See how Barcelona Team B boy(Adama) is destroying EPL 'great defenders' on his debut! If he can start running from almost the mid-line and forced an own-goal, I wonder what Messi will do!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amFaLyn8M5c&itct=CDcQpDAYASITCJyty-SqvccCFcQpHAodq6sMdVIeQ3J5c3RhbCBQYWxhY2UgMi0xIEFzdG9uIFZpbGxh&gl=NG&client=mv-google&hl=en

Shame! (watch the 2nd goal)

Katsumoto:
Individual awards are nothing more than popularity contests. Messi is the best player in the world no doubt but even he hasn't deserved every award he has won.

Terry is overrated; doesn't get exposed so much because he is part of a tight defensive unit at Chelsea. He has always had solid partners.

Boateng all day everyday over Terry.

Just my opinion.

Lol. This is where you have been hiding, big Katz. I agree with you about Terry. But in as much as Terry is grossly overrated - Boateng is also a product of scheme/system. The both of them are birds of a feather.

England has only produced two world class central defenders - Ferdinand and Sol Campbell to an extent. Then maybe Tony Adams and Terry Butcher. Terry on the other hand so many vulnerabilities. He had Carvalho and Makelele for a long time. And Matic last season. If you want to know how rubbish Terry is - just get a direct or powerful striker with pace to go at him. But what he lacks in defensive abilities - he makes up for it with his heart and commitment. He can also get you goals in dead ball situations. I actually rate Ivanovic as a central defender higher than Terry, tbh.

Boateng also has so many vulnerabilities and he is far from a world class defender. It is basically just like comparing two second rate defenders - pointless really.

A40:

The Boa-TANK is better. JT is just another product of English hype! Typical blood and thunder defender whose contributions were severely inflated and perpetually kept guys like Carvalho in the background


Drogba that lost two ANC Finals and got sent off in his first CL Final. I no blame you na Robben I blame,

Henry is a World, Euro Champion how does the comparison with John Racist come around?


98.9% of German players are better than their English counterparts that is why Germany has 7 major titles to England's 1

JT isn't just a product of English Hype. He is actually a Great defender(or was in his pom). Let's say it how it is abeg. That He has been able to maintain such a level of consistency over a long period of time says a lot about the Man.


With regards to the Henry comparison, you do know He is yet to score in a major final whilst DD has done that a number of times right?

homesteady:
See how Barcelona Team B boy(Adama) is destroying EPL 'great defenders' on his debut! If he can start running from almost the mid-line and forced an own-goal, I wonder what Messi will do!

Humour me and ask for the names of these so called numerous "Great Defenders" that populate the league like it's running out of fashion?

Shymm3x:


Lol. This is where you have been hiding, big Katz. I agree with you about Terry. But in as much as Terry is grossly overrated - Boateng is also a product of scheme/system. The both of them are birds of a feather.

England has only produced two world class central defenders - Ferdinand and Sol Campbell to an extent. Then maybe Tony Adams and Terry Butcher. Terry on the other hand so many vulnerabilities. He had Carvalho and Makelele for a long time. And Matic last season. If you want to know how rubbish Terry is - just get a direct or powerful striker with pace to go at him. But what he lacks in defensive abilities - he makes up for it with his heart and commitment. He can also get you goals in dead ball situations. I actually rate Ivanovic as a central defender higher than Terry, tbh.

Boateng also has so many vulnerabilities and he is far from a world class defender. It is basically just like comparing two second rate defenders - pointless really.

Brethen

Not hiding here; my first posts in a while.

I get your point but I still rate Boateng higher. I actually think Boateng doesn't get the required plaudits because he is an African playing for a country that was once ruled by Hitler and the Nazis. If Boateng had so many vulnerabilities, Germany would have considered more goals enroute to the finals and may not have even won the cup.

But I guess we get to agree to disagree on Boateng but agree on Terry.

A40:

Chale where you dey since? Please come and help us school awon DSTV boys!
I can't believe peeps are using FIFPro as a benchmark. An award Iniesta made 6 years in a row and Pirlo has only made once. That is not an award anybody should take seriously

DSTV Boys!!

That must be some kind of heavy diss; I can only speculate.

chic2pimp:


JT isn't just a product of English Hype. He is actually a Great defender(or was in his pom). Let's say it how it is abeg. That He has been able to maintain such a level of consistency over a long period of time says a lot about the Man.


