SirShymexx, I do wonder...it is only on NL you see guys talking based on sentiments and dem say+ fabricated lies. Making claims, pple just make claims they can't reference or back up with materials. Go to UK or the States, pple don't just make claims there, they do research before coming up with their findings

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by SirShymexx: 11:57pm On Apr 13, 2015
omonnakoda:
Ijebu did not have an army .They used mainly mercenaries . These were Hausa,Nupe Kemberi and slaves

This is the first time I'm hearing this. I know Ijebus never had an imperial army like Oyo cos there was no need to. But they had a most around the Kingdom and enough forces to protect the kingdom and the trade links via coast in Epe. And that subsequently extended all the way to Ibeju Lekki and Ikorodu.

Heck, I believe either Ibeju Lekki or Ikorodu (can't remember which one) was given to some explorers for trade in like the 16th century or so, by the Awujale.

I know Oyo had a lot of Hausa, Bariba, Nupe, and Fulani slaves who were part of its cavalry forces.
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by SirShymexx: 12:01am On Apr 14, 2015
9jacrip:


Apt.
Like you, I also want more discoveries to be made in that town. There is much more than what is recorded in the books.

Univeristies keep churning our historians amd none is grabbing the opportunity to break grounds in Ife history - myself inclusive cheesy

Trust me, brev.

Hopefully, this generation of Yorubas will embrace archaeology. We still have a lot to research and I believe the link is hburied somewhere beneath the earth surface in Ife.

That is the problem with African history in general - we don't have enough folks in the right fields.

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by yuio33: 12:12am On Apr 14, 2015
You young people are illiterate. 60 years ago thé title of ovie of ughelli was. Oba of ughelli. not ovie of ughelli. all of them started changing their in uhrobo to ovie. the correct title is oba of ughelli. Oba o ogbara
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by hercules07: 12:20am On Apr 14, 2015
SirShymexx:


Lol.

Don't let Ibadan folks hear that looool.

Most of them don't even know the warriors were a combined forces of all Yorubas, but mostly Oyo folks. Hence they always tout the military might. But the Egbas and Ekitis/Ijeshas held their own against them. Especially the Egbas despite fighting on a next front against Dahomey.

Egbas are warriors though. tongue

Ijebus held their own not the Egbas, infact, some of the battles were Ibadan warriors defending ijebu towns against Egba/Ijebu warriors.
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by tonychristopher: 12:26am On Apr 14, 2015
twosquare:
a primary two pupil won't yarn this gibberish you've put up here...SMH...the earlier you do pure research, the better...SirShymexx, I do wonder...it is only on NL you see guys talking based on sentiments and dem say+ fabricated lies. Making claims, pple just make claims they can't reference or back up with materials. Go to UK or the States, pple don't just make claims there, they do research before coming up with their findings

at the end u didn't refute his claims ..u just ranted

yoruba was coined by derogatory word by hausa ....Yoruba!




prove the submission wrong

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by superior1: 1:24am On Apr 14, 2015
tonychristopher:


at the end u didn't refute his claims ..u just ranted

yoruba was coined by derogatory word by hausa ....Yoruba!




prove the submission wrong

Why don't you prove the nonsense you wrote?, oh let me see, because the name Oluyoruba doesn't exist, right?, you need your head examined.

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 1:29am On Apr 14, 2015
hercules07:


The ife people do not know that Ibadans used to send the Modakekes to chase them to the bush, it has happened like three times in the past. We can not lower ourselves to dealing with the Ifes directly, in Yorubaland, the Ijebus were our equals, the Alaafin the paramount ruler, ask yourself why the Fulanis were more concerned about Oyo than Ife, heck, it was the Ibadans that stopped them in Oshogbo and though the Baales of Ibadan were headstrong, they recognised the sovereignty of the Alaafin, even the British signed treaties with the Alaafin not the Ooni, Ife might be spiritual home but, where the King is, so is his palace, the Alaafin is the paramount ruler of Yoruba land, I will even have the Awujale before the Ooni.

You are not different from Ibo's that call Lagos no mans land.

