It's no secret that medical practice is becoming less and less worthwhile in Nigeria and the health sector is currently on a nosedive. Practitioners are leaving the shores of the country in droves, and sooner or later, I intend to, too (judge me later). Now I have heard of cases where doctors travel abroad to seek jobs in their field but end up as cab drivers or hospital orderlies. so I decided to get all the information I need so as not to run into any frustration, what with my limited funds and all.
So the question is: which country would be the wisest choice for a Nigerian-trained doctor, taking into consideration:
- ease and cost of obtaining a work visa
- ease and cost of getting a practicing license, exams and all
- ease of GETTING a job
- ease of settling into the country and job.
- financial fulfillment and job security.(Cuz Nigeria can't be THE worst, right?)
- etc

Note that it doesn't even have to be a Western country; I heard some African countries have excellent healthcare systems.

any valid, candid, relevant opinion will be highly appreciated.

Aussie

elobyobi:
I'd pretty much appreciate only SERIOUS comments, please. All haters should kindly step aside and spectate.

go the UK

Australia

^^^Thanks guys. Australia does sound like a good place. Kindly give a few more details. Are you currently living/working there? How did u go about it? How much did it cost u? What exam(s) did u write and how easy(pass rate) were they? I hope it's not too much too ask...

It all depends on you
In USA you get $75,000 anually, and work for 8 hours daily everyday but get sued for malpractice unnecessarily and so easily
In Uk you get $52,000 anually and work for 7 hours daily, 5 days of the week
In Germany you get $68,000 anually and work for 10 hours. But you must speak fluent german
In Canada, you earn $64,000 anually and work for 10 hours, 6 days a week.
In Australlia you earn $62,000 anually and work for 5 hours only, 5 days a week
In France you earn $48,000 anually, work 7 hours daily and require fluent french
In Holland you earn $65,000 anually, work 5 hours daily but must speak dutch very well
South Africa you earn $37,000 anually, work for 8 hours daily, 6 days a week.
Japan you earn $66,000 anually, work for eight hours with very low tax about 2%. But you must first spend at least 2 years Learning the japanese culture and japanese language
In sweeden you earn $ 60,000 anually and work 8 hours daily, but you have to endure the frozen weather.
In Ghana you earn $20,000 actually, work for 9 hours daily, 5 days a week.
While in Nigeria you earn $18,000 dollars anually and work for 9-10 hours daily, 6 days a week.
The above refers to resident doctors only.
The decision now depends on you!

mowah:
It all depends on you
In USA you get $75,000 anually, and work for 8 hours daily everyday but get sued for malpractice unnecessarily and so easily
In Uk you get $52,000 anually and work for 7 hours daily, 5 days of the week
In Germany you get $68,000 anually and work for 10 hours. But you must speak fluent german
In Canada, you earn $64,000 anually and work for 10 hours, 6 days a week.
In Australlia you earn $62,000 anually and work for 5 hours only, 5 days a week
In France you earn $48,000 anually, work 7 hours daily and require fluent french
In Holland you earn $65,000 anually, work 5 hours daily but must speak dutch very well
South Africa you earn $37,000 anually, work for 8 hours daily, 6 days a week.
Japan you earn $66,000 anually, work for eight hours with very low tax about 2%. But you must first spend at least 2 years Learning the japanese culture and japanese language
In sweeden you earn $ 60,000 anually and work 8 hours daily, but you have to endure the frozen weather.
In Ghana you earn $20,000 actually, work for 9 hours daily, 5 days a week.
While in Nigeria you earn $18,000 dollars anually and work for 9-10 hours daily, 6 days a week.
The above refers to resident doctors only.
The decision now depends on you!

Thanks. Where r you working? And how did u get there? (Visa, license...)

elobyobi:

Thanks. Where r you working? And how did u get there? (Visa, license...)

This Australia keeps making sense

InyinyaAgbaOku:

This Australia keeps making sense

yep

UK-PLAB EXAM
AMERICA-USMLE EXAM
AUSTRALIA-AMC EXAM
SAUDI- AGENT RECRUITMENT TAKES TIME+3 YEARS POST GRADUATION
ABU DHABI UAE- EXAMS + 3 YEARS POST GRADUATION
SOUTH AFRICA-EXAMS

Laird:
UK-PLAB EXAM
AMERICA-USMLE EXAM
AUSTRALIA-AMC EXAM
SAUDI- AGENT RECRUITMENT TAKES TIME+3 YEARS POST GRADUATION
ABU DHABI UAE- EXAMS + 3 YEARS POST GRADUATION
SOUTH AFRICA-EXAMS

UAE....what exams and how can one register, do u know?

