This is a thread for Adepts, Initiates and Aspirants. If you have been initiated into a Mystical, Magickal, Spiritual or Holy Order do share your experiences. Whatever your paradigm, tell us about your initiatory experiences and your motivations if you can, if you have extra sensory perceptive abilities do share your stories, if you have supernatural or Magickal abilities this is the place to spill the beans. This is not a sermonizing thread for religious doctrine. I would like to hear from those who have the ability to peer behind the veil.

I will contribute with an initiatory experience of mine soon, all are welcome.

Thence, I call this thread, The Secret Garden.

So, Here goes...

Few will know that powerful and authentic magickal/mystical orders are not open for public membership, they do not advertise and you cannot apply to join them, rather, they come to get you.

And so it transpired that an event that began with me having a black hood chucked over my head and taken to a basement in that wonderfully narrow street that runs the length of old Zurich town culminated years later when I found myself standing at the ruins of a temple dedicated to virgins of the Sun at the Isla de la Luna, smack in the middle of Lake Titicaca in South America.

Upon satisfactory completion of the rites, I would attain a grade equivalent of “Adeptus Major”, In the “Toltec” Shaman system I was being initiated into, I would become a fully- fledged “Nagual” or, if you prefer, a Sorcerer.

Failure was not an option. I had been preparing for years, I had to hold the “lines of the world” and cross a bridge of my own awareness mindful of the terrible risk of falling into the abyss. It hadn’t been going particularly well, in a previous meditative exercise a few hours prior, I had sought to raise my vibratory pitch, I was stopped by the loud cries and shrieks of an elderly woman close by who fell to the ground, it turned out that in my anxiety I had inadvertently been pulling her spirit up through her head.

For perspective, I have undertaken various initiatory rites, including Qabalah “purification” process, however, the initiatory process into the Toltec system was the most arduous and difficult of all, it was in fact an ordeal, a rite of “unyielding intent”, intense focus and “doing”, specific actions had specific consequences, my perception of the world and my surroundings were to be incomparably and radically altered so much so, I would never again be the same.

I had been taught the proper way to “Look” and particularly how to “See” it took a great adjusting to. In deep transcendence I had met and been accepted by my great helper and protector, my animal spirit guide whom I thought I had met for five minutes, it turned out I had spent more than Twenty Four hours in its company, time had been strangely distorted. During this time, my animal spirit guide had allowed me to see the world through its eyes.

I'm all ears.

Continue please, we are learning.

I am on the process of the K and C of my HGA and I must admit it is a ride, I was told by an old friend that "it" is out there and not in fine print, hence my delve. I have done the reading.

The contemplating and reminiscing, the piety and cautions, the solitary confines and preparing for that communication, sometimes I wonder if I am ready or not. I try to customize as many a mage have done in the past, Crowley claims his was a 3week process, I don't know. Never have I been a big fan of beef, so it really doesn't matter. I just changed residence; I think it helps. Its tasking staying of alcoholic beverages because I like to indulge every now and then, but I must. I saw scripture in the Vedas for failed ritual processes I am taking them serious because I understand the dangers

In a short while I will be off all social contact.

Better part is I have learnt more than I ever have.

The story of my meeting my animal spirit guide which is indeed the Wolf is worthy of another thread. He is my helper, protector and would go to the ends of the world if I required it. I met him after ingesting a plant (which I will keep nameless) under specific tutelage, the experience for me was hallucinatory but I am assured by those who guided me that it was entirely lucid, to this day I am not entirely sure if I had those experiences in the human form, a spirit form or animal form, the experiences were so outlandish I am loathe to state them, the important thing from my point of view is that I met Wolf and he entirely accepted me and has remained with me ever since, he has never …ever let me down or refuse a polite request from me. I will say more about him a bit later.

In Toltec Shamanism the initiation is more akin to a “graduation”, you are taught for years by a Brujo or mentor if you will, and when he deems you have a backbone, he prepares you for the final ordeal. I had been accompanied by my mentor and joined by another initiate whom I had met (and left) in a catatonic state many years ago whilst he was experimenting with heavy metal rock records picking up subliminal messages only audible on reverse playback.(why?) But I don’t want to give the wrong impression, the gentleman is now chief exec of a major German multinational.

