MrPresident1:


Lamentations 2:1
How hath the LORD covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger!

The primogenitor of the Yoruba race, Oduduwa, is said to have climbed down from heaven in a chain, an allegory for defeat and slavery (chains and coming from heaven). The oral folklores have preserved heritage to an extent, but many ancient Israelites yet do not even know themselves or have the reality of their ancient heritage

Jeremiah 17:4
And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever

Impressive. Yet, you've only presented one circumstantial "evidence". Those Bible verses could have referred to some other race. Any other weighty proof to nail this interesting proposition.

66Kazna99:


Bro please assist me, how do I ask for the filling of the Holy Spirit of God? My life is a train wreck right now & I honestly don't know what to do or who to turn to. I feel like my existence is nothing but a burden & everything is my fault. Like maybe everything would be normal if I just killed myself. Every day is a struggle with anxiety, depression, rejections, deceit, insults both to my face & behind my back, people smiling through their teeth like they "know" & think I don't notice, sometimes I can't even distinguish between a genuine, sincere compliment or statement or if it's an elaborate joke. I just want to be whisked away off the face of the Earth just so I no longer have to bother anybody.

Bro, first and foremost, there is nothing God cannot do, so no matter what it takes you must be prepared and ready to trust in Him. Life is not a bed of roses for anybody, we all have our personal battles, but one sure thing is this, never ever accept defeat from satan, you are victorious because the owner of the universe declares you so. Suicide will never be an option, pray to God, He hears prayer, and even if responses are delayed, you must know that it is all for our personal good, God is never late, and He makes all things beautiful in its time.

Put your mind at rest, and delight to do God's will always, it comes with a promise, that He will give you the desires of your heart Psalms 34:7. Weeping may endure for the night but joy will surely come in the morning, cast all your burden on Him, He cares for you, and let Philippians 4:16 comfort you.

Pray for the Holy Spirit, He is available to all who ask in sincerity, James 1:5

pressplay411:


Lol
Please quote any scientific part of the bible for us biko.
Or is it the part that tells you your mind is in your heart?
In waiting.

I did not register on Nairaland to answer your questions, so you must see this as a privilege, Ok?

Amos 5:8, is your education familiar with convection currents?

Volksfuhrer:


Impressive. Yet, you've only presented one circumstantial "evidence". Those Bible verses could have referred to some other race. Any other weighty proof to nail this interesting proposition.

Ancient Israelites were darkskinned or black, Lamentations 4:8, 5:10

Oral folklore says Oduduwa was a woman, Revelation 12:14

She came from the east, Genesis 2:8

You will need to come to personal realization all by yourself, I can only point to the way

MrPresident1:


I did not register on Nairaland to answer your questions, so you must see this as a privilege, Ok?

Amos 5:8, is your education familiar with convection currents?

Lol my point exactly. It doesn't exist.

pressplay411:


Lol my point exactly. It doesn't exist.

MrPresident1:


Ancient Israelites were darkskinned or black, Lamentations 4:8, 5:10

Oral folklore says Oduduwa was a woman, Revelation 12:14

She came from the east, Genesis 2:8

You will need to come to personal realization all by yourself, I can only point to the way

How can you be so far reaching by trying to connect Jewish heritage with Yoruba?
Please just stop.

MrPresident1:

So just accept religious doctrines/beliefs exclusively from scientific facts.
I believe science is to the physical as religion is to the spiritual.

pressplay411:


How can you be so far reaching by trying to connect Jewish heritage with Yoruba?
Please just stop.

Look here, fella, this is my thread, if you cannot reason past ancient brainwashing, keep it moving, there are at least a millon other threads on this forum, all open to you.

Oduduwa is an ancient Israelite, the Yoruba race is a church, jew and gentile, Israel and aborigine, if you do not believe me and are unwilling to make your own research, then simply, it is not in you.

Lamentations 2:9 says her king and princes are among the gentiles.

pressplay411:


So just accept religious doctrines/beliefs exclusively from scientific facts.
I believe science is to the physical as religion is to the spiritual.

