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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Missy89(f): 6:42pm On Oct 01, 2015
Shymm3x:


And what's Obama's red tape? - act first and think later syndrome associated with US foreign policy or the needless overstretching of the US military in a quest for an impossible world domination?

Rubber stamp congress or no rubber stamp congress - that's the best approach, if he's serious about winning the war. The Russian congress is no more rubber stamp than the US congress.

Do i need to remind you that the escalation in syria was caused by the dems in the first place? The fear of mitt Romney attack on being " soft on russia" was the reason why Obama started his " Assad must go " mantra in the first place. They were negotiating with Assad and Russia throu Annan before Obama and his team decided to blindside Koffi and insist that Assad has to go. That said, No US president will want to fully commit at this point. That is what i meant by Obama's red tape.

US congress is sh1tty but please dont compare is the Russia Duma. I already agreed that Russia is taking the best approach however

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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Adebowale89(m): 6:46pm On Oct 01, 2015
could this be a war movie?? have always been watching sth like this in american film

the reality go beyond my physical trait cry
Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Shymm3x: 7:07pm On Oct 01, 2015
Missy89:


Do i need to remind you that the escalation in syria was caused by the dems in the first place? The fear of mitt Romney attack on being " soft on russia" was the reason why Obama started his " Assad must go " mantra in the first place. They were negotiating with Assad and Russia throu Annan before Obama and his team decided to blindside Koffi and insist that Assad has to go. That said, No US president will want to fully commit at this point. That is what i meant by Obama's red tape.

US congress is sh1tty but please dont compare is the Russia Duma. I already agreed that Russia is taking the best approach however

However, it's still the act first and think later syndrome, based on the quagmire and utter mess/destruction they have created in the country. And it'll take more than 20 years to rebuild that country - apart from the thousands of lives that have been wasted for no reason.

Hilary Clinton started the Syrian adventure...I don't think it has anything to do with Romney apart from increasing the venom of the sabre rattling. The so-called Arab Spring already had Syria on its horizon, from the onset and everyone knew Syria was the next stop for US' fake kinetic humanitarian intervention after Libya.

Both the US congress and Russian Duma are the same - wait till Netanyahu come to town and watch them all line behind him. grin

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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Missy89(f): 7:15pm On Oct 01, 2015
Shymm3x:


However, it's still the act first and think later syndrome, based on the quagmire and utter mess/destruction they have created in the country. And it'll take more than 20 years to rebuild that country - apart from the thousands of lives that have been wasted for no reason.

Hilary Clinton started the Syrian adventure...I don't think it has anything to do with Romney apart from increasing the venom of the sabre rattling. The so-called Arab Spring already had Syria on its horizon, from the onset and everyone knew Syria was the next stop for US' fake kinetic humanitarian intervention after Libya.

Both the US congress and Russian Duma are the same - wait till Netanyahu come to town and watch them all line behind him. grin

This is the best quote on the middle east.
The Middle East is hopeless, History tells us that - Victor Petrov (House of cards Season 3)

Are you telling me the Duma can challenge Putin on any bill? They usually vote unanimously apart from few domestic issues where the opposition show how crazy they are like Vladimir Zhirinovsky. Unlike the US, Do u think bibi could visit and speak at the Russian Duma without Putin's approval?

US congress might be sh1tty but they do have some degree of autonomy from the executive branch

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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by chronique(m): 7:18pm On Oct 01, 2015
They have done it before,and are capable of doing it again. They funded the Taliban rebels against the Afghan govt and Russian forces in 1979 and Osama Bin Laden and the entire Al-Qaeda movement which has given birth to numerous terrorist organisations around the world,are products of that unholy alliance. I don't like the Americans for that sake. I finally gave up on them after they destroyed Iraq and Libya and turned them to terrorists breeding grounds.
dammytosh:


America funding ISIS is an awesome conspiracy theory. smiley smiley

if America sponsor ISIS Assad would have been sent packing since.

Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Shymm3x: 7:58pm On Oct 01, 2015
Missy89:


This is the best quote on the middle east.
The Middle East is hopeless, History tells us that - Victor Petrov (House of cards Season 3)

Are you telling me the Duma can challenge Putin on any bill? They usually vote unanimously apart from few domestic issues where the opposition show how crazy they are like Vladimir Zhirinovsky. Unlike the US, Do u think bibi could visit and speak at the Russian Duma without Putin's approval?

US congress might be sh1tty but they do have some degree of autonomy from the executive branch

If the middle east is hopeless - why not stay away from the place?

But why should Bibi speak to the US congress and make them all bow down, when he isn't the POTUS? Heck, they respect him more than they respect the POTUS - that's the joke the US congress is. All they understand is money from AIPAC and bowing down to Israel. grin

Now tell me - which of the two is more of a joke. The one that respects a next country's leader than its own, or the one that votes for its country's interests?

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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Missy89(f): 8:16pm On Oct 01, 2015
Shymm3x:


If the middle east is hopeless - why not stay away from the place?

But why should Bibi speak to the US congress and make them all bow down, when he isn't the POTUS? Heck, they respect him more than they respect the POTUS - that's the joke the US congress is. All they understand is money from AIPAC and bowing down to Israel. grin

Now tell me - which of the two is more of a joke. The one that respects a next country's leader than its own, or the one that votes for its country's interests?

Politically Hopeless. It does have economic and strategic usefulness.

Thats the thing about democracy, every arm should be independent. Duma zombies respects Putin's Interest not their country's interest although they do align sometimes.

The clowns on the hill do respect corporations and their disrespect for Obama has more to do with the Gop rebelling because of their traditional disrespect for Obama and their fetish for Israel.
Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Nobody: 8:49pm On Oct 01, 2015
Missy89
I think just figured out what the "problem" with you is.
Deep down, you know America is everything that is wrong with the world. But the patriotic you would only allow you admit that to an extent while attempting to demonize America's remedy (though you try very hard to be objective). Deep down, everyone is atleast a little bit patriotic to their country so I don't see any fault in you.
But we all know that right now the Americans are the evil ones and Russians the good guys but you Americans that knows the truth would prefer to call Russia the "lesser evils" rather than admit that they are doing good.

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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Missy89(f): 8:50pm On Oct 01, 2015
Shymm3x


One of America's "moderates" Iyad al-Deek was killed in the airstrikes apparently.
Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by NairaMinted: 8:52pm On Oct 01, 2015

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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Missy89(f): 9:01pm On Oct 01, 2015
NaijaTalkTown:
Missy89
I think just figured out what the "problem" with you is.
Deep down, you know America is everything that is wrong with the world. But the patriotic you would only allow you admit that to an extent while attempting to demonize America's remedy (though you try very hard to be objective). Deep down, everyone is atleast a little bit patriotic to their country so I don't see any fault in you.
But we all know that right now the Americans are the evil ones and Russians the good guys but you Americans that knows the truth would prefer to call Russia the "lesser evils" rather than admit that they are doing good.


Well i will disagree.

There are no good guys in geopolitics. The problem with Russia and the US as always been clash of Ideology and difference in the concept of sovereignty. Russia traditionally views states have full authority over their territories; no outside players may interfere. European countries and the U.S. adhere to a different, more recent concept, ostensibly based on humanitarian values: If a regime is hurting its citizens, it's permissible to step in.

Both clearly have their own merit or demerit which ever side you decide to pick. Russia concept is more ideal for authoritarians while America and liberal Europeans will use theirs to support regime change in a less powerful nation is not playing ball.
Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Appleyard(m): 9:06pm On Oct 01, 2015
Zoharariel:
My advice to ISIS is very simple.

“Take cover, the Russians are coming.” grin

As for all the Muslims in the UK, Nigeria & Ghana that are sneaking into Syria to fight alongside the ISIS against Bashar Al-Assad;

Godspeed! grin
Yeah homie!gringrin The Russians are coming, and woe betide any sons of perdition that stands in their way.

See as America and Kerry dey crygrin

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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Shymm3x: 9:07pm On Oct 01, 2015
Missy89:

Politically Hopeless. It does have economic and strategic usefulness.

