and i no longer hear you making noise about no macbook in the world can compete with your tuna can, is that a fake point too??

my earlier config was 16gb as well,
i said use the config i selected and tell me what figures you run.
the max spec for the lenovo is over $3,000

Fulaman198:


What specs are being toned down. The Macbook Pro 15" does not come with 32gb of RAM so I didn't configure it with such.

bizzle2:
my earlier config was 16gb as well,
i said use the config i selected and tell me what figures you run.
the max spec for the lenovo is over $3,000

Ok I don't see the issue, I'm using 16gb of RAM.

the site obviously has challenges updating the added specs.
expand each category and manually add the extra cost of the upgrdes to the base cost and see what figures you arrive at

Fulaman198:


Ok I don't see the issue, I'm using 16gb of RAM.

with 32gb ram and 16gb ram, both configs cost over $3000
Tell ma again how expensive macbook pros are

selected upgrades are
512SSD
max processor
max display quality
Nvidia quadro k2100m 2G graphics

and look at the ridiculous price point

You have only provided proof of lack of attention to detail, are my assertions wrong or right? or did i open a new website ?

Fulaman198:


I have provided proof, you have been providing fake links in regards to Lenovo just to fake a point. Nice try though.

Fulaman198:


Everything you have stated is opinion and not technological fact....

It is the best for you....It does not mean it is the best for the next person/man/woman.

Best trackpads in the business sounds extremely fanboyish. Have you used all the trackpads in the computing world to justify that statement? Again another opinion and not scientific fact.

Do Macbook Pros have nice displays? They most certainly do. Do they have nice trackpads? The most certainly do. Are they best? No, they are not the best in the display category. I can't speak on behalf of trackpads since I personally detest trackpads, but then again to each their own.

My Lenovo 3K IPS display on my Thinkpad W541 is 400 nits, and the Color gamut is about 95-99% accurate. I would say that's on par if not better than Apple Macbook Pro's 15 inch display.

In regards to customer service/support, have you personally experienced each manufacturer's customer support/service?

If you knew my background, you wouldnt have written most of what you wrote up there...

Fanboyish?? are u kidding me?? WHat do i have to gain from being a fanboy??

Ask any seasoned windows IT guy who owns the best trackpads in the business and listen carefully for their response. The fact that you know

nothing about that, doesnt mean that i made shit up.

Your IPS display and the retina display are in the same category. It all boils down to software tweaking. ie calibration.

You ask me if i have experienced dealing with CS of windows manufacturers?? do i sound like a kid to you or something??

So i work in IT, i have opportunities to deal with these so call manufacturers. Name it, acer, HP, Fujitsu, Lenovo etc

The only one of those guys that comes close to Apples CS, is Lenovo....

I rest my case... Like you said, to each to his opinion...

moonraker:



If you knew my background, you wouldnt have written most of what you wrote up there...

Fanboyish?? are u kidding me?? WHat do i have to gain from being a fanboy??

Ask any seasoned windows IT guy who owns the best trackpads in the business and listen carefully for their response. The fact that you know

nothing about that, doesnt mean that i made shit up.

Your IPS display and the retina display are in the same category. It all boils down to software tweaking. ie calibration.

You ask me if i have experienced dealing with CS of windows manufacturers?? do i sound like a kid to you or something??

So i work in IT, i have opportunities to deal with these so call manufacturers. Name it, acer, HP, Fujitsu, Lenovo etc

The only one of those guys that comes close to Apples CS, is Lenovo....

I rest my case... Like you said, to each to his opinion...

Yeah Lenovo is Apples biggest competitor

Also, I'm done arguing in this thread. So sorry if I offended you. As aforementioned, we will like what we like.

Fulaman198:


If a Lenovo falls on a hard surface, don't be surprised if minimal damage if anything at all is done to it. The material is really top quality on the Thinkpad line. Very durable and sturdy computers.

