Well, this was a difficult thread to go through. I mean, I've read through a lot of threads on the religion board but this had to be the one that I had the most difficulty reading through. Too many screenshots, too many lists, not enough points made. And I'm a Christian, so from the topic I can gather where the OP was going with this thread.

First off, this is what I'll say. Terrible people are terrible people. It's not a competition for the most terrible. There are terrible theists as there are terrible atheists. Same applies for stupidity, ignorance, intolerance and hate. It's not a function of religion or lack of. It's a function of mentality and personality. So this long tirade about who has done worse in history is getting us nowhere.

If an atheist commits a crime and feels justified about it, it's not a product of his lack of religion. It's a product of his lack of respect for stated law and a moral compass. I have a few atheist friends and they are strongly moral. They see something they feel within themselves is wrong and they admit it's wrong. Just as there are theists out there who commit crimes and justify their criminal behavior or tendencies with the same religion that's supposed to give them a moral compass. This is just silly. Bad people are bad people. Stupid people are stupid people. Ignorant people are ignorant people. Religion,race or/and political affiliation have no bearing on that. So this is all just so pointless. Ugh!

Thank you.

senbonzakurakageyoshi:
Well, this was a difficult thread to go through. I mean, I've read through a lot of threads on the religion board but this had to be the one that I had the most difficulty reading through. Too many screenshots, too many lists, not enough points made. And I'm a Christian, so from the topic I can gather where the OP was going with this thread.

First off, this is what I'll say. Terrible people are terrible people. It's not a competition for the most terrible. There are terrible theists as there are terrible atheists. Same applies for stupidity, ignorance, intolerance and hate. It's not a function of religion or lack of. It's a function of mentality and personality. So this long tirade about who has done worse in history is getting us nowhere.

If an atheist commits a crime and feels justified about it, it's not a product of his lack of religion. It's a product of his lack of respect for stated law and a moral compass. I have a few atheist friends and they are strongly moral. They see something they feel within themselves is wrong and they admit it's wrong. Just as there are theists out there who commit crimes and justify their criminal behavior or tendencies with the same religion that's supposed to give them a moral compass. This is just silly. Bad people are bad people. Stupid people are stupid people. Ignorant people are ignorant people. Religion,race or/and political affiliation have no bearing on that. So this is all just so pointless. Ugh!

Honestly, I don't know you people keep tagging me to this kinda threads....I m not an athiest so
Anyways No offence to the OP I feel like this is one of the worst thread I have come across on Nairaland....The assumptions are baseless and weak.

Anyone can be a killer, theist,athiest, pantheist,etc....A person who decides to intentionally hurt another person is devoid of belief and religion it's more of the person's mindset and personality...

Anyways someone has summarised all that, no need for stories. Who has killed more either theist or atheist is becoming a boring tale...una should give it up already. Jeez!

KingEbukaNaija:


What the heck is wrong with you ? Menstealers include slave traders , slave dealers , kidnappers , etc Whatever happened in that dispensation is not applicable here .

There's nothing wrong with me. You're merely a deceptive soul. Your God didn't disapprove of slavery.

KingEbukaNaija:

Such can't happen in this dispensation . Do you understand English at all ?

You have difficulty with reasoning. Why can't it happen? Is it objectively immoral?

KingEbukaNaija:

I don't know . What about you , is slavery objectively moral , yes or no ?

Yes it is based on my view. Since you can't tell based on your view, then your view is morally bankrupt. Your inability to tell with somethign so clear tells me that with the Bible, all is permitted.

KingEbukaNaija:

Homosexuality is wrong and unnatural . It is a forbidden sexual orientation. Same goes with in.cest and beastiality

Why is homosexuality wrong? How is it unnatural? Your God forbids it yet grants people that sexual orientation. I'm not talking about incest or bestiality.

thehomer:


There's nothing wrong with me. You're merely a deceptive soul. Your God didn't disapprove of slavery.

There's definately something wrong with you because that bible verse explicitly mentioned the punishment for slave traders

You have difficulty with reasoning. Why can't it happen? Is it objectively immoral?

