HeavenlyBang:


No, there's literally nothing Jon could do about it. It's not that he is a bad commander, it's that Ramsay outplayed him. He had no choice but to go after Rickon, and when Rickon died, he couldn't just turn and go back to his troops or Ramsay would have shot him too.

Shame on Rickon for not running zigzag, though.

First of all we all agree Ramsay is a mad man.

After he killed Rickon he signalled his archers to shoot, that made Jon charge forward because he was now a stting duck out in the open.


Rickon running zigzagardly would mean nothing if Ramsay unleashed his archers just to killed him. The arrows got him even when he was dead on the floor right after jon charged forward.

gj22:

And she also has aides to guide her until she is of age

of course

codedguy1:


First of all we all agree Ramsay is a mad man.

After he killed Rickon he signalled his archers to shoot, that made Jon charge forward because he was now a stting dock out in the open.


Rickon running zigzagardly would mean nothing if Ramsay unleashed his archers just to killed him. The arrows got him even when he was dead on the floor right after jon charged forward.

True. I don't know why everyone is blaming the poor lad.

HeavenlyBang:


Actually, the shot we get of Dany's fleet is most likely not at Mereen. It makes no sense for the Tyrell fleet to sail all the way to Mereen; they probably rendezvous'd somewhere around Sunspear. In other words, there's a time skip between Olenna meeting Varys in Dorne, and the scene of Dany's fleet.

That's one very long time skip

gj22:


You are wrong. If the houses had backed him, he would have won most likely. Have you forgotten the battle against the Wildlings? With barely a hundred men, he defeated an army with giants and they were being attacked from both sides. No one had the foresight of anything.

The kid knew she had to fight for snow but still didn't want to risk her men so she gave 62. Can you see that she was actually smarter than the remaining houses?

Also, how can you call Jon a bad commander after he led the battle at the wall? He had a chance if not for Ramsay using his humanity against him.

Mate Jon Snow is a terrible commander and if you've been paying attention, you will notice that nobody seems to trust him as a leader....well, except for Tormmund and that little girl.

At Hardhome, despite the threats of the whitewalkers, despite the intervention of Tormmund who personally beat one of their leaders to death, the majority of the wildlings refused to follow him.

At Castle Black, some of his own subordinates consider him a traitor and kill him, and in the meeting where Aliser explains his logic to the members of the watch, we see that majority of the nights watch agree with his killing. Again, Jon has to rely on Tormmund to prevail on the members of the watch so that he could take his revenge.

When it came to the time to fight the Boltons, the major lords refused to trust him. Sansa refused to trust him. Tormmund had to remind the remaining wildlings about how Jon had to literrally die for them. Even the Lyanna had to be talked into backing Jon by Davos!

It is important to note up until the battle of the bastards, literally nobody trusts in Jon as a leader. Tormmund is loyal to Jon as friend and not as a leader. Tormmund has described himself as not being clever, and was ignorant of battle tactics as seen during the discussion with Jon and Davos.

Davos himself stressed how important it was to stick to the plan. Sansa told him that Ramsay would act in the way he did.

We can see that at almost every stage of his journey, Jon's judgement has (rightly)been questioned by many of the characters he interacts with. Even his own babe called him an Olodo.


So this is exactly why, I'm not judging Jon in hindsight. Everybody knew he would fuckup. This guy has constantly and consistently been one of the most idiotic characters in the GOT universe. Which is why I find it exceptionally galling that none of the Nothern Lords noticed this post-BoB

Ramsey the bastard of all bastards.

Arya the wild girl. don't forget she is one of the best assassins now. finally, a girl is Aryan stark of winterfell.

Jon. aargh. sometimes stupid but he never quit only if he dies.

Dany, Having everything so easy. thanks to My best man of this series film: TYRION Lanister. also, that eunuch(Lord varys) too is of use. Dany is seen as a god. okay oo.

But what baffles me now is, the ladies are talking over the thrones. From Mereen to Winterfell to Kings landing, let me leave that to the director to answer.

Brian. so pure hearted in the series. still expecting so much from the three eye ravens.

Rickon. he had no option but death. he couldn't defend himself. Too weak. Raise by a LovePeddler who thinks she can always have her way with men. Not a man like Ramsey.

