This is Looking like a tennis match, ya'll just going back and forth... image123 good Job. Something kept coming to me reading through the thread,
Matthew 11:21- "Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

It's pointless arguing, let the Holy Spirit do the convicting, you have done your best, intercede on their behalf.
My 2 cents

AnalyticEngine:
My major contention is, why hasn't an amputated arm or leg ever been healed? I have never heard or read of it. OP, over to u

You are more concerned about Amputee than being raised from the death?

AnalyticEngine:


I used to be a strong christian. I have even preached in church, led bible study, gone for evangelism and led prayer meetings etc. on several occasions. I can confidently say I was more than an average christian...but then certain things just did not add up. The only answer to those troubling questions is that religion is a complete hoax

Bros I think you use to be a church goer with no relationship with Christ at all.
Let me ask you this, Were you born again all through this time you were a 'strong Christian? " if yes, What was your Testimony of redemption? Every true born again christian must have one. If you dont have, then you were just in church. Church attendance, being a worker, praying often(which could even be praying amiss), speaking in Tongues, doesn't qurantee you were a christian.

This guy, Juda, you remember him? He was an APOSTLE, of Christ, not Disciple oo. He was present with Christ the whole time, coming and going. Eating, drinking, sleeping in the room with Christ. Listened to all the teachings, to outsiders Christ spoke in Parables, to him, Christ spoke to in plan language, he witnessed all the signs and wonders. He ate the multiplied bread.

When Christ sent them out for soul winning, he went also.
when they were endued with power to heal the sick cast out demons, he recieved the power too.

But guess what? Just like you, he fell out. So pls sir, shift.

It didn't start with you, it won't end with you.

The seed of Satan is planted right in the midst of God's children.

Do you know why that is?

So that when you come out from amongst us and say all these trash, the feeble minded will say, "O yea, it's true, after all, this one was an insider".
Christianity is a relationship sir. Rituals of activism.
Speaking and God speaking back to you.
If I may ask, what are these things which didn't add up?

Anas09:

You are more concerned about Amputee than being raised from the death?

How many of your dead friends and relatives have been raised from the dead?

Pyrrho:
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You guys should please stop all these long epistles you write to gain sympathizers for your belief.

Afterall the Bible says, "how would they believe without signs"?

Prove yourself to yourself first. Stop all the mere saying.

In case you haven't noticed, the Bible days are gone or never truly happened. It is just a matter of time before you begin to accept this fact.

It is a bitter pill to swallow. Nothing of the Bible era is working right now. It is instructed that sick people should go to the elders of the church to get healing. Can you try that and not look like a fool?

Look around you. Do you know what is expected of the church and christians?
Have you, in fact, done anything extraordinary?

Your faith ends the day you really start being true to yourself.

Compared to Nietzsche, you are a toy. Go ask Google what Nietzsche said would happen to Christianity. I laugh at your ignorance.
Satan has fought so very much to exterminate Christianity, he failed, he conjured up a scheme to weaken it from within by infiltrating it with false doctrine, the Church is waxing strong.
When you say "nothing of the Bible ear is happening now", does it include healing the sick and raising the dead?
because just yesterday, being 25th of May 2016, a girl of 8 died. She came home from school on Friday last week complaining she wasn't feeling well, What is wrong with you, she kept saying "I don't know" .
the parents took it lightly thinking she wanted undue attention, being the only girl. But she wouldn't eat, couldn't stand. Self medication was administered. Just yesterday that child died, like joke, it happened. Her father being a pastor, understood what pranks Satan was out to play, cast the demon of untimely death out of her, she came back to life, she was rushed to the hospital, the doctors said it was too late, they won't accept her so that she won't die in their hands. The Child become as white as a sheet of paper.
As they were running around, I was holding the supernatural down. Today, that Child is alive. This morning she has accepted food. Praise the Lord Jesus.
I, typing this, but is a living witness of Devine healing.
Go ahead and say all the stupid things you know to say, but we have our testimonies.

dalaman:


How many of your dead friends and relatives have been raised from the dead?