Thats the thing about democracy, every arm should be independent. Duma zombies respects Putin's Interest not their country's interest although they do align sometimes.

The clowns on the hill do respect corporations and their disrespect for Obama has more to do with the Gop rebelling because of their traditional disrespect for Obama and their fetish for Israel.

So, they have to be bombed under the guise of democracy so as to exploit the economic and strategic usefulness, no?

And whose interests does Putin serve if not Russian interests? Where was Russia under the drunkard Yeltsin and where is it now under Putin? Isn't it a miracle that a country that was in abyss has been taken an height they probably wouldn't have dreamt of under Yeltsin? A Russia that's now back on the world map?

Please, the plutocrats and Israel run US congress - once you have money, you'd buy them over easily. It's no different from Duma...apart from the fact that Duma does Putin's wishes, while the US congress is up for sale to the highest bidder.

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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Shymm3x: 9:08pm On Oct 01, 2015
Missy89:
Shymm3x


One of America's "moderates" Iyad al-Deek was killed in the airstrikes apparently.

Lol.

I suspect they have also bombed the CIA command and control centre in Syria. lipsrsealed

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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Nobody: 9:11pm On Oct 01, 2015
Appleyard:
Yeah homie!gringrin The Russians are coming, and woe betide any sons of perdition that stands in their way.

See as America and Kerry dey crygrin
Where have you been? I was expecting to see your posts.

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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Missy89(f): 9:12pm On Oct 01, 2015
Shymm3x:


So, they have to be bombed under the guise of democracy so as to exploit the economic and strategic usefulness, no?

And whose interests does Putin serve if not Russian interests? Where was Russia under the drunkard Yeltsin and where is it now under Putin? Isn't it a miracle that a country that was in abyss has been taken an height they probably wouldn't have dreamt of under Yeltsin? A Russia that's now back on the world map?

Please, the plutocrats and Israel run US congress - once you have money, you'd buy them over easily. It's no different from Duma...apart from the fact that Duma does Putin's wishes, while the US congress is up for sale to the highest bidder.


Personally i cant take any house that votes unanimously on everything serious. I have no love for congress. In fact they were voted one of the most ineffective body few months ago. But dont compare it to the Russian duma. That place is a zombie lodge filled with putinbots
Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Appleyard(m): 9:15pm On Oct 01, 2015
Shymm3x:
Is this the beginning of the next big war or probably the third world war?

Just one miscalculation would most likely lead to a big war with how the Iraqi and Syrian air space are crowded with fighter jets from different countries whose interests don't align. The Americans and Arabs gulf sheikhs won't let their billions of dollars worth of investment in ISIS and all these Jihadist groups go to waste like that. Ditto Israel who benefits the most from how unstable these countries are.

Expect a long war - Syria and Iraq are the battlefield for now, and it will most likely move to other countries in Euroasia.

Russia has woken the ghost of USSR back from the dead via Putin - the battle line as been drawn. Enjoy the movie. grin
Yeah! Just as the saying goes, " if you wish for peace, prepare for war ". Is time to let the Hegemon and its bunch of ISIS satanists elites understand that they just cant dictate the fate of the entire planet and its people in line with their satanic and greedy motives and interest.

I see a larger conflict in the horizon.

