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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by Deltagiant: 10:42pm On Sep 26, 2015
NAIJASOM:


The simple answer to your question is "NONE" BUT you need to understand first of all, that South-East only make up 3/5 of Igbo land. The rest were merged into the south-south during state creation after the Civil War.
There are indigenous Igbos on Delta, Rivers, Akwa ibom, Cross river, Benue, and Edo.

The point I am trying to make is that Even If south east Igbos are the only ones to break away from Nigeria, they will still have access to the sea even if the river goes through a Non-South-east territory. The reason is because If a body of water is shared between two nations, that river is an International water. Blocking that river is an Act of war according to the United Nations.
Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by emmatok(m): 10:46pm On Sep 26, 2015
NAIJASOM:


The simple answer to your question is "NONE" BUT you need to understand first of all, that South-East only make up 3/5 of Igbo land. The rest were merged into the south-south during state creation after the Civil War.
There are indigenous Igbos on Delta, Rivers, Akwa ibom, Cross river, Benue, and Edo.

The point I am trying to make is that Even If south east Igbos are the only ones to break away from Nigeria, they will still have access to the sea even if the river goes through a Non-South-east territory. The reason is because If a body of water is shared between two nations, that river is an International water. Blocking that river is an Act of war according to the United Nations.

Well look at it this way,

The coastal areas belongs to the SS, why the river is shared between the SE and SS.

If those two regions are different countries.

The SE will have a treaty with the SS to use the Sea.

Because there will be defined boarders(land,aqautic and air) for each country.

SS can't just allow ships from the Atlantic ocean into their country, going to the SE.

No country just with her coastal areas.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by zuchyblink(m): 10:49pm On Sep 26, 2015
emmatok:


Well look at it the way,

The coastal areas belongs to the SS, why the river is shared between the SE and SS.

If those two regions are different countries.

The SE will have a treaty with the SS to use the Sea.

Because there will be defined boarders for each country.
all these cheap lies

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by Deltagiant: 10:53pm On Sep 26, 2015
emmatok:


Well look at it the way,

The coastal areas belongs to the SS, why the river is shared between the SE and SS.

If those two regions are different countries.

The SE will have a treaty with the SS to use the Sea.

Because there will be defined boarders for each country.

I marvel at your ignorance. I am from the so called 'south south'. Has that deduced the fact that my community is in Igboland and will remain so regardless of any changes in the geo politics of the current British amalgamation? What's actually your point?

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by emmatok(m): 10:57pm On Sep 26, 2015
Deltagiant:

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I marvel at your ignorance. I am from the so called 'south south'. Has that deduced the fact that my community is in Igboland and will remain so regardless of any changes in the geo politics of the current British amalgamation? What's actually your point?[/s]

We are discussing based on the 5 SE States having access to the Sea.

Understand the discussions before jumping in.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by zuchyblink(m): 10:58pm On Sep 26, 2015
i wonder why Yoruba people poo on their pants when they hera anything Biafra or Igbo or Niger delta militants
our sea/river ports are going to be sexy because they will run down to our cities directly making transportation of goods easier

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by vicenzo(m): 10:58pm On Sep 26, 2015
Emmatok is but another Yoruba man embittered by any good news coming out of Igboland.

Even after Ngwakwe schooled him here :https://www.nairaland.com/1568347/hmm-abia-state-set-build/1 by showing him a Canadian port, Montreal port, that is farther inland than Obuaku will be, but that still served as a viable seaport, the Yoruba bitter Man cannot just swallow his bitterness and let Biafrans be.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by Nobody: 10:59pm On Sep 26, 2015
emmatok:

Well look at it the way,

The coastal areas belongs to the SS, why the river is shared between the SE and SS.

If those two regions are different countries.The SE will have a treaty with the SS to use the Sea

Because there will be defined boarders for each country.


This is where you get it wrong. There is "NO" treaty needed for access to the sea. The only treaty or agreement needed between the south-east and south-south is where the territorial water claim starts and ends ( which I know will be done in a peaceful and civil manner). Other than that, the south-east don't need any port situated in the south-south or Nigeria for that matter.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by vicenzo(m): 11:00pm On Sep 26, 2015
For all intent and purposes, SE is but a part of Igboland. Igboland is bigger than south East.

With Obuaku, SE is not and have never been landlocked. This I understand is a bitter pill for enemies of Ndiigbo to swallow.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by Deltagiant: 11:02pm On Sep 26, 2015
emmatok:


We are discussing based on the 5 SE States having access to the Sea.

