Lovesdaisied:
I am a bigot for showing that the SW and SE have more in common than not? Hmmm!

You haven't answer his question, beside Lagos is the headquarter of south west region same way Anambra is to southeast region,so if u are removing Lagos equaly remove Anambra.

Lovesdaisied:
I came across the below thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/2418994/ranking-nigerian-states-poverty-rates

And was amused by how quick people are to rejoice over what is presented to them, without thinking clearly about the stipulations.

The D***ck measuring contest between the SW and SE was even more amusing, when the truth is that....

SE and SW viritually have the same poverty rate!!!!!!

Let's go over the rates for each state, zooming into the SW and SE specifically. I have excluded border states of Kwara, Kogi and Delta (which are designated as North central and South South, and honestly do not deviate much from what we see in the list). I also excluded Lagos, which is a multicultural bed of different groups and not representative of the strength of each region.

Okay then:

SW
2. Osun 10.90%
4. Ekiti 12.90%
12. Ogun 26.10%
14. Ondo 27.90%
17. Oyo 29.40%


SE

3. Anambra 11.20%
6. Imo 19.80%
7. Abia 21.00%
15. Enugu 28.80%
21. Ebonyi 56.00%


My thoughts....

Osun is only marginally less poor than Anambra (11.2-10.9=.03% difference).

Other SE states and SW states occupy the top lists in equal succession. Look again folks!

The only exception to this is Ebonyi which has a poverty rate comparable to the North. Abysmal, but still....


If you take the simple average of all the states' poverty rate for each region but disregard their populations (which looks like what the OP did in his original thread) you would think that the SW is the least poor. This is just because of the drag that we see in Ebonyi.

HOWEVER.

A weighed average of all the states (taking into account their populations) is a better representative of the poverty rate for each region going by this list. Ebonyi is the least populated state in the SE. Discount Lagos which is a multicultural city and you will see that the SW and SE actually may have similar poverty rates.

I recalculated the poverty rate taking account the populations of all the states. I am basing this on the 2006 census as we don't have any other indicators to go by. If there are more recent numbers I am still certain that calculating the results would yield around the same conclusions.


The real calculations:

SW Population Poverty Rate Population in Poverty
2. Osun 3,423,535.00 10.90% 373,165.32
4. Ekiti 2,384,212.00 12.90% 307,563.35
12. Ogun 3,728,098.00 26.10% 973,033.58
14. Ondo 3,441,024.00 27.90% 960,045.70
17. Oyo 5,591,589.00 29.40% 1,643,927.17
Total 18,568,458.00 4,257,735.10
Poverty rate of SW (4,257,735/18,568,458) 23%

SE Population Poverty Rate Population in Poverty
3. Anambra 4,182,032.00 11.20% 468,387.58
6. Imo 3,934,899.00 19.80% 779,110.00
7. Abia 2,833,999.00 21.00% 595,139.79
15. Enugu 3,257,298.00 28.80% 938,101.82
21. Ebonyi 2,173,501.00 56.00% 1,217,160.56
16,381,729.00 3,997,899.76
Poverty rate of SE (3,997,900/16,381,729) 24%

Now....can these two regions finally shut da feck up and worry about the myriad of problems facing the entire country??

Needless when Biafrans are all gone back to Biafra land,, then we shall know the true statistics .

scholes0:
Wait a minute, last time I checked, there were 6 states in the South West, not 5.
I find it hard to decipher, if your analysis is a geopolitical one or a Ethnic/Tribal one.
What I see you analyzing up there is Yoruba vs Igbo, not SE vs SW

Who says Yorubas have to be the only people in the South-West? Yorubas are not the only people in the South-West (but they are still the majority there), Lagos is obviously South-Western.... Moreover, by excluding Lagos from the South-West, you are dismissing the entire wealth of all the Yorubas who live there .... under your cunning guise of "cosmopolitaness"

Thank u my brother, if lagos was located in the south east region whe would have been hearing a different thingg. Rubbish people

timilehing:
Respond perfectly to the reasons I gave above and prove me wrong

Being semi-nomadic may be a cultural thing and not necessarily attributable to poverty. There are millions of Chinese indigenes scattered across Sub-Saharan Africa even though Chinese people are definitely not poorer than the average black African.

