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Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:26pm On Jul 03, 2016
Mao Zedong is a Chinese communist and founding father of the People's Republic of China . As we all know he led and saw through the Great Leap Forward - a social and economic campaign whose goal was to transform the country from an agrarian economy into a socialist society through rapid industrialization and collectivization. An Agrarian economy is based on the country's agricultural system - producing and maintaining crops. Funny enough Ethiopia is already adopting this system as they plan to stay ahead as Africa's fastest growing economy . This campaign lasted for three years 1958-1961 .

Mao's intentions translate to the benefits of socialism

1. The system eliminates greed

2. The Needs of Everyone are met

3. Goods are easily mobilized especially in times of disasters in order to ensure the safety and well being of every citizen affected .

4. There are no monopolistic practices . We all know how disadvantageous such practice is .

5. There are no business fluctuations . No discrimination between investment and savings and resources are readily available

So the above or more were Mao's intentions and it would put Mao's China in the forefront of civilization and development . Notably , Albeit Einstein - one of the world's greatest minds - was a supporter of socialism .

Effects of His Intentions

1. Great Chinese Famine which ended the lives of millions of people plus the torture given to millions who were not complying to Mao's vision .

2. It was estimated that 1 to 3 million people committed suicide

3. Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years'

4. China actually did experience economic growth at some point

5. He revolutionized midwifery, saving the lives of countless rural women and their babies, in addition to giving women the ability to get divorced.

6. The Chinese praise Mao for the efforts he made . Without His efforts , there wouldn't have been a new China

7. Mao understood that the pernicious power of Confucianism was permeating Chinese society and hindering its advancement, so he tried to combat it by launching mass movements, culminating in the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in 1966.

8 . China’s rail system, which depended on coal driven trains, suffered - this made life difficult for the Chinese during that time .

So I ask ... Is Mao Zendong a good or an evil man ? As a christian , the obvious answer is NO but to an atheist his morality is contentious . Their intelligent answers will obviously help us scrutinize subjective morality - the type of morality all atheists subscribe to .

Answers from Seun, Plaetton , Johnydon22 ilovetheline, JackBizzle, Kay17, AgentOfAllah, Ayomikun37 , hahn , sonOfLucifer , frank317 muskeeto , Decker , PastorAIO , ValentineMary , Pyrrho , braithwaite , dragonEmperor , theoneJabulani , lepasharon , cloudgoddess , ifenes , brigance , stephenmorris , thehomer , dalaman

No circumlocution , give your answer and reason please .

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by 0ubenji(m): 9:34pm On Jul 03, 2016
Chai.,Ebuka...I've been watchin u.

U reali do enjoy engagin the Agnostics

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:40pm On Jul 03, 2016
0ubenji:
Chai.,Ebuka...I've been watchin u
U reali do enjoy engagin the Agnostics

grin grin . They claim to be logical thinkers , they have to prove it not regurgitating old arguments which have already prepared responses .

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by 0ubenji(m): 9:54pm On Jul 03, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


grin grin . They claim to be logical thinkers , they have to prove it not regurgitating old arguments which have already prepared responses .
Hahahaha....nice !!!
*grabs a seat*
*munches popcorn*
"Ebuka plz pass me the Diet Coke beside u thr"

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by Nobody: 10:14pm On Jul 03, 2016
He was a good man; one I would love to emulate.
Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by dalaman: 3:09am On Jul 04, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


So I ask ... Is Mao Zendong a good or an evil man ? As a christian , the obvious answer is NO but to an atheist his morality is contentious . Their intelligent answers will obviously help us scrutinize subjective morality - the type of morality all atheists subscribe to .


No circumlocution , give your answer and reason please .

You keep talking thrash daily. Your evidence that morality is objective and has always been objective the world over is WHAT?

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:14am On Jul 04, 2016
dalaman:


You keep talking thrash daily. Your evidence that morality is objective and has always been objective the world over is WHAT?