We meditated at the temple ruins, the noisy woman who’s spirit I had been yanking through the top of her head had picked herself off the floor, shot venomous looks in our direction, crossed herself and ran away. She had no idea what had befallen her, but her female intuition told her that somehow…we were responsible. My mentor’s words were, “shite happens”

I had been given two specific plants to ingest, one for the acquisition of power and the other for the provision of knowledge. The only method to acquire power is by entering a non-ordinary state of awareness, I was nervous, more by that fact that the other initiate had already been through the process and was there solely to ensure my safety.

Had I known what was in store for me, I would have gotten off that island quicker than you could say Robinson Crusoe.

FlipGamBino:
I am on the process of the K and C of my HGA and I must admit it is a ride, I was told by an old friend that "it" is out there and not in fine print, hence my delve. I have done the reading.

The contemplating and reminiscing, the piety and cautions, the solitary confines and preparing for that communication, sometimes I wonder if I am ready or not. I try to customize as many a mage have done in the past, Crowley claims his was a 3week process, I don't know. Never have I been a big fan of beef, so it really doesn't matter. I just changed residence; I think it helps. Its tasking staying of alcoholic beverages because I like to indulge every now and then, but I must. I saw scripture in the Vedas for failed ritual processes I am taking them serious because I understand the dangers

In a short while I will be off all social contact.

Better part is I have learnt more than I ever have.

Thanks for your contribution, your path is that of the "Warrior" you need to be impeccable and of unyielding intent, it can consume you but I can assure you it is well worth it.

The Men of Knowledge was a tradition I naively thought died down with the supremacy of the Aztecs, I thought the shamans (sorcerer and witches) had faded into the dark and left only a fragment of their culture to pass as folk.

I am amazed. There might be a lot to learn off you.

Question. How long are you prepared to keep going for? Say, you've been at it for 12 months and you haven't met or conversed with anything,
how long before you'd give up? Or would you just keep going for the rest of your life?

How will you know HGA is HGA if and when something occurs? Your mind could be playing tricks on you.

FlipGamBino:
I am on the process of the K and C of my HGA and I must admit it is a ride, I was told by an old friend that "it" is out there and not in fine print, hence my delve. I have done the reading.

The contemplating and reminiscing, the piety and cautions, the solitary confines and preparing for that communication, sometimes I wonder if I am ready or not. I try to customize as many a mage have done in the past, Crowley claims his was a 3week process, I don't know. Never have I been a big fan of beef, so it really doesn't matter. I just changed residence; I think it helps. Its tasking staying of alcoholic beverages because I like to indulge every now and then, but I must. I saw scripture in the Vedas for failed ritual processes I am taking them serious because I understand the dangers

In a short while I will be off all social contact.

Better part is I have learnt more than I ever have.

PastorAIO:
Question. How long are you prepared to keep going for? Say, you've been at it for 12 months and you haven't met or conversed with anything,
how long before you'd give up? Or would you just keep going for the rest of your life?

How will you know HGA is HGA if and when something occurs? Your mind could be playing tricks on you.

Ideally its an 18month process ( a lot are claiming it can be shorter ) thereafter a ritual follows. The intent to enter a state of "Grace". Thank you

FlipGamBino:
The Men of Knowledge was a tradition I naively thought died down with the supremacy of the Aztecs, I thought the shamans (sorcerer and witches) had faded into the dark and left only a fragment of their culture to pass as folk.

I am amazed. There might be a lot to learn off you.

It is truly alive and kicking although harder now to get a proper apprenticeship.

I thought I would digress a bit. Quite a few folks have often asked about the efficacies of obtaining money from spiritual sources and if it is feasible.

Here's what I know. There are very senior initiates in certain mystical orders, that I am aware of who carry out certain rites particularly for women. I have been present at such a rite in Nigeria also, a woman is introduced by a member asking for assistance, the ceremony takes place usually in private premises, the applicant in question is dis-robed and made to lie down in the middle of the you-know-what diagram.

An incision is made usually below the breast enough for just a trickle of blood and the applicant is made to recite the oath of dedication to a particular Egyptian goddess, on completing the oath, intercourse takes place with the applicant and the most senior officiating member who invokes the goddess and something is done with the discharge and the blood.