As for who controls most of the cash in Nigeria, the central bank published an article mentioning that the following states control about 90% of Nigeria's cash:

Lagos
Abia
Anambra
Rivers
Kano
Ogun
FCT (Abuja)

See article Below:

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/05/lagos-6-other-states-control-90-of-cash-transactions-in-nigeria-cbn/

jcross19:
this one is coming from ondo man. See what you posted that really show that you educated illiterate, even even american leave their motherland for vietnam to reside , you are here spewing dust. All those cloths, shoes , bags and many things you have inside your room were bought from south east so wake up and travel. Journey is a part of education. What posted really show that you are sit stay in one place.

Errrm.... the difference actually being that Igbos don't travel for education, but to Hustle.....
An American in Vietnam is most probably living there very comfortably, as an expat , a stationed military personnel, or a simple tourist...
An Igbo man in Bangladesh or Papua New Guinea is doing what there exactly? ..... Igbos need to change their mentality of 'Anywhere else but home is good for me"

dayo23:
You haven't answer his question, beside Lagos is the headquarter of south west region same way Anambra is to southeast region,so if u are removing Lagos equaly remove Anambra.

Oyo is to SW what Anambra is to SE.

Lagos is a completely different animal.

Lovesdaisied:

Oyo is to SW what Anambra is to SE.
Lagos is a completely different animal.

Mckennedy:


Needless when Biafrans are all gone back to Biafra land,, then we shall know the true statistics .

Good analysis

If nigeria had remained an agricultural led economy like its early days, Ebonyi state would have produce the richest farmers in the east. The type of agro-allied industrustries there will be tremendous and diverse. Ebonyi state produces all types of crops you can think of. That land is very fertile that you dont need fertilizer to grow food. That state alone can produce enough food for the whole South East population and still have surplus for export. Its very sad that they are poor with so much potential.



Also they are the only state in southern nigeria that you can mine cooking salt and they have largest deposits. Sad

Lovesdaisied:


Oyo is to SW what Anambra is to SE.

Lagos is a completely different animal.

that a wrong analysis, I wasn't thought that way in my Economic's Class while university, you completely missed the point. Lagos is the head quarter of south west region. There is no way u will throw them off

scholes0:


Errrm.... the difference actually being that Igbos don't travel for education, but to Hustle.....
An American in Vietnam is most probably living there very comfortably, as an expat , a stationed military personnel, or a simple tourist...
An Igbo man in Bangladesh or Papua New Guinea is doing what there exactly? ..... Igbos need to change their mentality of 'Anywhere else but home is good for me"

that's I said you are educated illiterate!!!!! If you don't know even that boxer you wear now was made in southeast, that suitcase inside your room at the corner, the one use to pack all your cloths was made and bought from southeast. After lagos with respect no any southwest state that can withstand southeast states in terms of industrialisation. In southeast do you know how many places they coupling vehicles? Huh, motorcycles and.....well.

dayo23:
that a wrong analysis, I wasn't thought that way in my Economic's Class while university, you completely missed the point. Lagos is the head quarter of south west region. There is no way u will throw them off

Have it your way then! I think those that understand what I am driving at understand my point.

Lovesdaisied:


Yes, I will admit that my thread was created to address the tribal sh*tstorm prevalent in your other thread.

The SW has 6 states. Yes, I agree but you and I know that Lagos occupies a very peculiar position as a state with a HIGHLY diverse population (despite it being located in the SW region). As the former capital territory of the country for close to 100 years and home to significant migrant populations, one can't really discount the impact that it may have on any tribally motivated analysis of wealth and poverty across regions.