Bro , I just want to know if Mao was good or evil to you and your reason . Subjective morality is all about your own perspective , that's why Im expecting different answers and reasons . Don't make it about discussing the existence of God .

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:15am On Jul 04, 2016
0ubenji:

Hahahaha....nice !!!
*grabs a seat*
*munches popcorn*
"Ebuka plz pass me the Diet Coke beside u thr"

Hehehe grin grin
Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:16am On Jul 04, 2016
timonski:
He was a good man; one I would love to emulate.

Thanks for your response . Any reason why you think he is a good man worth emulating ?
Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by dalaman: 6:09am On Jul 04, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Bro , I just want to know if Mao was good or evil to you and your reason . Subjective morality is all about your own perspective , that's why Im expecting different answers and reasons . Don't make it about discussing the existence of God .

Where did I mention God here? You made a false assertion and I countered it. Was Mao a good person? I don't think so. But these things are not set in stone. The Chinese believe he is was a good person and a great national hero. Let me ask you a simple question. The founding fathers of the USA despite building such a great country were slave owners and happily promoted slavery. Were they good people? Was Prophet Mohammed a good person? Muslims say he was the best man that have ever lived. Was he a good person to you? The answers you provide to the questions I asked will show you that there is nothing like objective morality.

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by hahn(m): 7:32am On Jul 04, 2016
So I ask ... Is Mao Zendong a good or an evil man ? As a christian , the obvious answer is NO but to an atheist his morality is contentious . Their intelligent answers will obviously help us scrutinize subjective morality - the type of morality all atheists subscribe to .

Kingebukasblog, this is becoming silly undecided
Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:57am On Jul 04, 2016
dalaman:


Where did I mention God here? You made a false assertion and I countered it. Was Mao a good person? I don't think so. [s]But these things are not set in stone. The Chinese believe he is was a good person and a great national hero. Let me ask you a simple question. The founding fathers of the USA despite building such a great country were slave owners and happily promoted slavery. Were they good people? Was Prophet Mohammed a good person? Muslims say he was the best man that have ever lived. Was he a good person to you? The answers you provide to the questions I asked will show you that there is nothing like objective morality[/s].

God is the source of objective morality and since you have denied God's existence , you believe there is no such thing as objective morality . I know of God's existence and over 32 percent of the world's population are subject to his laws . The modicum atheists in the world are the ones who do not agree with objective morality . They are culpable for moral decadence !

The Chinese praise Mao -they do that because they are brainwashed to believe such wickedness carried out by that man deserves adulation . They are being coerced by the communist governments to accept certain unpleasant conditions and they are inured to it . The same way North Korea's president have brainwashed their youth to believe he is god and that they should be prepared to risk their own life to save the supreme leader .

Now tell me , why is Mao evil ? What are your reasons ? smiley

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:07am On Jul 04, 2016
hahn:
So I ask ... Is Mao Zendong a good or an evil man ? As a christian , the obvious answer is NO but to an atheist his morality is contentious . Their intelligent answers will obviously help us scrutinize subjective morality - the type of morality all atheists subscribe to .

Kingebukasblog, this is becoming silly undecided

You should have thought about that before trolling Christian threads and looking all intellectually supercilious . Young minds think atheism is simply denying God's existence . This would show them that its far worse than that . Atheism will give rise to dysfunctional families and a sharp moral decline - we Christians deprecate such .

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by hahn(m): 9:22am On Jul 04, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


You should have thought about that before trolling Christian threads and looking all intellectually supercilious . Young minds think atheism is simply denying God's existence . This would show them that its far worse than that . Atheism will give rise to dysfunctional families and a sharp moral decline - we Christians deprecate such .

Hahaha. Lol

So, with a church, at least, on every Nigerian street we still burn thieves, still kill and humiliate gays, have the most corrupt politicians on the planet, are unable to provide constant power supply, provide quality healthcare, good roads or adequate infrastructure for ourselves and you feel prayers work or that your all powerful god is a better option?