I was raised from the dead. Just yesterday, Damaris Amarachi Grant-James, was raised from the dead. Just yesterday, 25thMay 2016.

Anas09:

I was raised from the dead. Just yesterday, Damaris Amarachi Grant-James, was raised from the dead. Just yesterday, 25thMay 2016.

What is your proof that you rose from death and who exactly is Damaris Amarachi Grant-James?

Pyrrho:
Sometimes I think the likes of you, Ebuka and malvis are just on a quest to ridicule christianity.

A simple proposition, you are floating in mere words.

You claim your beliefs have been scrutinized, or you believe they can survive scrutiny?

What are you saying?

Can you present objective evidences to satisfy the my scepticism?

Hahahahahahahaha. See this Google atheist. I need to present any evidence about my beliefs to you satisfy your scepticism, why? Wow, what a Catch. Nwa, Jesus appear right now and show yourself to this your God here so that his scepticism will be satisfied, failure to do so, will be tantamount to losing your divinity.

Who do you think you are this boy?
You must think you are indeed a some guy? You must really think am crushed by your scepticism.
Guy, if the whole world decides to reject Christ, nothing will deminish in him. Enjoy your glorious scepticism.
JUST NEGODU!!!.

Anas09:

Compared to Nietzsche, you are a toy. Go ask Google what Nietzsche said would happen to Christianity. I laugh at your ignorance.
Satan has fought so very much to exterminate Christianity, he failed, he conjured up a scheme to weaken it from within by infiltrating it with false doctrine, the Church is waxing strong.
When you say "nothing of the Bible ear is happening now", does it include healing the sick and raising the dead?
because just yesterday, being 25th of May 2016, a girl of 8 died. She came home from school on Friday last week complaining she wasn't feeling well, What is wrong with you, she kept saying "I don't know" .
the parents took it lightly thinking she wanted undue attention, being the only girl. But she wouldn't eat, couldn't stand. Self medication was administered. Just yesterday that child died, like joke, it happened. Her father being a pastor, understood what pranks Satan was out to play, cast the demon of untimely death out of her, she came back to life, she was rushed to the hospital, the doctors said it was too late, they won't accept her so that she won't die in their hands. The Child become as white as a sheet of paper.
As they were running around, I was holding the supernatural down. Today, that Child is alive. This morning she has accepted food. Praise the Lord Jesus.
I, typing this, but is a living witness of Devine healing.
Go ahead and say all the stupid things you know to say, but we have our testimonies.

Don't mind these kindergarten copy and paste lot. Their daddy Frederick Nietzsche ran mad at last after his "God is dead" shenanigans.

The reason atheists continually demand regeneration of an amputee's limb as the ultimate proof of divine healing, is simply because it is scientifically impossible.

Among the plethora of amputees across the world, surely God will find one worthy of such a miracle in the future but till it happens, I remain an atheist because most miracles can be explained when placed under proper scrutiny.

Anas09:

Hahahahahahahaha. See this Google atheist. I need to present any evidence about my beliefs to you satisfy your scepticism, why? Wow, what a Catch. Nwa, Jesus appear right now and show yourself to this your God here so that his scepticism will be satisfied, failure to do so, will be tantamount to losing your divinity.

Who do you think you are this boy?
You must think you are indeed a some guy? You must really think am crushed by your scepticism.
Guy, if the whole world decides to reject Christ, nothing will deminish in him. Enjoy your glorious scepticism.
JUST NEGODU!!!.

Onye agha Jesus! One day, the scales will fall off your eyes

Anas09:

I was raised from the dead. Just yesterday, Damaris Amarachi Grant-James, was raised from the dead. Just yesterday, 25thMay 2016.

I created the universe.

dalaman:


I created the universe.

Weldone.

GeneralShepherd:


Onye agha Jesus! One day, the scales will fall off your eyes

Yea, I wish I can be more than a Warrior for Jesus. If you know what he has done for me, even you will become a Warrior yaself.
The scales fell off some years ago, now it's your turn.