Including this in the SW numbers per this thread dismisses the significant number of Igbos who live there too.

The other "core" states that I included have a minority of non-Igbo (for SE) and non-Yoruba (for SW) there but that is besides the point. We know that there is a clear majority as far as ethnic composition in those states.

With that being said, I think that both sides of the coin can now see that that they are more similar than they think.

Your assumptions are dangerously flawed. What makes you think majority of immigrants in Lagos are not poor/add to their poverty rate?? Is there any proof the non-indigenes who are in Lagos only contribute to her wealth and not to her poverty??

This thread only came up for one think and one thing only- to soothe a battered ego.

jcross19:
that's I said you are educated illiterate!!!!! If you don't know even that boxer you wear now was made in southeast, that suitcase inside your room at the corner, the one use to pack all your cloths was made and bought from southeast. After lagos with respect no any southwest state that can withstand southeast states in terms of industrialisation. In southeast do you know how many places they coupling vehicles? Huh, motorcycles and.....well.

Listen to stewpid....
The Nigerian state with the highest number of industries is Lagos... by a long shot.
Not to mention that a good number of what Nigerians consume is imported....

If the SE was the part of Nigeria making what all Nigerians consume, why isn't it like Germany the export juggernaut by now? considering the fact that there are almost 180 million people in Nigeria, who utilize consumables in their daily lives...
Stewpid will always be stewpid.

omenka:
Your assumptions are dangerously flawed. What makes you think majority of immigrants in Lagos are not poor/add to their poverty rate?? Is there any proof the non-indigenes who are in Lagos only contribute to her wealth and not to her poverty??

This thread only came up for one think and one thing only- to soothe a battered ego.

It may also be the reverse that (as in the case with many industrialized nations such as the US) the immigrants may be better off than the natives on average. Even when the native elites presumably run things.

Or maybe the immigrants are just as wealthy as the natives.

It's a zero sum game arguing about the possibilities so I am treading a neutral path by excluding the state altogether.

Lovesdaisied:
I came across the below thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/2418994/ranking-nigerian-states-poverty-rates

And was amused by how quick people are to rejoice over what is presented to them, without thinking clearly about the stipulations.

oponu, which zone does lagos belong to

The D***ck measuring contest between the SW and SE was even more amusing, when the truth is that....

SE and SW viritually have the same poverty rate!!!!!!

Let's go over the rates for each state, zooming into the SW and SE specifically. I have excluded border states of Kwara, Kogi and Delta (which are designated as North central and South South, and honestly do not deviate much from what we see in the list). I also excluded Lagos, which is a multicultural bed of different groups and not representative of the strength of each region.

Okay then:

SW
2. Osun 10.90%
4. Ekiti 12.90%
12. Ogun 26.10%
14. Ondo 27.90%
17. Oyo 29.40%


SE

3. Anambra 11.20%
6. Imo 19.80%
7. Abia 21.00%
15. Enugu 28.80%
21. Ebonyi 56.00%


My thoughts....

Osun is only marginally less poor than Anambra (11.2-10.9=.03% difference).

Other SE states and SW states occupy the top lists in equal succession. Look again folks!

The only exception to this is Ebonyi which has a poverty rate comparable to the North. Abysmal, but still....


If you take the simple average of all the states' poverty rate for each region but disregard their populations (which looks like what the OP did in his original thread) you would think that the SW is the least poor. This is just because of the drag that we see in Ebonyi.

HOWEVER.

A weighed average of all the states (taking into account their populations) is a better representative of the poverty rate for each region going by this list. Ebonyi is the least populated state in the SE. Discount Lagos which is a multicultural city and you will see that the SW and SE actually may have similar poverty rates.

I recalculated the poverty rate taking account the populations of all the states. I am basing this on the 2006 census as we don't have any other indicators to go by. If there are more recent numbers I am still certain that calculating the results would yield around the same conclusions.


