don't mind this op ooh! if you really wanna give thanks to God, let it be from your heart. if you think it's not right then follow your heart.

whatever way 'a prophet ' deceives people, it's none of my business cos I know God is watching. He is the God of Justice.

It is no longer news that these churches are only business enterprises ran by charlatans exploiting the ignorance of the gullibly religious masses.

One brother Hillary threaten me last year that if i don't pay tithe to him his god will get angry(not knowing am an atheist), i was so enraged in anger that i travel from ibadan to onitsha to ask him to say it to my face.

Am going to say this slowly.... Religion exist when a con man meet gullible people who swallowed his lies, without asking question, they even help him propagate it.

my own be say dem no dey pay TAX.

Daughterzion:
Dont judge so you wont be judged. Leave it fnr God to handle

i am sure one of the pastor's "Free Area"

the said that religion is the opium of the masses, 70% of Nigerian pastors re business men, so what do u expect?

shadowgwalker:
don't mind this op ooh! if you really wanna give thanks to God, let it be from your heart. if you think it's not right then follow your heart.

whatever way 'a prophet ' deceives people, it's none of my business cos I know God is watching. He is the God of Justice.

one day a prophet will tell your sister to leave her husband and children to be with him so that 'power can enter her' all in the name of religiousity... Don't come here and rant, because i will tell u, 'don't judge'..

.. Sorry for the example.

Addicted2Women:
[size=16pt]Religion is fake.

Church is fake.

Jesus Christ is fake.

Mohammed is fake.

Hell is fake.

Heaven is fake.

When was Jesus Christ born ??
Was there any camera during his existence ??

How do you come up with the picture of an insane man dressed in White and red robe, who was born 6 million years ago when there was no camera and tell me this is Jesus Christ.

Fucck out of here with that bullshit[/size]

It's okay not to believe na, even the bible said we should choose who to serve. It is not by force mbok, all to his own.

Weeee:
I was at a Church today and I almost wept for the black race. Is it that people don't read their Bibles or they just choose to be gullible and stupid?

The Pastor or Prophet as he claimed he was always said that he isn't a beggar and he doesn't need anybody's money, but his actions were quite different. He acted like a beggar to me.

He was even so bold to request for so much money from his members and they saw nothing wrong at all. Okay, let me list all the money he collected so you can see for yourselves.

1) Who wants to give God the biggest note he/ she has in his/ her pocket?

2) Brown envelope.

3) White envelope.

4) Offering

5) Who wants to give money to the visiting Prophet? Tell the prophet thank you, Sow a seed now.

6) If you have 5000, 10,000 or any big amount of money you want to give to God.

Women came out mostly and I must say the church made almost N200, 000 or even more in just a day and this happens every Tuesday and other days they fellowship.

Things I noticed about the church...

1) The Pastor is an owner of a big car, while the members were mostly poor women and few men.

2) The Pastors dressed far better than the members. In fact, the members looked like people with lots of financial problems.

3) The only things the members get from these Pastors are prayers and a promise that God will reward them in 2016. I remember that I went to this same church some years back and the members still looked the same with no much of a change.

When will Nigerians get back to their senses to realize that these Pastors are using their beliefs, emotions and gullibility to steal all the money they have?

Only when we begin to think and come to a reasonable conclusion that God doesn't need money, but humans do, that is when we will begin to think right.

I wish I could take a video of what went on.

That's how it is o
That's why Sundays are my relaxation days...I spend it staying indoors and getting ready for another busy week not going to give one "Pastor" my hard earned currency

lilmax:
How do we build a church without money?

God doesn't need your money to build His church!! Worse still it is to decieve people to extort money from them. That is surely not God's style. I don't worship in such places, I have been warned.

That's what's called'monkey dey work,baboon dey chop'


Aliamdulilah that I'm a Muslim.

IamDarlington:
I smell lies!

Or sorry exaggeration!

But nonetheless these things happen.

But the best we can do is wail and lament on nairaland.

As a Christian you should know that no man can fight 4 God. God himself will reward them accordingly!

I don't think it's a lie cos I will never forget the day in church where everyone was asked to come out in groups depending on football clubs to give money in return for prayers.. I.e Man U, Chelsea and so on.... I was pissed off that I had to walk out of the church....

Weeee:
I was at a Church today and I almost wept for the black race. Is it that people don't read their Bibles or they just choose to be gullible and stupid?

The Pastor or Prophet as he claimed he was always said that he isn't a beggar and he doesn't need anybody's money, but his actions were quite different. He acted like a beggar to me.

He was even so bold to request for so much money from his members and they saw nothing wrong at all. Okay, let me list all the money he collected so you can see for yourselves.

1) Who wants to give God the biggest note he/ she has in his/ her pocket?