I give you a verse showing how convection is responsible for rainfall, how the rotation of the earth is responsible for night and day, a verse also showing that the writers of the Bible knew about Orion, Pleaides, and Acturus, yet you insist on ignorance.

if the Bible was written by cave dwelling shepherds and normads, does Fulani herdsmen know about convection currents, or rotation/revolution of the earth around the sun, or do they know about Orion, Acturus, and Pleaides?

Milo30:
Are you teaching on the spirit, soul and body of man or the descendants of David? What do you mean by saying the animals are souls that aren't merged with God's Spirit? The Word is Jesus Christ (John 1:1-12) not the Holy Spirit. How can you say that Israelis are not the Israelites of the bible? That they are 'imposters'? Are you also saying that we (Nigerians) are the real Israelites (Judah being Negro and all that) ? Your explanation of Rev. 12:14 is sad. Read it from verse 4 down to 14. Your write doesn't match your topic and your teaching is misleading. You isolate specific chapters and verses to support your inference, failing to cover complete meaning. You use the bible to support your points instead of the other way around.

Right here's your answer everyone.
There's nothing valuable in this topic and post. To your tents.

MrPresident1:


Look here, fella, this is my thread, if you cannot reason past ancient brainwashing, keep it moving, there are at least a millon other threads on this forum, all open to you.

Oduduwa is an ancient Israelite, the Yoruba race is a church, jew and gentile, Israel and aborigine, if you do not believe me and are unwilling to make your own research, then simply, it is not in you.

Lamentations 2:9 says her king and princes are among the gentiles.

Sorry I stumbled on your thread but I just can't let your misconception go.
Did d bible tell you that the earth was formed by odufuwa throwing sand to a hen that kept spreading it till the world was formed? No, IFA taught you that. So don't put IFA and Christianity in the same vein. That a concoction that won't week.

MrPresident1:


I give you a verse showing how convection is responsible for rainfall, how the rotation of the earth is responsible for night and day, a verse also showing that the writers of the Bible knew about Orion, Pleaides, and Acturus, yet you insist on ignorance.

if the Bible was written by cave dwelling shepherds and normads, do Fulani herdsmen know about convection currents, or rotation/revolution of the earth around the sun, or do they know Orion, Acturus, and Pleaides?

Convection/Conduction/Radiation are all natural phenomena that occur and there's nothing spiritual about that. Just like rain and lightning and snow etc
And astronomy/astrology have long existed even before biblical times so mentioning the names of stars doesn't make the bible a scientific reference.

I remain adamant in my conclusion that you just cannot mix the immiscible. Science and religion are mutually exclusive.

Hydronium:


Right here's your answer everyone.
There's nothing valuable in this topic and post. To your tents.

I showed you scriptural evidence, I have also shown you cultural and scientific evidence you see nothing valuable here? You better speak for yourself, your ignorance and unwillingness to learn is your problem alone.

Proverbs 21:16
The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead

MrPresident1:
Lamentations 2:9

9 Her gates are sunk into the ground; he hath destroyed and broken her bars: her king and her princes are among the Gentiles: the law is no more; her prophets also find no vision from the Lord.



Her king and her princes are among the gentiles, they were all dispersed into the wilderness. The descendants of king David are in Nigeria because Judah is in Nigeria/West Africa.

the tribe of judah must be the ipob

pressplay411:


Convection/Conduction/Radiation are all natural phenomena that occur and there's nothing spiritual about that. Just like rain and lightning and snow etc
And astronomy/astrology have long existed even before biblical times so mentioning the names of stars doesn't make the bible a scientific reference.

I remain adamant in my conclusion that you just cannot mix the immiscible. Science and religion are mutually exclusive.

Your opinion, your conclusion, nothing wrong in having a personal opinion and coming to a personal conclusion.

Can you discus Orion, Acturus, pleaides, rotation/revolution of the earth, water cycle/convection with a Fulani herdsman? The point being the writers of the Bible knew about it and wrote about it. It shatters your small comfort zone and previous belief that the Bible was written by cave men. Fulani cattle herds men are more advanced than cavemen can you discus the stories in heaven (Amos 9:6) with them?