Image123:


Don't mind these kindergarten copy and paste lot. Their daddy Frederick Nietzsche ran mad at last after his "God is dead" shenanigans.

They dodn't learn. It's a total waste of time talking to this lot.

hahn:


What is your proof that you rose from death and who exactly is Damaris Amarachi Grant-James?

I need to prove anything to you? No, you are not worth it.
Damaris Amarachi Grant-James is an 8years old girl, who was brought back from the dead yesterday.
Guy, you don't need to believe it. I no send you.

Anas09:

Yea, I wish I can be more than a Warrior for Jesus. If you know what he has done for me, even you will become a Warrior yaself.
The scales fell off some years ago, now it's your turn.

I lost my God delusions 4 years ago.

GeneralShepherd:


I lost my God delusions 4 years ago.

You were a Catholic right? I can understand.

Come to The Lord's Chosen at Ijesha Bustop. God is demonstrating his power in great and mighty wonders. Hiv, diabetes etc are healed. Blindness,madness etc are healed. Barrenness, ss bloodtype turns to AA. etc. Armrobbers and ritualists batter members with their weapons but it can't penetrate, favor with men,progress in business. God is doing this in Chosen. Come and have your own.

The reason why miracles don't happen like old is because of sin. And God is looking for holy men to use to show his power.

Ranhard Bonke did great miracles, and some other holy men of God. It's hard to find such these days because this is the last days, when iniquity on the rise as was prophesied. So come to Chosen.

Anas09:

You were a Catholic right? I can understand.

Nope I wasn't.

Image123:


The section is for those who are interested in discussing or reading about religion. The THREAD is about why God does not heal/help like we expect He should. It is not about proving the existence of God, but for people who have issues understanding God's actions. i'm not here to prove that God is real, sorry. The OP is very clear, kindly read again.
God does not have to show up, He did not promise to physically show up. The atheist cannot drum up criteria for God, God is God. You cannot define God without giving us an example. The Bible defines God and we have experienced the Bible's definition. If you have not, pele oh, not my problem. On the believer explaining God to others, that is a privilege and a duty. It is in the Bible, it is not demeaning or anything you want to paint it as. We believers are God's witnesses and we are happy to be. those that have believed our witness have believed, we do not expect everybody to. in fact, we would be worried if everybody did, because the Bible told us what to expect already.

Ur words not the creator's. Like I said, I can never take you serious because you are an ordinary mortal. Everything u said about the creator (if there is one) is what u (an ordinary human) think he should be like or what u read in a book in which other men put down what they think the creator should look like.
Again, this God in ur head... he can't maintain being God and not expect human to maintain being humans. Humans feel pain, stressed, frustrated, when bad things happen to us. If being God is more important to him than seeing that our requests are responded to at the time we need it, then he has no business being anybody's God.
But if you are happy with such a God... Good luck worshiping such a confused, egoistic entity.

Anas09:

Hahahahahahahaha. See this Google atheist. I need to present any evidence about my beliefs to you satisfy your scepticism, why? Wow, what a Catch. Nwa, Jesus appear right now and show yourself to this your God here so that his scepticism will be satisfied, failure to do so, will be tantamount to losing your divinity.

Who do you think you are this boy?
You must think you are indeed a some guy? You must really think am crushed by your scepticism.
Guy, if the whole world decides to reject Christ, nothing will deminish in him. Enjoy your glorious scepticism.
JUST NEGODU!!!.

You all are finally energized by my silence.

Anyway, Nna believe what you want.

Just accept the fact that you have presented no evidences to support your blind faith.

dalaman:


How many of your dead friends and relatives have been raised from the dead?

I laugh when I read moronic statements. Me nor get time for paparazi o, so I will tell you as it is.

We all use the Internet and even access to NL is via the Internet. You nor dey browse?

Go google anything you want or check youtube and you will see video proof. Why do you guys act like fools here?