With regards to the Henry comparison, you do know He is yet to score in a major final whilst DD has done that a number of times right?

I think that has to do with the British giving him credit for what others did and overlooking his errors in the same vein.

I remember Henry being interviewed some years ago in a game in which Henry didn't score. The interviewer asked what Henry thought of being marked out of the game by Henry and Henry, with an astonished look on his face, responded that it was Gallas who played against him throughout the game.

If another defender had been left liked a disabled man on the ground like Ayew left Terry 2 weeks ago, you would have been hearing from Rednapp, Murphy, Neville, etc about how useless that defender is.

But I guess, you (chic2pimp) can consider him a great defender. If Terry is a great defender, then Nesta, Ferdinand, and Cannavaro must be out of this world.

John terry is just like ramos to me They make terrible mistakes most time but their goals always cover up for them
When they make a mistake u hardly see the media dwell on it
But if na pique the whole internet breaks

According to the logic of some chelsea fans on busquet and messi
I would have loved to see terry in laliga playing alongside pique

Mourinholic:
Looking forward to tomorrow.... For the first time in years we have a proper RW,let's hope this sets Willian on Fire on the left or through the middle.........

Even if we don't get Pogba ,at least the interest shows we want a CM...That alone is refreshing

My wish is that Pedro hit the ground running as soon as possible to reduce the workload and much expectation from Hazard.

Mourinho is also giving me concern about whether he will henceforth allow a left-back fill his position so that he will contribute meaningfully to the attack.

Katsumoto:


I think that has to do with the British giving him credit for what others did and overlooking his errors in the same vein.

I remember Henry being interviewed some years ago in a game in which Henry didn't score. The interviewer asked what Henry thought of being marked out of the game by Henry and Henry, with an astonished look on his face, responded that it was Gallas who played against him throughout the game.

If another defender had been left liked a disabled man on the ground like Ayew left Terry 2 weeks ago, you would have been hearing from Rednapp, Murphy, Neville, etc about how useless that defender is.

But I guess, you (chic2pimp) can consider him a great defender. If Terry is a great defender, then Nesta, Ferdinand, and Cannavaro must be out of this world.

Exactly if it was pique ayew did that to

Everyone will start the trolls

Playing for a team that parks the bus daily

Ivanovic has played CB like how many times for Chelsea? Handful? But somehow, some actors believe the few times are enough empirical evidence to suggest he is a better CB than JT.

The most amazing part of this 'revelation' is the fact that it seems to have eluded JM, Grant, Scolari, Ancellotti, RDM, Benitez - all who are paid very well to manage. Yet some are wanking over the fact that a mere "opinion" aligns with their myopic beliefs.


Abeg make una clear for thread make we discuss better thing.

Can one of the eediots that keep mentioning that Ayew disgraced Terry explain the disgrace in the video below?

Terry was already on the ground having made a flying block on Ayews initial shot. How is this a disgrace?

But then again this is not the first I will be reading rubbish from that eediot Katsumoto who speaks big English and knows nothing about footie.

I wonder what a 'great' defender would have done from the ground.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NChtE2ahiyc

Katsumoto:


I think that has to do with the British giving him credit for what others did and overlooking his errors in the same vein.

I remember Henry being interviewed some years ago in a game in which Henry didn't score. The interviewer asked what Henry thought of being marked out of the game by Henry and Henry, with an astonished look on his face, responded that it was Gallas who played against him throughout the game.

If another defender had been left liked a disabled man on the ground like Ayew left Terry 2 weeks ago, you would have been hearing from Rednapp, Murphy, Neville, etc about how useless that defender is.

But I guess, you (chic2pimp) can consider him a great defender. If Terry is a great defender, then Nesta, Ferdinand, and Cannavaro must be out of this world.

Is British media also responsible for his plethora of awards? Abeg let's give credit to whom it's due. No one is saying Terry is the second coming of Baresi but neither should we rubbish his accomplishments. It's get even more ridiculous when people start saying is no better than Bramble. Bramble you know? Fecking Hell! who next?

Yh but How did/does that interview show that Henry failed to perform to the level expected of players of his caliber in big games?