Dude your Lenovo fanboyism is becoming annoying, the thinkpad line is made durable but please which other line is that strong(even the most recent ones aren't as sturdy sef if we're being honest). I even saw a thread where someone was looking for a gaming PC and you were mentioning those wack ass Y10's as if Lenovo's head is even in the "gaming" game. You probably used some wack ass HP PCs before and got a thinkpad and now think that Lenovo is the holy grail of PCs, sorry to burst your bubble but there are many good brands and good lines from the other top manufacturers. I say all this having used three thinkpads so yea I am not bashing Lenovo, just that your own is too much haba. Btw, a thinkpad can also fall and go bad just the same way a HP envy may fall and have no issues, drop your thinkpad on concrete from 7 feet and let's know na

Fulaman198:



No, you are just not very computer savvy

Apples Memory is soldered on. The Thinkpad Memory is not soldered on meaning you can buy memory from anywhere thus saving you some money. Also where are you getting that picture from? Another one of your dishonest tricks?

Again, I don't know why you keep posting mis-information.

I have to call you a liar on this one(coz you have called Bizzle2 a liar a good number of times), it's either that or you just don't have 20/20 vision. Look at your screenshot and compare it with his, do they look like the same laptop config His had a 512GB SSD, your PC has a measly 5400RPM hard drive and you're busy shouting powerhouse up and down, his had the W540 NVIDIA Quadro K2100M yours had the W540 NVIDIA Quadro K1100M, his had a 3k display, yours had 1080p, his had a 9cell 99Wh battery, you put yours with a 6 cell 56.16Wh battery. Please who is fooling who You then expanded tabs in each of your screenshots so we would not notice the parts where you were dialing down specs pele but my observational skills are on fleek.
But bruv if you even wanted to lie about price, you couldn't even fear God enough to not put a 5400RPM hard drive?

Fulaman198:


You were slayed by your own link

Now even a dumb ass motherfucker would not post such ungodly screenshots, every right thinking geek knows MacBooks have close to zero gaming capabilities so doing game frame rate comparisons is unreasonably dumb and then your second course of attack was the display in nits, you were now not respectable enough to compare a retina display MacBook Pro with a 3k display also funny how you did not post screenshots of the battery life comparison, hard drive speed comparison and overall performance comparison but simply cherry picked the parts that favored the Lenovo which are actually moot as that is not what MacBooks are for not to mention that in the graphics comparison, the MacBook is on par with every other PC on the list. You should learn to have the fear of God in whatever you do na, is it by force to win an argument? You're a network engineer so let's be honest PC specs really isn't your strong suit so I understand all this your mums posts even though I still give you your professional respect.

dazekid:


Now even a dumb ass motherfucker would not post such ungodly screenshots, every right thinking geek knows MacBooks have close to zero gaming capabilities so doing game frame rate comparisons is unreasonably dumb and then your second course of attack was the display in nits, you were now not respectable enough to compare a retina display MacBook Pro with a 3k display also funny how you did not post screenshots of the battery life comparison, hard drive speed comparison and overall performance comparison but simply cherry picked the parts that favored the Lenovo which are actually moot as that is not what MacBooks are for not to mention that in the graphics comparison, the MacBook is on par with every other PC on the list. You should learn to have the fear of God in whatever you do na, is it by force to win an argument? You're a network engineer so let's be honest PC specs really isn't your strong suit so I understand all this your mums posts even though I still give you your professional respect.

so please,in terms of specs,which laptop is the go to (please factor in the gaming aspect and professional power user)?

And where i can get it in Nigeria.

Thank you.

BeloHorizonte14:


so please,in terms of specs,which laptop is the go to (please factor in the gaming aspect and professional power user)?

And where i can get it in Nigeria.

Thank you.