Understand the discussions before jumping in.

That's why i said your ignorance beats my imagination! This discussion is about whether Igboland is landlocked or not. If you have little understanding of Igboland, as it now seems, why don't you simply shut it!?

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by ezeagu(m): 11:10pm On Sep 26, 2015
If Igbo people had a Fulani political mindset, they would have bought up several coastline by now, there wouldn't even be this discussion. Igboland, for now, is landlocked.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by Nobody: 11:16pm On Sep 26, 2015
ezeagu:
If Igbo people had a Fulani political mindset, they would have bought up several coastline by now, there wouldn't even be this discussion. Igboland, for now, is landlocked.


No my brother Igbo land is not landlocked rather South-east as defined by the nigerian political chess players is partially landlocked.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by emmatok(m): 11:17pm On Sep 26, 2015
NAIJASOM:



This is where you get it wrong. There is "NO" treaty needed for access to the sea. The only treaty or agreement needed between the south-east and south-south is where the territorial water claim starts and ends ( which I know will be done in a peaceful and civil manner). Other than that, the south-east don't need any port situated in the south-south or Nigeria for that matter.

Lol, its not that easy

kindly check the Map of South America and notice that Bolivia its landlocked, but very close to Peru and Chile.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by Deltagiant: 11:18pm On Sep 26, 2015
ezeagu:
If Igbo people had a Fulani political mindset, they would have bought up several coastline by now, there wouldn't even be this discussion. Igboland, for now, is landlocked.

Well, as per Nigeria's politics, yes...But in actual fact, Igboland in general is NOT landlocked.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by ezeagu(m): 11:19pm On Sep 26, 2015
NAIJASOM:



No my brother Igbo land is not landlocked rather South-east as defined by the nigerian political chess players is partially landlocked.

Deltagiant:

Well, as per Nigeria's politics, yes...But in actual fact, Igboland in general is NOT landlocked.

There are no coastal Igbo towns or lands, that's what I mean.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by zuchyblink(m): 11:24pm On Sep 26, 2015
ezeagu:




There are no coastal Igbo towns or lands, that's what I mean.
the most important thing is having access to the sea which we have through river niger,azumini,ikwo river and oguta lake

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by emmatok(m): 11:26pm On Sep 26, 2015
ezeagu:




There are no coastal Igbo towns or lands, that's what I mean.

Oga, leave this children to their imaginations.

It's seems they don't understand simple geography.

Yet none of them can show us any Coastal area in SE.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by EastLebanon(m): 11:26pm On Sep 26, 2015
emmatok:
Assuming the 5 SE States forms a country A and all the SS states forms country B.

How will country A get access to the Sea without going through Country B.

ok,let me educate u a bit,the UN law governing territorial water stated that a country which do not have borders directly with the sea but has a body of water flowing from it territory directly into the sea has the right to dredge the river/lake for trasportation purposes without the neighbouring country interrupting them.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by Armaggedon: 11:28pm On Sep 26, 2015
emmatok:


We are discussing based on the 5 SE States having access to the Sea.

Understand the discussions before jumping in.
the thread title says Igboland not southeast

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by Nobody: 11:29pm On Sep 26, 2015
lesotho is a good example of a landlocked country,SE have 5 routes to the sea adding ss will make it up to ten routes to the sea

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by Armaggedon: 11:31pm On Sep 26, 2015
ezeagu:




There are no coastal Igbo towns or lands, that's what I mean.
i think onne port is in ikwereland
Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by ezeagu(m): 11:31pm On Sep 26, 2015
zuchyblink:
the most important thing is having access to the sea which we have through river niger,azumini,ikwo river and oguta lake

Yes, through rivers like the Niger, the Oguta lake one is kind of far fetched because it's a lake that's more than 100 miles away from the coast and is linked by the narrow Urashi river, which I can't seen taking small ships let alone container ships. Also, the access is completely left at the mercy of everyone else the rivers flow through. The best thing would have been to strategically buy up lands to the coast line especially on the Imo River to Ibeno, kind of like the strip of land the DR Congo has, but no one has that kind of nationalistic sense unfortunately.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by Deltagiant: 11:31pm On Sep 26, 2015
ezeagu:




There are no coastal Igbo towns or lands, that's what I mean.