2) Brown envelope.

3) White envelope.

4) Offering

5) Who wants to give money to the visiting Prophet? Tell the prophet thank you, Sow a seed now.

6) If you have 5000, 10,000 or any big amount of money you want to give to God.

Women came out mostly and I must say the church made almost N200, 000 or even more in just a day and this happens every Tuesday and other days they fellowship.

Things I noticed about the church...

1) The Pastor is an owner of a big car, while the members were mostly poor women and few men.

2) The Pastors dressed far better than the members. In fact, the members looked like people with lots of financial problems.

3) The only things the members get from these Pastors are prayers and a promise that God will reward them in 2016. I remember that I went to this same church some years back and the members still looked the same with no much of a change.

When will Nigerians get back to their senses to realize that these Pastors are using their beliefs, emotions and gullibility to steal all the money they have?

Only when we begin to think and come to a reasonable conclusion that God doesn't need money, but humans do, that is when we will begin to think right.

I wish I could take a video of what went on.

It's nt new. Tho it's highly pathetic to see some acclaimed men of God do terrible things in church to take advantage of gullible member. I once attend a church in Ogun state around ewekore. D pastor always ask member to line up with their offerings. Ranging from #5000 a single row, #2000 a single row, #1000 single row. I had over #10000 but it sound stupid and uncalled for to stand and intimidate other members that have less amount.

God forgive us all.

I say. END TIME CHURCH.

missyadorable:



That's how it is o
That's why Sundays are my relaxation days...I spend it staying indoors and getting ready for another busy week not going to give one "Pastor" my hard earned currency

Not all churches are like that. You should find a good one close to you and fellowship with other believers so that you can be strengthened and also strengthen others. I had a similar challenge when I was working in Lagos. I eventually stopped going to church and was doing my Bible study at home. But when I got to Abuja I made sure to look for an assembly without all this deceit and I found one. There is really no perfect assembly but at least one without these financial heresies but with sound doctrine will do just fine. God will help you please don't be discouraged.

Incorruptible:
I can challenge You op that u dint attend any church.
Al these were coined out from what u have heard in order to defame Christianity.

when u as a reasonable person decides to leave your house naked on a Monday morning.. U trek from your house to the bus stop , and u discovered u are na.ked, u ran home, dressed up , as u are going out u started hearing people say... He is mad, others say is a ritualist, others say your village people are doing remix on your head.... U became angry.

Let me ask u who is to blame? U ? Or the community?

lilmax:
How do we build a church without money?

The "church" is not the building or d pastor but "The church" is the brethren or we myt as well say congregation

plaetton:

Shut up.
We should Also mind our business when we see you being robbed or raped. After all, it's god that judges.

You just said what I had in mind... No mind her

plaetton:


Shut up.

We should Also mind our business when we see you being robbed or raped.
After all, it's god that judges.

EPIC!!!

Lolssßssss. Touch my hands with 1000 Naira.

Amen.........

mrDennis:


do u believe in the existence of "gods" like sango, amadioha etc? do u believe native doctors , mami water , witches , wizards exist? do u believe charms work? if u believe any of the above exist but you do not believe GOD does then you need help.

and if you do not believe any of them exist then abeg pm me so we head to a shrine and you challenge the babalawo to a duel.

my only grouse with most churches request for money ... in my mum's church they would say e.g those who want to give God N5,000. should come out ..(they will pray for them and after taking their names and contact) call another set who Wants to give God 10,000 and so on.

suddenly people give not for giving but to show-off, compete with others , avoid shame for standing up for small money like 1-4k. etc . while those who can't give at all don't bother going to church until they have money to sow seeds and make vows .

Thanks so much. You asked if I believed in charms and babalowos and if I do I should believe in God.

If you go back to my post you should know that what I don't believe in is that God as portrayed by religious books cannot be the God that created the universe.

God as portrayed by religious books is a partial vengeful god who choses who will live and who will die. Who will be poor and who will be rich. A god that will command Samuel and king Saul to kill everyone in Amalek including babies.

As for shrines and deities, they are indeed powerful. But ask yourself; why did they allow the white man conquer Africa? Why are some of the things with these shrines and deities archaic such as killing twins?

You know what? Gods, shrines, deities, prophets, miracles etc are nothing but the forces of the universe in action. Gravity, electromagnetic waves and the nuclear forces. That's why the African deities are still active but cannot stop the white man because the white man knows the workings of these forces more than the African.

There is power behind the universe. We don't know if it's in human form or energies. But God as portrayed by the religions is pathetic.

Mrs0J:
Most women in my church are just there for fashion, best dressed, trimmed and sharp. Me sef don upgrade. My spirit left my church 2 yrs ago, am now an oh yes member.
Imagine asking each member to pay 20k for a day out with daddy G.O, meanwhile we have familes who lives in batcher housse and are struggling.