You have a difficulty in reasoning not me . I remember when I asked you if Mao was evil or not after I presented the benefits and shortcomings of his dictatorial reign and your reply was that you didn't know . Do you now remember ?

I reciprocated the response and you are here describing yourself . I know how to deal with your type

Why is homosexuality wrong? How is it unnatural? Your God forbids it yet grants people that sexual orientation. I'm not talking about incest or bestiality.

Homosexuality is wrong because the law giver said so . God never granted them such sexual orientation , they chose to see themselves that way . There is no verifiable scientific explanation for homosexuality - it's a choice .

The fact that people have been purged of such predilections without any recrudescence through the mighty power of GOD makes it evident that he never granted anyone such . Stop trying to cozen the innocent minds with your pathetic lies and cavils .

Since you are an atheist let me ask you ; why are incest and beastiality wrong ? Why ? Why is it wrong to have consensual sex with your sister ? Tell me , talk to me , leave me in awe at your brilliance . Why is it wrong to derive gratification from sexual acts with the pets you love and take care of .

joywendy:
Honestly, I don't know you people keep tagging me to this kinda threads....I m not an athiest so
Anyways No offence to the OP I feel like this is one of the worst thread I have come across on Nairaland....The assumptions are baseless and weak.

Anyone can be a killer, theist,athiest, pantheist,etc....A person who decides to intentionally hurt another person is devoid of belief and religion it's more of the person's mindset and personality...

Anyways someone has summarised all that, no need for stories. Who has killed more either theist or atheist is becoming a boring tale...una should give it up already. Jeez!

Lmao . Until the atheists stop associating such with religion , we will never stop . Atheists have no moral compass and have the disposition to kill and be malevolent towards the religious . They are dangerous people and everyone should not overlook the warnings !

KingEbukaNaija:


Lmao . Until the atheists stop associating such with religion , we will never stop . Atheists have no moral compass and have the disposition to kill and be malevolent towards the religious . They are dangerous people and everyone should not overlook the warnings !

Aren't you taking this too personal? Anyhoo...that's your business sha don't drag me into your arguments.

Thanks in Advance!

KingEbukaNaija:


There's definately something wrong with you because that bible verse explicitly mentioned the punishment for slave traders

Your deception does not escape me. The Bible verse didn't say that, you and your ilk just added it. It said kidnappers in the Authorized KJV. Your God wasn't against slavery unless he's schizophrenic and thought it was a good idea in the Old Testament.

KingEbukaNaija:

You have a difficulty in reasoning not me . I remember when I asked you if Mao was evil or not after I presented the benefits and shortcomings of his dictatorial reign and your reply was that you didn't know . Do you now remember ?

I reciprocated the response and you are here describing yourself . I know how to deal with your type

You said you didn't know slavery is immoral. You didn't copy me, you revealed your inability to see what is evil and that is the conclusion arrived at from your answer. Not many people will say they're ignorant abot whether or not slavery is immoral. It takes a certain kind of person to claim ignorance about something like that.

KingEbukaNaija:

Homosexuality is wrong because the law giver said so . God never granted them such sexual orientation , they chose to see themselves that way . There is no verifiable scientific explanation for homosexuality - it's a choice .

In that case, you think slavery is right because that same God said so. This too means that with religion, any sort of evil can be justified. Even the acts that you despise can be said to be right because your God once expressed support for them.

KingEbukaNaija:

The fact that people have been purged of such predilections without any recrudescence through the mighty power of GOD makes it evident that he never granted anyone such . Stop trying to cozen the innocent minds with your pathetic lies and cavils .

Wow. Such idiocy with some SAT words sprinkled in. If he didn't grant it, how were they that way since their formative years? People didn't learn to be heterosexual so what makes you think they learned to be homosexual?

KingEbukaNaija:

Since you are an atheist let me ask you ; why are incest and beastiality wrong ? Why ? Why is it wrong to have consensual sex with your sister ? Tell me , talk to me , leave me in awe at your brilliance . Why is it wrong to derive gratification from sexual acts with the pets you love and take care of .

There are various arguments against them but you know what? I don't care about them. If you want to do that, that's your business as long as all parties are consenting and happy with it.