The thing is there are actually a lot of good ones, Asus Republic of Gamers(ROG) line, Toshiba's Qosmio line, Dell's Alienware line, MSI's gaming line etc but the thing is most of these PCs don't come cheap and to get one that's a complete package makes it a lot harder. Personally I use a Toshiba Qosmio currently(it's actually for sale on nairaland at the moment) but have used a lot of Laptops over the years and one thing that I know as fact at this point is as long as you know what to look for in specs and know appropriate pricing and don't try to cheap out, you'd be good to go, although with this types of laptops, you also need to look into cooling.
You'd notice I mainly mentioned gaming PCs the reason is other than gaming PCs, you are pretty much looking at workstation grade PCs and that is a whole other story as far as pricing is concerned(not to mention that they are not the best at gaming).
Check those brands mentioned above and compare specs and prices and then make your purchase.
Goodluck.

dazekid:


Now even a dumb ass motherfucker would not post such ungodly screenshots, every right thinking geek knows MacBooks have close to zero gaming capabilities so doing game frame rate comparisons is unreasonably dumb and then your second course of attack was the display in nits, you were now not respectable enough to compare a retina display MacBook Pro with a 3k display also funny how you did not post screenshots of the battery life comparison, hard drive speed comparison and overall performance comparison but simply cherry picked the parts that favored the Lenovo which are actually moot as that is not what MacBooks are for not to mention that in the graphics comparison, the MacBook is on par with every other PC on the list. You should learn to have the fear of God in whatever you do na, is it by force to win an argument? You're a network engineer so let's be honest PC specs really isn't your strong suit so I understand all this your mums posts even though I still give you your professional respect.

Read kid because your argument is completely out of point and doesn't fit in this section.

dazekid:


The thing is there are actually a lot of good ones, Asus Republic of Gamers(ROG) line, Toshiba's Qosmio line, Dell's Alienware line, MSI's gaming line etc but the thing is most of these PCs don't come cheap and to get one that's a complete package makes it a lot harder. Personally I use a Toshiba Qosmio currently(it's actually for sale on nairaland at the moment) but have used a lot of Laptops over the years and one thing that I know as fact at this point is as long as you know what to look for in specs and know appropriate pricing and don't try to cheap out, you'd be good to go, although with this types of laptops, you also need to look into cooling.
You'd notice I mainly mentioned gaming PCs the reason is other than gaming PCs, you are pretty much looking at workstation grade PCs and that is a whole other story as far as pricing is concerned(not to mention that they are not the best at gaming).
Check those brands mentioned above and compare specs and prices and then make your purchase.
Goodluck.

i checked for the specs of both workstations and gaming laptops like Asus RoG series,dell precision series,alienware 17,Hp Zbook 17,Lenovo thinkpad W540S and W550S.

Except for the GPU cards(Nvidia/GeForce and Quadro/FireGL),both workstation and gaming laptops both have the same spec configuration interms of same core i7 4th generation processors,almost same RAM size; 16gb being the smallest.

My Question is,why then are workstations considered as poor in terms of gaming?
What are the similarities/differences in terms of functionality?


Thanks

BeloHorizonte14:
i checked for the specs of both workstations and gaming laptops like Asus RoG series,dell precision series,alienware 17,Hp Zbook 17,Lenovo thinkpad W540S and W550S.

Except for the GPU cards(Nvidia/GeForce and Quadro/FireGL),both workstation and gaming laptops both have the same spec configuration interms of same core i7 4th generation processors,almost same RAM size; 16gb being the smallest.

My Question is,why then are workstations considered as poor in terms of gaming?
What are the similarities/differences in terms of functionality?


Thanks

The diFf btw workstation and regular gaming laptops mainly due to the gpu quadro nvidia and firepro amd, workstation cards are built for handling apps like autodesk, solidworks and various cad software. While you may find that both cards are from dsame architecture the workstation cards have far better compute performance. E.g as an architect who is designing a building, you can calculate far more number of polygons where you must account for all polygons at any given time. Gaming card d opposite that's why you see games stutter or skip frames. Workstation cards have far better driver attention,Of course time his money for these professionals. Gaming cards might have a superior horsepower(single precision) quadro cards has the upper hand when it comes to double precision. GPU has moved from just calculating pixels to other computing task assisting the cpu. Since it has more computing power than the cpu but not as smart as the cpu Raytracing, debayering. Other scientifc feilds such as An engineer simulating and oil well, a medical researcher calculating protein cells, a financial analyst trying to predict what the buying trend of stocks would be in the next few hours. Called GPGPU(General processing graphical processing unit)In semiconductor we have what is called yield rate these workstation cards comes from platters with the best yield rate. In lane man terms ist grade.