Nigu please undecided

For every Mao, we will definitely have 100s of corrupt Nigerian politicians. Every discerning mind can figure that out for themselves.

At least Mao was able to achieve his goals and the Chinese, who were on the same level with Nigeria have risen to the top of the economic index while Nigeria's Allah and Jehovah driven economy is depreciating further down the drain.

Meanwhile, what the hell does this statement mean, "So I ask ... Is Mao Zendong a good or an evil man ? As a christian , the obvious answer is NO but to an atheist his morality is contentious . Their intelligent answers will obviously help us scrutinize subjective morality - the type of morality all atheists subscribe to"

NO to what exactly? That NO he is an evil man or NO, he is a good man? undecided

What exactly brings his morality into question? He achieved his aim or not? That should be the question.

Bubu, even if all atheists say that Mao was a saint, for every one of such opinion there is a Pastor somewhere like Adeboye, Kumuyi, Osinbajo, Oyedepo praying for, blessing, supporting, mingling and receiving "tithes and offering" aka bribes to confuse gullible followers like you from corrupt politicians.

Get with the program son tongue

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by dalaman: 9:42am On Jul 04, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


God is the source of objective morality and since you have denied God's existence , you believe there is no such thing as objective morality . I know of God's existence and over 32 percent of the world's population are subject to his laws . The modicum atheists in the world are the ones who do not agree with objective morality . They are culpable for moral decadence !

The Chinese praise Mao -they do that because they are brainwashed to believe such wickedness carried out by that man deserves adulation . They are being coerced by the communist governments to accept certain unpleasant conditions and they are inured to it . The same way North Korea's president have brainwashed their youth to believe he is god and that they should be prepared to risk their own life to save the supreme leader .

Now tell me , why is Mao evil ? What are your reasons ? smiley

God is the source of which objective morality? Is it the sharia moral system? About 1.6 billion muslims believe it came from God. Is Sharia an objective moral system? Why are only 32% of the world population subjected to this objective moral laws of your God? Of it is objective then it will be universal. You have used your own words to show that.morality is not objective I, of it were it will be universal and remain same throughout time. Bybthe way christians do NOT all subscribe to the same moral views. There are christians on all side of all social moral issues both for and against. Some christians support abortion while others oppose it. Some support euthanasia while others oppose it. Some support gay marriages while others oppose it. Capital punishment etc Christians are in all sides on all social and moral issues with no consensus. There is no objective morality anywhere. You have failed to show that it exist anywhere. As for the Chinese believing that Mao was a national hero same can be said about you. GO TO Israel today and hear the things they say about Jesus. They said you guys were just deceived, they claim Jesus is not what he claims to be and you guys were deceived and indoctrinated about his stories. So anybody can say anything about anyone.

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by thehomer: 12:27pm On Jul 04, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Mao Zedong is a Chinese communist and founding father of the People's Republic of China . As we all know he led and saw through the Great Leap Forward - a social and economic campaign whose goal was to transform the country from an agrarian economy into a socialist society through rapid industrialization and collectivization. An Agrarian economy is based on the country's agricultural system - producing and maintaining crops. Funny enough Ethiopia is already adopting this system as they plan to stay ahead as Africa's fastest growing economy . This campaign lasted for three years 1958-1961 .

Mao's intentions translate to the benefits of socialism

1. The system eliminates greed

2. The Needs of Everyone are met

3. Goods are easily mobilized especially in times of disasters in order to ensure the safety and well being of every citizen affected .

4. There are no monopolistic practices . We all know how disadvantageous such practice is .

5. There are no business fluctuations . No discrimination between investment and savings and resources are readily available

So the above or more were Mao's intentions and it would put Mao's China in the forefront of civilization and development . Notably , Albeit Einstein - one of the world's greatest minds - was a supporter of socialism .