The terry vs ferdinand argument is actually a very interesting one that has been going on for years. Depending on who your ask, the answer will always be different

chic2pimp:


Is British media also responsible for his plethora of awards? Abeg let's give credit to whom it's due. No one is saying Terry is the second coming of Baresi but neither should we rubbish his accomplishments. It's get even more ridiculous when people start saying is no better than Bramble. Bramble you know? Fecking Hell! who next?

Yh but How did/does that interview show that Henry failed to perform to the level expected of players of his caliber in big games?

The terry vs ferdinand argument is actually a very interesting one that has been going on for years. Depending on who your ask, the answer will always be different

To me Terry>> Ferdinand.

These eediots will soon tell you Franco Baresi is not a great defender because he had no pace so cannot play "highline".

That is their only argument against Terry as a defender. Eediots.

Who cares if he can't play highline, majority of his career he played deep and was great within his system.

Same way Pirlo always needed two bodyguards beside him to play midfield yet is one of the greatest.

Laurent Blanc got routinely disgraced playing highline for Man Utd, yet it does not take away from his greatness.

I did not involve myself in Busquets debate when ninjas said he might struggle in a different system due to his lack of pace. Who cares? He is one of the greatest in the system he plays.

If a player is very good, the manager will find a way to fit the team around his strengths.

chic2pimp:


JT isn't just a product of English Hype. He is actually a Great defender(or was in his pom). Let's say it how it is abeg. That He has been able to maintain such a level of consistency over a long period of time says a lot about the Man.


With regards to the Henry comparison, you do know He is yet to score in a major final whilst DD has done that a number of times right?

He is a product of English hype. He has not only played in ultra-defensive system but also been fortunate to have exceptionally good defensive partners

When he had to play in a more expansive setup we all saw the result, John Terry became a laughing stock

Henry is a WC and Euro winner, scratch FA cup finals we are talking about major Finals in International competitions, Drogba's record is 1/4. Terry is not Henry so I don't quite get the analogy

Mahrez dribbling is unstoppable

He's got to be the 2nd best dribbler behind Hazard in the prem.

Ibime:
Can one of the eediots that keep mentioning that Ayew disgraced Terry explain the disgrace in the video below?

Terry was already on the ground having made a flying block on Ayews initial shot. How is this a disgrace?

But then again this is not the first I will be reading rubbish from that eediot Katsumoto who speaks big English and knows nothing about footie.

I wonder what a 'great' defender would have done from the ground.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NChtE2ahiyc

Dude

You have been frustrated for almost two years now.

Am I responsible for your frustration? Did I make your wife/girlfriend close her legs?

If you are frustrated and hor.ny, then use one hand to self-service while you use the other to waste your life away on NL?

If you are still not satisfied, let me know and I will willingly pay for a prostitute to drain the over supply of sperm that is flooding your brain.

Ki lo fo shi? asiwin

This is the last I will respond to your frustration. Adios

Katsumoto:


This is the last I will respond to your frustration. Adios

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Scram!

chic2pimp:

Is British media also responsible for his plethora of awards? Abeg let's give credit to whom it's due. No one is saying Terry is the second coming of Baresi but neither should we rubbish his accomplishments. It's get even more ridiculous when people start saying is no better than Bramble. Bramble you know? Fecking Hell! who next?

Yh but How did/does that interview show that Henry failed to perform to the level expected of players of his caliber in big games?

The terry vs ferdinand argument is actually a very interesting one that has been going on for years. Depending on who your ask, the answer will always be different

You dont know the media can influence perception and award. You know David Beckham was once a WPOTY runner up?
Have you forgotten how we heard about the invincible power of average players like Joe Cole, SWP, Adam Lallana, Andy Carrol and other half baked English footballers without a proper football education? At the peak of these so called Golden generation around 2006, After the 2006 world cup, You realize Owen Hargreaves the only foreign based in their midst was standout performer of the world cup and the others were seen to be just a little better than 2nd division players

Actually with the awards count Terry would be rather higher than Baresi, Costacurta

Even though I still think Ferdinand is mediocre, he is still better than John Terry

A40:

He is a product of English hype. He has not only played in ultra-defensive system but also been fortunate to have exceptionally good defensive partners

When he had to play in a more expansive setup we all saw the result, John Terry became a laughing stock

Henry is a WC and Euro winner, scratch FA cup finals we are talking about major Finals in International competitions, Drogba's record is 1/4. Terry is not Henry so I don't quite get the analogy

The analogy is simple. And it is that Henry has never performed excellently in a final or should I say as your mate Dayo puts it "dominated in a final" . . but Drogba has time and again. So did this fact ever make Drogba more highly rated than Henry throughout their careers?