JustCalMeDBoss:

The diFf btw workstation and regular gaming laptops mainly due to the gpu quadro nvidia and firepro amd, workstation cards are built for handling apps like autodesk, solidworks and various cad software. While you may find that both cards are from dsame architecture the workstation cards have far better compute performance. E.g as an architect who is designing a building, you can calculate far more number of polygons where you must account for all polygons at any given time. Gaming card d opposite that's why you see games stutter or skip frames. Workstation cards have far better driver attention,Of course time his money for these professionals. Gaming cards might have a superior horsepower(single precision) quadro cards has the upper hand when it comes to double precision. GPU has moved from just calculating pixels to other computing task assisting the cpu. Since it has more computing power than the cpu but not as smart as the cpu Raytracing, debayering. Other scientifc feilds such as An engineer simulating and oil well, a medical researcher calculating protein cells, a financial analyst trying to predict what the buying trend of stocks would be in the next few hours. Called GPGPU(General processing graphical processing unit)In semiconductor we have what is called yield rate these workstation cards comes from platters with the best yield rate. In lane man terms ist grade.

Great answer, you beat me to it. Though Quadro graphics can be used for some 3d gaming. I can play Battlefield 4 on high settings (lower resolution though). Though, I'm not really much of a gamer.

Here's a video of what Worksation laptops are used for:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG13u2enh0g

you get what you pay for:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDKmRNikC3E

BeloHorizonte14:
i checked for the specs of both workstations and gaming laptops like Asus RoG series,dell precision series,alienware 17,Hp Zbook 17,Lenovo thinkpad W540S and W550S.

Except for the GPU cards(Nvidia/GeForce and Quadro/FireGL),both workstation and gaming laptops both have the same spec configuration interms of same core i7 4th generation processors,almost same RAM size; 16gb being the smallest.

My Question is,why then are workstations considered as poor in terms of gaming?
What are the similarities/differences in terms of functionality?


Thanks

While it is true that workstation hardware and gaming hardware are essentially the same on the inside and share the same guts, workstation grade hardware is made to last longer and be of more durable materials, this logic also holds true for workstation vs gaming graphics, so whereas a workstation graphics card might not perform on the same level as a gaming graphics card, it is built to be a lot more durable with the added benefit of being properly optimized for professional software, so whereas a workstation graphics card may not be as good as a gaming graphics card in gaming, it would be a whole better at doing things like 3D modeling or video editing as you have well balanced performance whereas the performance may be more inconsistent with a gaming graphics card. You also get way better customer support so if you have any problem with something such as drivers, or adobe after effects not making use of your CUDA cores on the highest performance level, you can call up the card manufacturer(or other hardware manufacturer) and have your issues resolved very quickly as they know that you use their hardware(or software) for business and that it's failure to do work makes you lose money.
So essentially workstation graphics cards aren't as good for gaming because they are made to a certain extent to allow optimal(balanced out) performance across the board for the spec for softwares, gaming cards are made to drive as much or as little performance as possible depending on the spec for games which means that a workstation GPU would not work to get say 80fps where possible e.t.c. You can also do more research online as there are various reasons why the vary, main ones though are;
Price,
Software reliability,
Performance,
Throttling.
Support readiness,
Durability and
Workload.

dazekid:


While it is true that workstation hardware and gaming hardware are essentially the same on the inside and share the same guts, workstation grade hardware is made to last longer and be of more durable materials, this logic also holds true for workstation vs gaming graphics, so whereas a workstation graphics card might not perform on the same level as a gaming graphics card, it is built to be a lot more durable with the added benefit of being properly optimized for professional software, so whereas a workstation graphics card may not be as good as a gaming graphics card in gaming, it would be a whole better at doing things like 3D modeling or video editing as you have well balanced performance whereas the performance may be more inconsistent with a gaming graphics card. You also get way better customer support so if you have any problem with something such as drivers, or adobe after effects not making use of your CUDA cores on the highest performance level, you can call up the card manufacturer(or other hardware manufacturer) and have your issues resolved very quickly as they know that you use their hardware(or software) for business and that it's failure to do work makes you lose money.
So essentially workstation graphics cards aren't as good for gaming because they are made to a certain extent to allow optimal(balanced out) performance across the board for the spec for softwares, gaming cards are made to drive as much or as little performance as possible depending on the spec for games which means that a workstation GPU would not work to get say 80fps where possible e.t.c. You can also do more research online as there are various reasons why the vary, main ones though are;
Price,
Software reliability,
Performance,
Throttling.
Support readiness,
Durability and
Workload.

We agree here, no need for the profanity you were spewing earlier.

Fulaman198:


We agree here, no need for the profanity you were spewing earlier.

I apologize, I was a bit out it with some of my comments.

Apple products are priced the way they are because Apple has successfully sold the image of creating standout premium products even though the differentiation is not much. Factually though the image is backed by a good product experience all round however I would say in general terms you can get more bang for your buck if you take a similarly priced Windows laptop over a MacBook especially if you want to play games and you are in Nigeria.

Apple products thrive on being able to access the Apple ecosystem which includes their customer service. In Nigeria you are kind of isolated from the full Apple experience and while you certainly can enjoy your product know that people using Windows machines will do more than you with a MacBook. Typical example in my office a colleague of mine wanted to hook up his MacBook to our office printer, he couldn't because the driver installation process was not accessible. Another time we tried to access a webpage we were hosting on a local server but we couldn't on the MacBook meanwhile all the windows machines were accessing the same page. I am sure these are not major problems but if you encounter such limitations on a daily basis it can become frustrating. One other colleague said she regrets buying MacBook Air because of the limitations she keeps getting. Three other colleagues are happy with their macbooks though so it does depend.

If you are in Nigeria and you want to game on your mobile machine I won't advice getting a Mac. If productivity is all you'd need it for and mind you be ready for some sacrifices, by all means MacBooks are a great way to spend your money.

dazekid:


I apologize, I was a bit out it with some of my comments.

No worries, it happens to all of us.

everybody with an opposing view is a fanboy to fulaman198

moonraker:



If you knew my background, you wouldnt have written most of what you wrote up there...

Fanboyish?? are u kidding me?? WHat do i have to gain from being a fanboy??

Ask any seasoned windows IT guy who owns the best trackpads in the business and listen carefully for their response. The fact that you know

nothing about that, doesnt mean that i made shit up.

Your IPS display and the retina display are in the same category. It all boils down to software tweaking. ie calibration.

You ask me if i have experienced dealing with CS of windows manufacturers?? do i sound like a kid to you or something??

So i work in IT, i have opportunities to deal with these so call manufacturers. Name it, acer, HP, Fujitsu, Lenovo etc

The only one of those guys that comes close to Apples CS, is Lenovo....

I rest my case... Like you said, to each to his opinion...

Macbook airs are not really performance notebooks, they're more suited for people with relatively light computing needs

LordReed:
Apple products are priced the way they are because Apple has successfully sold the image of creating standout premium products even though the differentiation is not much. Factually though the image is backed by a good product experience all round however I would say in general terms you can get more bang for your buck if you take a similarly priced Windows laptop over a MacBook especially if you want to play games and you are in Nigeria.