Sansa. Becoming more in control and knows how to fight for what is hers. Ramsey torture make her get sense by force.
::::: Experience is the best teacher. Never be afraid to live wild. You will be hurt but good luck too will come.

Cersei. she went from a strong and powerful person to a joke. The 7kingdom is bigger than kings landing.

Tommen: The boy too dull. If he didn't commit suicide self, in a game of thrones, he won't live long.

The high septons. if I be for power in a game of thrones. I will have kill them all. Na dem dey rule or the king? They come manipulate the mumu king Tommen join.

The Lanister are falling except Tyrion who is the best hand of the king for any King. Too smart to be a 'rara'.

The Stark are back and strong. The weak among them have or will die. Arya, Stark, Sansa, Brian. Watch out!

The first will be the last
The last will be the first.
Lannisters vs. Starks

gj22:


It didn't start this season.

In season 1, think about when the imp traveled from winter fell to the wall and back to kings landing and how catelyn traveled from winter fell to kings landing and to the vale. This time line discrepancies have been established since season one. You just didn't notice it then.

You just gave me an example of what am talking about. What you wrote above is a good example of a real time travel am talking about.

queen margeary has so much power but dont know how to use them her house stand for her and she has tommen in her finger but decide to with the high sparrow.
it is high time walder frey die the man is so useless for pretending he did not know the bolton bastard kill his daughter and grandson.
cersei will always be cersei she care for noone but herslf.

[quote author=siempere post=47056041]Just a wild thought....in that Cercei terrorist bombing wild fire scene...Margery martell actually saw the danger they were in....and even gave the high sparrow enuf reasons...and he obviously saw some sense in what she told him from his somewhat confused expression...he had een portrayed as a smart guy....how then did he end up so stupid and slow at that crucial time...thereby stopping everybody from trying to escape...PS...i know even if they ran d wild fire could've


The high sparrow did not know what cersei is cabable of but margeary and kingslayer do even the young man that follow the little boy into that dark hole has easily forgotten that he might have screw cersei but noone screw with her.

codedguy1:


First of all we all agree Ramsay is a mad man.

After he killed Rickon he signalled his archers to shoot, that made Jon charge forward because he was now a stting duck out in the open.


Rickon running zigzagardly would mean nothing if Ramsay unleashed his archers just to killed him. The arrows got him even when he was dead on the floor right after jon charged forward.

His calvary went after Jon before he signaled his archers.

Jon charged forward without thinking. He let his emotions cloud his judgment. It was after he charged forward that Ramsay sent his cavalry.

Or am i remembering wrongly?.

An0nimus:


That's one very long time skip

It doesn't matter if nothing screen-time worthy happened in the time period.

Nihilist:


Mate Jon Snow is a terrible commander and if you've been paying attention, you will notice that nobody seems to trust him as a leader....well, except for Tormmund and that little girl.

At Hardhome, despite the threats of the whitewalkers, despite the intervention of Tormmund who personally beat one of their leaders to death, the majority of the wildlings refused to follow him.

At Castle Black, some of his own subordinates consider him a traitor and kill him, and in the meeting where Aliser explains his logic to the members of the watch, we see that majority of the nights watch agree with his killing. Again, Jon has to rely on Tormmund to prevail on the members of the watch so that he could take his revenge.

When it came to the time to fight the Boltons, the major lords refused to trust him. Sansa refused to trust him. Tormmund had to remind the remaining wildlings about how Jon had to literrally die for them. Even the Lyanna had to be talked into backing Jon by Davos!

It is important to note up until the battle of the bastards, literally nobody trusts in Jon as a leader. Tormmund is loyal to Jon as friend and not as a leader. Tormmund has described himself as not being clever, and was ignorant of battle tactics as seen during the discussion with Jon and Davos.

Davos himself stressed how important it was to stick to the plan. Sansa told him that Ramsay would act in the way he did.

We can see that at almost every stage of his journey, Jon's judgement has (rightly)been questioned by many of the characters he interacts with. Even his own babe called him an Olodo.


