omonnakoda:
Very churlish thing to say "drop our names" The reality is that many groups that call themselves Igbo today never did so before Nigeria was created to the question of ownership of language or names is silly. What about names like Peter and Paul and Marinus that Ibos use everywhere. We speak English and use it on this website does that make us English? This desire to bully and intimidate minorities should be eschewed. He said he is NOT IBO and that is the end of it

Ur IQ is top notch!!!! Kudos

kettykin:

The problem with some of you is that you have a very faint idea of what you argue most times ,most of the valiant biafran soldiers are from delta, Nzeogwu is delta, Joe Achuzia is delta, Raph Uwechue who was the president of ohaneze ndigbo was a deltan and a biafran.

Possibly the deltans you asked were afraid of rabid ethnic victimisation, tribalistic predatorship that has been used by less fortunate tribes to try to stop igbo progress.

Many people that were not Igbo identified with the biafrans cause for whatever personal reasons they saw fit. That does not mean they are Igbo.

It is like trying to argue with bukola Saraki that he is Yoruba, while the man sometimes identifies as different.

omonnakoda:
Very churlish thing to say "drop our names" The reality is that many groups that call themselves Igbo today never did so before Nigeria was created to the question of ownership of language or names is silly. What about names like Peter and Paul and Marinus that Ibos use everywhere. We speak English and use it on this website does that make us English? This desire to bully and intimidate minorities should be eschewed. He said he is NOT IBO and that is the end of it

There were Igbo groups but they were not under one umbrella as Igbo. The British created the Igbo tag just like they did others. So, I believe that you will have no problem if people from Ogun state say they are not Yorubas just because it's the British that created the tag anyways.

sweetgala:



Many people that were not Igbo identified with the biafrans cause for whatever personal reasons they saw fit. That does not mean they are Igbo.

It is like trying to argue with bukola Saraki that he is Yoruba, while the man sometimes identifies as different.

It is called Political expedience!

ezeagu:
Abeg, let's watch something more inspirational:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps4-UPHneeI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Ihs241zeg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCermULRk-I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ8Kpk2FPCc

Thanks so much for this, I almost missed out Chinedu Echeruo 's nice presentation

B69U:


It is called Political expedience!

Does he have to be Igbo, could he not be from another minority clan who have been influenced by Igbo culture but whom are not Igbo.

The biggest problems with Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa and Fulani is we fail to adequately acknowledge other ethnicities consistently trying to violently assimilate them

fr3do:
I will advise SEners insulting Aniomas who deny being Igbo, to exercise restraint.
Flinging insults at your Kinsmen will only be falling prey to divide and conquer tactics.

Let those denialers know that they claiming not to be Igbo has not helped them politically.

Dude you should let them be. Notice they are just ignoring you, an ika, and following in the tone of music with the yolobas and the rest of the tribalistic miscreant... One thing I've learned about SE igbos is they need validation of their hatred for anioma and love paying attention to those tribaliatic miscreants from sourhwaste therefore whenever they get one person that's validate their hatred, they drag all of us into it. Even nzeogwu, who is not even ika and was a proud igbo is not even being spared right now. They are acting like as if an ika denier is a surprise when it's a well known reality they are a divided group (no offense btw). Sunday saying he's not Igbo is the same way okowa said he is and both are from the same area. Just let them be. They've gotten their meals for today.

SE biko continue

sweetgala:



Many people that were not Igbo identified with the biafrans cause for whatever personal reasons they saw fit. That does not mean they are Igbo.

It is like trying to argue with bukola Saraki that he is Yoruba, while the man sometimes identifies as different.

If you make a little effort you would realise that Raph Uwechue was the president of ohaneze ndigbo nigeria, biafra was made up of Ijaw, ibibio, Efik but these are not igbos.

sweetgala:


Does he have to be Igbo, could he not be from another minority clan who have been influenced by Igbo culture but whom are not Igbo.

The biggest problems with Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa and Fulani is we fail to adequately acknowledge other ethnicities consistently trying to violently assimilate them

Ok, like the Americans speak English but are Americans or the Australians speak English but are Australian?


Did Oliseh tell u wat he is? I dont know your age so, i will not go further. (Meaning i will not call u names.)

omonnakoda:
Very churlish thing to say "drop our names" The reality is that many groups that call themselves Igbo today never did so before Nigeria was created to the question of ownership of language or names is silly. What about names like Peter and Paul and Marinus that Ibos use everywhere. We speak English and use it on this website does that make us English? This desire to bully and intimidate minorities should be eschewed. He said he is NOT IBO and that is the end of it

If Sunday chose not to be identified with his native language, it's exclusive to him, not an ancient phenomenon. There are families in Abavo that will frown at him for that. I still remember a family member of the then Biafran Chief of Naval staff, Late Admiral Anukwu from Abavo. She once championed the Igbo union where i reside.