Apple products thrive on being able to access the Apple ecosystem which includes their customer service. In Nigeria you are kind of isolated from the full Apple experience and while you certainly can enjoy your product know that people using Windows machines will do more than you with a MacBook. Typical example in my office a colleague of mine wanted to hook up his MacBook to our office printer, he couldn't because the driver installation process was not accessible. Another time we tried to access a webpage we were hosting on a local server but we couldn't on the MacBook meanwhile all the windows machines were accessing the same page. I am sure these are not major problems but if you encounter such limitations on a daily basis it can become frustrating. One other colleague said she regrets buying MacBook Air because of the limitations she keeps getting. Three other colleagues are happy with their macbooks though so it does depend.

If you are in Nigeria and you want to game on your mobile machine I won't advice getting a Mac. If productivity is all you'd need it for and mind you be ready for some sacrifices, by all means MacBooks are a great way to spend your money.

bizzle2:
Macbook airs are not really performance notebooks, they're more suited for people with relatively light computing needs

Did I mention that they were?

Fulaman198,
bizzle2,
moonraker.
JustCalMeDBoss,
dazekid,
and LordReed.
From a grateful heart,i say thank you guys so very much. Now i am better informed and improved upon. Thanks to you guys.

It is so refreshing reading through all your posts/contributions. What a privilege to have intelligent and knowledgeable guys like you grace computer section of Nairaland.
You guys are awesome.


With much Love and respect from BeloHorizonte14.

don't get me wrong, 'm inferring that as a probable reason for those "limitations" your friend kept experiencing

LordReed:


Did I mention that they were?

bizzle2:
don't get me wrong, 'm inferring that as a probable reason for those "limitations" your friend kept experiencing

Actually the colleague using the Air is not a power user. Things like bootcamp, installing printers and whatnot are not her forte. And mind she is invested in the Apple ecosystem, has an iPad mini and an iPhone5s.

LordReed:
Apple products are priced the way they are because Apple has successfully sold the image of creating standout premium products even though the differentiation is not much. Factually though the image is backed by a good product experience all round however I would say in general terms you can get more bang for your buck if you take a similarly priced Windows laptop over a MacBook especially if you want to play games and you are in Nigeria.

Apple products thrive on being able to access the Apple ecosystem which includes their customer service. In Nigeria you are kind of isolated from the full Apple experience and while you certainly can enjoy your product know that people using Windows machines will do more than you with a MacBook. Typical example in my office a colleague of mine wanted to hook up his MacBook to our office printer, he couldn't because the driver installation process was not accessible. Another time we tried to access a webpage we were hosting on a local server but we couldn't on the MacBook meanwhile all the windows machines were accessing the same page. I am sure these are not major problems but if you encounter such limitations on a daily basis it can become frustrating. One other colleague said she regrets buying MacBook Air because of the limitations she keeps getting. Three other colleagues are happy with their macbooks though so it does depend.

If you are in Nigeria and you want to game on your mobile machine I won't advice getting a Mac. If productivity is all you'd need it for and mind you be ready for some sacrifices, by all means MacBooks are a great way to spend your money.

Well said My Good lad....　At the end of the day, it will boil down to the desires of the consumer and what the consumer wants to achieve

while using such a machine.


Let me touch on the bolded.

It is technologically correct to say that one could get much better specs on a windows with same or even a lower budget. As a matter of fact,

Apple still uses outdated processors on its Pro line while the windows systems are advancing and improving spec wise. I dont even want to

believe that OSX Yosemite isnt optimized to use at least a quad core processor...


However, in order for you to really appreciate the Macbook pros and apple products on the whole, You will sometimes have to look way beyond

the specs. It is the combination of hardware and software to create a stress free experience that customers are paying for (The just work

mentality). A macbook out of box can be set up in 10mins give or take. (Windows 8 is improving in this department).


We can go on and on but it would just bring up more unanswered questions and problems like fragmentation etc....

so please guys,can i get a system with these specs;
Nvidia GTX 980
24/32gb RAM
core i7 4940MQ
15.6''/17.3''(i love big screen though)
Quadro 4K/5K(pixel should be above 1080p).

And where in Nigeria can i get it (tried Konga and Jumia; all i kept seeing online were Hp envy and Dell inspiron)?

Thanks