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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 7:25pm On Jul 28, 2016
nemesis2u:

i cant decide which one i want more

the 84 Goldwing Motorcycle fitted with Twin Gatling Gun
OR
the hot chick with the assault rifle

why is life so hard angry

grin grin grin grin grin grin

Honestly av seeing these type of byke with gatling, but I av always thought it's kind of movie stuff.

His these real or kind of photoshop kind.....?
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 8:02pm On Jul 28, 2016
nemesis2u:


grin grin grin

why?


just for info,
in south asia mainly india they use these for base patrolling, dispatch services , military policing etc
but it seems 2 wheeler use is on the decline.
picture 1 : royal enfield military bike 500cc
picture 2 : royal enfield classic chrome 500 cc which i own grin


lol...desperate tym nids desperate measures

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by chinese8107: 8:53pm On Jul 28, 2016
bidexiii:


Honestly av seeing these type of byke with gatling, but I av always thought it's kind of movie stuff.

His these real or kind of photoshop kind.....?

German WWII MG42 Machine gun is still not obsolete today 1200-1500 rounds/minute 7.92×57mm Mauser ammo ,more pratical than a 7.62 mm gatling.less recoil fairly good rate of fire.
http://player.youku.com/embed/XNjY0NzUyNzU2
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by MikeCZA: 4:32am On Jul 29, 2016
Odunayaw:
lol...desperate tym nids desperate measures
Who said chariots were obsolete? grin grin
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 6:06am On Jul 29, 2016
BOKO HARAM TERRORISTS AMBUSH HUMANITARIAN ESCORT CONVOY

Troops returning from Bama on humanitarian escort duty, were ambushed enroute Maiduguri by suspected remnants of Boko Haram terrorists hiding in Meleri village, a few kilometres from Kawuri.

The gallant troops however, successfully cleared the ambush and exploited up to Afunori. Unfortunately, 2 soldiers and 3 civilians were wounded in the ambush, among whom were staff of United Nations agencies and other international humanitarian organizations.

The wounded have been evacuated to University of Maiduguri Teaching Hospital, Maiduguri and they are in stable condition. The Nigerian Army wishes to sympathize with our wounded colleagues, the United Nations and other Non-governmental organizations whose personnel were also injured in this sad incident.

We wish to reiterate our determination and commitment to ensuring safety and security in the North East and safeguarding the lives of all persons.

Thank you for your usual and kind cooperation.

Colonel Sani Kukasheka Usman
Acting Director Army Public Relation
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 6:08am On Jul 29, 2016
CHIEF ARMY STAFF VISITS INJURED SOLDIERS AND HUMANITARIAN STAFF

The Chief of Army Staff, Lieutenant General Tukur Yusufu Buratai has this evening visited the wounded soldiers and the 3 staff of the United Nations Agencies and other international humanitarian organizations that were injured during an ambush at the Accident and Emergency Ward of the University of Maiduguri Teaching Hospital at about 10.00pm this evening, Thursday 28th July 2016.

The Chief of Army Staff who was accompanied by the Theatre Commander Operation LAFIYA DOLE, some Principal Staff Officers from the Army Headquarters and the Acting General Officer Commanding 7 Division, interacted with the wounded soldiers and civilians, encouraged them and wished them speedy recovery.

He equally commended the doctors and the hospital staff for their wonderful efforts of giving necessary care and treatment to them.

It is gratifying to report that they are in stable condition and responding to treatment.

Thank you for your usual and kind cooperation.

Colonel Sani Kukasheka Usman
Acting Director Army Public Relations

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 6:09am On Jul 29, 2016
UPDATE ON CLEARANCE OPERATIONS OF REMNANTS OF BOKO HARAM TERRORISTS

In continuation with clearance operation of the remnants of Boko Haram terrorists hibernating in remote border towns and villages, troops of Operation LAFIYA DOLE have cleared Kareto town since Monday 25th July 2016.

The gallant troops are stabilizing the immediate environment, while others are maintaining blocking positions at various areas. In the same vein, today, troops of Operation GAMA AIKI under the auspices of the Multinational Joint Task Force (MNJTF), have successfully cleared Dutchi and Damasak towns.

In due course, the troops of both Operation GAMA AIKI (MNJTF) and Operation LAFIYA DOLE would link up with each other to continue the clearance operations.

Thank you for your usual and kind cooperation.