Asking stupid question when u can check it on the net: go and read up, enlighten your self.

Not like you don't know but you just wanna talk because people like you do not belief even if you see it.

Do you know how many people who had near death experiences and we're revived? Someone close to me had experienced it and told stories of what she saw.

You dey here dey find proof when you have Internet connection.

Image123:


And the major of those troubles was the amputee concerns?

There are tons of issues bro. If we start dissecting scriptures now we will derail this thread. Let's look at some core christian concepts:

1. Trinity: If God, Jesus and the holy spirit are one, who then is sitted at the right hand of God. Where then is the Holy Spirit
2. And this signs shall follow them that believe...how many people do you know are walking in the reality of this? The easiest of these signs is speaking in tongues because any body can speak gibberish and count it as tongues with the defense that its only God that understands.
3. If only God answers up to 10% of our prayers, the world would be a better place. Again, some will say it is because of our lack of faith/inconsistency with the will of God etc that is responsible
4. Check out the contradictions. For the sake of space, I'll highlight one: John the baptist said he is not Elijah (John 1:20). Jesus said John is Elijah (Matt 11:14)
5. Jesus (Ominipotent God) made it clear that his second coming will be during the time of the disciples (Matt 16:28), (Mark 9:1), (Luke 9:27). Please read the while chapter to get a full grasp of what Christ was talking about. I wonder what christians have to say about this

6. I have heard of people getting healed but not an amputee. Please why? The same power that is available to heal cancer, mental disorder, blood group, raise dead should be available to generate a new arm.

7. If God wants us to live by faith, why did he give us brains to think and rationalise issues?

The truth is I wish there was a God and the bible is true. But then I have to call a spade a spade. I was really disappointed to discover that I have been dwelling in fallacy.

GeneralShepherd:


Onye agha Jesus! One day, the scales will fall off your eyes

No, one day you will regret what you are saying, hopefully it will be in this life where repentance is still possible.

Just as you said you don't belief God because miracles can be scrutinized or something but don't you think that people following Christ, many have seen reasons too.

laribari:


Let me understand you please. So did you stop being a Christian, not minding a soft one?

I had to stop living a lie. Let's call a spade a spade. How many times have u applied all the biblical principles and received results? When we don't receive result, we say it is because of our lack of faith or sin...or God in his infinite knowledge has a reason. If there is indeed a God, then we have a distorted view of who He is.

AnalyticEngine:


There are tons of issues bro. If we start dissecting scriptures now we will derail this thread. Let's look at some core christian concepts:

1. Trinity: If God, Jesus and the holy spirit are one, who then is sitted at the right hand of God. Where then is the Holy Spirit
2. And this signs shall follow them that believe...how many people do you know are walking in the reality of this? The easiest of these signs is speaking in tongues because any body can speak gibberish and count it as tongues with the defense that its only God that understands.
3. If only God answers up to 10% of our prayers, the world would be a better place. Again, some will say it is because of our lack of faith/inconsistency with the will of God etc that is responsible
4. Check out the contradictions. For the sake of space, I'll highlight one: John the baptist said he is not Elijah (John 1:20). Jesus said John is Elijah (Matt 11:14)
5. Jesus (Ominipotent God) made it clear that his second coming will be during the time of the disciples (Matt 16:28), (Mark 9:1), (Luke 9:27). Please read the while chapter to get a full grasp of what Christ was talking about. I wonder what christians have to say about this

6. I have heard of people getting healed but not an amputee. Please why? The same power that is available to heal cancer, mental disorder, blood group, raise dead should be available to generate a new arm.

7. If God wants us to live by faith, why did he give us brains to think and rationalise issues?

The truth is I wish there was a God and the bible is true. But then I have to call a spade a spade. I was really disappointed to discover that I have been dwelling in fallacy.