Now, why is slavery moral according to your God?

thehomer:


Your deception does not escape me. The Bible verse didn't say that, you and your ilk just added it. It said kidnappers in the Authorized KJV. Your God wasn't against slavery unless he's schizophrenic and thought it was a good idea in the Old Testament.



You said you didn't know slavery is immoral. You didn't copy me, you revealed your inability to see what is evil and that is the conclusion arrived at from your answer. Not many people will say they're ignorant abot whether or not slavery is immoral. It takes a certain kind of person to claim ignorance about something like that.



In that case, you think slavery is right because that same God said so. This too means that with religion, any sort of evil can be justified. Even the acts that you despise can be said to be right because your God once expressed support for them.



Wow. Such idiocy with some SAT words sprinkled in. If he didn't grant it, how were they that way since their formative years? People didn't learn to be heterosexual so what makes you think they learned to be homosexual?



There are various arguments against them but you know what? I don't care about them. If you want to do that, that's your business as long as all parties are consenting and happy with it.

Now, why is slavery moral according to your God?

No matter how you choose to twist the bible or take it out of context, there is no place in the bible that God approved slavery.
If you are talking about things people did in the bible and using it as basis to veto it as God's approval, thats pure fallacy!
For example Abraham lied in the bible, that does not mean God's approval of it.
There is only one solution: please read the bible completely before attempting to state facts. You will only end up in fallacies if u continue that way.
If you dont have the patience to read it thoroughly, then rest.

felixomor:


No matter how you choose to twist the bible or take it out of context, there is no place in the bible that God approved slavery.
If you are talking about things people did in the bible and using it as basis to veto it as God's approval, thats pure fallacy!
For example Abraham lied in the bible, that does not mean God's approval of it.
There is only one solution: please read the bible completely before attempting to state facts. You will only end up in fallacies if u continue that way.
If you dont have the patience to read it thoroughly, then rest.

I've read the Bible but I don't think you have. It looks like you don't know what is in your own Bible. Take the time to read it. Your God gave directions on who can be enslaved, how to enslave them and how to treat slaves.

If you don't have the patience to read your Bible thoroughly, then rest.

thehomer:


I've read the Bible but I don't think you have. It looks like you don't know what is in your own Bible. Take the time to read it. Your God gave directions on who can be enslaved, how to enslave them and how to treat slaves.

If you don't have the patience to read your Bible thoroughly, then rest.

That bible must be called "the homer" version. Wow, so much for enslavement.

felixomor:


That bible must be called "the homer" version. Wow, so much for enslavement.

No, the Bible is th Authorized King James Version of the Christian Bible.

.

thehomer:


Your deception does not escape me. The Bible verse didn't say that, you and your ilk just added it. It said kidnappers in the Authorized KJV. Your God wasn't against slavery unless he's schizophrenic and thought it was a good idea in the Old Testament.



You said you didn't know slavery is immoral. You didn't copy me, you revealed your inability to see what is evil and that is the conclusion arrived at from your answer. Not many people will say they're ignorant abot whether or not slavery is immoral. It takes a certain kind of person to claim ignorance about something like that.



In that case, you think slavery is right because that same God said so. This too means that with religion, any sort of evil can be justified. Even the acts that you despise can be said to be right because your God once expressed support for them.



Wow. Such idiocy with some SAT words sprinkled in. If he didn't grant it, how were they that way since their formative years? People didn't learn to be heterosexual so what makes you think they learned to be homosexual?



There are various arguments against them but you know what? I don't care about them. If you want to do that, that's your business as long as all parties are consenting and happy with it.

Now, why is slavery moral according to your God?

Until you tell me if Mao was good or evil , I wont reply you . But you are needed here bro -.> https://www.nairaland.com/3202859/nairaland-atheists-incest-right-wrong

senbonzakurakageyoshi:
Well, this was a difficult thread to go through. I mean, I've read through a lot of threads on the religion board but this had to be the one that I had the most difficulty reading through. Too many screenshots, too many lists, not enough points made. And I'm a Christian, so from the topic I can gather where the OP was going with this thread.