Colonel Sani Kukasheka Usman
Acting Director Army Public Relations
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 6:17am On Jul 29, 2016
Mali crisis: Chad's Idriss Deby announces troop pullout

Chad, one of the largest supplier of troops battling Islamists in Mali, has started to pull them out, President Idriss Deby has said.
"The Chadian army does not have the skills to fight a shadowy, guerrilla-style war that is taking place in northern Mali," he said.
Three Chadian soldiers were killed in a suicide attack in Mali on Friday.
Soldiers from Chad, France and other African countries have ousted Islamist militants from northern Mali's towns.
But fighting continues in some remote parts of the Sahara Desert.
Chad's 2,000 troops were seen as playing a crucial role in the fighting because of their experience in desert warfare.
About 30 have been killed - more than any other nationality, reports the Reuters news agency.
Three of them died in a suicide attack in Kidal on Friday.
Mr Deby told French media that Chad's soldiers had "accomplished their mission".
"We have already withdrawn a mechanised battalion," he said.
But he said Chad would contribute to a proposed 11,000-strong UN peacekeeping force in Mali.
France has also started to withdraw some of its 4,000 soldiers and hopes to have just 1,000 in the country by the end of the year.
France led the intervention in January, saying the al-Qaeda-linked militants were threatened to march on the capital, Bamako.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 7:56am On Jul 29, 2016
I have a question, it's very important.



How do we stop, or completely end this Boko-Haram menace? As it is, i'm completely exhausted and out of ideas. I'm sure the military is also tired. 3 Nigerian Presidents and 5 Nigerian Chiefs of Army Staff (COAS) have now fought Boko-Haram, yet an end simply isn't in sight, are we staring at a 30 years insurgency like Turkey?



..... Or do we need to get enough Goats, Palm-wine, Yams and Palm-oil to go beg the terrorists to stop the violence in the North-East.



MATTERS ARISING.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by BlackBaron: 9:22am On Jul 29, 2016
Henry240:
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I don't have a functional answer but first blame goes to all the governments till date who ensure an atmosphere for the likes of BH and other arms bearing criminals all over Nigeria to exist. Lack of foresight, development and no social policies means vacuums like this get seized by criminals. Examples of where government failed were areas where our secular values should be preserved (gave BH legitimacy)

Boko haram started out as a gradualist whose beginning saw it actively popular with locals especially the poor where they looked like a group trying to rail against government inadequacies. Eventually Government mishandled the situation which got scaled up to what we have.
Unfortunately, lack of oversight saw BH get integrated at very local levels which showed from the little to no fightback from locals when they went after the Government and what they termed as corrupt (western influences which included Christians and churches) It wasn't until the little bit late efforts of government persuasions to Imams to preach against the group did they start attacking mosques too and eventually the local population after they opposed some of their methodologies.

Sustained military campaigns alone may not be enough, eg Russia with all her military might against Chechnya still continues today. Nigeria is a microcosm of Russia with both having inadequate government policies, plus corruption means efforts to get entrenched locally is limited.

For every area captured, how much or how exhaustive is the Government doing to get reintegrated at local levels of their lives rather than planting soldiers as a show of force to prevent BH incursion. BH is already well and truly dug in to the minds of some of the locals which means active cells still exist despite getting conquered on the battlefield. This is why carefully chosen Government should be in place rather than the current mismatched cacophony of brilliant and dull leaders. People with no solutions to the problem getting elected is only leaving more problems for the future.

In Indonesia, they used a series of efforts such as sustained PR campaigns against insurgents, repressive military actions and a commitment to integrate significant government policies and control while displacing the insurgents ideals in the society.
Nigeria is only doing one of those and we wonder why we have a seemingly endless cadres of destruction still active.

P.S the COAS should be replaced too. he also has to answer for the accusations against him.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by giles14(m): 10:26am On Jul 29, 2016
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 10:50am On Jul 29, 2016
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 10:51am On Jul 29, 2016
bidexiii:


Honestly av seeing these type of byke with gatling, but I av always thought it's kind of movie stuff.

His these real or kind of photoshop kind.....?

it is real
some gun and bike enthusiast did it and even tested it .
dont know if he fired the guns on the move or in static conditions.

but to work in real life conditions , it will need lots of R and D , but there is no demand for such hardware .
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:06am On Jul 29, 2016
Henry240:
I have a question, it's very important.

How do we stop, or completely end this Boko-Haram menace? As it is, i'm completely exhausted and out of ideas. I'm sure the military is also tired. 3 Nigerian Presidents and 5 Nigerian Chiefs of Army Staff (COAS) have now fought Boko-Haram, yet an end simply isn't in sight, are we staring at a 30 years insurgency like Turkey?



..... Or do we need to get enough Goats, Palm-wine, Yams and Palm-oil to go beg the terrorists to stop the violence in the North-East.

MATTERS ARISING.

it is a question whose answers cannot be discussed in a open public forum.

there are only partial solutions which when applied together might get u the best possible solution.


let me ask u all a counter question

tell me the single major fault of the nigerian intelligence which happened even before the start of the BH .
if nigerian intelligence had taken action on that fault/indicator/trend , BH might not have existed today.

lets see if u guys know the root cause of BH.
theoretically answers r many but the practical answer is one.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 11:21am On Jul 29, 2016
Henry240:
I have a question, it's very important.