I have a feeling I know the church... church name please?

Religion is a scam

Addicted2Women:
[size=16pt]Religion is fake.

Church is fake.

Jesus Christ is fake.

Mohammed is fake.

Hell is fake.

Heaven is fake.

When was Jesus Christ born ??
Was there any camera during his existence ??

How do you come up with the picture of an insane man dressed in White and red robe, who was born 6 million years ago when there was no camera and tell me this is Jesus Christ.

Fucck out of here with that bullshit[/size]

izzy4shizzy:


The "church" is not the building or d pastor but "The church" is the brethren or we myt as well say congregation

Thank you. And that's not the only misconception in that sentence. What people describe as the church is actually a mixed multitude comprising of people who have heard that Jesus fed thousands and are hoping to come and get theirs. That's why your phone or even offering can get stolen in the church. A church goer is not necessarily a member of the Christ's body, the church.
The second misconception is for a mere mortal to suppose that he can grow the church! It's ridiculous to imagine. Three thousand were added to the church in Acts, in a single day! Not by money but by the power of the Holy Spirit. God does not need money to grow His church. Hard to understand but it's true. Can anything limit God? Money is just a controversial instrument. Sometimes God uses it, other times and I dare say most of times money is not required.

kirchofff:
Fella said it all in "suffering and smiling"

All said by baba 70

Christianity is still the best deception gifted to we Africans from the colonial bastards.......and wen u complain, they threaten you with the wrath of God........pastor's be deceiving church members as government is deceiving her citizens

Weeee:
I was at a Church today and I almost wept for the black race. Is it that people don't read their Bibles or they just choose to be gullible and stupid?

The Pastor or Prophet as he claimed he was always said that he isn't a beggar and he doesn't need anybody's money, but his actions were quite different. He acted like a beggar to me.

He was even so bold to request for so much money from his members and they saw nothing wrong at all. Okay, let me list all the money he collected so you can see for yourselves.

1) Who wants to give God the biggest note he/ she has in his/ her pocket?

2) Brown envelope.

3) White envelope.

4) Offering

5) Who wants to give money to the visiting Prophet? Tell the prophet thank you, Sow a seed now.

6) If you have 5000, 10,000 or any big amount of money you want to give to God.

Women came out mostly and I must say the church made almost N200, 000 or even more in just a day and this happens every Tuesday and other days they fellowship.

Things I noticed about the church...

1) The Pastor is an owner of a big car, while the members were mostly poor women and few men.

2) The Pastors dressed far better than the members. In fact, the members looked like people with lots of financial problems.

3) The only things the members get from these Pastors are prayers and a promise that God will reward them in 2016. I remember that I went to this same church some years back and the members still looked the same with no much of a change.

When will Nigerians get back to their senses to realize that these Pastors are using their beliefs, emotions and gullibility to steal all the money they have?

Only when we begin to think and come to a reasonable conclusion that God doesn't need money, but humans do, that is when we will begin to think right.

I wish I could take a video of what went on.

Nothing up there suggests that anyone is being forced to give.

"Who wants to give...?"
"If you have...and want to?"

It is not compulsory to give, I've never seen a 'Church' that forces its members to give; members ought to give wilfully. 2Cor 9:7


Giving is a gateway for more blessings, it is good to give willingly; the bible affirms it. 2Cor 9:6

As for the poor Church members, they are responsible for themselves, one is not poor without his own consent...and yes, poor people should give. Mark 12:42-44


Do you have a problem with people giving wilfully?

Daughterzion:
Dont judge so you wont be judged. Leave it fnr God to handle

This is an irresponsible and jonezing attitude

EZEIGBO1OFIMO:

I have a feeling I know the church... church name please?

Ur feeling might be right. Won't mention the church, it's still my church.

Abeg thread carefully. It may neither be here nor there. I know where you were headed but it's easy at the same time to misstep. I usually feel that way but at the same time I normally will refuse to complain. Leave them and God. Church needs money but the way some pastors go about it leave much to desire. But at the same time leave it to God.

lilmax:
How do we build a church without money?

You are either a pastor or a shareholder in a church

Daughterzion:
Dont judge so you wont be judged. Leave it fnr God to handle

thats where you get it wrong. . No one is judging, but we are just stating what we observe in churches today. A lot of adherents should learn to read their bibles so as not to be defrauded always.

INDUSTRIALFAN:
I don't think it's a lie cos I will never forget the day in church where everyone was asked to come out in groups depending on football clubs to give money in return for prayers.. I.e Man U, Chelsea and so on.... I was pissed off that I had to walk out of the church....

You kidding right? , drop offering depending on your football clubs....
Na that dey I go wear basketball jersey