The real calculations:

SW Population Poverty Rate Population in Poverty
2. Osun 3,423,535.00 10.90% 373,165.32
4. Ekiti 2,384,212.00 12.90% 307,563.35
12. Ogun 3,728,098.00 26.10% 973,033.58
14. Ondo 3,441,024.00 27.90% 960,045.70
17. Oyo 5,591,589.00 29.40% 1,643,927.17
Total 18,568,458.00 4,257,735.10
Poverty rate of SW (4,257,735/18,568,458) 23%

SE Population Poverty Rate Population in Poverty
3. Anambra 4,182,032.00 11.20% 468,387.58
6. Imo 3,934,899.00 19.80% 779,110.00
7. Abia 2,833,999.00 21.00% 595,139.79
15. Enugu 3,257,298.00 28.80% 938,101.82
21. Ebonyi 2,173,501.00 56.00% 1,217,160.56
16,381,729.00 3,997,899.76
Poverty rate of SE (3,997,900/16,381,729) 24%

Now....can these two regions finally shut da feck up and worry about the myriad of problems facing the entire country??

Oponu, which Zone does lagos belong to? U sha want to kill ur landlord.... Anyway lagoon don open mouth to swallow u. (Mind lagos its on 8.5%)

oluspencer:



Oponu, which Zone does lagos belong to? U sha want to kill ur landlord.... Anyway lagoon don open mouth to swallow u. (Mind lagos its on 8.5%)

Okay. So it looks like Nigerians have a reading comprehension problem.

Not. Repeating. Myself. Again.

scholes0:


Listen to stewpid....
The Nigerian state with the highest number of industries is Lagos... by a long shot.
Not to mention that a good number of what Nigerians consume is imported....

If the SE was the part of Nigeria making what all Nigerians consume, why isn't it like Germany the export juggernaut by now? considering the fact that there are almost 180 million people in Nigeria, who utilize consumables in their daily lives...
Stewpid will always be stewpid.

this is a problem we have with people that use their finger to think instead of brain. Check my recent post I said exclude lagos with respect no any with southwest state that can withstand or compare to southeast state in terms of industrialisation. Am still saying that boxer you wear now,inner wear you put on,your shoes, and your suit case were all made and bought from southeast. Okay then why are they calling one goods igbo made which have they called yoruba made? Be sincere.

jcross19:
this is a problem we have with people that use their finger to think instead of brain. Check my recent post I said exclude lagos with respect no any with southwest state that can withstand or compare to southeast state in terms of industrialisation. Am still saying that boxer you wear now,inner wear you put on,your shoes, and your suit case were all made and bought from southeast. Okay then why are they calling one goods igbo made which have they called yoruba made? Be sincere.

This is how the production of consumer goods in Nigeria looks like at the moment.
30% Lagos/Ogun produced (in Massive sprawling industrial estates spanning both states)
55% Imported
15% = Rest of Nigeria.....

You are wasting my precious time.. Dumbo.

Lovesdaisied:



It may also be the reverse that (as in the case with many industrialized nations such as the US) the immigrants may be better off than the natives on average. Even when the native elites presumably run things.

It's a zero sum game arguing about the possibilities so I am treading a neutral path by excluding the state altogether.

Still doesn't add up. Are the states in the SE made up exclusively of natives?? Aren't there immigrants there?? If you wanna do stats, do it without bias so you can be taken seriously. The analysis you did is what I would call "Emotional Statistical Evaluation" and the margin of error in such can only be imagined.

If we were to play the "zero sum game", why don't we "assume" the sum of the economic activities of the immigrants is zero- meaning, their contribution to the wealth and poverty of Lagos is approximately equal, therefore leaving a net economic effect of "zero". This therefore means the economic indices of the state are nearly entirely due entirely to the activities of the indigenes.