How do we stop, or completely end this Boko-Haram menace? As it is, i'm completely exhausted and out of ideas. I'm sure the military is also tired. 3 Nigerian Presidents and 5 Nigerian Chiefs of Army Staff (COAS) have now fought Boko-Haram, yet an end simply isn't in sight, are we staring at a 30 years insurgency like Turkey?



..... Or do we need to get enough Goats, Palm-wine, Yams and Palm-oil to go beg the terrorists to stop the violence in the North-East.



MATTERS ARISING.
its rather unfortunate we have had incompetent leaders ruling us
The North has been notorious for this kinds of reprisals...If only those hoodlum Polithiefcians had committed them to human development-social amenities,education and even encouraged their agriculture spirit...we wouldn't have been here

now we have niggas down south and they r thinking of using force...c'mon I hate dz Nigerians kill Nigerians shit
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by overhypedsteve(m): 12:14pm On Jul 29, 2016
Henry240:
I have a question, it's very important.



How do we stop, or completely end this Boko-Haram menace? As it is, i'm completely exhausted and out of ideas. I'm sure the military is also tired. 3 Nigerian Presidents and 5 Nigerian Chiefs of Army Staff (COAS) have now fought Boko-Haram, yet an end simply isn't in sight, are we staring at a 30 years insurgency like Turkey?



..... Or do we need to get enough Goats, Palm-wine, Yams and Palm-oil to go beg the terrorists to stop the violence in the North-East.



MATTERS ARISING.
you ve said it yourself an insurgency can at best only be managed. you can kill the terrorists but you can't kill the ideology
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 1:34pm On Jul 29, 2016
BlackBaron:

I don't have a functional answer but first blame goes to all the governments till date who ensure an atmosphere for the likes of BH and other arms bearing criminals all over Nigeria to exist. Lack of foresight, development and no social policies means vacuums like this get seized by criminals. Examples of where government failed were areas where our secular values should be preserved (gave BH legitimacy)

Boko haram started out as a gradualist whose beginning saw it actively popular with locals especially the poor where they looked like a group trying to rail against government inadequacies. Eventually Government mishandled the situation which got scaled up to what we have.
Unfortunately, lack of oversight saw BH get integrated at very local levels which showed from the little to no fightback from locals when they went after the Government and what they termed as corrupt (western influences which included Christians and churches) It wasn't until the little bit late efforts of government persuasions to Imams to preach against the group did they start attacking mosques too and eventually the local population after they opposed some of their methodologies.

Sustained military campaigns alone may not be enough, eg Russia with all her military might against Chechnya still continues today. Nigeria is a microcosm of Russia with both having inadequate government policies, plus corruption means efforts to get entrenched locally is limited.

For every area captured, how much or how exhaustive is the Government doing to get reintegrated at local levels of their lives rather than planting soldiers as a show of force to prevent BH incursion. BH is already well and truly dug in to the minds of some of the locals which means active cells still exist despite getting conquered on the battlefield. This is why carefully chosen Government should be in place rather than the current mismatched cacophony of brilliant and dull leaders. People with no solutions to the problem getting elected is only leaving more problems for the future.

In Indonesia, they used a series of efforts such as sustained PR campaigns against insurgents, repressive military actions and a commitment to integrate significant government policies and control while displacing the insurgents ideals in the society.
Nigeria is only doing one of those and we wonder why we have a seemingly endless cadres of destruction still active.

P.S the COAS should be replaced too. he also has to answer for the accusations against him.

....But can we really blame the government entirely for Boko-Haram, while discarding the extremist behavior displayed in Nigeria as a country and especially d extreme violence in the North of Nigeria. I mean, we need to look at the likes of Usman dan fodio to see that violence in Northern Nigeria didn't just start today, it predates even the forming of our country.



- Apart from the scrounge of corruption, I do believe that even with Zero corruption we would still have a Boko-Haram problem. We just don't have the resources to properly cater for all our people. This is the cold fact.


- If Boko-Haram is still able to carry out attacks in Nigeria, Chad, Bosso in Niger it just goes to show the group is not defeated. It is not also a Nigerian thing, the French in Mali are still struggling with similar issues, violence in Mali has sustained despite the initial successes recorded in Operation Serval.



Although militarily i can say we've(Nigerian military) been more successful than the French who only managed to kill 1,000 jihadist.


Indonesia is a good example, attacks have stalled in the country, however i do think it's a mentality thing, a victory achieved not because of any military prowess but by the fact that the Indonesians themselves are more socially conscious and mentally aware of the actions. A more matured society.


In a sane society our COAS would have resigned, however we aren't that type of a society.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 1:44pm On Jul 29, 2016
nemesis2u:


it is a question whose answers cannot be discussed in a open public forum.

there are only partial solutions which when applied together might get u the best possible solution.


let me ask u all a counter question

tell me the single major fault of the nigerian intelligence which happened even before the start of the BH .
if nigerian intelligence had taken action on that fault/indicator/trend , BH might not have existed today.

lets see if u guys know the root cause of BH.
theoretically answers r many but the practical answer is one.