This is just a personal opinion of Sunday.

Lalasticlala and Ishilove,kindly move this thread to Ethnic and racial section where it actually belongs.

Thanks!

B69U:


My brother that is correct. Wen i meet them and they say that they are igbo na argument done start be that, becos that word igbo is of value to me and i dont want any daft using it.


See as Sunday they drop heavy igbo names, proper old village igbo names, come round up with am not igbo.


If i sit down for chair there, he will not continue until he withdraws the igbo names.


I tell both Delta and Rivers people to their face that they are not igbo and should use their own names to avoid confusion.


Proudly Igbo!

My brother,its time we stop giving a mess about those guys.his younger bros name is Azubuike Olise and I wonder why their bini parents prefer Igbo names to their bini or wherever they claim to come from.

CHM11:

Like I said, if they say they are not igbos, that they are ika, you MUST respect them for who they say they are...you wouldn't force your tribe on them.

You can't cry of oppression and bondage in Nigeria yet you don't want minorities like these ones to be free...... I believe there is an english word starting with H for such character.

Nobody is a minority in his own land!
The ikas are a tribe in the matrix of the Igbo nation.. They're not minorities.. just like the enuani or ukwuani or even the aros or ukwas.they're are on the same pedestal, none is higher or lower than the other.
Minorities exist outside Igboland which means that every Igbo or Igbolike tribe is no minority

CHM11:

Ur IQ is top notch!!!! Kudos

Bkos he's a tribalist just like you!
Nansense!

Well, the real issue is not what Sunday Oliseh calls himself(I think he is in a best position to know who he is ) but what others perceive him to be. I think most non-Ika-speaking people would, on first instinct, call him Igbo. I have always thought He's Igbo but I can now see I was clearly wrong. I guess most Nigerians from the North, on first instinct, would categorize such names as Omatseye, Omatsola, Omawunmi, Omajuwa, Omagbemi, Oritsemeyiwa, Oritsemodupe, Oritsejafor, etc as Yoruba. It's only people from part of the South who understand the nuances that can actually differentiate and thus properly categorize the names as Itsekiri.

It's a bit difficult for me to call someone who bears Ogochukwu, something other than Igbo. Based on this stereotype, he would have benefited from being perceived to be Igbo but also suffered from similar perception in some circumstances. That may explain while some, who are not as bold as Sunday oliseh, present different faces to different people. When they thought their perceived Igboness would be helpful, they claimed Igbo. Otherwise, they claimed something different.

The real problem lies with people who treat them based on what they perceived them to be without giving them a chance to define themselves. Thus a man could be favored or punished for who he is not. That's the problem of double identity and part of Nigeria's complexities.

In this Small-Big intra-linguistic identity schism, the more successful the larger group becomes, the less the likelihood it claims the smaller one but paradoxically, the more the smaller one craves to be identified with the bigger group. The identity crisis is thus, in a way, a product of brand management. Since they can choose to be either A or B, it comes down to just one question: Do I gain or lose more by being seen as A or B?

cheruv:


Nobody is a minority in his own land!
The ikas are a tribe in the matrix of the Igbo nation.. They're not minorities.. just like the enuani or ukwuani or even the aros or ukwas.they're are on the same pedestal, none is higher or lower than the other.
Minorities exist outside Igboland which means that every Igbo or Igbolike tribe is no minority

Judging from the post, an Ika man has denied being called an igbo man so he can't be placed in the igbo nation is his people share his views. Best he will have his own nation called the IKA nation.
Just as the Urhobo nation is independent of the Benin nation even though they both share the same ancestral history.

Tell an Anambra man that an ika or Ukwani, or even a man from ebonyi is not minority to him.

Let's speak the truth here please...the real facts on ground are way deeper than what we can say online....Even among core igbo speaking states, there is discrimination, talk less of an igboid from Delta state.

cheruv:
Bkos he's a tribalist just like you! Nansense!

Why? Because we don't share your view makes us tribalists?
Hmmmmm,..Jeeeez......na wa oh....

cheruv:
Bkos he's a tribalist just like you! Nansense!

Why? Because we don't share your view makes us tribalists?
Hmmmmm,..Jeeeez......na wa oh....

