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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by Nobody: 2:35pm On May 29, 2016
PastorAIO:


But Zeus is not jealous and vindictive so he'll probably just let it slide. But Yahweh?

Pascal's wager requires a downside to not believing. No other religion provides this downside like abrahamic religions. So Pascal's wager still holds.
Pascal's wager restricts the criteria for eternity to believe only. That's implies that you can rape, kill, do any feckery you want and still make the heaven as long as you believe. That's an F U to whatever moral life one must have lead.
It's about tricking yourself to believe.

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 2:42pm On May 29, 2016
Julianyao:

Pascal's wager restricts the criteria for eternity to believe only. That's implies that you can rape, kill, do any feckery you want and still make the heaven as long as you believe. That's an F U to whatever moral life one must have lead.
It's about tricking yourself to believe.

Well tbh some parts of the bible agree with that. But then other parts directly contradict those parts.

As for morality, forget it, the worst thing for anybody or society trying to develop moral character is christianity.

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by menxer: 3:54pm On May 29, 2016
Joagbaje:

Everyone have his responsibility. It's not God you hold responsible.

So we should not hold God responsible for our blessings, since it's our responsibility?

If we don't hold God responsible, why give credit and praise to him for the good experiences we enjoy in life?

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by Oluwaseytiano(m): 3:56pm On May 29, 2016
PastorAIO:


But Zeus is not jealous and vindictive so he'll probably just let it slide. But Yahweh?

Pascal's wager requires a downside to not believing. No other religion provides this downside like abrahamic religions. So Pascal's wager still holds.
Says who? Better go and study Greek mythology

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 4:04pm On May 29, 2016
Oluwaseytiano:
Says who? Better go and study Greek mythology

Says me. Where is the jealousy and vindictiveness? Show me.

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by Oluwaseytiano(m): 4:14pm On May 29, 2016
PastorAIO:


Says me. Where is the jealousy and vindictiveness? Show me.
Zeus had an adopted son called Prometheus, do you know what happened to him?
Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by Ranchhoddas: 4:17pm On May 29, 2016
menxer:


So we should not hold God responsible for our blessings, since it's our responsibility?

If we don't hold God responsible, why give credit and praise to him for the good experiences we enjoy in life?
Pastor Joagbaje, I look forward to your response to this question

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 4:23pm On May 29, 2016
Did Prometheus fail to believe in him?

Oluwaseytiano:
Zeus had an adopted son called Prometheus, do you know what happened to him?
Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by Oluwaseytiano(m): 4:46pm On May 29, 2016
PastorAIO:
Did Prometheus fail to believe in him?
I don't gat time for chit chat, what happen to Prometheus?
Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by lepasharon(f): 4:48pm On May 29, 2016
Vick4rill:
zeus will understand that i atleast, have reverence for a super natural being and i was nt too arrogants believing in my own understanding.,..

So Jesus should be understanding to muslims then?

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by davien(m): 5:03pm On May 29, 2016
I'm also not an atheist in a foxhole,had a lot of accidents... dusted myself and went to the hospital..

The day a bottle exploded in a trashbin and slit a bit of my neck people were shouting jesus all through, If I was a theist, panicking and shouting jesus would've only lead to more bleeding from my neck and possibly let the pieces push further into my neck... just hailed a bike to the nearest hospital..

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 6:44pm On May 29, 2016
Oluwaseytiano:
I don't gat time for chit chat, what happen to Prometheus?

If you don't have time then why are you here? Are you saying that what I asked you is not pertinent?

Prometheus gave humans fire and was punished. So what?

We are talking about Pascal's wager I believe. Do you know what Pascal's wager is? What is it?

Again I ask you. Did Prometheus refuse to believe in the existence of Zeus? Did Zeus say he will punish people who did not believe in him?

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 6:46pm On May 29, 2016
davien:
I'm also not an atheist in a foxhole,had a lot of accidents... dusted myself and went to the hospital..

The day a bottle exploded in a trashbin and slit a bit of my neck people were shouting jesus all through, If I was a theist, panicking and shouting jesus would've only lead to more bleeding from my neck and possibly let the pieces push further into my neck... just hailed a bike to the nearest hospital..


You guys should start a testimony thread for Atheist.

Call it 'What the Spaghetti Monster has Done for me' or something like that.

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by theoneJabulani(m): 7:21pm On May 29, 2016
PastorAIO:


If you don't have time then why are you here? Are you saying that what I asked you is not pertinent?

Prometheus gave humans fire and was punished. So what?

We are talking about Pascal's wager I believe. Do you know what Pascal's wager is? What is it?