You first need to understand Nigeria's North, before we talk about intelligence failures. The Nigerian society is inherently violent, the absloute worse areas are the South-South and while extreme violence in the entire North has been prevalent for at-least 200 years.


The North has always been a breeding ground for extremists and their ideology. There is absolutely nothing the government would have done. Killing Mohammed Yusuf extra-judicially was not what led to Boko-Haram. That man was a murderer who was responsible for the deaths of over 800 people.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by BlackBaron: 2:18pm On Jul 29, 2016
Henry240:


....But can we really blame the government entirely for Boko-Haram, while discarding the extremist behavior displayed in Nigeria as a country and especially d extreme violence in the North of Nigeria. I mean, we need to look at the likes of Usman dan fodio to see that violence in Northern Nigeria didn't just start today, it predates even the forming of our country.



- Apart from the scrounge of corruption, I do believe that even with Zero corruption we would still have a Boko-Haram problem. We just don't have the resources to properly cater for all our people. This is the cold fact.


- If Boko-Haram is still able to carry out attacks in Nigeria, Chad, Bosso in Niger it just goes to show the group is not defeated. It is not also a Nigerian thing, the French in Mali are still struggling with similar issues, violence in Mali has sustained despite the initial successes recorded in Operation Serval.



Although militarily i can say we've(Nigerian military) been more successful than the French who only managed to kill 1,000 jihadist.


Indonesia is a good example, attacks have stalled in the country, however i do think it's a mentality thing, a victory achieved not because of any military prowess but by the fact that the Indonesians themselves are more socially conscious and mentally aware of the actions. A more matured society.


In a sane society our COAS would have resigned, however we aren't that type of a society.
The absence of corruption alone would not be an underlying factor. However, corruption would mean that it erodes any efforts by government to be integrated or significant at local levels. I highlighted that the lack of or inability to enforce secularity over the years led to entrenched and often extreme religious views. Hallmarks of BH were there from the independence with religious riots a common theme. BH continued the trend by attacking government and churches.

BH started at some point after sharia got introduced to Northern Nigeria and the citizens there being tired of the lack of government policies or effects on their societal structure (religious extreme teachings replaced secular education) embraced it or gave tacit support. Example, seeing policemen tax people would have eroded any positives they had of the government. Instead because of their entrenched beliefs (which also saw most resist 'western education') they turned a blind eye to BH until it came back to bite them in their asses. Despite the success so far, the ideology for and against still remains in significant 'splits' which sees us swatting what looks like unending numbers of this human infestation.

Same is somewhat playing out in the ND where Government papers over the crack of effects of their absence in local oil producing populations by bribing those strong enough to engage them to keep oil flowing. Ideally, agitations should see a wise Government looking to diminish the efforts of such armed groups while doing more for the ND citizens. Over time, the same citizens would give little support to any such groups when the Government or actively gets involved.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 2:24pm On Jul 29, 2016
Henry240:
I have a question, it's very important.



How do we stop, or completely end this Boko-Haram menace? As it is, i'm completely exhausted and out of ideas. I'm sure the military is also tired. 3 Nigerian Presidents and 5 Nigerian Chiefs of Army Staff (COAS) have now fought Boko-Haram, yet an end simply isn't in sight, are we staring at a 30 years insurgency like Turkey?



..... Or do we need to get enough Goats, Palm-wine, Yams and Palm-oil to go beg the terrorists to stop the violence in the North-East.



MATTERS ARISING.

Nice question here ;henry240

First of all we can only manage insurgency to the bearest minimum, cos it's an ideology and I pray it would not get to the Internet level, where people are being radicalized and used to perpetrate evil works. Like what happened in France, germany, Belgium etc. Here are my own suggestions ;

- we have to invest a lot in information gathering and it's technology.

-we have to check cross borders activities and tighten our checkpoints.

-making good use of local's who have the zeal and passion for revenge.. grin. Gaining local trust and working with village/town elders as we may have t in different communities.

-Goverment/military must be rootless, not these western or European way of tackling insurgency. It will take us no where!

-cooperation between affected countries who share borders. They should be able to share information and trust each others. And I think it's high time we an umbrella or a powerful military collation in these part of the world , that can rise to any insurgency treats.

- lastly our government should put the love of her citizenry and IDP first. They lack the social economical will to end or minimize insurgency. Since its an ideology the government should invest heavily in grass root education, agriculture and proverty elevation. Don't forget an angry/hungry man is a devils work-shop.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 3:18pm On Jul 29, 2016
nemesis2u:


it is a question whose answers cannot be discussed in a open public forum.

there are only partial solutions which when applied together might get u the best possible solution.


let me ask u all a counter question

tell me the single major fault of the nigerian intelligence which happened even before the start of the BH .
if nigerian intelligence had taken action on that fault/indicator/trend , BH might not have existed today.

lets see if u guys know the root cause of BH.
theoretically answers r many but the practical answer is one.