I still insist your analysis has no basis in pure statistics.

scholes0:
Wait a minute, last time I checked, there were 6 states in the South West, not 5.
I find it hard to decipher, if your analysis is a geopolitical one or a Ethnic/Tribal one.
What I see you analyzing up there is Yoruba vs Igbo, not SE vs SW

Who says Yorubas have to be the only people in the South-West? Yorubas are not the only people in the South-West (but they are still the majority there), Lagos is obviously South-Western.... Moreover, by excluding Lagos from the South-West, you are dismissing the entire wealth of all the Yorubas who live there .... under your cunning guise of "cosmopolitaness"

Interesting point at bolded.

Is there a way the wealth of the Igbo population in Lagos can be analysed and then included in the general SEast index?

Because it will be insincere to suggest that Yoruba people are the only wealthy people in lagos or the yorubas were the only group accessed by the United Nations report.

FYI Am neither Igbo or Yoruba.

omenka:
Still doesn't add up. Are the states in the SE made up exclusively of natives?? Aren't there immigrants there?? If you wanna do stats, do it without bias so you can be taken seriously. The analysis you did is what I would call "Emotional Statistical Evaluation" and the margin of error in such can only be imagined.

If we were to play the "zero sum game", why don't we "assume" the sum of the economic activities of the immigrants is zero, meaning their contribution to the wealth and poverty of Lagos is approximately equal, therefore leaving a net effect of "zero". This therefore means the economic indices of the state are nearly entirely due entirely to the activities of the indigenes??

I still insist your analysis has no basis in pure statistics.

Lagos State and to an extent FCT are highly diverse with histories that hinge on their being federal capital territories. Lagos even more so by virtue of being Nigeria's capital for close to a century.

Try as you might, these peculiar reasons always make it a separate animal. As a matter of fact in the first republic, it was not counted as part of the Western region.

All states in Nigeria have a degree of migrant populations but Lagos is especially divergent.

I feel like I am repeating myself at this point.

HopeAtHand:


Interesting point at bolded.

Is there a way the wealth of the Igbo population in Lagos can be analysed and then included in the general SEast index?

Because it will be insincere to suggest that Yoruba people are the only wealthy people in lagos or the yorubas were the only group accessed by the United Nations report.

FYI Am neither Igbo or Yoruba.

There is no way to estimate the Yoruba/Other ethnicities proportion in Lagos.... except based on pure conjecture.
my guess would be 50% Yoruba (50% rest of Nigeria and Foreign Nationals)..... how the other 50% is distributed is another guess work.
Just pray that the Government includes Ethnicity data in our next population census... else, there is no point even conducting it.

Lovesdaisied:


Lagos State and to an extent FCT are highly diverse with histories that hinge on their being federal capital territories. Lagos even more so by virtue of being Nigeria's capital for close to a century.

Try as you might, these peculiar reasons always make it a separate animal. As a matter of fact in the first republic, it was not counted as part of the Western region.

All states in Nigeria have a degree of migrant populations but Lagos is especially divergent.

I feel like I am repeating myself at this point.

My grouse is that you are sitting somewhere and trying to shove some poorly juggled figures down people's throats. A respected body carried out a statistical analysis and you who's not administered a single questionnaire to that effect want people to take you more seriously.

Why don't you start by showing us demographic figures of Lagos and the SE states and factoring these verified figures into your analysis, then one would take you seriously.

Until then, this is just a pile of mumbo jumbo with no substance whatsoever.

You did this simply because your ego is bruised by the results of the evaluation.

scholes0:


This is how the production of consumer goods in Nigeria looks like at the moment.
30% Lagos/Ogun produced (in Massive sprawling industrial estates spanning both states)
55% Imported
15% = Rest of Nigeria.....

You are wasting my precious time.. Dumbo.

can you see yourself? The rate of beggers in your street and touts is alarming because of joblessness. If you like talk to till tomorrow the truth is glaring . What product that's coming from ondo state,osun states,oyo states,ekiti state,ogun states please kindly tell me.

jcross19:
can you see yourself? The rate of beggers in your street and touts is alarming because of joblessness. If you like talk to till tomorrow the truth is glaring . What product that's coming from ondo state,osun states,oyo states,ekiti state,ogun states please kindly tell me.

yes, the truth is GLARIG in the statistics..
Rubbish......

omenka:
[s]My grouse is that you are sitting somewhere and trying to shove some poorly juggled figures down people's throats. A respected body carried out a statistical analysis and you who's not administered a single questionnaire to that effect want people to take you more seriously.