Can someone listen to Chris Abani's presentation.
He said in time past that igbos made their gods, that they would come together in a square and build a god and make sacrifices to it but when the god becomes unruly by demanding human sacrifice then they would destroy the god by destroying the shrine and stop mentioning the name of the god.

Figuratively speaking Nigeria seems to be the god igbos came together to build and make sacrifices to which has become unruly and has started to demand human sacrifice and blood. Could it be why igbos have started to stop mentioning the name of Nigeria and are seeking destruction of Nigeria.

cheruv:
Bkos he's a tribalist just like you! Nansense!

Why? Because we don't share your view makes us tribalists?
Hmmmmm,..Jeeeez......na wa oh....

bayooooooo:
Well, the real issue is not what Sunday Oliseh calls himself(I think he is in a best position to know who he is ) but what others perceive him to be. I think most non-Ika-speaking people would, on first instinct, call him Igbo. I have always thought He's Igbo but I can now see I was clearly wrong. I guess most Nigerians from the North, on first instinct, would categorize such names as Omatseye, Omatsola, Omawunmi, Omajuwa, Omagbemi, Oritsemeyiwa, Oritsemodupe, Oritsejafor, etc as Yoruba. It's only people from part of the South who understand the nuances that can actually differentiate and thus properly categorize the names as Itsekiri.

It's a bit difficult for me to call someone who bears Ogochukwu, something other than Igbo. Based on this stereotype, he would have benefited from being perceived to be Igbo but also suffered from similar perception in some circumstances. That may explain while some, who are not as bold as Sunday oliseh, present different faces to different people. When they thought their perceived Igboness would be helpful, they claimed Igbo. Otherwise, they claimed something different.

The real problem lies with people who treat them based on what they perceived them to be without giving them a chance to define themselves. Thus a man could be favored or punished for who he is not. That's the problem of double identity and part of Nigeria's complexities.

In this Small-Big intra-linguistic identity schism, the more successful the larger group becomes, the less the likelihood it claims the smaller one but paradoxically, the more the smaller one craves to be identified with the bigger group. The identity crisis is thus, in a way, a product of brand management. Since they can choose to be either A or B, it comes down to just one question: Do I gain or lose more by being seen as A or B?

You nailed it.

Stolen:


Are u one of them? Spend all day on igbo thread talking with igbo people, answering igbo name and engaged in our culture but not igbo?


Are u mad?

the dude behind that monicker is demented to say the least.

He said he is not Igbo and so what?
So what happens if tomorow he says he is Igbo? Does that make him more important?
Cursing a group of pple b'cos of a silly statement of one BOY doesnt make SE Igbos trustworthy.

Many ika folks are proud of their Igbo heritage,many refuse being called Igbo while others are indifferent or just call themselves Ika. If they were in the same region with SE Igbo, am sure it would have gone a long way in resolving such identity crisis. Ezza pple in Ebonyi is one example of a group with outside Igbo influences like ika but they dont have identity crisis.

So long as dsunity in Igboland such as this and the weakening of ethnic groups will result in a more powerful federal govt in Nigeria, we will be seeing things like this. Igbo enemies will even begin to sponsor them.

Armaggedon:
He said he is not Igbo and so what?
So what happens if tomorow he says he is Igbo? Does that make him more important?
Cursing a group of pple b'cos of a silly statement of one BOY doesnt make SE Igbos trustworthy.
Many ika folks are proud of their Igbo heritage,many refuse being called Igbo while others are indifferent or just call themselves Ika. If they were in the same region with SE Igbo, am sure it would have gone a long way in resolving such identity crisis. Ezza pple in Ebonyi is one example of a group with outside Igbo influences like ika but they dont have identity crisis.
So long as dsunity in Igboland such as this and the weakening of ethnic groups will result in a more powerful federal govt in Nigeria, we will be seeing things like this. Igbo enemies will even begin to sponsor them.

onenaira3:


Dude you should let them be. Notice they are just ignoring you, an ika, and following in the tone of music with the yolobas and the rest of the tribalistic miscreant... One thing I've learned about SE igbos is they need validation of their hatred for anioma and love paying attention to those tribaliatic miscreants from sourhwaste therefore whenever they get one person that's validate their hatred, they drag all of us into it. Even nzeogwu, who is not even ika and was a proud igbo is not even being spared right now. They are acting like as if an ika denier is a surprise when it's a well known reality they are a divided group (no offense btw). Sunday saying he's not Igbo is the same way okowa said he is and both are from the same area. Just let them be. They've gotten their meals for today.