Rather than responding to your mention to me, I will treat this because it has to do with scriptures. I will analyze ur point one by one.

otemanuduno:


God gave us the brain for use, but we chose to neglect our brains to listen to the gods such as Jehovah, etc. whose holy books have no single word there called 'brain'.
Now the answer is simply this: Domino Reverad who created the universe did not create it for the worship of any deity who promises what they cannot do. REVERAD created human being to find out how to provide solutions to their problems and only the scientists caught this vision. That's why they are the only people who have provided almost all the answers to problems facing humanities. Do you know that SCIENTISTS CAN FIX ARTIFICIAL HANDS AND LEGS, which are aided electronically? but none of the known gods put together can do this.

THE KINGDOM OF DOMINO REVERAD is already here. Read full doctrine in my signature below. JESUS trembles at the mention of the name of his grandfather REVERAD.

Another fallacy. If you must know, I'd rather be a christian than follow domino reverad...another well cooked hoax.

Anas09:

Bros I think you use to be a church goer with no relationship with Christ at all.
Let me ask you this, Were you born again all through this time you were a 'strong Christian? " if yes, What was your Testimony of redemption? Every true born again christian must have one. If you dont have, then you were just in church. Church attendance, being a worker, praying often(which could even be praying amiss), speaking in Tongues, doesn't qurantee you were a christian.

This guy, Juda, you remember him? He was an APOSTLE, of Christ, not Disciple oo. He was present with Christ the whole time, coming and going. Eating, drinking, sleeping in the room with Christ. Listened to all the teachings, to outsiders Christ spoke in Parables, to him, Christ spoke to in plan language, he witnessed all the signs and wonders. He ate the multiplied bread.

When Christ sent them out for soul winning, he went also.
when they were endued with power to heal the sick cast out demons, he recieved the power too.

But guess what? Just like you, he fell out. So pls sir, shift.

It didn't start with you, it won't end with you.

The seed of Satan is planted right in the midst of God's children.

Do you know why that is?

So that when you come out from amongst us and say all these trash, the feeble minded will say, "O yea, it's true, after all, this one was an insider".
Christianity is a relationship sir. Rituals of activism.
Speaking and God speaking back to you.
If I may ask, what are these things which didn't add up?

You think that you are making a solid point not knowing that ignorance is responsible for all your mumbo jumbo. The only criteria for receiving salvation is to believe in your heart and confess Jesus with your mouth as your Lord. Based on the dictates of scripture, Judas was actually saved but greed took him down the wrong path. Just like Gehazi who was condemned to eternal damnation. If a christian continues will fully engage in disobedience after accepting the knowledge of truth, he will surely loose salvation...see hebrews (10:26-27). Jude said concerning these people that they have rushed for profit into balaam's error, they have been destroyed in korahs rebellion. Some christians believe that salvation cannot be lost but according to the provisions of the aforesaid scripture, it is not true. I don't want to elongate this post unnecessary to minimize tedium of quotation. It is clear that even christians don't understand the bible. The scripture made it clear that confessing Jesus and believing in him with your heart is evidence that u are in him and based on this, I should be saved...but if u think otherwise, that's your own cup of tea. Baptism of the holy spirit is also important because it is what guarantees the redemption of christians. Paul even explained to apollos the difference between water baptism and holy spirit baptism. More over, scripture says we are saved by grace through faith so we may produce fruits in keeping with repentance. I have prayed for people and obtained results which I now know better to be coincidence. The same faith I have to heal headache should be able to cure HIV and heal an amputee. But no. The only people who give testimonies are people who had stomach ache, head ache or one 1 million dollar contract which was clearly as a result of their hardwork, diligence and sometimes lobbying skills etc. Why not someone without eyes or leg. Why not someone with bow leg?
Jesus moved about preaching and healing all kinds of diseases. Christians today preach because it is easy. They don't heal people as they go on evangelism. The last evangelism I went for was a complete embarrassment. The prayer unit department (holy ghost annointed) gathered round a deaf dude for 12 hours praying for him to receive healing but guess what? He didn't! If only for once we could adopt a tabula rasa mind, think and ask questions, all these myths will not prevail.

laribari:


I laugh when I read moronic statements. Me nor get time for paparazi o, so I will tell you as it is.