Again I ask you. Did Prometheus refuse to believe in the existence of Zeus? Did Zeus say he will punish people who did not believe in him?
Same guy replying your post. The poet Homer tells tales of countless humans who were punished for disobedience by the gods of Olympus. The Greek gods show more human emotions than any other Deity's on earth. And do I know what is Pascal's wager? I won't answer that.
Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by ValentineMary(m): 9:32pm On May 29, 2016
kepstone:
I will reply u well, op.
Go ahead and thankgod u were saved from death. God is so merciful that if u know him u will say that thanking him over and over is not enough. As a Christian and as a pastor I have seen much and have known much. Nothing on earth can alter my conviction about GOD. See please do understand that the spiritual realm works parallel to the physical realm. While the physical is control by man, the spiritual is control by GOD and demons. The activities in the spirit realm are as real as the physical. Today I see the devil using atheist to lure people to hell by making them think GOD is not in existence and God is not what he say he is. If u look at life u will understand the mystery of life. Why do we have to come into this world through birth and why do we have to live this world through death. Birth was d plan of god for every life to come into the world to fulfil a purpose, death was not d mode of exist for man, sin came into the world and alters the plan of GOD for mankind. Jesus came to restore and to redeem us to god that after this life we will stay in the new Jerusalem and the new earth and heaven. If you want to conclusively conclude that GOD has not played a major role in keeping u till date, wait till when you close ur eyes in death and open it in eternity reality will dawn on u that eternity only has 2 choice heaven and hell and u don't make that choice there u make it here. My friend please I beg u by God's mercy do not live a life of deception from the devil. Do not be swallowd in this lies of the devil.
In 2014 April 14 I will never forget this for the rest of my life Nyanya bomb blast I was in that park by 6.30 am, prior to that GOD had already woke me up to pray fervently so I did, while I finished praying I was silent and god asked me to read psalms 91, I did, he asked me to cover myself with the blood I did, he spoke to me expressly that today he will show me his mercy I did not understand till I escaped death violent death by bomb blast. I got to park that morning saw many buses, but a man came and stopped me from entering one of d buses that was blasted by d bomb, asked me to enter anoda, after which d driver drove out like someone was chasing him. Few minutes into our journey while we left the park like 3minutes we heard a blast and it shook our bus on the road just to turn back we saw smoke from the same park we left. I saw some of this people that were killed we laughed and smile not knowing it was d last time for them.
I love him GOD and I have seen him in divers manners in deliverance, in provision, in protection. ur opinion about him does not change him. Please retrace ur step back to GOD. Bless you.
Why did God put uthrough d strenuous exercise of praying and all if he really wanted to save u, he would have done just that without u praying for infinity hours.
Does that also mean that those in Nyanya were all punished by God? u would also agree with me that not only u escaped. Some people who had not prayed in years also escaped. What makes their's less gracious than yours Attributing events that happen by chance to a deity does not bring d deity into existence.

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by ValentineMary(m): 9:40pm On May 29, 2016
Elohim1:
AND WE ARE THE CRAZY ONES
If the best explanation u can give to that pics is a miracle, then it shows how religion has closed ur intellect. There could be 7,000 reasons why d bible did not burn but u picked only one. smh

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by ValentineMary(m): 9:47pm On May 29, 2016
Hardmirror ur story reminds me of one certain time during exam period in my school, I fell really ill that I could not stand, eat, or even lie comfortably. After some time I recovered and my roommate asked me if during thag period I asked God for help. I told him no, I can't ask an imaginary being to help me. Imagine the scenario when I am about to be robbed and I call on superman to save me. It would not bring superman to save me and I would still get my ass robbed. Atheism has made me face reality for what it really is.

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by Nobody: 10:00pm On May 29, 2016
ValentineMary:

If the best explanation u can give to that pics is a miracle, then it shows how religion has closed ur intellect. There could be 7,000 reasons why d bible did not burn but u picked only one. smh
COMMON READ EVERYTHING WRITTEN ON THE PIC NA ABI EYE DAY PAIN YOU??
Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by dankol: 10:00pm On May 29, 2016
kepstone:
I will reply u well, op.
Go ahead and thankgod u were saved from death. God is so merciful that if u know him u will say that thanking him over and over is not enough. As a Christian and as a pastor I have seen much and have known much. Nothing on earth can alter my conviction about GOD. See please do understand that the spiritual realm works parallel to the physical realm. While the physical is control by man, the spiritual is control by GOD and demons. The activities in the spirit realm are as real as the physical. Today I see the devil using atheist to lure people to hell by making them think GOD is not in existence and God is not what he say he is. If u look at life u will understand the mystery of life. Why do we have to come into this world through birth and why do we have to live this world through death. Birth was d plan of god for every life to come into the world to fulfil a purpose, death was not d mode of exist for man, sin came into the world and alters the plan of GOD for mankind. Jesus came to restore and to redeem us to god that after this life we will stay in the new Jerusalem and the new earth and heaven. If you want to conclusively conclude that GOD has not played a major role in keeping u till date, wait till when you close ur eyes in death and open it in eternity reality will dawn on u that eternity only has 2 choice heaven and hell and u don't make that choice there u make it here. My friend please I beg u by God's mercy do not live a life of deception from the devil. Do not be swallowd in this lies of the devil.
In 2014 April 14 I will never forget this for the rest of my life Nyanya bomb blast I was in that park by 6.30 am, prior to that GOD had already woke me up to pray fervently so I did, while I finished praying I was silent and god asked me to read psalms 91, I did, he asked me to cover myself with the blood I did, he spoke to me expressly that today he will show me his mercy I did not understand till I escaped death violent death by bomb blast. I got to park that morning saw many buses, but a man came and stopped me from entering one of d buses that was blasted by d bomb, asked me to enter anoda, after which d driver drove out like someone was chasing him. Few minutes into our journey while we left the park like 3minutes we heard a blast and it shook our bus on the road just to turn back we saw smoke from the same park we left. I saw some of this people that were killed we laughed and smile not knowing it was d last time for them. I love him GOD and I have seen him in divers manners in deliverance, in provision, in protection. ur opinion about him does not change him. Please retrace ur step back to GOD. Bless you.

Stories like this makes me more confident about my decision to dumb God. Sir.. Pls listen to urself.. Do u think you made any sense from a humanisitic point of view. Put urself in the shoes of those who died. Would u b happy some survivor giving such testimony. Moreso, ask urself what makes you better than those who died, are u more righteous or what... It is a priviledge to be alive. If God indeed was involved, he would not allow such horrible thing to happen in the first place . Mind you if we take a critical assessment of those who lost their lives in that horrible event.. They are mostly xtians and religonist alike. GOD CANT PROTECT. STOP DECIEVING YOURSELF

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by Nobody: 10:10pm On May 29, 2016
PastorAIO:


Well tbh some parts of the bible agree with that. But then other parts directly contradict those parts.

As for morality, forget it, the worst thing for anybody or society trying to develop moral character is christianity.
Aren't you supposed to be a theist? or am I missing something?
Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by Joagbaje(m): 10:55pm On May 29, 2016
menxer:


So we should not hold God responsible for our blessings, since it's our responsibility?

If we don't hold God responsible, why give credit and praise to him for the good experiences we enjoy in life?

he made the provision. and he gave us his word and his spirit to know how to lay hold on what is ours. The ball is in our court.

our thanking God is simply our act of worship
Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by menxer: 11:31pm On May 29, 2016
Joagbaje:


he made the provision. and he gave us his word and his spirit to know how to lay hold on what is ours. The ball is in our court.

our thanking God is simply our act of worship

lame argument.
You said we can't hold God responsible, how come he is now responsible for our provisions?

why should one thank God for what he is not responsible for?

guy man, God is beyond definition, don't try to use thanksgiving or worship to define God, it sounds more like bribe.

God is us, experiencing creative manifestation in and through us on this plane of existence.

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by HCpaul(m): 2:10am On May 30, 2016
Vick4rill:
please am writing this to the young minds and teenagers who visit religion section. do not for any sake or wat ever u read here doubt the existance or believe in God... ask your self this questions if truely God does not exist why are atheist so eager to prove it at all cost? why wouldnt they leave the christains to wallow in their ignorance untill they realise that they were chasing after the winds. if you live ur life serving God and later died and realise that there was nting like God, hell or heaven have u lost in anyway? what then will happend when u are fully convinced that he does nt exist and after death u realised that he truly exist? i plead with u the young ones to stick with ur believe in God. atheist themselve ve nt make the world better with their use of logic and common sense.if they ve why are there still sufferings,pains sickness despite their breakthrough in science. even if it is nt god that created this world u will agree with me that this world did nt jst come on its own?

@bolded, you've lost in many ways....

Don't you understand the gravity of the ignorance you are vomiting out

We loose many things dear...

- We were scammed
- We were fooled and outsmarted
- But most especially, we are ignorant.

I got so many things to loose only if I later discover that the whole thing is just a game, a test of writing skills by the writer of the book called Bible.