So this is exactly why, I'm not judging Jon in hindsight. Everybody knew he would fuckup. This guy has constantly and consistently been one of the most idiotic characters in the GOT universe. Which is why I find it exceptionally galling that none of the Nothern Lords noticed this post-BoB

All your points are made totally out of context.

How do you want the Wildlings to fight for him when they don't know him? He was a crow and they literally have just met him for the first time. How are they supposed to know What type of commander he is?

The other lords didn't want to fight for him because the feared the Bolton and also knew that he had an army made up of Wildlings whom they hate. They didn't know what type of commander he was.

Wait, nobody trusts in Jon snow as a leader yet he was elected lord commander of the nights watch? Now, i know you are just arguing for arguments sake

Nihilist:


Mate Jon Snow is a terrible commander and if you've been paying attention, you will notice that nobody seems to trust him as a leader....well, except for Tormmund and that little girl.

At Hardhome, despite the threats of the whitewalkers, despite the intervention of Tormmund who personally beat one of their leaders to death, the majority of the wildlings refused to follow him.

At Castle Black, some of his own subordinates consider him a traitor and kill him, and in the meeting where Aliser explains his logic to the members of the watch, we see that majority of the nights watch agree with his killing. Again, Jon has to rely on Tormmund to prevail on the members of the watch so that he could take his revenge.

When it came to the time to fight the Boltons, the major lords refused to trust him. Sansa refused to trust him. Tormmund had to remind the remaining wildlings about how Jon had to literrally die for them. Even the Lyanna had to be talked into backing Jon by Davos!

It is important to note up until the battle of the bastards, literally nobody trusts in Jon as a leader. Tormmund is loyal to Jon as friend and not as a leader. Tormmund has described himself as not being clever, and was ignorant of battle tactics as seen during the discussion with Jon and Davos.

Davos himself stressed how important it was to stick to the plan. Sansa told him that Ramsay would act in the way he did.

We can see that at almost every stage of his journey, Jon's judgement has (rightly)been questioned by many of the characters he interacts with. Even his own babe called him an Olodo.


So this is exactly why, I'm not judging Jon in hindsight. Everybody knew he would fuckup. This guy has constantly and consistently been one of the most idiotic characters in the GOT universe. Which is why I find it exceptionally galling that none of the Nothern Lords noticed this post-BoB

From all your posts it's obvious you hate Jon snow, how do you expect the wildlings to just follow him? Someone who has been their enemy for thousands of years, Jon snow was elected Commander of the watch after sam sang his praises and reminded every one how jon snow Led them @ the battle after ser aliser Thorne was injured. He does what he feels is right and he stands by his decision, jon snow is seen as a legend in the north your beloved ramsay even said so himself.

oyetpel:

You just gave me an example of what am talking about. What you wrote above is a good example of a real time travel am talking about.

gj22:

It didn't start this season.
In season 1, think about when the imp traveled from winter fell to the wall and back to kings landing and how catelyn traveled from winter fell to kings landing and to the vale. This time line discrepancies have been established since season one. You just didn't notice it then.

The time line on different plot point elapse at different rates.

kenturkish:

From all your posts it's obvious you hate Jon snow, how do you expect the wildlings to just follow him? Someone who has been their enemy for thousands of years, Jon snow was elected Commander of the watch after sam sang his praises and reminded every one how jon snow Led them @ the battle after ser aliser Thorne was injured. He does what he feels is right and he stands by his decision, jon snow is seen as a legend in the north your beloved ramsay even said so himself.

I think he is arguing just because

gj22:

His calvary went after Jon before he signaled his archers.

Jon charged forward without thinking. He let his emotions cloud his judgment. It was after he charged forward that Ramsay sent his cavalry.

Or am i remembering wrongly?.

Re watch it again bro, his archers released the arrows and Jon charged forward, going back would have been the death of him. Jon is not stupid as a lot of people think. Dude is just fearless and has a lot of faith in his abilities as a skilled fighter

Nihilist:


Mate Jon Snow is a terrible commander and if you've been paying attention, you will notice that nobody seems to trust him as a leader....well, except for Tormmund and that little girl.

At Hardhome, despite the threats of the whitewalkers, despite the intervention of Tormmund who personally beat one of their leaders to death, the majority of the wildlings refused to follow him.