The discussion boils down to one thing: can an independent Igbo nation with or without the present SS be able to operate an international seaport?
Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by ezeagu(m): 11:32pm On Sep 26, 2015
Armaggedon:
i think onne port is in ikwereland

Relying on Ikwereland right now is going out on a serious limb, realistically, and Onne is Ogoni.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by Nobody: 11:34pm On Sep 26, 2015
ezeagu:




There are no coastal Igbo towns or lands, that's what I mean.

I guess your comment s is solely based on who you consider to be Igbo or not. In that case the Ikwere and Opobo people may not be considered Igbos to you. If thats what you mean, I totally understand. Blame Nigerian politics for that.

BUT opobo town, founded by an Igbo Man from present day Imo state is the lowest costal city in Nigeria. They have (to my knowledge) never denied their Igboness.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by ezeagu(m): 11:39pm On Sep 26, 2015
Deltagiant:


The discussion boils down to one thing: can an independent Igbo nation with or without the present SS be able to operate an international seaport?

Maybe to an extent but it would be severely limited to have a sea port on a river, even one as big as the Niger. If an Igbo nation (as the outlook is now) is serious they can simply fork out cash and buy a narrow corridor and a bit of coast from the Azumini Akwete axis maybe down through some Ogoni or Obolo lands if they agree to sell a corridor and a piece of the coast, even swamp and mangrove self, as long as it's near the coast, engineering has come to a point a long time ago where airports and dockyards can be built on sea neat the coast. Apart from that it looks like we're looking at a Suez Canal type of situation, I might be wrong.

It's sad because there's so much coastline in the delta region that's not being utilised (at the level we're talking about at least).

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by emmatok(m): 11:40pm On Sep 26, 2015
EastLebanon:
ok,let me educate u a bit,the UN law governing territorial water stated that a country which do not have borders directly with the sea but has a body of water flowing from it territory directly into the sea has the right to dredge the river/lake for trasportation purposes without the neighbouring country interrupting them.


You will need the an agreement to do that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea
Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by Nobody: 11:42pm On Sep 26, 2015
ezeagu:


Maybe to an extent but it would be severely limited to have a sea port on a river, even one as big as the Niger. If an Igbo nation (as the outlook is now) is serious they can simply fork out cash and buy a narrow corridor and a bit of coast from the Azumini Akwete axis maybe down through some Ogoni or Obolo lands if they agree to sell a corridor and a piece of the coast, even swamp and mangrove self, as long as it's near the coast, engineering has come to a point a long time ago where airports and dockyards can be built on sea neat the coast. Apart from that it looks like we're looking at a Suez Canal type of situation, I might be wrong.

It's sad because there's so much coastline in the delta region that's not being utilised (at the level we're talking about at least).
azumini is 5 nautical miles to atlantic ocean
Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by ezeagu(m): 11:43pm On Sep 26, 2015
NAIJASOM:


I guess your comment s is solely based on who you consider to be Igbo or not. In that case the Ikwere and Opobo people may not be considered Igbos to you. If thats what you mean, I totally understand. Blame Nigerian politics for that.

BUT opobo town, founded by an Igbo Man from present day Imo state is the lowest costal city in Nigeria. They have (to my knowledge) never denied their Igboness.

It's not really my ideas of who are or aren't, just being very objective and realistic as possible shows that people in those regions are not very enthusiastic, we could say, about an Igbo identity, even if they say they have Igbo ancestry it's different from identifying with Igbo people. Anyway, even if Opobo people are 100% with an Igbo nation, they are still separated geographically by the Obolo people and other ethnic groups so a good idea would be a corridor in that case.

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Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by Armaggedon: 11:44pm On Sep 26, 2015
Omololu007:
I don't think you know what landlocked is,is there a port in portharcout? And hope you know that some part of ijaw land is in portharcourt?
the ijaw is just a small part that came about as a result of expansion
Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by ezeagu(m): 11:44pm On Sep 26, 2015
finniblinks:
azumini is 5 nautical miles to atlantic ocean

More like 40.
Re: Question: Is Igboland Landlocked? by Nobody: 11:48pm On Sep 26, 2015
zendy:



Ijaw land? Nobody owned that land, that's why king Jaja could take it. I regard them as Opobo Igbos because Opobo was founded by an Igbo man. Of course, it is for them to them to decide who they are but I have heard that the main language of the Opobo people is Igbo
never say nobody own a land, same thing u diabolical set of people said abt lagos.

igbos r not native to ijawland. they evaded it like they did to south west. u r not better than d natives there so u cannot dominate them anyhow

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