For aussie,currently is nt easy as you think...even after passing the medical exams

elobyobi:

UAE....what exams and how can one register, do u know?

BOSS DUBAI IN UAE I DONT HAVE DETAILS YET....ABU DHABI IN UAE 3 TO 4 YEARS POST GRADUATE MEDICAL SCHOOL THEN YOU WRITE THEIR PROFESSIONAL EXAMS IN ABU DHABI

BJOO:
For aussie,currently is nt easy as you think...even after passing the medical exams

BOSS PLEASE CAN YOU HELP US WIT DETAILS ABOUT THE MEDICAL SITUATION IN AUSTRALIA FOR NIGERIAN TRAINED DOCTORS EVEN AFTER PASSUNG THEIR AUSTRALIAN MEDICAL COUNCIL EXAMS. THANK YOU

BJOO:
For aussie,currently is nt easy as you think...even after passing the medical exams

BOSS PLEASE CAN YOU HELP US WIT DETAILS ABOUT THE MEDICAL SITUATION IN AUSTRALIA FOR NIGERIAN TRAINED DOCTORS EVEN AFTER PASSUNG THEIR AUSTRALIAN MEDICAL COUNCIL EXAMS. THANK YOU

Laird:



BOSS PLEASE CAN YOU HELP US WIT DETAILS ABOUT THE MEDICAL SITUATION IN AUSTRALIA FOR NIGERIAN TRAINED DOCTORS EVEN AFTER PASSUNG THEIR AUSTRALIAN MEDICAL COUNCIL EXAMS. THANK YOU

....The exam is of 2 phase amc-mcq and pesci you can apply here inNigeria then apply for visa and write the exam there, and after passing the exam you look for employment after which you now do pesci, the pesci is a 1 on 1 interview with the medical board panel....the recomended book for the exam is john mutagh...buh if u av a Good job here please don't leave it and go for uncertainty coz aussie is hard 4 now...jst write the exams and return back to your job in nigeria...and if u get employment after passing the exam you resign and leave...Good luck

BJOO:
....The exam is of 2 phase amc-mcq and pesci you can apply here in Nigeria, then apply for visa and write the exam. and after passing the exam you look for employment after which you now do pesci, The pesci is a 1 on 1 interview with the medical board panel....the recomended book for the exam is john mutagh...buh if u av a Good job here please don't leave it and go for uncertainty coz aussie is hard 4 now...jst write the exams and return back to your job in nigeria...and if u get employment after passing the exam you resign and leave...Good luck

http://www.medicalboard.gov.au/Registration/International-Medical-Graduates.aspx get the require information on thier website just click on de link...

BJOO:
....The exam is of 2 phase amc-mcq and pesci you can apply here inNigeria then apply for visa and write the exam there, and after passing the exam you look for employment after which you now do pesci, the pesci is a 1 on 1 interview with the medical board panel....the recomended book for the exam is john mutagh...buh if u av a Good job here please don't leave it and go for uncertainty coz aussie is hard 4 now...jst write the exams and return back to your job in nigeria...and if u get employment after passing the exam you resign and leave...Good luck

BOSS THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY.

PLEASE CORRECT ME ACCORDING TO STEPS I NEED EXPLANATION..

1. STEP ONE OF THE AMC IS THE MCQ EXAM
2. STEP TWO IS LOOKING FOR EMPLOYMENT AFTER PASSING THE STEP 1 AMC MCQ.
3. STEP THREE IS THE PESCI EXAM OF WHICH THE BOOK YOU RECOMMENDED IS JOHN MUTAGH AND OF WHICH THE PESCU EXAM INVOLVES ONE ON ONE WITH THE MEDICAL BOARD PANEL....

4-IS THE PESCI EXAM STEP TWO AND THR FINAL STEP OF THE AUSTRALIAN MEDICAL COUNCIL INTERNATIONAL GRADUATE EXAM?