First off, this is what I'll say. Terrible people are terrible people. It's not a competition for the most terrible. There are terrible theists as there are terrible atheists. Same applies for stupidity, ignorance, intolerance and hate. It's not a function of religion or lack of. It's a function of mentality and personality. So this long tirade about who has done worse in history is getting us nowhere.

If an atheist commits a crime and feels justified about it, it's not a product of his lack of religion. It's a product of his lack of respect for stated law and a moral compass. I have a few atheist friends and they are strongly moral. They see something they feel within themselves is wrong and they admit it's wrong. Just as there are theists out there who commit crimes and justify their criminal behavior or tendencies with the same religion that's supposed to give them a moral compass. This is just silly. Bad people are bad people. Stupid people are stupid people. Ignorant people are ignorant people. Religion,race or/and political affiliation have no bearing on that. So this is all just so pointless. Ugh!

Dont be deceived bro . The atheists garnished your post with likes because you do not support the intents of the OP or purpose for the thread .
Atheists associate religion with murder , foolishness , irrationality , stupidity even depravities . Some even stated that atheists are good people - you are good simply because you don't believe in God .

This thread is to disprove those ludicrous accusations , mendacious claims and delineate atheism what it is !

winner01:
I dey your back my brother.
Johnydon22 also thinks religion is a mental illness. I'm not sure his followers think differently.

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Krystalzkris freecocoa OgundeleT TheDauraMallam, thehomer K9blunt ( f ), joywendy( f),
herald9 , MarieSucre reallest PAGAN9JA krattoss hahn Queed, dabosuker
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plaetton , menesheh wiegraf , finofaya Redlyn , Longstride, Rainess rinrin23
tangled Misogynist2014 Pr0ton , davien teempakguy dorox Joseph1013

that is it, though not all atheist are rational but u cant be religious and be rational.

KingEbukasBlog:


Dont be deceived bro . The atheists garnished your post with likes because you do not support the intents of the OP or purpose for the thread .
Atheists associate religion with murder , foolishness , irrationality , stupidity even depravities . Some even stated that atheists are good people - you are good simply because you don't believe in God .

This thread is to disprove those ludicrous accusations , mendacious claims and delineate atheism what it is !

u too dey lie. nobody ever claimed atheist are good people and if anyone has ever made such a claim post it and let's see. though i agree on murder and irrationality and if you are a good student of history you wont argue that. religion has killed more human than any other thing.

OgundeleT:

u too dey lie. nobody ever claimed atheist are good people and if anyone has ever made such a claim post it and let's see. though i agree on murder and irrationality and if you are a good student of history you wont argue that. religion has killed more human than any other thing.

Blame Catholicism Satanism for the deaths and not Christianity . Atheism has killed over 250 million in the past century . Like winner01 said sometime , if terrorist groups keep killing at this rate , in the next 50 years it wont even be close to the despicable acts carried out by atheists .

Gosh you guys are wicked ! Dangerous ! evil !

Tufiakwa !

OgundeleT:

that is it, though not all atheist are rational but u cant be religious and be rational.

You can't be an atheist and be rational - it is impossible to be both . Atheists are worse than m0rons .

PastorAIO:
Thank you.

Another Atheist Wishing for Christian deaths at the
hands of lions. Have atheists learned nothing from history?

thehomer:


I've read the Bible but I don't think you have. It looks like you don't know what is in your own Bible. Take the time to read it. Your God gave directions on who can be enslaved, how to enslave them and how to treat slaves.

If you don't have the patience to read your Bible thoroughly, then rest.

Another Atheist says belief in God is a "mental Illness". Next, they'll be wanting to treat you for
your 'illness'. Way to follow in the footsteps of Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and Castro.