You know that in game, the characters present may also be imagine that they are alive, active and really heading to a real life destination. But believe me my brother, the whole thing is fake, unreal and only a test of programming skills by programmers.

Did you want to live your life like the characters in those games

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Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by ValentineMary(m): 7:10am On May 30, 2016
Elohim1:
COMMON READ EVERYTHING WRITTEN ON THE PIC NA ABI EYE DAY PAIN YOU??
Oops sorry man. grin
Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by Joagbaje(m): 9:13am On May 30, 2016
menxer:


lame argument.
You said we can't hold God responsible, how come he is now responsible for our provisions?

Let me break it down for you. If I give you a high tech gadget to make life easy for you and also give you the operating manual . If you operate without the manual and couldn't benefit from the gadget who do you blame ? Yourself or me. Who is responsible . God made provision and gave manual and principle on how to lay hold on it . If you follow his instruction and it works , you give him praise .
Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by braithwaite(m): 10:24am On May 30, 2016





Am tired of explaining it to them..

Hardmirror you geh time oh



Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by menxer: 10:55am On May 30, 2016
Joagbaje:


Let me break it down for you. If I give you a high tech gadget to make life easy for you and also give you the operating manual . If you operate without the manual and couldn't benefit from the gadget who do you blame ? Yourself or me. Who is responsible . God made provision and gave manual and principle on how to lay hold on it . If you follow his instruction and it works , you give him praise .


Your arguments from where I joined you don't sync.

if God is not to be held responsible, why is he held responsible for the provisions?

You make a case for following God's instructions, when God isn't even responsible for anything. Who would be held responsible for factory fault in the product Or a complex set of instructions in a strange language for a device?

Is it that you don't understand the meaning of "responsible" in a wider context?

Your argument is self defeating except you withdraw that statement not to hold God "responsible."
Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by HardMirror(m): 10:56am On May 30, 2016
braithwaite:





Am tired of explaining it to them..

Hardmirror you geh time oh



I've not been online for 2 days now sef. Most times I ignore dumb comments.
Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by braithwaite(m): 11:14am On May 30, 2016
HardMirror:

I've not been online for 2 days now sef. Most times I ignore dumb comments.




kiss


Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by Joagbaje(m): 11:23am On May 30, 2016
menxer:


Your arguments from where I joined you don't sync.

if God is not to be held responsible, why is he held responsible for the provisions?

There's difference between being responsible and being held responsible. God fulfilled his responsibility by making provision and also showing us how to lay hold on it. you don't hold him responsible any longer. If I paid money into someone's account and he lost his atm card or even lost the money , should I be blamed? Or held responsible? . I was responsible enough to make the provision but not responsible for misuse or neglect on the other person side

You make a case for following God's instructions, when God isn't even responsible for anything. Who would be held responsible for factory fault in the product Or a complex set of instructions in a strange language for a device?
Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by Anas09: 11:49am On May 30, 2016
AlfaSeltzer:
Oga HardMirror, you need to fortify yourself. Things don't happen for nothing.

Follow the logic and see where it leads you: 2 accidents since becoming an atheist means that god is very angry with you and has just given you two warnings to turn back to him.

Now that would would be a mistake. The best thing to do is to seek the wisdom of Satan.
With Satan's wisdom, you'll know when to repair your vehicles.
With Satan's wisdom, you will not be foolish not be driving at high speed on bad roads with an unroadworthy car.
Hahahahahahahaha. You are invariably calling him foolish for driving at high speed on a bad road with an unroadworthy car? Imaoo.
Pls Hardmirrow, take this guy's advice, seek the wisdom of Satan, (which you have already sought and found) so that you will have sense. Lwkmd
Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 11:59am On May 30, 2016
theoneJabulani:
Same guy replying your post. The poet Homer tells tales of countless humans who were punished for disobedience by the gods of Olympus. The Greek gods show more human emotions than any other Deity's on earth. And do I know what is Pascal's wager? I won't answer that.

You're going on about punishment for this that or the other. Human emotions don't come into the issue either.


You say that you're an expert on Pascal's wager. Pascal's wager is about whether to believe in God or not. Is that so?

The matter of God's existence is at the heart of it. Please tell me if I'm wrong.

No where did Homer ever mention that greek gods killed anybody because they didn't believe in their existence.

No where in Greek mythology will we find a notion of a final day of reckoning in which part of what we shall be judged on is whether or not we believed in the existence of the gods.

Please tell me if any of these things I'm saying are right or wrong.

Christianity is unique in that it makes the criteria for escaping judgment Belief. I'm not aware of any other religion that does so and that is why I say that Pascal's wager still holds for christians.

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