Olu317:
I am amazed with the fabricated story by some of you from Bini had began to tell the world from this year's February 2016 before the demise of the Omo n' Oba .Anyway truth can can only subdued for a while but will always manifest no matter how many years it takes . I want to direct some questions to areafada2 because it is obvious he knows a lot about Bini history. My question are these; why didnt Oduduwa return if he was a prince in Binin? why was the King's body part of the Oba of Bini(mostly the head) buried in IFE in ancient times?, why do Bini believe they came out from UHE(IFE)?,apart from UHE( IFE) that Bini also claim, where did they migrated from to the (UHE) IFE? why do Bini claim to migrate from UHE(IFE) if Oduduwa wasn't of Yoruba stock? correct the spelling of the the place of migration if it wasn't spelt perfectly..I am a Yoruba blood 100%...Let
me be informed

DeRay98:


If you want to know check my profile and post you 'll find it out.
It's you who is either not Edo or a half Yoruba half Edo.

sinceraconcept:
leave the girl alone >>>Drchristian.
The girl love Yorubas and she wants to be called Yoruba than a Bini girl because she thinks yorubas are worth it

Drchristian:

well said.
but you do agree to d fact dat my write ups are totally true? cuz I cannot lie against my people.

Yoruba doesn't have to feed me with lies to knw.I've done my own research. Some bini people sud stop constructing lies too.

"Uselu" was where prince Oranmiyan founded d first palace. he later ruled as a king for sometime bf he left his Son "Owomika"(Eweka) on his throne.

Do u knw dat Uselu is used in several towns in yorubalands closed to oba's palace.? Uselu is a yoruba word that means "Making of a town" or "d rulling of a town" it simply signifies a Yoruba man has ruled d Benin Palace in d past.

Oba's use is another yoruba word in Benin while "Ogiso" is d translation in benin.

Do u knw Oba Akenzua ii was born and raised in yoruba land.....he speaks only Yoruba language and he was d first Oba to banned Yoruba as d official language in bini's palace in 1934.

Olu317:
you people of Edo have erred on so ma
ny utterances as it concerns Ododuwa. with your argument,you said, the Ododuwa probably told the Ancient IFE people that he was Edo/ogiso dynasty and that the Yoruba people out of pride hid it. If I may ask the children of the Edo kingdom, how many them as males/females will traveled to far distance land and after acquiring great wealth,affluence and power in that country will not want to come back and to conquer his detractors/enemies in his or her ancestral home? why would he (Odu'a) deny his ancestral home to his children? should the Yoruba raise up against them in the future How come he didn't tell the people to bury him after his death at his real ancestral home in Edo?How come the ancestral home of Yoruba doesn't have any strong influence of Ododuwa's Edo Language in their dialect on which all other Yoruba dialects developed from? instead the reverse was the case in Bini with Yoruba language having great influence in it. in fact many of the Binis are Of IFE(yoruba migrants) to Edo. Non of these was eminent in Yoruba history about Odu'a 's spoken language . In fact no Yoruba grouping even has ever lay any tangible claim to Edo as his or her historical ancestral home except via marriages and those that fused with Yoruba,history still have record of them pooh haa. Having said these,history has made us to know that Ododuwa was not imposed by anyone but chosen by IFA Oracle and not that he was a conqueror of a people,that meant that the man was part and parcel of the people..I am even more disappointed with you when you said Edo's history is shrouded in mystery because it is perceived as dating back to 5000 years. On Yoruba account, with great humility do I boast through God, why do you think it was easy to write the Yoruba Bible by one anointed by God, Samuel Ajayi crowded in 1844, do you think yorubas were ordinary people? Are the Yorubas the only the groups sold as slaves?“Capital No as answer ",but then because they know who they are, they never relent until they Excel. Do you think it was ordinary when Samuel Johnson wrote about the history of Yoruba in 1888/1895 when the publisher in the UK,having read throw it,was devastated threw it away or burn it and said it got lost? It was because we Yoruba have history to back us up and you all hate the truth. Do you think it was easy to be the first to set up television station in Africa to be borne in Yorubaland in 1953?,History can not be distorted, no matter how, the truth will always prevail. learn more about Yoruba history, perhaps you will be enlightened more from the following book written in the past and more studying of Yoruba traditions by even WHITES THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF CURIOSITY ABOUT YORUBA nation. READ,:THE YORUBA SPEAKING PEOPLE BY ELLIS ALFRED BURTON 1894,REVISED VERSION OF HISTORY OF YORUBA BY SAMUEL JOHNSON 1921,ORIGIN OF YORUBA as THE LOST TRIBE OF ISREAL by Kierk Lange, The Black jews of Africa etc, I will advise you people of ogiso grouping need to do more emphasis on knowing where you come from before you can even be laying claim to another ra
ce.. So help you God and God bless Yoruba Race

AreaFada2:


Thank you. I learnt under eminent scientists that an intelligent person asks the right questions. Not necessarily the one who gives the right answers.

Why didn't Oduduwa return if he was a prince in Binin?: Chief Oliha (he crowns the Oba since then) and the other senior chiefs that went to Ife/Uhe tried to persuade Ekaladerhan/Ododuwa to return but he refused. Now, Ehkaladerhan was supposed to have been murdered/sacrificed in the forest due to the evil machinations of his step-mother/Queen. But the executioners could not bear to murder a crown prince. They let him live but made him swear never to return to Benin. He escaped death by the skin of his teeth. He had also become ruler in Ife. So considering his newfound fortune of Kingship & bad memory of only just escaping death, it is not farfetched that refused to return. A man (Ekaladerhan) possibly in his 60s or older, who has found fortune, respect and dignity among his subjects in Ife has little incentive to leave all that. The complex system of kingship in Benin & palace intrigues that he already witnessed and only just survived were enough to put him off. Even the young agile Oranmiyan could not cope with the elaborate, fierce & convoluted system in Ogodomigodo and he left saying this Kingdom is "Ile-Ubinu". Oba Erediauwa departed many months ago now but ceremonies are still going on & the crown prince is not crowned yet. That is how elaborate, complex & detailed the system is and has been for centuries.