Modakekes were Oyo refugees in Ife. They migrated to Ife after the fall of oyo. Alot of town rejected them but ife had no choice than to welcome them since they were children of oduduwa. The treaty was later disregarded after the British realized the other obas kept mentioning another great king in the Yoruba hinterland.

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 1:34am On Apr 14, 2015
Nice thread.
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 1:45am On Apr 14, 2015
manck2:


where do you people get all this bullshiit from.. alafin was not the paramont rule of yorubaland. neither was ijebu, You people look like illiterate people.. What do they teach you people in school nowadays.

Dont you have parent.

Aare Musiwa....lol
grin grin grin

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 1:48am On Apr 14, 2015
9jacrip:


Apt.
Like you, I also want more discoveries to be made in that town. There is much more than what is recorded in the books.

Univeristies keep churning our historians amd none is grabbing the opportunity to break grounds in Ife history - myself inclusive cheesy
Ife is sitting on treasures and so many hidden Yoruba history.

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by twosquare(m): 3:27am On Apr 14, 2015
tonychristopher:


at the end u didn't refute his claims ..u just ranted

yoruba was coined by derogatory word by hausa ....Yoruba!




prove the submission wrong
consult Samuel Johnson's History of the Yorubas for a start...and stop bitching about everything concerning other tribes....savvy grin
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by kobonaire(m): 4:56am On Apr 14, 2015
Billyonaire:
This discussion is NOT for women. Can you invite your husband to come and discuss this issue with me ? Thanks for respecting yourself in advance. Oba Lil Wayne needs my reprimand. He is a mere mortal and cant do some shit I do.
baby124:

You this bare back and backward baboon with coins in his pocket. Kobonaire like you. Thunder that will fire you is doing press up. Gbe nu e soun, fake guy. Even my husband stops and thinks when I speak, you are now feeling like one local town crier because I managed to mention you.
O kare jare. Omo iya e.
Ok I know you guys are engaging in fast and furious e-warfare on NL but can you not mention my name .. I keep getting the mention alerts !!! grin grin

@baby124 Please chill ... Billy is actually a cool dude despite his obnoxious persona on NL cheesy
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by hercules07: 5:56am On Apr 14, 2015
saxywale:


You are not different from Ibo's that call Lagos no mans land.

Modakekes were Oyo refugees in Ife. They migrated to Ife after the fall of oyo. Alot of town rejected them but ife had no choice than to welcome them since they were children of oduduwa. The treaty was later disregarded after the British realized the other obas kept mentioning another great king in the Yoruba hinterland.

Yeah right, treaty was disregarded my behind. Modakekes were Oyo refugees but the Ooni that gave them refuge died and the one that took over became wicked and chose to drive them out, well, he got his behind handed to him.
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by femi4: 6:05am On Apr 14, 2015
ArodewilliamsT:


[s]Oduduwa is from Edo. yorubas were named by the northerners. The word yoruba was a derogatory name used by northerners to refer to yorubas in old kwara/northern yorubaland, a corruption of "bayerabe'. Unlike Igbo which is original given to Igbo by themselves. It explains why you hear Igbo name their kids Igbokwe, Igboanugo, Igbogadi, Igbonacho but names like Oluyoruba, Adeyoruba do not exist.[/s]
Absolute total rubbish

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by femi4: 6:12am On Apr 14, 2015
lastpage:



[size=18pt]Èsúgbàyí[/size] as in "The Devil Accepted this"!

Your Yoruba is "suspect"!
Abi you be Yiibo? grin

See Swagger for Yoruba land .....since time of Jesus! shocked shocked


Lastpage!
Thank you ....he got me confuse sef
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by sickko(m): 7:19am On Apr 14, 2015
Kabiyesi oooooooo,

Those are the real monarch then unlike this ones of now are days who does not know what tradition says before the became king.

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by DollyParton1(f): 7:46am On Apr 14, 2015
SirShymexx:


Lol.

Don't let Ibadan folks hear that looool.