SE biko continue

Dee N1 ewela iwe
The only way to cure this confusion is to expedite the creation of Anioma state. That way,they'd stand alone and properly ID themselves. Am happy your people have the Anioma umbrella unlike those in Rivers so the only thing is to ensure that SE Igbo see more practical benefits in having Anioma state.
I as an ukwangwa love the Anioma.. that's why am going to start a pressure group that'd make Anioma the 6th state

bayooooooo:
Well, the real issue is not what Sunday Oliseh calls himself(I think he is in a best position to know who he is ) but what others perceive him to be. I think most non-Ika-speaking people would, on first instinct, call him Igbo. I have always thought He's Igbo but I can now see I was clearly wrong. I guess most Nigerians from the North, on first instinct, would categorize such names as Omatseye, Omatsola, Omawunmi, Omajuwa, Omagbemi, Oritsemeyiwa, Oritsemodupe, Oritsejafor, etc as Yoruba. It's only people from part of the South who understand the nuances that can actually differentiate and thus properly categorize the names as Itsekiri.

It's a bit difficult for me to call someone who bears Ogochukwu, something other than Igbo. Based on this stereotype, he would have benefited from being perceived to be Igbo but also suffered from similar perception in some circumstances. That may explain while some, who are not as bold as Sunday oliseh, present different faces to different people. When they thought their perceived Igboness would be helpful, they claimed Igbo. Otherwise, they claimed something different.

The real problem lies with people who treat them based on what they perceived them to be without giving them a chance to define themselves. Thus a man could be favored or punished for who he is not. That's the problem of double identity and part of Nigeria's complexities.

In this Small-Big intra-linguistic identity schism, the more successful the larger group becomes, the less the likelihood it claims the smaller one but paradoxically, the more the smaller one craves to be identified with the bigger group. The identity crisis is thus, in a way, a product of brand management. Since they can choose to be either A or B, it comes down to just one question: Do I gain or lose more by being seen as A or B?

As simple and clearly explained as you have done here, some will still want to attack you for stating the obvious.

Nice analysis btw.

bayooooooo:
Well, the real issue is not what Sunday Oliseh calls himself(I think he is in a best position to know who he is ) but what others perceive him to be. I think most non-Ika-speaking people would, on first instinct, call him Igbo. I have always thought He's Igbo but I can now see I was clearly wrong. I guess most Nigerians from the North, on first instinct, would categorize such names as Omatseye, Omatsola, Omawunmi, Omajuwa, Omagbemi, Oritsemeyiwa, Oritsemodupe, Oritsejafor, etc as Yoruba. It's only people from part of the South who understand the nuances that can actually differentiate and thus properly categorize the names as Itsekiri.

It's a bit difficult for me to call someone who bears Ogochukwu, something other than Igbo. Based on this stereotype, he would have benefited from being perceived to be Igbo but also suffered from similar perception in some circumstances. That may explain while some, who are not as bold as Sunday oliseh, present different faces to different people. When they thought their perceived Igboness would be helpful, they claimed Igbo. Otherwise, they claimed something different.

The real problem lies with people who treat them based on what they perceived them to be without giving them a chance to define themselves. Thus a man could be favored or punished for who he is not. That's the problem of double identity and part of Nigeria's complexities.

In this Small-Big intra-linguistic identity schism, the more successful the larger group becomes, the less the likelihood it claims the smaller one but paradoxically, the more the smaller one craves to be identified with the bigger group. The identity crisis is thus, in a way, a product of brand management. Since they can choose to be either A or B, it comes down to just one question: Do I gain or lose more by being seen as A or B?

Human beings are simply deceptive political animals. Gen. Godwin Alabi Isama was captured by Biafran Forces and was facing execution when he told them he was Igbo from Aboh, in the present Delta state. There and then, he was set free. He later sneeked back to the Nigerian side. Then, one thing led to the other, he was again arrested and thrown into prison by the Nigerian side on charges related to sabotage. The Nigerian army was not convinced he was loyal.
This is what happens when people are not true to themselves.

I bet you if the current situation surrounding Sunday's job was the one that being a proud Igbo would facilitate, Sunday wouldn't waste any time to embrace his Igbo ancestry. He is just one of the types.

Shortyy:
LOL. Who cares? Igbos are proud of themselves. It's only a coward that will denounce his/her tribe.

if he is igbo my sister he wont deny it.

CHM11:


Why? Because we don't share your view makes us tribalists?

Hmmmmm,..Jeeeez......na wa oh....

Enyi lekwa ihnye I nāgboju mkpotum!