Henry is a WC winner. Fine. But what was his contribution to the final and in the final? It's funny how you guys pick and choose which argument is suitable. Just boring us over and over with this sh1t for over 4 months now.

Just stop this "Kazeem has won the UCL, he must be better than Kareem" rubbish!

Next folks will be putting Stephane Guivarch and Ibrahimovic in the same bracket of strikers because the former won the WC. There's a reason why individual awards are given.

Katsumoto:


Brethen

Not hiding here; my first posts in a while.

I get your point but I still rate Boateng higher. I actually think Boateng doesn't get the required plaudits because he is an African playing for a country that was once ruled by Hitler and the Nazis. If Boateng had so many vulnerabilities, Germany would have considered more goals enroute to the finals and may not have even won the cup.

But I guess we get to agree to disagree on Boateng but agree on Terry.

Boa-TANK has come a long way. His first season and parts of his second season at Bayern I would never have mentioned him among the elite. Absolutely not

However there's no need for Jigi Bola to recognize the boy has become a reliable rock in the heart of defence for teams that have gone on to win a UCL and a World Cup. Of course he is good for an error in a game but show me that defender who isn't

I have no care for individual awards or plaudits. Bayern is filled with players who never got their due credit in their playing days and I know better than to judge players on that

You totally hit the nail on the head. If Boateng is so bad then why on earth is he a surefire starter for two of the best teams in football. I wanna know like Meek Mill

Katsumoto:


DSTV Boys!!

That must be some kind of heavy diss; I can only speculate.

You be oldie you suppose know wetin DSTV boys imply. People that think DM's are playmakers wetin make we call them?

How long will dis terry boateng argument continue sef


The last time i checked they are not d same age and all oda factors considered this comparism is total crap


even boateng would never say he is better than terry even their die hard fans will never say dat


its only on nairaland u will see one full page argument concerning what we already know d answer to


Pls, we are tired of the argument.... Open a special thread and continue from were u ve stopped... Thank u

Peace biko nu.

Ibime:
These eediots will soon tell you Franco Baresi is not a great defender because he had no pace so cannot play "highline".

That is their only argument against Terry as a defender. Eediots.

Who cares if he can't play highline, majority of his career he played deep and was great within his system.

Same way Pirlo always needed two bodyguards beside him to play midfield yet is one of the greatest.

Laurent Blanc got routinely disgraced playing highline for Man Utd, yet it does not take away from his greatness.

I did not involve myself in Busquets debate when ninjas said he might struggle in a different system due to his lack of pace. Who cares? He is one of the greatest in the system he plays.

If a player is very good, the manager will find a way to fit the team around his strengths.

First thing Laurent Blanc got to Man Utd when he was all but washed up and most people including me actually laughed at Laurent Blanc acquisition then. Its like saying George Weah, Nando Hierro were mediocre when they came to England

Terry was good yet didnt fit into AVB plans and was the one of those who campaigned against the Portuguese

A40:

Boa-TANK has come a long way. His first season and parts of his second season at Bayern I would never have mentioned him among the elite. Absolutely not

However there's no need for Jigi Bola to recognize the boy has become a reliable rock in the heart of defence for teams that have gone on to win a UCL and a World Cup. Of course he is good for an error in a game but show me that defender who isn't

I have no care for individual awards or plaudits. Bayern is filled with players who never got their due credit in their playing days and I know better than to judge players on that

You totally hit the nail on the head. If Boateng is so bad then why on earth is he a surefire starter for two of the best teams in football. I wanna know like Meek Mill


You be oldie you suppose know wetin DSTV boys imply. People that think DM's are playmakers wetin make we call them?

Igba wo la discuss age? So ara e.

nateevs:



The analogy is simple. And it is that Henry has never performed excellently in a final or should I say as your mate Dayo puts it "dominated in a final" . . but Drogba has time and again. So did this fact ever make Drogba more highly rated than Henry throughout their careers?

Henry is a WC winner. Fine. But what was his contribution to the final and in the final? It's funny how you guys pick and choose which argument is suitable. Just boring us over and over with this sh1t for over 4 months now.