Dalaman was viewing this thread earlier

Well, atheists have history of enforcing atheism on religious people by infringing on their freedom.
Places where atheists infringed on religious liberty have been tyrannical hellholes. These are two of the examples of such hellholes:

“The first ever officially declared atheist nation in the world was Albania under the rule of communist dictator Enver Hoxha
(1908-85). Article 37 of the Albanian Constitution of 1976 stipulated: ‘The State recognizes no religion, and supports atheistic propaganda in order to implant a scientific materialistic outlook in people’ (Vickers 2001). For several decades, atheism was brutally enforced. All religions were outlawed, religiously-based city names were changed, religious names for all people were banned, religious leaders were forced to flee and those that remained were imprisoned, tortured, and killed, and religious buildings were destroyed or converted into secular buildings (Jacques 1995). Life in this atheist nation was wretched: no democracy, gross human rights violations, widespread poverty, lack of adequate health care, etc. Although
literacy rates did skyrocket under Hoxha, atheist Albania was definitely not a model of societal health. It was an isolated, under-developed, poor nation held hostage by a paranoid, vindictive tyrant.

The former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) was also explicitly atheistic. In the late 1920s, the communist regime of the USSR created the League of Militant Atheists, which had the explicit, decade-long, and governmentally-supported mandate of destroying religion, disseminating atheistic propaganda and education, and replacing religious rituals and holidays with
secular versions. Simultaneously, the Soviets attempted to eradicate religion by arresting, torturing, and killing religious leaders and closing or demolishing religious buildings (Froese 2008). As is well-known, the USSR was a failure—economically, politically, and morally. The Soviets did not manage to create a free workers’ paradise. Rather, they created a totalitarian nation plagued by poverty, famines, surveillance, suspicion, gulags, and corruption. Hardly a model of societal health.”

Oya dalaman, take it.

Atheist social Darwinist advocates genocide against religious people based on the malicious lie that religious people are
genetically inferior. He/she also supports the former Albanian atheistic communist regime where religious people were persecuted. Does atheism lead to social Darwinism?
Atheist communist Albania:
"The first ever officially declared atheist nation in the world was Albania under the rule of communist dictator Enver Hoxha
(1908-85).

Article 37 of the Albanian Constitution of 1976 stipulated: ‘The State recognizes no religion, and supports atheistic propaganda in order to implant a scientific materialistic outlook in people’ (Vickers 2001). For several
decades, atheism was brutally enforced. All religions were outlawed, religiously-based city names were changed, religious names for all people were banned, religious leaders were forced to flee and those that remained were imprisoned, tortured, and killed, and religious buildings were destroyed or converted into secular buildings (Jacques 1995). Life in this atheist nation was
wretched: no democracy, gross human rights violations, widespread poverty, lack of adequate health care, etc. Although literacy rates did skyrocket under Hoxha, atheist Albania was definitely not a model of societal health. It was an isolated, under-developed, poor nation held hostage by a paranoid,
vindictive tyrant."

KingEbukasBlog:


Blame Catholicism Satanism for the deaths and not Christianity . Atheism has killed over 250 million in the past century . Like winner01 said sometime , if terrorist groups keep killing at this rate , in the next 50 years it wont even be close to the despicable acts carried out by atheists .

Gosh you guys are wicked ! Dangerous ! evil !

Tufiakwa !

Those guys are possessed.

This bigoted atheist thinks being a Christian and being rational are antithetical. Does he/she not know that the fathers of modern science like Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Newton and Boyle were all Christians?
According to 100 Years of Nobel Prizes a review of Nobel prizes award between 1901 and 2000 reveals that (65.4%) of Nobel
Prizes Laureates, have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference.[9] Overall, Christians have
won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace,[10] 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics,[10] 62% in Medicine,[10] 54% in
Economics[10] and 49.5% of all Literature awards.[10]

KingEbukasBlog:


Until you tell me if Mao was good or evil , I wont reply you . But you are needed here bro -.> https://www.nairaland.com/3202859/nairaland-atheists-incest-right-wrong

I've already said I don't know. Do you want me to know stuff that I don't know?

If you like, assume he was evil. What is your point? If you assume he was good, what would your point then be?

winner01:
Another Atheist says belief in God is a "mental Illness". Next, they'll be wanting to treat you for
your 'illness'. Way to follow in the footsteps of Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and Castro.

And more quote hunting and moaning that people don't like other people on the internet. You just need to grow up and state what argument it is that you wish to make.

winner01:
Oya dalaman, take it.