Truely, the show has begone!
Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Donkunxex(m): 9:17pm On Oct 01, 2015
mentorken05:
The way these things are going in Syria now, soon mistakes are gonna be made and everybody will start shooting everybody.
Not many are gonna understand the following...
Syrian military are Fighting ISIS, Al nusra and other Rebel groups.
The Rebels are fyting ISIS, Al nusra and The Syrian Army.
Al nusra are fyting Syrian army, ISIS and oda rebels.
The Kurdish Pershmaga (YPG) are fighting ISIS but friendly to PKK.
The PKK are fighting ISIS.
The Turks are fighting both ISIS and the PKK but friendly to the YPG.
The Iraqi military are fytin ISIS but are friendly to the PKK, d Turks but not the YPG
The Iranians are supporting the Syrians and Iraqis in fight against ISIS only.
The Americans and dia western allies are fighting ISIS and are friendly to Turkey, Iraq, YPG and PKK, but not to the Iranians and d Syrian Govt.
The Hezbollah are fyting ISIS, and are friends wit d Syrian govt and d Iranians, but not the Americans
The Saudis are supporting Al Nusra and oda rebel groups fighting the Syrian govt and ISIS
Now the Russians av arrived, and av started fyting ISIS, Al nusra and oda rebel groups (who av western and Arabian backing) dat hav bn fytin the Syrain Govt
ISIS...fyting Everybody!
isis is at the middle
Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by NairaMinted: 9:21pm On Oct 01, 2015
In case you are harbouring any lingering doubts whether these "moderate" rebels do exist in the midst of these rampaging jihadist and that perhaps Russia is targetting bonafide and "vetted" "freedom fighters" that are rebelling for a good cause against the "brutal regime" of Al-Assad, then wonder no further.

See as reported by the short-shighted Western media itself:

The corporate media has reported numerous instances of supposedly “vetted” CIA mercenaries cooperating with ISIS and other jihadist groups:

In May The Wall Street Journal reported SRF had joined al-Qaeda in the Golan.
In July Al Jazeera reported an ISIS leader as saying he purchases weapons from the FSA.
In August 2014 [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/43-un-peacekeepers-abducted-in-golan-heights/2014/08/28/2c968976-7d90-48d6-b5ef-354f349a6e18_story.html?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost]The Washington Post[/url] said al-Nusra worked with unnamed CIA-backed rebel groups to capture the Quneitra border crossing with Israel and abduct a large number of Fijian peacekeepers.
Last September Harakat Hazm reportedly fought alongside al-Qaeda in Aleppo, according to The Los Angeles Times.
The same month, the SRF declared a peace truce with the Islamic State and the following month SRF members defected to ISIS.
In November a number of FSA members also defected to the Islamic State and condemned US airstrikes.
In December a German journalist embedded with the Islamic State told France 24 the group receives U.S. arms from the FSA.
Also in December, The New York Times admitted the FSA is under the control of ISIS.
In April, Reuters reported the U.S.-armed FSA is allied with al-Nusra in northern Syria.

The Russians are targeting jihadists in Syria and most are supported directly and indirectly by the United States.

The U.S. will continue to insist the threat in Syria is limited to ISIS and Bashar al-Assad and will argue, despite a large amount of evidence to the contrary, that the proxy war in Syria is a radical Islamist operation and there are virtually no moderate “rebels” involved in the fighting.


THERE ARE NO MODERATES IN SYRIA! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise and try to ring a different narrative down your ears...THERE ARE NO MODERATES IN SYRIA! KAPISH!!!!

Every f.a.r.king one of them are legitimate targets!

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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Appleyard(m): 9:26pm On Oct 01, 2015
I can tell it is the Russians. They are FASTER! grin. And the sound of the Bombs are differentfrom those of the reigime and other forces!grin

Hahaha! The difference is clear!cheesy No be hollywood owngrin The US love to brag and rake. Russia do the talk by action.

The Russians dont talk much. They just Act!grin
And now the difference is been testified to by eye witnesses grin.

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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by NairaMinted: 9:28pm On Oct 01, 2015
This was in 2007..........[size=18pt]2007!![/size]

Multiple Pullitzer winning journalist, Seymour Hersh, The Re-Direction article in the New Yorker

"To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has cooperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has [size=18pt]been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.[/size]
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh?currentPage=all
Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by NairaMinted: 9:29pm On Oct 01, 2015
Appleyard:


Hahaha! The difference is clear!cheesy No be hollywood owngrin The US love to brag and rake. Russia do the talk by action.

The Russians dont talk much. They just Act!grin
And now the difference is been testified to by eye witnesses grin.

I was wondering where you had been all day! I'll allow you finish this off. Been a long day!