5-THE PESCI EXAM DO THEY ASK THE CANDIDATE CLINCAL QUESTIONS, ORAL QUESTIONS, OSCE STATION SIMULATION, TRADITIONAL PATIENT SIMULATION AS IN TRADITIONAL CLINICAL MEDICAL SCHOOL EXAMS IN NIGERIA,

6-DO PESCI EXAMS HAVE OSCE STATIONS

7-ARE PERSONAL PRIVATE QUESTIONS ABOUT CANDIDATES PERSONAL DETAILS ASKED IN THE PESCI EXAMS

8- ARE NIGERIAN TRAINED DOCTORS WHO GET INTO THE AUSTRALIAN MEDICAL SYSTEM AS GENERAL PRACTITIONERS AFTER PASSING THE AMC BOARD EXAMS AND WORKING AS GP'S IN AUSTRALIA ALLOWED TO GET INTO TRAINING SPECIALTY RESIDENCY PROGRAMMES LATER AND WHAT EXAMS OR CERTIFICATIONS OR PROCESSES ARE REQUIRED FOR A NIGERIAN TRAINED DOCTOR WORKING AS A GP IN AUSTRALIA TO GET INTO A RESIDENCY OR SPECIALTY TRAINING PROGRAMMES

9- ARE THERE MENIAL ODD JOBS A DOCTOR CAN DO TO GET BY IN AUSTRALIA- BUY FOOD, TRANSPORT, PAY RENT FOR A SINGLE ROOM, PAY ELECTRICITY AND BASIC BILLS WHILE TRYING TO GET INTO THE MEDICAL SYSTEM OF AUSTRALIA

10-IS THERE A SHORTAGE OR EXCESS SUPPLY OF DOCTORS IN AUSTRALIA AND WHAT IS THE DEMAND FOR DOCTORS IN RURAL AREAS AND REGIONS OR COUNTIES IN AUSTRALIA

11-IS THE JOB MARKET FOR DOCTORS CURRENTLY FAVOURABLE FOR NIGERIAN DOCTORS

12-IS IT EASIER TO GET INTO THE NEW ZEALAND MEDICAL SYSTEM AND WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS APART FROM THE AMC EXAMS

13- IS NEW ZEALAND LOOKING FOR DOCTORS

14- CAN I MOVE TO AUSTRALIA THROUGH THE SKILLED IMMIGRANT ROUTE AND THROUGH AN IMMIGRATION LAWYER AND THEN DO THE AUSTRALIAN MEDICAL EXAMS WHIKE SURVIVING ON MENIAL JOBS IN AUSTRALIA


PLEASE HELP ME ANSWER THE ABOVE QUESTIONS...THANK YOU

You will have a big problem if u move dere and u are writting exams witout practicing coz when you get to pesci u wll be asked wen last u practiced as a medical doctor.....just get all the materials you need and start reading your john mutarh that the book they use over there...don't jst leave ur practice behind Becoz the process take a lot of time as a lot of time...why not try uk write plab I think Uk is in need of doctors for now

Just go to liberia, they have a lot of sick people there

nurez305:
Just go to liberia, they have a lot of sick people there

Why don't you go and sleep.

Best options now to My opinion are UK plab, Saudi arabia and Dubai (uae), Ireland and South Africa

1)
of which Dubai needs 2 years post house job experience.writing then writing uae prometric exam in Ghana(nearest to Nigeria centre), if you pass fly to Dubai(uae) with a 3 month visiting visa and your Nigerian certificates certified by ministry of foreign affairs, medical tests and look for a job
If You get a job in Dubai, convert your visiting visa to work visa there in Dubai(uae) you can also look at cheaper non Dubai emirates to save more money if you want to write exams for ukplab, USMLE exams, Australia AMC to.move later

Also
he following examinations have been designated as DHCC Approved Physician Exams of which no further extra need to pass Dubai uae exams

• Australian Medical Council Exam – www.amc.org.au/exam.asp • TRAS (Ireland -Temporary Registration Assessment Scheme) Parts I, II, and III – www.medicalcouncil.ie/

• PLAB (UK) Parts I and II – www.gmc-uk.org/register/default.htm

• USMLE (US) Parts I and II (CK) – www.usmle.org

• Applicants certified by ECFMG are eligible for consideration without being required to pass an additional examination.