Honestly to some extent I agree with. If our intelligence agency acted on time there will be nothing called BHT that we have today.

Now let me tell you how BH started.

I was serving in Maiduguri as a youth corp 2009 and my primary place of assignment was Borno housing cooperation behind my primary place of assignment was shagari estate where Mohammed Yusuf camp and it's followers where all living, close to a Nigeria railway station and ashaka cement and my house was just a stone throw(orobo house) which was eventually burnt & raised down during the first uprising where Mohammed Yusuf was killed, we where the first batch C. God so loved me that I was without food for up to three days and I manage to escape with my life to Nigeria's christian corners fellowship in "Tundun warda" very close to Borno park.

As of then Mohammed Yusuf had its on little army but the security outfit did not paid much attention to these. Some where dressed in red, black and white turban, which indicates it's army,police and hospitality respectively. Borno state was one of the first state that declared or helmet for every okada. Which they revolted that they can wear it on there turban and it's against there religious believes.

Note before the first uprising, Mohammed Yusuf has always being a torn inside Alumodu sherrif's flesh as Borno state governor then, he makes use of these small kids they call "alemajiri's", am not sure if I got the spelling right. They stage protest and some times cause commotion around a market close to shagari estate called "Abagarnaram market",please am not good with hausa spelling's.

It was the revolt and protest they staged that Mohammed Yusuf was arrested and later released by the states security service. The protest continued and turned to another, Mohammed Yusuf and his followers demanded there religion was to be respected and they should not be arrested or harassed by the police men. Behold these was how BH started.

It all started a bloody Sunday evening, where police HQ,police college,etc they where all first target. They where all situated along the same route before getting to Monday market and the state secretarial office, I can't remember the name of the road now. It all lasted 10 days of blood bath sitting at home, food ration and sleeping with fear.

Now a week before these ugly thing started - we all heard news that Mohammed Yusuf flowers where about to attack Maiduguri metropolean city. "M.M.C". There was these rumour about one of his followers making a local bomb or I.E.D with PVC pipe which eventually exploded during the making, I don't know how far true these was but the goverment and security agents good be to ignore the news or threat that they where just mere rumours. Alas less than a week BH first uprising started.

Mohammed Yusuf was later captured at one of her in laws family house and murdered at police HQ, where the then governor said he should be e limited because he was a menace to the well being of the state. He has be arrested several times and demanded to be sent o Abuja because he has connections and eventually he will be released. Over 500,000 people lost there lives in less tha 10 days. He was not taking to Abuja these time he was brutally eliminated at the police HQ me alongside with other fellow corpers witnessed it.


My conclusion his, at it being the state security service and police acted on time before Mohammed Yusuf religion grew out of hand, there will be nothing called BH today. Eventually Muhammed Yusuf third in command his the popular blood sicker called "shekau". Mohammed Yusuf and his second in command was killed 2009 and BH grow and split to different faction we have today.

Please don't mind my typography mistakes, am not actually good typing with smart phones.....
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 4:17pm On Jul 29, 2016
We are engage in CT & COIN with grps designated as BHT
yussifiya, ISWAP, Ansaru
Multifacet trends are respossible for the rise of this grps
Bad governance
Pilitical thuggery
Poverty n hunger
Unemployment
climate change lake chad dry / poor Agro
This trends played critical role in inducing rebellion against the state. Lack of political will to crush the group n failure to sustaining security ops after initial crack down during Yar adua made them stronger .



COIN made process
CT we need robust Intel sys

This alongside Good governance, rebuilding, Education, sustain political will and aggressive Intel with tactical ops on instigators,finance n supply links within n outside NGR
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 4:58pm On Jul 29, 2016
bidexiii:


Honestly to some extent I agree with. If our intelligence agency acted on time there will be nothing called BHT that we have today.

Now let me tell you how BH started.

I was serving in Maiduguri as a youth corp 2009 and my primary place of assignment was Borno housing cooperation behind my primary place of assignment was shagari estate where Mohammed Yusuf camp and it's followers where all living, close to a Nigeria railway station and ashaka cement and my house was just a stone throw(orobo house) which was eventually burnt & raised down during the first uprising where Mohammed Yusuf was killed, we where the first batch C. God so loved me that I was without food for up to three days and I manage to escape with my life to Nigeria's christian corners fellowship in "Tundun warda" very close to Borno park.

As of then Mohammed Yusuf had its on little army but the security outfit did not paid much attention to these. Some where dressed in red, black and white turban, which indicates it's army,police and hospitality respectively. Borno state was one of the first state that declared or helmet for every okada. Which they revolted that they can wear it on there turban and it's against there religious believes.

Note before the first uprising, Mohammed Yusuf has always being a torn inside Alumodu sherrif's flesh as Borno state governor then, he makes use of these small kids they call "alemajiri's", am not sure if I got the spelling right. They stage protest and some times cause commotion around a market close to shagari estate called "Abagarnaram market",please am not good with hausa spelling's.