In a matter of days, the applicant begins to come into major sums of monies. A light re-dedication ceremony takes place every now and then. It is all seen as a bit of "fun" for members. For men, it's different....

What novel are you guys reading?.

Whatever you do,pls stay away from magic mushrooms o or oshogbo stuff.

Goodluck with your endeavours.

Sarassin:

I thought I would digress a bit. Quite a few folks have often asked about the efficacies of obtaining money from spiritual sources and if it is feasible.

Here's what I know. There are very senior initiates in certain mystical orders, that I am aware of who carry out certain rites particularly for women. I have been present at such a rite in Nigeria also, a woman is introduced by a member asking for assistance, the ceremony takes place usually in private premises, the applicant in question is dis-robed and made to lie down in the middle of the you-know-what diagram.

An incision is made usually below the breast enough for just a trickle of blood and the applicant is made to recite the oath of dedication to a particular Egyptian goddess, on completing the oath, intercourse takes place with the applicant and the most senior officiating member who invokes the goddess and something is done with the discharge and the blood.

In a matter of days, the applicant begins to come into major sums of monies. A light re-dedication ceremony takes place every now and then. It is all seen as a bit of "fun" for members. For men, it's different....

And what are, or could be, the unpleasant consequences?

BuddhaPalm:


And what are, or could be, the unpleasant consequences?

Don't tell me you truly believe that guy,I think he's an aspirant writer,just trying to explore his creative and imaginative side,hence I wished him good luck.

euromilion:


Don't tell me you truly believe that guy,I think he's an aspirant writer,just trying to explore his creative and imaginative side,hence I wished him good luck.

Lol, your earlier post cracked me pretty hard.

But you see, it's really easy to ridicule and scoff at things we don't understand.

There are deep mysteries in this world, and you don't know what you don't know...

euromilion:
Don't tell me you truly believe that guy,
I think he's an aspirant writer, just trying to explore his creative and imaginative side, hence I wished him good luck.

BuddhaPalm:
Lol, your earlier post cracked me pretty hard.
But you see, it's really easy to ridicule and scoff at things we don't understand.
There are deep mysteries in this world, and you don't know what you don't know...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKsAwoaCHyQ

BuddhaPalm:


And what are, or could be, the unpleasant consequences?

Quite possibly, unless the necessary caveats are put in the ritual, one could for instance lose a close member of family and inherit their wealth.

@Budhapalm

I am by no means scoff nor ridicule anyone,afterall I credited him for his imaginations,I am only raising a scam alert,he maybe/not telling the truth,but I as far as I know there's no such things.

The shamans that he referenced here many of them died off in poverty,the few that remain are in Australia(Aborigines)and guess what?they are so poor and repressed,if they have such power their case would've been different,and I can tell you that I've been initiated in some of the oldest orders in the world(global)if you know what that mean,and I can tell you that the only way out of poverty is to provide a service or sell something,few invent or inherit wealth,but not by/from any order.

Don't fall for any scam.

The Shamans died in poverty? and few that remain went to Australia? How did they get to Australia and without any money?

How do you measure poverty sef?

But leave that one aside that's not of much interest. What nonsense are you saying here? let me repeat you:
the only way out of poverty is to provide a service or sell something

Who taught you such nonsense? Nikola Tesla that gave us the electricity that we are all using today (AC), didn't he die in poverty?

Tim Berners Lee that gave us the internet that we're all using today, how much money did he make from it? Zero.

Van Gogh whose paintings sell for millions today, didn't he die in poverty.

My bros there is no correlation between providing a service and escaping poverty.

euromilion:
@Budhapalm

I am by no means scoff nor ridicule anyone,afterall I credited him for his imaginations,I am only raising a scam alert,he maybe/not telling the truth,but I as far as I know there's such things.

The shamans that he referenced here many of them died off in poverty,the few that remain are in Australia and guess what?they are so poor and repressed,if they have such power their case would've been different,and I can tell you that I've been initiated in some of the oldest orders in the world(global)if you know what that mean,and I can tell you that the only way out of poverty is to provide a service or sell something,few invent or inherit wealth,but not by/from any order.

Don't fall for any scam.

euromilion:
@Budhapalm

I am by no means scoff nor ridicule anyone,afterall I credited him for his imaginations,I am only raising a scam alert,he maybe/not telling the truth,but I as far as I know there's no such things.