Effects of His Intentions

1. Great Chinese Famine which ended the lives of millions of people plus the torture given to millions who were not complying to Mao's vision .

2. It was estimated that 1 to 3 million people committed suicide

3. Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years'

4. China actually did experience economic growth at some point

5. He revolutionized midwifery, saving the lives of countless rural women and their babies, in addition to giving women the ability to get divorced.

6. The Chinese praise Mao for the efforts he made . Without His efforts , there wouldn't have been a new China

7. Mao understood that the pernicious power of Confucianism was permeating Chinese society and hindering its advancement, so he tried to combat it by launching mass movements, culminating in the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in 1966.

8 . China’s rail system, which depended on coal driven trains, suffered - this made life difficult for the Chinese during that time .

So I ask ... Is Mao Zendong a good or an evil man ? As a christian , the obvious answer is NO but to an atheist his morality is contentious . Their intelligent answers will obviously help us scrutinize subjective morality - the type of morality all atheists subscribe to .

Answers from Seun, Plaetton , Johnydon22 ilovetheline, JackBizzle, Kay17, AgentOfAllah, Ayomikun37 , hahn , sonOfLucifer , frank317 muskeeto , Decker , PastorAIO , ValentineMary , Pyrrho , braithwaite , dragonEmperor , theoneJabulani , lepasharon , cloudgoddess , ifenes , brigance , stephenmorris , thehomer , dalaman

No circumlocution , give your answer and reason please .

Don't know and don't care but if you think he was evil, your God is worse. What exactly is the point you're trying to make?

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by ireneony(f): 12:44pm On Jul 04, 2016
I doubt if there are any atheist in Africa. .
Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:55pm On Jul 04, 2016
thehomer:


Don't know and don't care but if you think he was evil, your God is worse. What exactly is the point you're trying to make?

I want the readers to closely examine the morality of an atheist . That's why you give an answer and your reason .you know this and you are trying to dodge the question .

Jesus preached love .
Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:59pm On Jul 04, 2016
dalaman:


God is the source of which objective morality? Is it the sharia moral system? About 1.6 billion muslims believe it came from God. Is Sharia an objective moral system? Why are only 32% of the world population subjected to this objective moral laws of your God? Of it is objective then it will be universal. You have used your own words to show that.morality is not objective I, of it were it will be universal and remain same throughout time. Bybthe way christians do NOT all subscribe to the same moral views. There are christians on all side of all social moral issues both for and against. Some christians support abortion while others oppose it. Some support euthanasia while others oppose it. Some support gay marriages while others oppose it. Capital punishment etc Christians are in all sides on all social and moral issues with no consensus. There is no objective morality anywhere. You have failed to show that it exist anywhere. As for the Chinese believing that Mao was a national hero same can be said about you. GO TO Israel today and hear the things they say about Jesus. They said you guys were just deceived, they claim Jesus is not what he claims to be and you guys were deceived and indoctrinated about his stories. So anybody can say anything about anyone.

We have objective morality to determine what's right or wrong . That's why Christians who assent to abortion , homosexuality , enthanasia etc are wrong . I'm not sure what Israel and the Muslim community think about Jesus has anything to do with the fact that moral values came from God .

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:23pm On Jul 04, 2016
hahn:


Hahaha. Lol

So, with a church, at least, on every Nigerian street we still burn thieves, still kill and humiliate gays, have the most corrupt politicians on the planet, are unable to provide constant power supply, provide quality healthcare, good roads or adequate infrastructure for ourselves

With objective morality , I can easily know when something is wrong or not . Christ stopped the stoning of the adulterous woman and deplores unlawful killing - this means that jungle justice for their thieves and gays is wrong . My church prays for sinners - gays , robbers etc - and lead them to repentance not stone or burn them or even condemn them . With OM , I can tell that it is wrong for our leaders to peculate funds or fail to do their duties .

and you feel prayers work or that your all powerful god is a better


The Christians are impervious to adversities caused by the practices of venal politicians - that's the effect of prayers .