It was the revolt and protest they staged that Mohammed Yusuf was arrested and later released by the states security service. The protest continued and turned to another, Mohammed Yusuf and his followers demanded there religion was to be respected and they should not be arrested or harassed by the police men. Behold these was how BH started.

It all started a bloody Sunday evening, where police HQ,police college,etc they where all first target. They where all situated along the same route before getting to Monday market and the state secretarial office, I can't remember the name of the road now. It all lasted 10 days of blood bath sitting at home, food ration and sleeping with fear.

Now a week before these ugly thing started - we all heard news that Mohammed Yusuf flowers where about to attack Maiduguri metropolean city. "M.M.C". There was these rumour about one of his followers making a local bomb or I.E.D with PVC pipe which eventually exploded during the making, I don't know how far true these was but the goverment and security agents good be to ignore the news or threat that they where just mere rumours. Alas less than a week BH first uprising started.

Mohammed Yusuf was later captured at one of her in laws family house and murdered at police HQ, where the then governor said he should be e limited because he was a menace to the well being of the state. He has be arrested several times and demanded to be sent o Abuja because he has connections and eventually he will be released. Over 500,000 people lost there lives in less tha 10 days. He was not taking to Abuja these time he was brutally eliminated at the police HQ me alongside with other fellow corpers witnessed it.


My conclusion his, at it being the state security service and police acted on time before Mohammed Yusuf religion grew out of hand, there will be nothing called BH today. Eventually Muhammed Yusuf third in command his the popular blood sicker called "shekau". Mohammed Yusuf and his second in command was killed 2009 and BH grow and split to different faction we have today.

Please don't mind my typography mistakes, am not actually good typing with smart phones.....


thanks for the post , reading this kind of stuff makes time spent on this forum worthwhile.

but unfortunately neither u nor henry 24o came close to the answer to my question.u guys concentrating on Mohammed Yusuf , but he is just a event in the chain of events , he accidently helps to obscurate / hide / divert the real actors /reasons etc

what has happened in nigeria is happening to a certain east europen country right now , hope they realize it soon.

now to the answer

in a bush/forest fire the concern is not the bush/forest , the concern is the source which will light/fire up the bush/forest and turn it into a blazing inferno. the forest/bush will always be there , can do nothing about that , what can be done is identify the possible source and triggers which will ignite the forest/bush.

northern Nigeria was in the radar or certain countries because of its dominate religion Islam.

the religion has existed almost peacefully barring local incidents.
local mosques and religious leaders "mullahs" comprised of local Nigerians only.

it is safe to assume that local Nigerian mullahs would think twice before sow the seeds of destruction that would someday consume everybody , including them.


yes , they can form groups and do some isolated incidents of violence in order to gather attention.
but nothing of the sort of the aberration that is boko haram.

even before Mohammed Yusuf money and a certain ideology where making their way into northern nigeria , some where in the form of charity , some came in through NGOs , some came directly to the mosques as grants etc.
foreign mullahs were making a beeline of mosques in northern Nigeria , what is interesting is the fact that one of the first commanders of boko harem who surrendered and is undergoing rehabilitation program told his interviewee that he and many of them came under the influence of one such foreign mullah (the nationality of this mullah makes me smile) , he told that initially they were hesitant to follow what was being taught but after months of attending the sermons they starting conforming to the ideology. his first kill was very difficult , he cried after his first murder but later he killed many and now he has nightmares and has to face the demons of the past now.

also many local mullahs were sponsored to study in madrassahs in certain countries where they were indoctrinated and sent back.

some money filled the pockets of politicians and government officials who looked the other way.
initially the promise was monetary help to form a party / fund a existing party that would bring them to the forefront of Nigerian politics.
later foreign mullahs were introduced with the promise of raising / attracting more followers to the said parties / groups , however these foreign mullahs were double edged swords they accomplished much more , they replaced the voices of the saner local mullahs and slowly but surely indoctrinated / brainwashed a majority of the mosque going population into their interpretation of Islam.

BH is only a label , a local dressing of sorts. death of Mohammed Yusuf was merely an excuse a red herring , if Mohammed Yusuf would not have died , some other excuse would have been made. have no doubt on that.

what i want to say initially BH was kick stared by external manipulation of local problems/misgivings , it is very much evident if u know where to look, once BH got started all / most of external help was withdrawn and as time progressed BH became more and more local and today everybody knows and see BH as a Nigerian home made creation.

so what was the role of Nigerian intelligence when millions of dollars and truck loads of foreign mullahs were being sent to northern Nigeria.

i hope u know the answer now.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by BlackBaron: 6:28pm On Jul 29, 2016
nemesis2u:
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To an extent this is not the dynamics of the situation.
Very little evidence of external support to BH has been proven over the years.
You'd have to be Nigerian or have lived to know why it happened.