The shamans that he referenced here many of them died off in poverty,the few that remain are in Australia(Aborigines)and guess what?they are so poor and repressed,if they have such power their case would've been different,and I can tell you that I've been initiated in some of the oldest orders in the world(global)if you know what that mean,and I can tell you that the only way out of poverty is to provide a service or sell something,few invent or inherit wealth,but not by/from any order.

Don't fall for any scam.

Some Shaman’s I referred to might have died in poverty and some may or may not have emigrated to Australia, but you should be under no illusions Shamanism is alive and kicking if you know where to look. Societies do have different values, it is a western societal perversion that equates abilities and power with money as you so evidently do. I served a 36 Months apprenticeship almost Thirty years ago learning the way of the warrior, it never cost me a cent, admittedly I picked a hell of a lot of watermelons as payment for my keep!

Most of the truly gifted people I have met would not suffer you for One Euro, why? Because the understanding of the basic tenet exists that money belongs to the Divine, if you are in alignment with the Divine, your needs are met. If as you say you have indeed been initiated all over the globe, why not tell us of your experiences too? I am particularly keen to learn if you have ever met an extremely wealthy Holy Man.

I am well chuffed you think I am an “aspiring” writer.

I respect your intentions,but spirituality doesn't mix with materiality,the moment you mentioned money and sex in your text,I began to question your authenticity.

A true initiates doesn't discuss initiation with cowans especially not on social media,besides I've had many initiations into different orders in different countries including London and Nigeria and the rules are almost the same,no blood nor sex was involved,I've by no means seen anyone that was made rich by any order except otherwise.

@pastoraio

I usually don't talk to rude people,but I'll give you a benefit of doubt,one can make a point without disrespecting the other,however,Time has changed,every inventor are rewarded bountifully now.Those names you mentioned may've been poor due to time or other reasons best known to them,not because they didn't have sex with a priest or whatever.

Anyway,I don't have energy to type on forum let alone argue on the net.

I think it's best you believe what you believe,and I know what I know.

Peace.

euromilion:
I respect your intentions,but spirituality doesn't mix with materiality,the moment you mentioned money and sex in your text,I began to question your authenticity.

A true initiates doesn't discuss initiation with cowans especially not on social media,besides I've had many initiations into different orders in different countries including London and Nigeria and the rules are almost the same,no blood nor sex was involved,I've by no means seen anyone that was made rich by any order except otherwise.

Peace.

I have no issues with you doubting my authenticity, For clarification I would just say that nowhere have I stated that Money, Sex or Blood are integral to any initiation. Where I did mention them I was referring to a Ceremonial Magic ritual.

And whilst I would keep key elements privy, the Shaman system is not shrouded in mystery or bound by oaths.

We are all different and the details of our struggles will differ. My mentor had taught me the Shaman method of “dreaming” and what I can only loosely refer to as working with the “double” I will share this experience.

One particular day after our exercises I had fallen asleep in one of the work-sheds, I woke up to the sounds of footsteps approaching and in order not to be found asleep at an inopportune time In the windowless shed, I got up and hid some distance away from the shed, it then occurred to me that I had left my satchel containing notes where I had previously been asleep, anyone could simply walk off with it, I looked across to the shed to where I had been sleeping a few moments ago, I nearly crapped myself with the fright of my life, there I was…fast asleep.

Gingerly, I touched my awakened self, it was me, I slapped my own face, it hurt yet I looked across and there I was totally zonked out, the people I wanted to hide from approached my sleeping self and walked right past as if I didn’t exist. At this point, I was losing my mind and began to scream, I “woke” up to find myself in the shed I had been sleeping….thankfully, it had been a dream, but then, the people I had seen approaching me in my sleep had continued on their way and I could still hear them talking. I caught up to them and asked if they had seen anyone asleep in the shed as they walked past, they could not have failed to, they said no, not a soul.

This was my very first experience in encountering my double.

Sarassin:


I have no issues with you doubting my authenticity, For clarification I would just say that nowhere have I stated that Money, Sex or Blood are integral to any initiation. Where I did mention them I was referring to a Ceremonial Magic ritual.

And whilst I would keep key elements privy, the Shaman system is not shrouded in mystery or bound by oaths.