• Applicants who have passed Parts I and II of the Royal College exams are eligible for consideration without being required to pass an additional examination.

• Applicants who have passed the Medical Council of Canada Qualifying Exam Parts I and II are eligible for consideration without being required to pass as additional exam


Also a religious sensitive and patient sensitive environment

2)
Saudi Arabia has a 3 year post graduation requirement then applying through 2 major agents in Nigeria, agents collect cash and arrange visas, arrange ticket and hospital postings from Saudi hospitals. It is a religiously sensitive environment with female restrictions but guys go to gather money to write exams to move up to Dubai (uae), UK plab, US USMLE, Australia AMC,
also need Nigerian ministry of foreign affairs certificate verification, mdcn certificate of good standing, maybe transcripts, maybe medicals. Saudi Arabia processing takes some time too..some months....ask the agents and ask questions too at the Saudi embassy





3)

Uk plab is all about getting your IELTS academic 7.o minimum in all sections and 7.5 cumulative average

Then registering your scores on GMC website and getting your GMC number

Applying and registering for March or November plab1 exam international exam dates in Nigeria, Sudan, southafrica, Dubai any centre of choice

You can also write plab1 multiple times in the UK if You have the cash

After passing Plab1 apply for UK visiting visa to go to UK and write plab2 exam and 1 month of plab2 school in hammed, swammy or Samson plab2 school is advised before exam


Find out if there is need for UK clinical attachments

If You pass plab2 in UK, get a job offer and fly back to Nigeria to write UKvi IELTS and apply for tier 2 labour shortage visa in uk nigerian embassywith Your job sponsorship letter
May need Nigerian ministry of foreign affairs certificate verification, mdcn certificate of good standing, maybe transletter, maybe medicals


Some people go for UK masters and write all the plab 1 and 2 there in UK and convert their UK student visa to UK tier2 work visa there in the UK for a UK government fee after passing plab1 and plab2
You cannot convert a uk visiting visa to UK tier2 work visa in the UK even if You pass plab1 and 2 and get a job and a job sponsorship letter. You have to come back to Nigeria and apply for a work visa tier 2visa with your letter of employment and job sponsorship letter and number from your UK medical employer and also do the IELTS ukvi exam if you did only IELTS academic before writing plab.
You would be given a 30 days visiting visa to travel to Uk and You will collect Your 3 year temporary residence and workpermit from uk government inside Uk.after flying and moving to the uk within 30 days of receiving your temporary 30 day visa.

You can only convert Your uk student visa to UK tier2 workvisa after passing UK plab1 and plab2 and getting a job and a job sponsorship letter there and you pay the visa conversion/ adjustment/ fees to the appropriate UK government agency/ authority there in the uk

I also heard You can do the IELTS ukvi academic before taking plab1 and still use the same IELTS ukvi academic result for applying for your uk tier2 work visa after passing plab 1 and plab2

Each ielts exam result only lasts two years.
Best Ielts test for plab is ielts ukvi academic


5. IRELAND EXAM IS CALLED PRES


FIRST STEP PRES CAN BE COVERED WITH PLAB1




SO IF YOU HAVE PLAB1, YOU CAN SKIP THE FIRST STEPAND WRITE THE NEXT STEP OF IRELAND EXAM

FOR NIGERIAN TRAINED DOCTORS..MAINLY GP NON TRAINING LOCUM POSTS AND NO CHANCE, NO POSSIBILITY FOR RESIDENCY IN IRELAND

Doctors holding an acceptable primary medical qualification awarded following an examination for that qualification. The Medical Council maintains a list of primary medical qualifications which will be accepted for the purposes of admitting an applicant for temporary registration to the Assessment Scheme.
Doctors who have completed an acceptable internship equivalent to six months experience in medicine in general and six months experience in surgery in general.
Doctors who possess the requisite knowledge and skill for the efficient practice of medicine.
Doctors of good character.
The Medical Council will not accept that any doctor possesses the requisite knowledge, skill and language proficiency unless he/she has passed or has been exempted from an Assessment Examination Scheme conducted by, or on behalf of, the Medical Council. The Assessment Scheme assesses the ability of the doctor to practice as a Senior House Officer, in a safe manner, under consultant supervision.