Most of them don't even know the warriors were a combined forces of all Yorubas, but mostly Oyo folks. Hence they always tout the military might. But the Egbas and Ekitis/Ijeshas held their own against them. Especially the Egbas despite fighting on a next front against Dahomey.

Egbas are warriors though. tongue


Yea we are warriors!!! So don't cross me tongue tongue tongue
Amma whoop ur Ijebu arse tongue tongue tongue

Egbas were smart enough to accept anyone that comes to them for refuge. They increased their army and gathered varieties of ideas. And ultimately the great Olumo rock served as a very good hiding place.
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 8:18am On Apr 14, 2015
saxywale:


You are not different from Ibo's that call Lagos no mans land.

Modakekes were Oyo refugees in Ife. They migrated to Ife after the fall of oyo. Alot of town rejected them but ife had no choice than to welcome them since they were children of oduduwa. The treaty was later disregarded after the British realized the other obas kept mentioning another great king in the Yoruba hinterland.



True.

In addition to your post, the first wave of Modakeke settlers were Owu people whose town was destroyed and never to be rebuilt and followed by Oyo immigrants.

They sought to settle at Ipetumodu but Ifa stated they would become landlords and make their hosts tenants, the Ompetu told them to vacate but consulted with the Ooni of that period; Ifa said the same but because every Yoruba town has a right to Ife, there was no other choice than to have them settle.

When the brits stopped the Yoruba internecine wars, one of the conditions laid down was the evacuation of Modakeke from Ife.

They opted to move to Ilesa to be given land in any part of Ijesa land, the Ilesa refused completely and reminded them of how they have become landlords on another person's lands.

Then in droves they went to found towns such as ode omu, occupied gbongan etc all of them now corporate to attack Ife whenever war or skirmishes breaks out.

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Ilaje44(m): 8:20am On Apr 14, 2015
seunfly:

Oboy!!!!! That name go fear you ooooo, you will know he is real traditional man. Esugbayi = Adoration to Satan or Satan has respect.

Esun and Satan are two different things. If you know your traditions very well, Esu can never equate to Satan. While Satan is a diabolical figure, an ursurper, the worst thing you can attribute to Esu is deceit. Esu was never a completely diabolical figure as he's been/being depicted by the new religions.

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by tonychristopher: 8:39am On Apr 14, 2015
twosquare:
consult Samuel Johnson's History of the Yorubas for a start...and stop bitching about everything concerning other tribes....savvy grin

you said what he said is not right, why dont you refute him with facts instead of beating around the bush, what if i tell u i am too busy to consult one Johnson


as u can see you do not have facts
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 8:59am On Apr 14, 2015
hercules07:


Yeah right, treaty was disregarded my behind. Modakekes were Oyo refugees but the Ooni that gave them refuge died and the one that took over became wicked and chose to drive them out, well, he got his behind handed to him.

Wicked? No.
Looking out for the interest of hos people? Yes.
Did Ife have an army? No.
Did Modakeke have an army? The larger population of the migrabts were warriors in old Oyo.
Were the Modakeke forced to leave at a point? Yes.
An Ooni (I think Abewela) whose Mother was Oyo invited them to co-habit, an idea the Ife rejected. He was killed and his family line to the throne was banned from becoming Ooni ever again.
The conflict that erupted between 1997/8 to 2000/1 was fought to Ife's victory. Map was redrawn; many Ife lands were taken back and many farm lands used by Modakeke are now back with their original owners - all these and more make Modakeke sore right now and are itching for another face off. cheesy.

Despite your Oyo, Ode Omu, Gbongan and Oyo/Modakeke settlers in Ikire, Apomu and Ikoyi. Ife still recorded victory, the tide has changed, many Ife people are now involved and undeniable support from Ijesa tongue.

Tell your Alaafin to send his team again, we full ground.

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 9:03am On Apr 14, 2015
saxywale:

Ife is sitting on treasures and so many hidden Yoruba history.