At Castle Black, some of his own subordinates consider him a traitor and kill him, and in the meeting where Aliser explains his logic to the members of the watch, we see that majority of the nights watch agree with his killing. Again, Jon has to rely on Tormmund to prevail on the members of the watch so that he could take his revenge.

When it came to the time to fight the Boltons, the major lords refused to trust him. Sansa refused to trust him. Tormmund had to remind the remaining wildlings about how Jon had to literrally die for them. Even the Lyanna had to be talked into backing Jon by Davos!

It is important to note up until the battle of the bastards, literally nobody trusts in Jon as a leader. Tormmund is loyal to Jon as friend and not as a leader. Tormmund has described himself as not being clever, and was ignorant of battle tactics as seen during the discussion with Jon and Davos.

Davos himself stressed how important it was to stick to the plan. Sansa told him that Ramsay would act in the way he did.

We can see that at almost every stage of his journey, Jon's judgement has (rightly)been questioned by many of the characters he interacts with. Even his own babe called him an Olodo.


So this is exactly why, I'm not judging Jon in hindsight. Everybody knew he would fuckup. This guy has constantly and consistently been one of the most idiotic characters in the GOT universe. Which is why I find it exceptionally galling that none of the Nothern Lords noticed this post-BoB

All these may be true, but a certain Lord Commander Mormont had faith in him to be a good leader. Ser Aliser and the widling leaders didn't trust him, but you have to agree the actions he took were 100% correct. If the widlings had been left across the wall, the war against the dead would be as good as lost. The houses in the north didn't back him when he called, but they agreed after the battle it was the wrong decision.
Jon may have made mistakes along the way, but the good ones out way the bad ones

nani667:
Just saw the season finale.... Awesome episode...

Points to Cersi...the babe has style...very Classy Mass Murder.... destroyed everything ✅✔

Looking forward To John Snow and Denaerys fùck session next season.... Undead Dìck plus Flame Resistant pùssy.... their pikin go be Demigod

^^^^^^^ You're furcked up ma nigga

gj22:

His calvary went after Jon before he signaled his archers.

Jon charged forward without thinking. He let his emotions cloud his judgment. It was after he charged forward that Ramsay sent his cavalry.

Or am i remembering wrongly?.

He signalled the archers first. They shot, it got Jon's horse, it stumbled, Jon fell, he got up, saw the calvary coming, drew his sword...the rest is history

Gbola5:


If people see you as powerful, then you are. Belief of power creates power. If men believe in a King, then this King will be able to manipulate these men. Its people's nature. This opinion in their minds is the shadow. When in truth power lies in THEIR hands.

lord varyc said that "power resides where men believes it reside"

magabounce:
Winter is here!!!
The white walkers are coming with the storm.
Will khalessi's dragons be able to conquer?

I predict one of those dragons, maybe Viserys will be turned into a white walker and will start breathing ice chill.

gj22:




The time line on different plot point elapse at different rates.

King Robert entourage went to Winterfell. After the feast and Robert's talk with Ned Stark. The King entourage went on the king's road to King's Landing, while Tyrion, Benjen Stark, and Jon Snow went to castle black, Tyrion spent some days at Castle black, Arya and Joffery trouble happen at the trident on the way to King's Landing, Catelyn Stark was still tending to Bran Stark. Then a killer came to kill Bran but was killed, that was when Catelyn knew some people want her son dead, she decides to go tell Ned at King's Landing, at that time Ned had reach King's Landing. Tyrion left Castle back, he branched at Winterfell to give Bran a present, Robb offered him to sleep but he said he will sleep at a brothel instead. Catelyn has alao told Ned about people wanting to assassinate their son, and she head back to the North. But remember Tyrion also left to a brothel in Moles town, that was how they met.

effluxpump:
lord varyc said that "power resides where men believes it reside"

Exactly my point.

Talius:


I predict one of those dragons, maybe Viserys will be turned into a white walker and will start breathing ice chill.

You mean Viserion.

gj22:

His calvary went after Jon before he signaled his archers.

Jon charged forward without thinking. He let his emotions cloud his judgment. It was after he charged forward that Ramsay sent his cavalry.

Or am i remembering wrongly?.

A number of people have replied you correctly.