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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Shymm3x: 9:40pm On Oct 01, 2015
Missy89:

Personally i cant take any house that votes unanimously on everything serious. I have no love for congress. In fact they were voted one of the most ineffective body few months ago. But dont compare it to the Russian duma. That place is a zombie lodge filled with putinbots

Two sides to the same coin to me.

One is controlled by the dollar and lobbying, while the other still revolves around socialism and mother Russia.

And since Putinbots and Putin have been able to put Russia on the map - you can't hate on them for that.

The other option is a Yeltsin-esque Russia.

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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Shymm3x: 9:41pm On Oct 01, 2015
Appleyard:

Yeah! Just as the saying goes, " if you wish for peace, prepare for war ". Is time to let the Hegemon and its bunch of ISIS satanists elites understand that they just cant dictate the fate of the entire planet and its people in line with their satanic and greedy motives and interest.

I see a larger conflict in the horizon.

Truely, the show has begone!


Word, bruddah.

Where have you been?

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Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Missy89(f): 9:44pm On Oct 01, 2015
Shymm3x:


Two sides to the same coin to me.

One is controlled by the dollar and lobbying, while the other still revolves around socialism and mother Russia.

And since Putinbots and Putin have been able to put Russia on the map - you can't hate on them for that.

The other option is a Yeltsin-esque Russia.

So u can suddenly see Russia on your atlas map? Thought it was there all along grin jk
Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by emmatok(m): 9:48pm On Oct 01, 2015
https://news.vice.com/article/iranian-ground-troops-are-joining-russians-in-syrian-offensive-reports?utm_source=vicenewstwitter

Iranian Ground Troops Are Joining Russians in Syrian Offensive:

Hundreds of Iranian ground troops have reportedly arrived in Syria over the past 10 days to join an offensive supporting embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, two anonymous Lebanese sources told Reuters Thursday.
Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Nobody: 10:31pm On Oct 01, 2015
Zoharariel:
My advice to ISIS is very simple.

“Take cover, the Russians are coming.” grin

As for all the Muslims in the UK, Nigeria & Ghana that are sneaking into Syria to fight alongside the ISIS against Bashar Al-Assad;

Godspeed! grin
The Russian fighters can't differentiate between ISIS and those rebels fighting Al Assad for freedom means they might end up bombing the government troops and Al Assad himself with time.

That is what you get from unreasonable military superpower. I hope the USA government won't be blamed again for killing people in the past. Over to you Russia! Smh...!
Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by mentorken05(m): 10:35pm On Oct 01, 2015
Defcon1:

Easily the best ever comment on NL!
thanks bro
Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by emmatok(m): 10:58pm On Oct 01, 2015
all4naija:

The Russian fighters can't differentiate between ISIS and those rebels fighting Al Assad for freedom means they might end up bombing the government troupe and Al Assad himself with time.

That is what you get from unreasonable military superpower. I hope the USA government won't be blamed again for killing people in the past. Over to you Russia! Smh...!

Russia is not just fighting ISIS they are fighting every opposition w Al Assad .

Thier aim is to strengthen Al Assad.

This is where Obama and his European friends messed up, now they are going through migration crisis and Russia is taking advantage.
Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by emmatok(m): 10:59pm On Oct 01, 2015
I just hope the Republicans produce the next POTUS .

Even Trump has promised to send those Syrians migrants back to thier country.
Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Nobody: 11:04pm On Oct 01, 2015
Missy89:


So u can suddenly see Russia on your atlas map? Thought it was there all along grin jk
Lady I suspect you. Are you CIA?
Re: Russia Begins Air Strikes In Syria Against ISIS by Nobody: 11:11pm On Oct 01, 2015
emmatok:


Russia is not just fighting ISIS they are fighting every opposition w Al Assad .

Thier aim is to strengthen Al Assad.

This is where Obama and his European friends messed up, now they are going through migration crisis and Russia is taking advantage.
You are correct. Possibly, I couldn't explain it better from that very intelligent perspective you gave here. I think Syria is the only country where Russia has its military base outside of Russia. Nevertheless, I don't think it is going to be easy for Russia. It is going to lose a hell of money and casualties at the end.

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