My job here is to point the way, to show the diligent seeker how to catch fish not to feed him with fish, I point the way. Many have started their own personal research and illumination will continue.

Jesusloveyou:
the tribe of judah must be the ipob

You must see everything in terms of your ipob nightmare

MrPresident1:
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The word of God is the spirit of God. The Word quickens, enlivens, enlightens, illuminates and rejuvenates. The Breath of God is the Spirit of God and is the Word of God. The story of the Bible is not the story of the creation of mankind, it is the story of the creation of Man in the image and likeness of God: the elevation of the soul of man to the realm of God.

John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Therefore the creation story of Adam is not the story of the creation of mankind, rather it is the story of the creation of man from mankind. It was the fitting of the souls of man with the spirit of God, the Word of God is the spirit of God.
The creation of Adam was the introduction of the Word/Law of God to Man which made man, hitherto a dead soul, to become a living breathing active soul. This is what is presented symbolically as God ‘breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

You can twist scriptures all you want to satisfy your imaginations, but that doesn't diminish the truth. God formed man out of the dust and breathed into man the breath of life, and man became a living soul, just like other animals previously created by God. The difference between man and other animals is that God made man in his image, He gave man freewill to make his own choices,and also gave man dominion over all other animals, but eventually man and animals will die and face the same fate of non-existence. Man is not a spirit, man is mortal and that is what man is. The day a man dies he dies in his entirety living no part existing in some kind of mysterious spiritual life, the idea that man survives the death of the body was introduced by the Devil when he told Eve that she will not die, but will go on and be a god. So stop all these heretics and accept that you are a mere mortal, the only hope that man has after death is "resurrection", it is a real physical calling back to life one who was dead, something Jesus practically gave us insight when He performed a couple of Resurrection miracle. When you tell yourself the truth about the mortality of man, then the resurrection hope will have a real meaning to you.

maximunimpact:


You can twist scriptures all you want to satisfy your imaginations, but that doesn't diminish the truth. God formed man out of the dust and breathed into man the breath of life, and man became a living soul, just like other animals previously created by God. The difference between man and other animals is that God made man in his image, He gave man freewill to make his own choices,and also gave man dominion over all other animals, but eventually man and animals his die and face the same fate of non-existence. Man is not a spirit, man is mortal and that is what man is. The day a man dies he dies in his entirety living no part existing in some kind of mysterious spiritual life, the idea that man survives the death of the body was introduced by the Devil when he told Eve that she will not die, but will go on and be a god. So stop all these heretics and accept that you are a mere mortal, the only hope that man has after death is "resurrection", it is a real physical calling back to life one who was dead, something Jesus practically gave us insight when He performed a couple of Resurrection miracle. When you tell yourself the truth about the mortality of man, then the resurrection hope will have a real meaning to you.

Read, and stop hyperventilating.

Adam and Eve died spiritually, meaning they lost connection with God, if the breathe of God ceases in you you die. You die a spiritual mental death.

Much of what you have written is just bollocks, read and stop spreading ignorance.

MrPresident1:


Read, and stop hyperventilating.

Adam and Eve died spiritually, meaning they lost connection with God, if the breathe of God ceases in you you die. You die a spiritual mental death.

Much of what you have written is just bollocks, read and stop spreading ignorance.

Romans 2:21 - you then who teach others, do you not teach yourself?........ exactly what am i going to read? is it the falsehood promoting satan's religion? You will be better of taking Romans 2:21 to heart, please what is death? i think your apostasy has alot to do with your understanding of death, maybe you can start from there.

maximunimpact:


Romans 2:21 - you then who teach others, do you not teach yourself?........ exactly what am i going to read? is it the falsehood promoting satan's religion? You will be better of taking Romans 2:21 to heart, please what is death? i think your apostasy has alot to do with your understanding of death, maybe you can start from there.

I have been arguing nice morning. I feel tired, I now want to read. I cannot engage you now, there are a million other threads you can click on.

MrPresident1:


I explained already. Have you heard of Oduduwa the progenitor of the Yoruba race who climbed down from heaven with a chain? Read Lamentations 2:1

Judah is in West Africa/Nigeria.