Applying for temporary registration


Doctors who wish to apply for temporary registration must complete fully Forms TR1/TR2 and attach the relevant supporting documents. The Forms will be considered by the Medical Council and assessed as to the applicant's suitability to apply for temporary registration.
The Medical Council will determine the applicant's eligibility to sit the Assessment Scheme or to be exempted from the Assessment Scheme. An applicant who considers he/she meets the criteria for exemption from the Assessment Scheme must specify, on the application form, the grounds on which the exemption is being sought.

All other applications will be considered for the purpose of sitting the Assessment Scheme. Applicants may be required to fulfil other conditions as specified by the Medical Council, to enable the Medical Council to make a decision in each case. Any expenses incurred by an applicant in fulfilling the Medical Council's requirements for granting temporary registration, are the responsibility of the applicant.

Applicants who fail to complete fully Forms TR1/TR2 and/or who fail to enclose the specified documents shall have their applications declared invalid by the Medical Council and the fee of IR400 pounds shall be forfeited.

Document(s) furnished in support of an application for temporary registration will be verified by the Medical Council. Where documents cannot be verified within a period of eight weeks of receipt, the application shall be declared invalid and the fee of IR400 pounds shall be forfeited.

Doctors declared eligible to sit the Assessment Scheme will be notified of the dates and locations of the assessments. Eligible candidates will be required to first sit the Assessment Scheme within a period of two years from the date of eligibility.

Doctors declared eligible to apply for temporary registration will be required, on making application for a initial period of temporary registration, to furnish the originals of all documents furnished in support of their applications a currently dated (within three months), certificate of good standing from the registration authority with which they hold full registration.


B. Assessment Examination



Doctors intending to work in Ireland must first apply to the Medical council of Ireland regarding their eligibility and the need to undergo assessment examination. Following are the information regarding the assessment scheme as outlined by the medical council.


The assessment is structured to assess the candidate's ability to demonstrate professional knowledge and clinical judgment along with English language skills. The subjects which are tested in the clinical components include


Medicine
Surgery
Obstetrics and Gynaecology
Paediatrics
Psychiatry
This assessment scheme comprises of two basic components.
English Language component
Medical component


English Language component


(a) The candidate's fluency in English will be assessed by the International English Language Testing System (IELTS) Academic Modules. The test consists of four modules: Listening (30 minutes), Academic Reading (60 minutes), Academic Writing (60 minutes) and Speaking (15 minutes).
(b) The minimum standard required is an overall band score of 7.0 with a minimum score of 6.0 in each of the four modules. For the purpose of admission to the Assessment Scheme for Temporary Registration, the IELTS test score will be valid for a maximum period of three years.

(c) IELTS can be taken at 210 approved centres in 105 countries. It is therefore possible for candidates to pass the test in their home countries before sitting the medical component of the Assessment Scheme for Temporary Registration. The IELTS test may also be taken at the same time as the medical component at specified test centres in Ireland.

(d) Applicants who intend to sit the IELTS in Ireland as part of the Assessment Scheme should complete the enclosed IELTS application form and return it to the Medical Council together with Forms TR1/TR2 and supporting documentation as specified. The codes required to complete the IELTS application form are attached together with contact addresses for further information and details of how to obtain IELTS specimen materials.

(e) Applicants who have sat the IELTS and obtained an overall band score of 7.0, with a minimum score of 6.0 in each of the four modules, should forward the original of their IELTS Test Report Form. The medical component of the Assessment Scheme must be passed within three years of obtaining the necessary IELTS result.


Medical component


This comprises of three sections:
1. Multiple choice questions
The Multiple Choice Question paper will consist of 60 questions with a total of 5 stems per question. The questions will be divided evenly among the following subjects: Medicine, Surgery, Obstetrics & Gynaecology, Psychiatry and Paediatrics. The examination will last for two-and-a-half hours.
2. Oral medical assessment
This test assesses the candidate's clinical knowledge and communication skills.( 20 minutes duration). This will be conducted by two medical assessors. One assessor will be drawn from a medical or surgical discipline while the other will be drawn from paediatrics, obstetrics and gynaecology or psychiatry.

3. Clinical Examination
This test in the form of an Objective Structured Clinical Examination (OSCE ) and lasts for 90 minutes. Candidates rotate through a series of task units or stations, so that for any one station all candidates are assessed on the same issues by the same examiners.