Nigu please undecided

grin

For every Mao, we will definitely have 100s of corrupt Nigerian politicians. Every discerning mind can figure that out for themselves.

That is an exaggeration because Mao ended the lives to close to 50 million people - that's close to 25 percent of Nigeria's population . This despicable act was done in 4 years . With objective morality , I can agree that both Mao and corrupt Nigerian politicians are bad people , sadly this is not so with subjective morality which atheists subscribe to .

At least Mao was able to achieve his goals and the Chinese, who were on the same level with Nigeria have risen to the top of the economic index while Nigeria's Allah and Jehovah driven economy is depreciating further down the drain.

You are nescient about Mao's reign - to be laconic , it was a disaster . He did achieve a few things but they are picayune when compared to his failed goals . Again , the Christians are impervious to the adversities caused by Nigeria's moribund economy . Christ also adjured his followers to help one another in times of need .

Meanwhile, what the hell does this statement mean, "So I ask ... Is Mao Zendong a good or an evil man ? As a christian , the obvious answer is NO but to an atheist his morality is contentious . Their intelligent answers will obviously help us scrutinize subjective morality - the type of morality all atheists subscribe to"

NO to what exactly? That NO he is an evil man or NO, he is a good man? undecided

Mao was an evil man . "No" , the answer to Mao being good

What exactly brings his morality into question? He achieved his aim or not? That should be the question.

His morality is being questioned because we are in the religion section .

Bubu
Lol . Hahn , stoppet grin

even if all atheists say that Mao was a saint, for every one of such opinion there is a Pastor somewhere like Adeboye, Kumuyi, Osinbajo, Oyedepo praying for, blessing, supporting, mingling and receiving "tithes and offering" aka bribes to confuse gullible followers like you from corrupt politicians.

Pastors don't approve of the acts of corrupt politicians . And we are not gullible , atheists are . You believe everything your high priest Richard Dawkins says . Atheists are sheep and he had to be the shepherd - the irony though .

Get with the program son tongue

Lol . This is why the morality of the atheist -subjective morality - need to be checked . I should "get with the program " - indulge in reprehensible acts like the corrupt politicians ? No ! I subscribe to objective morality cool

grin
Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by dalaman: 2:39pm On Jul 04, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


We have objective morality to determine what's right or wrong . That's why Christians who assent to abortion , homosexuality , enthanasia etc are wrong . I'm not sure what Israel and the Muslim community think about Jesus has anything to do with the fact that moral values came from God .


Who has objective morality to determine what is right or wrong? Is slavery objectively wrong? Why has it been practiced by almost all of humanity for thousand of years? What about incest? Muslims and others still practice it. It was also practiced by the Jews in the past. What about homosexuality? Is it objectively wrong? Why do many people see it as objectively right? Abortion and euthanasia are not objectively right or wrong. If they were people will not be debating about them. Moral values do not come from any God that is why moral values differ from society to society and period in time. 300 years ago all the blacks living in the USA were slaves. They had no right at all and the peopledidn't see slavery as a bad thing. But today a black man is the president of the USA and all the people living in the US see slavery as a bad thing. Muslims believe the Sharia moral system is the best moral system on earth. You do not agree with it but they say it came from God himself. Why do you disagree with it and only accept the one you have been indoctrinated with? People create what ever moral system they chose to live by and use their various God's as an enforcing mechanism. That's the reality of the matter.