Just stop this "Kazeem has won the UCL, he must be better than Kareem" rubbish!

Next folks will be putting Stephane Guivarch and Ibrahimovic in the same bracket of strikers because the former won the WC. There's a reason why individual awards are given.

And what did Stephane Guivarch actually do at that world cup he won and how did he perform

Terry has been shown to be a limited footballer and routinely exposed when the game gets tough

Where was he in Chelseas greatest moments? The Nou Camp 2-2 game, Munich, Moscow, or eve the Europa win

While Boateng would point to great finals he dominated. Individual awards is more of a popularity contest which would always favour players who are media favourites and those from popular media vis a vis their talents

Beckham scored a free kick vs Greece in a qualifier and a momument was made for that. Ask mst people the greatest free kick taker in the world they would say Beckham yet few would name Mihajlovic (Who scored a Freekick hat trick) or even Juninho Pernambucano

AndreUweh:
Peace biko nu.

Even AndreUweh show face today

Katsumoto shey na you hide am before?

Mr kashukato Katsumoto can you explain why boatank that you once confirmed no one heralded as best defender in the world, except Bayern fans can be adjudged as greater than John Terry at his peak?

Katsumoto:

You are a Bayern supporter and probably biased. Apart from Bayern fans, Boateng is not heralded as one of the best defenders in the world

Just today the mumu boatank added goal keeper duties to his responsibilities against hoffeinhem and the id'iot saw red.

You need to be suspended upside down with rope tied around your scrotum and flogged with 99 strokes of the cain for supporting boatank now.

raumdeuter:


And what did Stephane Guivarch actually do at that world cup he won and how did he perform

Oya by your own logic, where has Thierry Henry performed in a final stealing the show?
Now show us how the presence or lack of that event has affected his individual awards.

raumdeuter:


You dont know the media can influence perception and award. You know David Beckham was once a WPOTY runner up?
Have you forgotten how we heard about the invincible power of average players like Joe Cole, SWP, Adam Lallana, Andy Carrol and other half baked English footballers without a proper football education? At the peak of these so called Golden generation around 2006, After the 2006 world cup, You realize Owen Hargreaves the only foreign based in their midst was standout performer of the world cup and the others were seen to be just a little better than 2nd division players

Actually with the awards count Terry would be rather higher than Baresi, Costacurta

Even though I still think Ferdinand is mediocre, he is still better than John Terry

Wetin the Englishman do you ?
Not everything german or associated with germany is great,
Am certain the way the english press hype up their players is the same in germany it only seem over blown because of the language and league popularity.

airmark:
Mr kashukato Katsumoto can you explain why boatank that you once confirmed no one heralded as best defender in the world, except Bayern fans can be adjudged as greater than John Terry at his peak?



Just today the mumu boatank added goal keeper duties to his responsibilities against hoffeinhem and the id'iot saw red.

You need to be suspended upside down with rope tied around your scrotum and flogged with 99 strokes of the cain for supporting boatank now.

I need to explain deduction reasoning to you SMDH

nateevs:


The analogy is simple. And it is that Henry has never performed excellently in a final or should I say as your mate Dayo puts it "dominated in a final" . . but Drogba has time and again. So did this fact ever make Drogba more highly rated than Henry throughout their careers?

We are talking about major international competitions not Milk Cup, Ojude Oba Cup and the likes

Drogba has 1 Final success out of 4. Hell he couldn't even dominate a final vs freaking Zambia,

nateevs:

Henry is a WC winner. Fine. But what was his contribution to the final and in the final? It's funny how you guys pick and choose which argument is suitable. Just boring us over and over with this sh1t for over 4 months now.

Euro 2000 Henry was France's highest goalscorer and scored in the semis that they won 2-1

Germany 2006 Henry was France's highest goalscorer and scored the lone goal that sent his country to the semis

John Racist has never helped his team past the quarter-final of any major tournament for his country, so how does the comparison with Henry come about?

nateevs:

Just stop this "Kazeem has won the UCL, he must be better than Kareem" rubbish!

Next folks will be putting Stephane Guivarch and Ibrahimovic in the same bracket of strikers because the former won the WC. There's a reason why individual awards are given.

This your analogy na offside! Pass interference

Ibrahimovic is not from a traditional football power Terry is from one

Guivarch has no career of note for club but the Boa-TANK does.

Baba try something else