At each station, the candidate is directly observed performing tasks such as:

taking history
performing physical examination
demonstrating a practical procedure
Interpreting a chest x-ray, ECG or lab results
Patient management/ education exercises
There will be 15 stations in total including 2 rest stations. Each station is of 6 minutes duration.

Examination centres
The assessments are held in rotation in Dublin, Galway and Cork and take place on four occasions each year in one of these centres, provided there are a sufficient number of applicants for each assessment. The IELTS test usually takes place on the first day and the medical components usually take place on the seco
might ask to see them before they decide whether to allow your entry to Ireland.



5. South Africa; You have to write their countries medical exam

i advice any country from the european unioun (eu) or u.s, canada, new zealand or australia. but please whatever you decide dont ever think of those baltic states. you might not make it there. peace

lostsouls:
i advice any country from the european unioun (eu) or u.s, canada, new zealand or australia. but please whatever you decide dont ever think of those baltic states. you might not make it there. peace

Which are the Baltic States?

Thanks for the advice, I heard in USA that the more no of the year of your graduation , the least likely is it to get a posting even after passing both USLME, how true is this?

pestrolus2002:
Thanks for the advice, I heard in USA that the more no of the year of your graduation , the least likely is it to get a posting even after passing both USLME, how true is this?

True. They like their residents fresher, with U.S experience and good recommendations on top of good USMLE scores.

Hi guys,
So I've narrowed down my options to UAE and Saudi Arabia. How do I get a licence in the UAE?
Cc: Laird BJOO

elobyobi:
Hi guys,
So I've narrowed down my options to UAE and Saudi Arabia. How do I get a licence in the UAE?
Cc: Laird BJOO

I am a Doctor not an agent

As quoted in the above post


Saudi"# 3 years post graduation requirement

There are 2 known Agents used by their government 1 male 1 female.....

Someone 1 know used male, Someone else I know used Female

Prefer the male, my ex friend had somesome slight delays with the female agent..
But he is in Saudi now mainly gp jobs

Saudi Ministry Of Health Affairs pays for tickets

You have to pay the agents, they will tell You about Medical screening, certifying your certificates and transcripts with nigerian ministry of foreign affairs, and getting You jobs

MDCN LETTER OF GOOD STANDING

Or contact/visit the Saudi embassy




Dubai/Abu Dhabi/UAE


2 YEARS POST HOUSEJOB REQUIREMENT

200 DOLLAR DUBAI UAE PROMETRIC EXAM IN GHANA


GETTING YOUR health screening, certifying your certificates and transcripts with nigerian ministry of foreign affairs, and MDCN letter of good standing to DHA DUBAI HEALTH AUTHORITY



Travelling to Uae/ Dubai with 3 months visiting Visa to look for a job

And when You get one, converting Your 3 months visiting visa to work visa at Ministry of foreign affairs Dubai

Laird:





I am a Doctor not an agent

As quoted in the above post


Saudi"# 3 years post graduation requirement

There are 2 known Agents used by their government 1 male 1 female.....

Someone 1 know used male, Someone else I know used Female

Prefer the male, my ex friend had somesome slight delays with the female agent..
But he is in Saudi now mainly gp jobs

Saudi Ministry Of Health Affairs pays for tickets

You have to pay the agents, they will tell You about Medical screening, certifying your certificates and transcripts with nigerian ministry of foreign affairs, and getting You jobs

MDCN LETTER OF GOOD STANDING

Or contact/visit the Saudi embassy




Dubai/Abu Dhabi/UAE


2 YEARS POST HOUSEJOB REQUIREMENT

200 DOLLAR DUBAI UAE PROMETRIC EXAM IN GHANA


GETTING YOUR health screening, certifying your certificates and transcripts with nigerian ministry of foreign affairs, and MDCN letter of good standing to DHA DUBAI HEALTH AUTHORITY



Travelling to Uae/ Dubai with 3 months visiting Visa to look for a job

And when You get one, converting Your 3 months visiting visa to work visa at Ministry of foreign affairs Dubai

I know you're not an agent. Lol. I wish you were though. I'd have made more headway if I had a guiding hand.
One more question, but no pressure if u don't know the answer. You have done so much already.
How does one register for the UAE prometric exams?
(I don't even know what prometric means, but I'm sure I'll figure it out)