I don't want myths, I want historical and scientific facts

MrPresident1:


I have been arguing nice morning. I feel tired, I now want to read. I cannot engage you now, there are a million other threads you click on.

I don't argue scriptures, i search the truth with willing hearts. You have been arguing probably because of ignorance. The truth is not hard to find, guys like you only make it complicated when you go beyond what is written - 1 Corinthians 4:6.

BraniacX:


I don't want myths, I want historical and scientific facts

I did not sign on Nairaland to answer your questions, I am not under any obligation to answer your questions, any responses you get from me is your privilege.

Your questions are all answered in the body of the thread.

maximunimpact:


I don't argue scriptures, i search the truth with willing hearts. You have been arguing probably because of ignorance. The truth is not hard to find, guys like you only make it complicated when you go beyond what is written - 1 Corinthians 4:6.

Blah blah blah, your point is well noted.

*yawns*

MrPresident1:


I did not sign on Nairaland to answer your questions, I am not under any obligation to answer your questions, any responses you get from me is your privilege.

Your questions are all answered in the body of the thread.

I never said you were obliged to answer me, i'm just saying from an academic point of view, i'll like you to establish your opinion as a fact

BraniacX:


I never said you were obliged to answer me, i'm just saying from an academic point of view, i'll like you to establish your opinion as a fact

Ok my friend.

Using Yoruba folktale/mythology

Oduduwa came from heaven, Oduduwa was a woman, Oduduwa came from the east, Oduduwa came down from heaven via a chain, Oduduwa was a victim of warfare; these all bear direct correlation with Israel, the woman and wife of God.

Get, Olodumare: God in Yoruba belief by Reverend Bolaji Idowu, and History of the Yorubas by Reverend Samuel Johnson, get a very good reference KJV Bible too, you will be amazed.

If you have any questions you can post it. Also I have a thread here that can help you to understand the prophetic books Isaiah Jeremiah Ezekiel and Daniel, those books have the key to the Bible, you can look up the thread.

pressplay411:


Convection/Conduction/Radiation are all natural phenomena that occur and there's nothing spiritual about that. Just like rain and lightning and snow etc
And astronomy/astrology have long existed even before biblical times so mentioning the names of stars doesn't make the bible a scientific reference.

I remain adamant in my conclusion that you just cannot mix the immiscible. Science and religion are mutually exclusive.

this might help you

http://coldcasechristianity.com/2013/is-the-astronomy-in-the-book-of-job-scientifically-consistent/

MrPresident1:


Ok my friend.

Using Yoruba folktale/mythology

Oduduwa came from heaven, Oduduwa was a woman, Oduduwa came from the east, Oduduwa came down from heaven via a chain, Oduduwa was a victim of warfare; these all bear direct correlation with Israel, the woman and wife of God.

Get, Olodumare: God in Yoruba belief by Reverend Bolaji Idowu, and History of the Yorubas by Reverend Samuel Johnson, get a very good reference KJV Bible too, you will be amazed.

If you have any questions you can post it. Also I have a thread here that can help you to understand the prophetic books Isaiah Jeremiah Ezekiel and Daniel, those books have the key to the Bible, you can look up the thread.

Okay

I'll look them (the books) up

But you'll permit me to critique if any theory doesn't add up.

BraniacX:


Okay

I'll look them (the books) up

But you'll permit me to critique if any theory doesn't add up.

Bros, your critique will add to my arsenal, I am fully convinced that the story of Oduduwa is the story of Israel.

I am very eager to see what you will dig up on this matter

Adaowerri111:



this might help you

http://coldcasechristianity.com/2013/is-the-astronomy-in-the-book-of-job-scientifically-consistent/

God bless you deareest sister, your link is a very informative one.

Let the doubters go and discuss Acturus and Pleaides with Fulani herdsmen and see what they get since the Bible was written by ancient herdsmen.

MrPresident1:


The church is an admixture of jew and gentile, among the Igbos are ancient israelites, among the Yoruba are ancient Israelites, in Christ Jesus is neither jew nor gentile but one fold and one shepherd, Jesus Christ the shepherd.

Are you saying not all Yoruba are Israelites?