Immediately Ramsay killed Rickon the first thing he did was to command his archers to shoot, it was after they luckily missed Jon Snow and killed his horse and he fell to the ground did Ramsay release the calvary on Jon Snow.

Ser Darvos had even already commanded jon Snow's own calvary to advance then which was why they got to him just in the nick of time before Ramsays calvary ran over him.

gj22:


All your points are made totally out of context.

How do you want the Wildlings to fight for him when they don't know him? He was a crow and they literally have just met him for the first time. How are they supposed to know What type of commander he is?

The other lords didn't want to fight for him because the feared the Bolton and also knew that he had an army made up of Wildlings whom they hate. They didn't know what type of commander he was.

Wait, nobody trusts in Jon snow as a leader yet he was elected lord commander of the nights watch? Now, i know you are just arguing for arguments sake

I think the dude should rewatch hard home so that he can see how many years it took mence to bring all the wildings together.

They where not called freefolks for nothing.

Most of them can't even follow tormund and you expect them to follow an enemy they just meet.

How you guys remember all their names is still mindblowing. I have been following the show since May 2014 and I still don't know some characters by name.

gj22:


All your points are made totally out of context.

How do you want the Wildlings to fight for him when they don't know him? He was a crow and they literally have just met him for the first time. How are they supposed to know What type of commander he is?

The other lords didn't want to fight for him because the feared the Bolton and also knew that he had an army made up of Wildlings whom they hate. They didn't know what type of commander he was.

Wait, nobody trusts in Jon snow as a leader yet he was elected lord commander of the nights watch? Now, i know you are just arguing for arguments sake

The same guys that elected Jon Snow ended up publicly executing him , so what exactly is your point?

If you look at each of the events I've mentioned, you will see that generally people just don't seem to believe in Jon for whatever reason.

Take the Wildlings for example. Jon warned them of white walkers which gave some of them time to escape. He defied customs that had stood for centuries by allowing the wildlings beyond the wall for their personal safety, and even lost his life for this decision in the process!

Yet the wildlings were still reluctant to fight for him until Tormmund yet again had to intercede

Sansa, his own sister was prepared for him for him to ride his men to certain death , rather than hand him control of the Vale armies.

One event could be bad luck. 2 could be coincidence. 3 is a trend.

Just to confirm that I'm not mad, I Googled 'Jon Snow is a Terrible leader' and found all sorts of publications agreeing with me for the EXACT same reasons I've given - from NY times to Playboy.

I know the guy is a popular character, but I thought it would be pretty obvious that he has severe leadership flaws.

Finally, I really don't appreciate your final sentence saying I'm arguing for arguments sake. I have had to remind you a couple of times now. Attack my argument, not my person. If you feel you are incapable of doing this, then don't quote me. I can be quite nasty myself.

I wonder where Arya will go after taking walder Frey off her list.

Will she go to winterfell or kings Landing.

Cercei and clegane are both on her list.

Connects

Nihilist:


The same guys that elected Jon Snow ended up publicly executing him , so what exactly is your point?

If you look at each of the events I've mentioned, you will see that generally people just don't seem to believe in Jon for whatever reason.

Take the Wildlings for example. Jon warned them of white walkers which gave some of them time to escape. He defied customs that had stood for centuries by allowing the wildlings beyond the wall for their personal safety, and even lost his life for this decision in the process!

Yet the wildlings were still reluctant to fight for him until Tormmund yet again had to intercede

Sansa, his own sister was prepared for him for him to ride his men to certain death , rather than hand him control of the Vale armies.

One event could be bad luck. 2 could be coincidence. 3 is a trend.

Just to confirm that I'm not mad, I Googled 'Jon Snow is a Terrible leader' and found all sorts of publications agreeing with me for the EXACT same reasons I've given - from NY times to Playboy.

I know the guy is a popular character, but I thought it would be pretty obvious that he has severe leadership flaws.

Finally, I really don't appreciate your final sentence saying I'm arguing for arguments sake. I have had to remind you a couple of times now. Attack my argument, not my person. If you feel you are incapable of doing this, then don't quote me. I can be quite nasty myself.

This guy has allowed his sentimental hate for Jon Snow cloud his reasoning. damn son.