Atheist social Darwinist advocates genocide against religious people based on the malicious lie that religious people are
genetically inferior. He/she also supports the former Albanian atheistic communist regime where religious people were persecuted. Does atheism lead to social Darwinism?
Atheist communist Albania:
"The first ever officially declared atheist nation in the world was Albania under the rule of communist dictator Enver Hoxha
(1908-85).

Article 37 of the Albanian Constitution of 1976 stipulated: ‘The State recognizes no religion, and supports atheistic propaganda in order to implant a scientific materialistic outlook in people’ (Vickers 2001). For several
decades, atheism was brutally enforced. All religions were outlawed, religiously-based city names were changed, religious names for all people were banned, religious leaders were forced to flee and those that remained were imprisoned, tortured, and killed, and religious buildings were destroyed or converted into secular buildings (Jacques 1995). Life in this atheist nation was
wretched: no democracy, gross human rights violations, widespread poverty, lack of adequate health care, etc. Although literacy rates did skyrocket under Hoxha, atheist Albania was definitely not a model of societal health. It was an isolated, under-developed, poor nation held hostage by a paranoid,t
vindictive tyrant."

Thrash. Coming from someone whose God advocates for the death and destruction of others that worshipped other Gods. This is shameful. Your God remains the source of inspiration for all militant atheist.

God Promises More Killing

I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9)

thehomer:


And more quote hunting and moaning that people don't like other people on the internet. You just need to grow up and state what argument it is that you wish to make.

Ok, ive heard.

This militant atheist thinks only "retarded" Christians have children. Is that why countries with high atheist populations tend to have low birthrate? Atheists a dying breed as nature 'favours faithful': "The research suggests that the key fact is simply that the more religious people are, the more children
they tend to have. This is because most religions place a high value on child-bearing, suggesting it is a holy duty. Without religion, by contrast, atheists often see far less point in having children and so have smaller families or none at all."

References: http://www.scilogs.eu/en/blog/biology-of-religion/2011-01-06/atheists-a-dying-breed-as-nature-favours-faithful-sunday-times-jan-02-2011-jonathan-leake-full-draft-version

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/11/study-more-educated-tend-to-be-more-religious-by-some-measures/

dalaman:


Thrash. Coming from someone whose God advocates for the death and destruction of others that worshipped other Gods. This is shameful. Your God remains the source of inspiration for all militant atheist.


I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9)

Yawns!!!
So when did he kill them?


Here's a perfect embodiment of militant atheist irrationality and dishonesty. This militant atheist misconstrues what we said on
our recent post and commits the strawman fallacy by attacking an argument that we never made. Notice we never said that
because many great scientists have been Christians, Christianity is true. Rather, we addressed and refuted the bigoted assertion of another militant atheist who asserted that
being a Christian and being rational are antithetical by citing these great scientists who were Christians.
How far will militant atheists go to rationalize their own bigotry and prejudice?

Dalaman


Is this what happens when society moves away from religious morality? Has moral relativism of secular society gone too far?
What's next? Legalization of pedophilia as long as it does no harm and consent is involved? 'A Plea to Atheists: Pedophilia is
next on the Slippery Slope; Let us turn back before it's too late':
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0811/atheists_pedophilia.php3#.VFXwafnF-Sq

dalaman.

The militant atheist Phillip Rose recently tried to repudiate the fact that he advocates the position of militant atheism. His hate-filled videos have titles such as"Fornicate the Catholic Church", "Rape God and the Bible", and "Bigoted Christians". His propaganda videos "give the impression" that the word "rapist" is associated with the Christian Church. Why do militant atheists such as a Phillip Rose hate the religious believers who
work tirelessly to serve the world? Related post:

winner01:
Dalaman


Is this what happens when society moves away from religious morality? Has moral relativism of secular society gone too far?
What's next? Legalization of pedophilia as long as it does no harm and consent is involved? 'A Plea to Atheists: Pedophilia is
next on the Slippery Slope; Let us turn back before it's too late':
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0811/atheists_pedophilia.php3#.VFXwafnF-Sq

Will you keep quiet. Abraham one of the main character in your bible was an incestuous man. He married his sister. Muslims still marry their first cousins.