I understand,and in this ceremonial magic ritual were you guys sitting,watching and your priest consummate the ladies?.

I however do not know much shamanism,except for a young South African boy I came across sometime ago,who tried to educate me about it,his grandfather was a priest in the order,he mentioned the use of magic mushrooms and etc,other than that I don't know much.

Am sorry if I came across as rude or ignorant,it was not my intentions,all part lead to God.

Peace.

euromilion:


I understand,and in this ceremonial magic ritual were you guys sitting,watching and your priest consummate the ladies?.

I however do not know much shamanism,except for a young South African boy I came across sometime ago,who tried to educate me about it,his grandfather was a priest in the order,he mentioned the use of magic mushrooms and etc,other than that I don't know much.

Am sorry if I came across as rude or ignorant,it was not my intentions,all part lead to God.

Peace.

No harm done. As I understood it, the CM ritual was not a common occurrence, the lady in question (and it was just One) had been sponsored by a senior practitioner. Other members stood and gave assent during the invocation. It really is not my cup of tea. The main order of the day had been to present grade confirmation papers to an acquaintance.

Shamanism is not really an order per se, it is more, a way of life and it is in fact the truest form of sorcery, yes, there is some use of hallucinogenics but only under predetermined parameters and never recreationally.

and so...

I have brought up the experiences with “dreaming” and the “double” because unless one has knowledge of such an experience it will be downright impossible to accept what transpired in the final moments of my initiation, as it was for me.

My mentor and I discussed what had happened during that initial encounter, I was told that next time I had to “act”. It was a fair few months before I had the definitive experience with my double and it was that experience that directly led to my mentor taking the decision to prepare me for the initiation.

Sarassin:
and so...
I have brought up the experiences with “dreaming” and the “double” because unless one has knowledge of such an experience it will be downright impossible to accept what transpired in the final moments of my initiation, as it was for me.
My mentor and I discussed what had happened during that initial encounter, I was told that next time I had to “act”. It was a fair few months before I had the definitive experience with my double and it was that experience that directly led to my mentor taking the decision to prepare me for the initiation.

And that was my shock to discover that the Toltec tradition still existed, my understanding then was it passes from generation to the next verbally as a man teaching his "son" a skill, not a lot of documentation involved and the likes. Similar to "hunting" or "herb picking". I know that the Jews practiced some sort of folk tradition of worship before the instituting of monotheism, but concepts like folk die quite quickly; So finding out that they still exist is a marvel.

Sarassin:

No harm done. As I understood it, the CM ritual was not a common occurrence, the lady in question (and it was just One) had been sponsored by a senior practitioner. Other members stood and gave assent during the invocation. It really is not my cup of tea. The main order of the day had been to present grade confirmation papers to an acquaintance.
Shamanism is not really an order per se, it is more, a way of life and it is in fact the truest form of sorcery, yes, there is some use of hallucinogenics but only under predetermined parameters and never recreationally.

And that was my shock to discover that the Toltec tradition still existed, my understanding then was it passes from generation to the next verbally as a man teaching his "son" a skill, not a lot of documentation involved and the likes. Similar to "hunting" or "herb picking". I know that the Jews practiced some sort of folk tradition of worship before the instituting of monotheism, but concepts like folk die quite quickly; So finding out that they still exist is a marvel.

I would've thought that sex and rituals doesn't go together as they contradict each other,even the Catholic Church understand this,that's why they must take oat of celibacy before priesthood.

Sex is considered unholy by spiritualists,except for yogis,however ejaculations are not needed.

FlipGamBino:
And that was my shock to discover that the Toltec tradition still existed, my understanding then was it passes from generation to the next verbally as a man teaching his "son" a skill, not a lot of documentation involved and the likes. Similar to "hunting" or "herb picking". I know that the Jews practiced some sort of folk tradition of worship before the instituting of monotheism, but concepts like folk die quite quickly; So finding out that they still exist is a marvel.

You are quite right. The Toltec tradition was and has been passed down as a way of life. Knowledge was passed on to “outsiders” as a means of preserving certain aspects of the tradition, mainly because many of the younger generation simply upped and moved away and were not interested in the dedication required to become a Man of Knowledge particularly as you pointed out with nothing written down. I have found it a fascinating, enriching and empowering tradition.