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:53pm On Jul 04, 2016
dalaman:


Who has objective morality to determine what is right or wrong? Is slavery objectively wrong? Why have it been practiced by almost all of humanity for thousand of years? What about incest? Muslims and others still practice it. It was also practiced by the Jews in the past. What about homosexuality? Is it objectively wrong? Why do many people see it as objectively right? Abortion and euthanasia are not objectively right or wrong. If they were people will not be debating about them. Moral values do not come from any God that is why moral values differ from society to society and period in time. 300 years ago all the blacks living in the USA were slaves. They had no right at all and the peopledidn't see slavery as a bad thing. But today a black man is the president of the USA and all the people living in the US see slavery as a bad thing. Muslims believe the Sharia moral system is the best moral system on earth. You do not agree with it but they say it came from God himself. Why do you disagree with it and only accept the one you have been indoctrinated with? People create what ever moral system they chose to live by and use their various God's as an enforcing mechanism. That's the reality of the matter.

The reality of the matter is that those depravities mentioned are wrong because the moral law giver - God - said so , even though they were practiced at some point by Christians it does not mean they were accepted to be moral . Moral rules can be ignored or forsaken to carry out different evil acts . You deny God's existence that's why you think there is no objective morality . No wonder some atheists can engage in incest , rape , murder , bigotry because they have been deceived to think God was being used to enforce such rules . Mao , Hitler , Soviet Union carried out those killings without compunction because they felt they were doing the right thing - that is subjective morality for you and that is what atheists live by .

Tufiakwa ! Ndi ojo !

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by PastorAIO: 4:19pm On Jul 04, 2016
A Christian would say that he is evil because christians believe that All humans are evil. 'No one is good not one".

But it seems from the tone of the OP that he is trying to claim that he is Good while Mao is evil. Or at least that mao is more evil than himself.


I personally think that all humans are a mixture of good and evil and that, to make matters worse, Sometimes we create evil with the Best Intentions and other times we create Good while we actually intended evil.

That would be a matter of competence rather than inherent evil.

Now if Mao set out with evil intentions that would be one thing, but if he actually had good intentions but incompetently ended up causing evil then how will the jury decide whether he is inherently good or evil.

There are other issues here that I don't think the op has fully reflected on. there is more depth to this issue of Good or evil that I don't think the OP is even aware of.

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by dalaman: 6:13pm On Jul 04, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


The reality of the matter is that those depravities mentioned are wrong because the moral law giver - God - said so , even though they were practiced at some point by Christians it does not mean they were accepted to be moral . Moral rules can be ignored or forsaken to carry out different evil acts . You deny God's existence that's why you think there is no objective morality . No wonder some atheists can engage in incest , rape , murder , bigotry because they have been deceived to think God was being used to enforce such rules . Mao , Hitler , Soviet Union carried out those killings without compunction because they felt they were doing the right thing - that is subjective morality for you and that is what atheists live by .

Tufiakwa ! Ndi ojo !

Even with God rape, incest , murder and bigotry were all allowed. Read the bible.

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by thehomer: 6:26pm On Jul 04, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


I want the readers to closely examine the morality of an atheist . That's why you give an answer and your reason .you know this and you are trying to dodge the question .

Jesus preached love .

Jesus also preached his desire to torture people for eternity. Jesus' father thought slavery was a good idea. He also thought killing 6 month old babies was a good idea. You know these things that Jesus and God support are bad ideas yet you're willing to think they're good ideas because your God proposed them.
Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by thehomer: 6:29pm On Jul 04, 2016
ireneony:
I doubt if there are any atheist in Africa. .

Why?
Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by hahn(m): 8:18pm On Jul 04, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


With objective morality , I can easily know when something is wrong or not . Christ stopped the stoning of the adulterous woman and deplores unlawful killing - this means that jungle justice for their thieves and gays is wrong . My church prays for sinners - gays , robbers etc - and lead them to repentance not stone or burn them or even condemn them . With OM , I can tell that it is wrong for our leaders to peculate funds or fail to do their duties .



The Christians are impervious to adversities caused by the practices of venal politicians - that's the effect of prayers .



grin



That is an exaggeration because Mao ended the lives to close to 50 million people - that's close to 25 percent of Nigeria's population . This despicable act was done in 4 years . With objective morality , I can agree that both Mao and corrupt Nigerian politicians are bad people , sadly this is not so with subjective morality which atheists subscribe to .