True that.
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by macof(m): 9:05am On Apr 14, 2015
Mynd44:

What do you call a "First class king"? There are only 5 or so first class kings in Yorubaland and the Oba of Lagos is not even one
Surely there are over 12 first class obas..they used to be 16 but some like Olowu, onipopo and onisabe have dropped
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 9:13am On Apr 14, 2015
macof:

Surely there are over 12 first class obas..they used to be 16 but some like Olowu, onipopo and onisabe have dropped

How did they drop?
I'm curious.

Maybe Olowu because of the original Owu town getting sacked but upon migration to Owu Ipole, they took their crown with which is still in use.

The crown which was originally given by Oduduwa himself to Olowu and with Olowu being the son of the first child of Oduduwa makes Olowu office a first class. The egbon of every other king.

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by macof(m): 9:19am On Apr 14, 2015
SirShymexx:


Lol.

Don't let us derail the thread - but Oba of Lagos is still only the Oba of Lagos Island, or maybe Aworiland. I don't think he is the Oba of the whole state.

It is not a political title. You can't extend ya traditional title beyond ya jurisdiction.

Even in all Aworiland there are Obas that should be above Oba of Lagos...when did Oba Ado settle in Eko that his descendants should be taken above the landowners?

an Oba like Olotto, the sit of the founder of the Aworis is bigger than Oba of Lagos

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 9:21am On Apr 14, 2015
macof:


Even in all Aworiland there are Obas that should be above Oba of Lagos...when did Oba Ado settle in Eko that his descendants should be taken above the landowners?

an Oba like Olotto, the sit of the founder of the Aworis is bigger than Oba of Lagos


Fact!
This is how it should be.
I just tire for the arrangement.

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by macof(m): 10:13am On Apr 14, 2015
seunfly:

For instance Deji of Akure in not bigger than Osamawe of ondo but since akure in the capital and Deji is the king of Akure, his throne overshadow the king of ondo town.

Who told you Deji and Osemawe are mates? Deji is a Leopard in that region of Yorubaland...and it's not about modern development but hundreds of years history

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by macof(m): 10:25am On Apr 14, 2015
Hanibal:
Guy be humble enough to learn from that man you quoted.
Thats some true history lessons there.
The Alaafin is the paramount ruler of yoruba land... Egba.. ijebu ijesha Ekiti etc etc.
As for ur question... d answer is long ane im too lazy to type.
Im sure the guy u quoted will answer you.

undecided who granted the Alaafin rulership over other Obas?
Ijebu wasn't under Oyo and nt all of Ekiti was either...I don't know about Ijesa
Anyway Oyo is no longer an empire, all Obas to their jurisdiction

Even if u learn about Oranmiyan it's clear he was young and being pushed around a lot by his brothers...how can he be above Ajagunla Orangun who helped him fight off the Baribas? Or Ooni who sent him to Bini?
Or Awujale who didn't seem to mind other Yorubas imperial agendas

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Hanibal(m): 10:43am On Apr 14, 2015
macof:


undecided who granted the Alaafin rulership over other Obas?
Ijebu wasn't under Oyo and nt all of Ekiti was either...I don't know about Ijesa
Anyway Oyo is no longer an empire, all Obas to their jurisdiction

Even if u learn about Oranmiyan it's clear he was young and being pushed around a lot by his brothers...how can he be above Ajagunla Orangun who helped him fight off the Baribas? Or Ooni who sent him to Bini?
Or Awujale who didn't seem to mind other Yorubas imperial agendas
when Oyo was an empire, all of yoruba land was under the Alaafin.
including the Ijebus although they were rebels.... It was the rebellion of the Ekitis and Ijeshas that led to the famous Kiriji war.
As for Oranmiyan... he ruled in Oyo Ajaka... not in the present day Oyo ile.
Oranmiyan was long dead before Oyo became an empire.
Okay... maybe U will agree with me if I said Alaafin "was once" the paramount ruler of yoruba land.
cant go into the historical detail of the Ibaribas... too lazy to type sorry.
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by macof(m): 11:00am On Apr 14, 2015
saxywale:

Ife is sitting on treasures and so many hidden Yoruba history.
Honestly the Osun state government should do something about this
Ile-Ife has so much hidden history in arts and possible fossils waiting to be excavated

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