CHM11:

True.
But in some situations, especially with minorities, a clan is the tribe. In ika land, do u know there are subclans?

By Igboland and Yorubaland you mean? Would you classify the yorubalike speaking itsekiris under yoruba land? Or the Yorubalike speaking akoko edos under yorubaland?
Do you know there are yorubalike tribes in togo, Benin even as far as serria-leone? These people refuse to be called yorubas explicitly...you hear names like esan, akokoedo, afemai, itsekiri, fon, ewe etc...that's their tribe, not yoruba.

As regards the ika people, I am not ika so I can't speak for them, but if Sunday Oliseh's view is carried by many of his kinsmen, then they are Ika, their language might sound igbotic but its IKA language as they have called it, not igbo.

If they can't call your anambra pure igbo as Ika or ukwanni, then you shouldn't be at liberty to call their own Ika language as igbo.

I understand your point tho.
Me I just wish we should learn to live and let live.

Here is a scoop for you: There was never any such thing as "Ika" until after the war
Their name was Ika-Igbo
They dropped the Igbo part so as not to be marginalised in Nigeria but they can't drop their Igbo names or language or cultures
Ika-Igbos made up the bulk of Biafran field commanders

B69U:


My brother that is correct. Wen i meet them and they say that they are igbo na argument done start be that, becos that word igbo is of value to me and i dont want any daft using it.


See as Sunday they drop heavy igbo names, proper old village igbo names, come round up with am not igbo.


If i sit down for chair there, he will not continue until he withdraws the igbo names.


I tell both Delta and Rivers people to their face that they are not igbo and should use their own names to avoid confusion.


Proudly Igbo!

I like you, jawe...but I don't envy you Igbos getting diminished everyday by this 'I am not Igbo' palaver while Yorubas are getting more and more people wanting to be Yoruba...pls,be Igbo o o...you, would-be'I am not Igbo'...take your time, don't deplete the Igbo tribe o...my one cent...

B69U:


My brother that is correct. Wen i meet them and they say that they are igbo na argument done start be that, becos that word igbo is of value to me and i dont want any daft using it.


See as Sunday they drop heavy igbo names, proper old village igbo names, come round up with am not igbo.


If i sit down for chair there, he will not continue until he withdraws the igbo names.


I tell both Delta and Rivers people to their face that they are not igbo and should use their own names to avoid confusion.


Proudly Igbo!

I like you, jawe...but I don't envy you Igbos getting diminished everyday by this 'I am not Igbo' palaver while Yorubas are getting more and more people wanting to be Yoruba...pls,be Igbo o o...you, would-be'I am not Igbo'...take your time, don't deplete the Igbo tribe o...my one cent...

Afam4eva:

There were Igbo groups but they were not under one umbrella as Igbo. The British created the Igbo tag just like they did others. So, I believe that you will have no problem if people from Ogun state say they are not Yorubas just because it's the British that created the tag anyways.

People are free to be what they want. If there was no Nigeria there would be no Yoruba, or at best they would be just the OYOs in Benin Republic no one calls them Yoruba, By any measure if there was such a thing as Yoruba then Itshekiri would be but it is their call as it is for Sunday Oliseh
The first census that the British did in Lagos identified Ekitis, Ijebus Oyo etc. The Yoruba identity became necessary because of Nigeria . Their kinsmen in Benin are not called so but those alive today are too young to remember. Yoruba really refers to Oyo people and so if an Ijebu man 100 years ago said he was not Yoruba he was right.That does not mean they did not share ancestry culture etc.
I suspect it is the same elsewhere but I am no expert

omonnakoda:
People are free to be what they want. If there was no Nigeria there would be no Yoruba, or at best they would be just the OYOs in Benin Republic no one calls them Yoruba, By any measure if there was such a thing as Yoruba then Itshekiri would be but it is their call as it is for Sunday Oliseh
The first census that the British did in Lagos identified Ekitis, Ijebus Oyo etc. The Yoruba identity became necessary because of Nigeria . Their kinsmen in Benin are not called so but those alive today are too young to remember. Yoruba really refers to Oyo people and so if an Ijebu man 100 years ago said he was not Yoruba he was right.That does not mean they did not share ancestry culture etc.
I suspect it is the same elsewhere but I am no expert

I understand your position and as much as you're right about the nomenclature that these groups go by, our classification should be based on what is and not what was. If Sunday Oliseh says he's not Igbo, it should be respected like I've always advocated but what irks me is the lies and half truths that are spewed just to support such positions. No need to tell us that you migrated from Benin or you were colonies by Igbos when the reality makes such assertions sound idiotic.