You are nescient about Mao's reign - to be laconic , it was a disaster . He did achieve a few things but they are picayune when compared to his failed goals . Again , the Christians are impervious to the adversities caused by Nigeria's moribund economy . Christ also adjured his followers to help one another in times of need .



Mao was an evil man . "No" , the answer to Mao being good



His morality is being questioned because we are in the religion section .


Lol . Hahn , stoppet grin



Pastors don't approve of the acts of corrupt politicians . And we are not gullible , atheists are . You believe everything your high priest Richard Dawkins says . Atheists are sheep and he had to be the shepherd - the irony though .



Lol . This is why the morality of the atheist -subjective morality - need to be checked . I should "get with the program " - indulge in reprehensible acts like the corrupt politicians ? No ! I subscribe to objective morality cool

grin

I wish I could say much but I attended a naming ceremony and I am high.

Go and sleep grin

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by PastorAIO: 8:19pm On Jul 04, 2016
PastorAIO:

That would be a matter of competence rather than inherent evil.

Now if Mao set out with evil intentions that would be one thing, but if he actually had good intentions but incompetently ended up causing evil then how will the jury decide whether he is inherently good or evil.

There are other issues here that I don't think the op has fully reflected on. there is more depth to this issue of Good or evil that I don't think the OP is even aware of.

Staying on this matter of incompetence. What would you call a being that creates a world and puts humans in it with the intention that these humans will praise him forever and ever, Yet the outcome is different, The outcome comprises of the majority of humans created being burnt eternally in hell fire, after living a miserable life of confused ignorance, while the few that fulfil the original plan of praising the lard eternally do so after living a miserable life of confused ignorance?

Would you call this being competent or incompetent?

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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by CAPSLOCKED: 8:49pm On Jul 04, 2016
hahn:


I wish I could say much but I attended a naming ceremony and I am high.


Go and sleep grin




..... STILL A BETTER TRUE STORY THAN THAT OF THE MOST HIGH.
Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by braithwaite(m): 11:04am On Jul 05, 2016
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According to tthe tibetan or Taoism ,if he is an evil,he should be a hero.whats he pros and con of Mao..the Chinese populance will have a huge say to it rather than any rational thinkers of human right activists.thhen there is only one conclusion, he is not a mediocre person.Mao created a vast cultural revolution coz he was delusion and tend to make sure everyone around believed in the revolution.Mao actions and motivations weren't those of a noble revolutionary serving the people. Lin Biao was being groomed as his successor, but Mao turned on him when he began to view him as a political and potential dangerous rival. Including confucius in the mix was just good.it would gain support from the women's rights movement, and the people were already in a frenzy smashing the four olds. Isn't that evil enough?

Mao created high terrible economic decision to shut down the free market in favor of a government-controlled economy which failed to incentivize efficient production and led to famine and poverty. Great Leap Forward had a high death toll, which is a big reason why Mao is always statistically high up on the list with Hitler and Stalin.Both Stalin and Mao killed people by the buckets full, but when they're accused of killing tens of millions, it's important to recognize that those numbers are overwhelmingly composed of people who died of famine under their rule. If you're going to say that a death from famine is just as bad as death from war, concentration camp, or what have you, then you need to spread the net wide enough to include everyone. So,either famine deaths are as bad as any other, in which case with Stalin, Mao, and Hitler, or we concentrate on intentional killing, in which case Hitler still has no point

However, I personally think a distinction should be made between leaders that actively seek to murder people **which admittedly did happen during the Cultural Revolution, but is incomparable to the Holocaust or the Khmer Rouge** and leaders who ignorantly make bad decisions which cause many deaths **Great Leap Forward wasn't intentionally trying to "murder" Chinese peasants*


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Re: Nairaland Atheists , Is This Man Good Or Evil After Doing All These ? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:14pm On Jul 06, 2016
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