We all use the Internet and even access to NL is via the Internet. You nor dey browse?

Go google anything you want or check youtube and you will see video proof. Why do you guys act like fools here?

Asking stupid question when u can check it on the net: go and read up, enlighten your self.

Not like you don't know but you just wanna talk because people like you do not belief even if you see it.

Do you know how many people who had near death experiences and we're revived? Someone close to me had experienced it and told stories of what she saw.

You dey here dey find proof when you have Internet connection.

Shut up you deluded idiot. The Internet is also filled with stories and videos of people that died and reincarnated. The Dai Lama is a public figure and an example of a person that claimed to have reincarnated. He has millions of followers. There are other videos of others that reincarnated as well. Reincarnation is real. It doesn't matter if you believe it or not.Next! !!

AnalyticEngine:


I had to stop living a lie. Let's call a spade a spade. How many times have u applied all the biblical principles and received results? When we don't receive result, we say it is because of our lack of faith or sin...or God in his infinite knowledge has a reason. If there is indeed a God, then we have a distorted view of who He is.

please speak for yourself regarding receiving results, having applied biblical principles because e don work for me wella.

If i give instances, you guys will still argue but to be honest i have tried something and it worked. Life itself is surrounded and guided by principles and you live it without knowing nor complaining.

Science tells us about laws and principles regarding everything we do and there are spiritual principles applied to all of these things.

The bible talks about sowing and reaping which is principle of multiplication and in banking and finance, people do fixed deposit and get results don't they?
give it shall be giving unto you............. isn't that the principles of a computer? it is what you give that you get.

Even before we invented a sub marine, didn't you hear in the bible that Johan was in a whale's belly for 3 days?
every characteristic of a whale is what brought about the principles of a submarine, a gaint fish that can convey a man under water. Study a whale and see what a submarine does, you will be amazed.
science work according to the bible princple..

Before aeroplanes came along, God created the birds and it is their principle of flight and navigation in the air that man studied. Go and read the closeness btw a plan and a bird, abi you don't know that aeroplanes adjust their wings and tail? The best description of a plane is the eagle because it has endurance and can fly into the clouds.

I can go on and on...............

Everybody live the bible whether they like it or not.

laribari:


please speak for yourself regarding receiving results, having applied biblical principles because e don work for me wella.

If i give instances, you guys will still argue but to be honest i have tried something and it worked. Life itself is surrounded and guided by principles and you live it without knowing nor complaining.

Science tells us about laws and principles regarding everything we do and there are spiritual principles applied to all of these things.

The bible talks about sowing and reaping which is principle of multiplication and in banking and finance, people do fixed deposit and get results don't they?
give it shall be giving unto you............. isn't that the principles of a computer? it is what you give that you get.

Even before we invented a sub marine, didn't you hear in the bible that Johan was in a whale's belly for 3 days?
every characteristic of a whale is what brought about the principles of a submarine, a gaint fish that can convey a man under water. Study a whale and see what a submarine does, you will be amazed.
science work according to the bible princple..

Before aeroplanes came along, God created the birds and it is their principle of flight and navigation in the air that man studied. Go and read the closeness btw a plan and a bird, abi you don't know that aeroplanes adjust their wings and tail? The best description of a plane is the eagle because it has endurance and can fly into the clouds.

I can go on and on...............

Everybody live the bible whether they like it or not.

You've said a lot of things here but none has substance. Tell us the principles you've applied so I could learn and accept christ again. Maybe I was ignorant about the principles and so I faltered. I know of greedy bastards that are very rich as much as I know of selfless and good people who are also successful. The principle here is work hard and be diligent...plus time and chance.

Please help me with the principles you applied. I know that the principle for material success according to scripture is giving, hardwork, offering and the well established ***TITHING***. Now what I need is the principle for healing...the one u applied and has worked