Northern Nigeria has always been a simmering hotbed of conservative and almost domineering religious views. The Northern Premier after independence made some controversial statements right from the amalgamation. Few years after independence, it spilled into religious crisis which became a common occurrence. We previously also had a Boko Haram 'lite' in Maitatsine and his followers.

It is no rocket science that a third world country would have poor intelligence but to state that BH is as a result of external preachers is far fetched. BH has been very localised to certain regions of the North, The NE and NC. The spread of sunnis goes across the whole north which then does not correlate with the theory else we would have potential cells all over.
A better example are the Shias who even if not a major headache now are shown to have active backing from external sources.

Its why we got to look into getting the right people and instead we get Islamists like a previous Zamfara governor whose body language leaned more into religiousity than a functional secular society. Those are the people oiling the cogs.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 7:08pm On Jul 29, 2016
BlackBaron:

To an extent this is not the dynamics of the situation.
Very little evidence of external support to BH has been proven over the years.
You'd have to be Nigerian or have lived to know why it happened.

Northern Nigeria has always been a simmering hotbed of conservative and almost domineering religious views. The Northern Premier after independence made some controversial statements right from the amalgamation. Few years after independence, it spilled into religious crisis which became a common occurrence. We previously also had a Boko Haram 'lite' in Maitatsine and his followers.

It is no rocket science that a third world country would have poor intelligence but to state that BH is as a result of external preachers is far fetched. BH has been very localised to certain regions of the North, The NE and NC. The spread of sunnis goes across the whole north which then does not correlate with the theory else we would have potential cells all over.
A better example are the Shias who even if not a major headache now are shown to have active backing from external sources.

Its why we got to look into getting the right people and instead we get Islamists like a previous Zamfara governor whose body language leaned more into religiousity than a functional secular society. Those are the people oiling the cogs.

i am not well informed on all the dynamics and also not a final authority on this.
and i hold a well informed nigerian person opinion more credible then mine on matters relating to nigeria.

but i stand by my statement that external preachers / funding had a significant role . i cannot divulge my sources. but there r open sources which also indicates the same. maybe someday the skeletons will come out of the closet .

we know and see what is presented to us in the media, but on 2nd thought , isn't this a aberration , we r thinking what others want us to think .
also lots of people had pieces of the pie that came in from outside , so another reason that attention / information on this is scare in the media because it will / might compromise the same.

if somebody can visit the rehabilitation centers for BH and interview the oldest ones , then he / she will/may find the truth.

"It is no rocket science that a third world country would have poor intelligence"
it is not poor intelligence, it is inaction , political shenanigans hampers intelligence agencies , rest u have to figure.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by BlackBaron: 8:26pm On Jul 29, 2016
nemesis2u:
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The theory about poor intelligence stems from an example of successive coups previously executed sometimes by people below their noses. Poor intelligence rather than inaction led to this.
Current intelligence are better than before but still not the best.

BH has followed a pattern that came before foreign clerics were ever invited.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 9:23pm On Jul 29, 2016
BlackBaron:

To an extent this is not the dynamics of the situation.
Very little evidence of external support to BH has been proven over the years.
You'd have to be Nigerian or have lived to know why it happened.

Northern Nigeria has always been a simmering hotbed of conservative and almost domineering religious views. The Northern Premier after independence made some controversial statements right from the amalgamation. Few years after independence, it spilled into religious crisis which became a common occurrence. We previously also had a Boko Haram 'lite' in Maitatsine and his followers.

It is no rocket science that a third world country would have poor intelligence but to state that BH is as a result of external preachers is far fetched. BH has been very localised to certain regions of the North, The NE and NC. The spread of sunnis goes across the whole north which then does not correlate with the theory else we would have potential cells all over.
A better example are the Shias who even if not a major headache now are shown to have active backing from external sources.

Its why we got to look into getting the right people and instead we get Islamists like a previous Zamfara governor whose body language leaned more into religiousity than a functional secular society. Those are the people oiling the cogs.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by persius555(m): 9:25pm On Jul 29, 2016
I will go with nemesis2u on this one. The BH under Mohammed yusuf fought with bow, arrows and dane guns and in just a few months, BH was making IEDs and spreading their ideology with the sophistication of satellite technology.
BH was a tool in the hands of foreign sponsors, but what their agenda is till date, we do not know. If turkey affiliated schools in Nigeria can be used as a financial conduit pipe to fund coup plots in Turkey without the knowledge of our intelligence agencies then we shouldn't be pondering over who the sponsors of BH are.
Left to me, BH had the backing of both foreign and local sponsor.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 9:28pm On Jul 29, 2016
nemesis2u:



thanks for the post , reading this kind of stuff makes time spent on this forum worthwhile.

but unfortunately neither u nor henry 24o came close to the answer to my question.u guys concentrating on Mohammed Yusuf , but he is just a event in the chain of events , he accidently helps to obscurate / hide / divert the real actors /reasons etc

what has happened in nigeria is happening to a certain east europen country right now , hope they realize it soon.