Why don't you start by showing us demographic figures of Lagos and the SE states and factoring these verified figures into your analysis, then one would take you seriously.

Until then, this is just a pile of mumbo jumbo with no substance whatsoever.

You did this simply because your ego is bruised by the results of the evaluation.[/s]

Even a fool knows Lagos is the melting pot of all Nigerians and can't be referred to as a typical SW state.

scholes0:


yes, the truth is GLARIG in the statistics..
Rubbish......

can you see yourself. Mention one product you know then I will mention 10 for you is that not part of it. Everyday is busy in onitsha market buying and selling what? Do you know they are some bottle drinks and can drinks that are there and are not here?.

Rad1cal:


Even a fool knows Lagos is the melting pot of all Nigerians and can't be referred to as a typical SW state.

Arrant nonsense. When we hear of some horrendous robbery incident or some other barbaric crime in Lagos, it becomes a South West and Yoruba state. If it is positive news, it isn't a "typical south west state".

#Hypocrisy.

jcross19:
can you see yourself. Mention one product you know then I will mention 10 for you is that not part of it. Everyday is busy in onitsha market buying and selling what? Do you know they are some bottle drinks and can drinks that are there and are not here?.

lol... Pharmaceuticals, Beverages, Steel companies, Food processing, Cosmetics, Electronics, Cement and Construction, Stock Exchange, Media, Are all MAJORLY based in the SOUTH WEST.
The largest Cement producing region in all All of Africa, is for example, Ogun state.
The biggest non Oil investment ever in the history os Nigeria is also in Ogun
Etc.... Etc ....
And you are there talking about boxers production....
I pity you.

What are you on about?

The only statistical analysis vouched for by the respected body as per the original thread were the state by state numbers. These exact numbers are what I used in my analysis so I am not sure what you think I am angry with there

The regional/tribal bent that followed on that thread was based on the wrong arithmetical assumption: Real vs Weighted average in estimating poverty in each region....which by the way was calculated by a fellow nairaland member in that very thread, and which I discussed aptly here.

The only thing in contention is my exclusion of Lagos, an action that appropriately follows the ethnic slant that that thread had taken. Of course Lagos is in the SW! But when we are solely talking about ethnicity as it relates to poverty (again a Nairaland generated discussion) then all bets are off as far as Lagos is concerned.

I'm not sure about what is confusing.

omenka:
My grouse is that you are sitting somewhere and trying to shove some poorly juggled figures down people's throats. A respected body carried out a statistical analysis and you who's not administered a single questionnaire to that effect want people to take you more seriously.

Why don't you start by showing us demographic figures of Lagos and the SE states and factoring these verified figures into your analysis, then one would take you seriously.

Until then, this is just a pile of mumbo jumbo with no substance whatsoever.

You did this simply because your ego is bruised by the results of the evaluation.

scholes0:


There is no way to estimate the Yoruba/Other ethnicities proportion in Lagos.... except based on pure conjecture.
my guess would be 50% Yoruba (50% rest of Nigeria and Foreign Nationals)..... how the other 50% is distributed is another guess work.
Just pray that the Government includes Ethnicity data in our next population census... else, there is no point even conducting it.

That was why the Op decided that Lagos be set aside when comparing the SEast and SWest indices because including Lagos will amount to including Hausa, Igbo, Ibibio, et al into general Yoruba index.

The ethnicity thing should be included in next census..The FG is only being mischievous if it claims not to know that Nigeria is not France and ethnicity plays a major role in all spheres of our society.

It helps to get a more accurate breakdown of statistics.