now to the answer

in a bush/forest fire the concern is not the bush/forest , the concern is the source which will light/fire up the bush/forest and turn it into a blazing inferno. the forest/bush will always be there , can do nothing about that , what can be done is identify the possible source and triggers which will ignite the forest/bush.

northern Nigeria was in the radar or certain countries because of its dominate religion Islam.

the religion has existed almost peacefully barring local incidents.
local mosques and religious leaders "mullahs" comprised of local Nigerians only.

it is safe to assume that local Nigerian mullahs would think twice before sow the seeds of destruction that would someday consume everybody , including them.


yes , they can form groups and do some isolated incidents of violence in order to gather attention.
but nothing of the sort of the aberration that is boko haram.

even before Mohammed Yusuf money and a certain ideology where making their way into northern nigeria , some where in the form of charity , some came in through NGOs , some came directly to the mosques as grants etc.
foreign mullahs were making a beeline of mosques in northern Nigeria , what is interesting is the fact that one of the first commanders of boko harem who surrendered and is undergoing rehabilitation program told his interviewee that he and many of them came under the influence of one such foreign mullah (the nationality of this mullah makes me smile) , he told that initially they were hesitant to follow what was being taught but after months of attending the sermons they starting conforming to the ideology. his first kill was very difficult , he cried after his first murder but later he killed many and now he has nightmares and has to face the demons of the past now.

also many local mullahs were sponsored to study in madrassahs in certain countries where they were indoctrinated and sent back.

some money filled the pockets of politicians and government officials who looked the other way.
initially the promise was monetary help to form a party / fund a existing party that would bring them to the forefront of Nigerian politics.
later foreign mullahs were introduced with the promise of raising / attracting more followers to the said parties / groups , however these foreign mullahs were double edged swords they accomplished much more , they replaced the voices of the saner local mullahs and slowly but surely indoctrinated / brainwashed a majority of the mosque going population into their interpretation of Islam.

BH is only a label , a local dressing of sorts. death of Mohammed Yusuf was merely an excuse a red herring , if Mohammed Yusuf would not have died , some other excuse would have been made. have no doubt on that.

what i want to say initially BH was kick stared by external manipulation of local problems/misgivings , it is very much evident if u know where to look, once BH got started all / most of external help was withdrawn and as time progressed BH became more and more local and today everybody knows and see BH as a Nigerian home made creation.

so what was the role of Nigerian intelligence when millions of dollars and truck loads of foreign mullahs were being sent to northern Nigeria.

i hope u know the answer now.




I totally disagree with you.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 9:34pm On Jul 29, 2016
persius555:
I will go with nemesis2u on this one. The BH under Mohammed yusuf fought with bow, arrows and dane guns and in just a few months, BH was making IEDs and spreading their ideology with the sophistication of satellite technology.
BH was a tool in the hands of foreign sponsors, but what their agenda is till date, we do not know. If turkey affiliated schools in Nigeria can be used as a financial conduit pipe to fund coup plots in Turkey without the knowledge of our intelligence agencies then we shouldn't be pondering over who the sponsors of BH are.
Left to me, BH had the backing of both foreign and local sponsor.

Boko Haram under Mohammed Yusuf fought with new toyota hilux "tear rubber" with AAG/HMG. These is what I saw with my two "korokoro" eyes.

When his camp was destroyed at shagari estate, he has its own lab where he fabricates and weld HMG to the hilux vehicles. Mohammed Yusuf has being planning for the uprising for a very long time.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 9:46pm On Jul 29, 2016
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by BlackBaron: 9:52pm On Jul 29, 2016
persius555:
I will go with nemesis2u on this one. The BH under Mohammed yusuf fought with bow, arrows and dane guns and in just a few months, BH was making IEDs and spreading their ideology with the sophistication of satellite technology.
BH was a tool in the hands of foreign sponsors, but what their agenda is till date, we do not know. If turkey affiliated schools in Nigeria can be used as a financial conduit pipe to fund coup plots in Turkey without the knowledge of our intelligence agencies then we shouldn't be pondering over who the sponsors of BH are.
Left to me, BH had the backing of both foreign and local sponsor.
Local sponsors and sympathisers aplenty, significant foreign support has not yet been proven. After BH got repressed the first time, they went on to regroup while simultaneously staging raids on local police stations. That's where they got their start ups and their weapons look very similar to what we use. As for efforts to liase with foreign groups within the sub continent and afar, they made contacts with similar groups like in Mali and similarly made entreaties to Bin Laden, one of which they found letter from BH at Abbotabad.

Knowledge of ieds probably came from passing down of knowledge plus downloads off the internet as it was well known they frequented jihadi forums. Nothing is advanced about satellite, all it'll take is for a local skilled in telecoms or smuggle a guy in from abroad.
As for Turkey, meh, Erdogan and his ex allies have scores to settle. Let them provide proof of their wild conjectures.

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