Why was the King's body part of the Oba of Bini(mostly the head) buried in IFE in ancient times?: We hear a lot about this, but no conclusive evidence that that was the case. I have many relatives as palace chiefs in Benin who should know. But none has confirmed it. Royal tradition is sacredly maintained and never distorted. Even if that was the case that body or body part was taken to Ife, it could be because Oranmiyan the father of Oba Eweka I was probably buried in Ife too. But no credible source has confirmed this.

Why do Bini believe they came out from UHE(IFE)?: Wrong. Benin people do not & never claim to come from Ife/Uhe. A Benin saying is that "Uhe o bie Oba", meaning "Ife gave birth to the Oba". This indicates the birth of the first Oba (oranmiyan) after the end of Ogiso/Oba-Godo era, in Ife. Even though he did not stay long in Benin, he was still the first post-Ogiso Oba. Yoruba people make this mistake a lot. That Oranmiyan came from Ife does not make all Benin people come from Ife. The House of Bernadotte is the Royal Family of Sweden. Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte was a French general under Napoleon Bonaparte (Emperor of the French) before he became King of Sweden/Norway. But Swedes are not French. The British Royal family is German, but the British do not count as Germans. The former Royal family of Greece was Danish/German but Greeks are not Danes. Ptolemy, a general under Alexander The Great became Pharaoh of Egypt & was ancestor of Queen Cleopatra of Egypt, but Egyptians were not and are not Greeks. Examples abound throughout history.

As to where Benin people migrated from, like most Nigerian tribes, it is not scientifically proven where they originally came from. That probably happened thousands of years back, possibly 5000 years or more. Too long for any credible oral history to survive. In 9ja, some tribes claim to have used ladder to climb down from heaven, etc. None is scientific. The most likely version for Benin is that of coming from Egypt/Nubia/Sudan. Tell me of any Nigerian tribe with DNA/archeological/Scientific evidence of where they originally came from 5000 or more years ago.

Now, the other Question is not relevant since Benin people never migrated to Ife in the first place.

I am amazed with the fabricated story by some of you from Bini had began to tell the world from this year's February 2016 before the demise of the Omo n' Oba. You have not been following similar topics on NL. I have posts dating back to years here on this matter. Though some lost during Cyber attack on NL. Nothing new. Just that people, especially from the SW, have a set mind on the issue & hardly read versions not theirs. Benin people typically mind their business unless others want to use numerical or political advantage in the current Nigerian contraption to twist history. Benin people then respond to set the record straight. The Alake of Abeokuta sometime last year or so claimed that Benin monarchy was third in the hierarchy in Yorubaland. Benin had to correct that provocative statement by letting Alake remember that Benin's Ogiso dynasty gave birth to Ekaladerhan/Ododuwa & therefore cannot be lower than any Yoruba King. Moreover, Benin has never been part of Yorubaland.

Sometimes, I believe people are not interested in seeking the truth. All seem to have a position that whether rational or not, they want to stick to it.

My suggestion is simple. Why not do DNA studies among Benin, Ife Royal families and relatives in the female line of pre-oranmiyan Ogisos? Science can trace back which is the parent genetic line.

That should settle it finally.

Konquest:

^^^^^^
^^^^^^
OK...

Something just caught my eyes...


The Birth of the First Oba [Oranmiyan].

1.] "Uhe o bie Oba"
Ife gave birth to the Oba in Bini-Edo language.
[Edonised Yoruba].


2.] "Ife o bi Oba"
Ife gave birth to the Oba in Yoruba language.


"Uhe o bie Oba" and "Ife o bi Oba" are VERY SIMILAR. "O bie" and "O bi" both mean "Gave Birth."

... This is very interesting.


The Yoruba and Bini have different origins, but there are profound linguistic and cultural similarities as well. I love both cultures.

Thanks to all who have contributed positively
to this thread for the benefit of all!

Drchristian:
Firstly, pardon my grammar I know I'm poor at it but my messages will be passed across to everyone.

Contrary to the popular circulating stories regarding Oduduwa, I will share my own side as a bini girl. I can categorically tell nigerians we binis are from yorubas with the following;

Ile ubinu corrupted to ile bini

We binis knows our words although we often use other yoruba words as ours and is a shame some people wants to claim these words cheaply e.g

a. Pepeye(Duck), Gogbo e (everything), jeje, sha, ni, Omo, abi, ashawo, Egunsi, Oyibo/Oyinbo, Agbada, patapata, iyawo Osa (god) e.t.c

b. Oba is a yoruba word..I speak both bini and yoruba with these I should know.

c. Why are past oba of binis burried in Ife?

d. Why is Oduduwa festival always celebrated by we bini when he's not even d first Oba of bini or a bini warrior. why can't we have our own hero.

e. Oranmiyan, Oduduwa, Eweka and other past kings in bini are corrupted yoruba names.

f. Olokun, isango/sango, aiyelala, ifa, obatala e.t.c are yoruba native gods though.

g. Why is benin referred to as Oduduwa land by binis? afterall Oduduwa was bini prince that became king in ile-Ife.

h. Many street names are yoruba names.

I. Yoruba language is being taken as a subject in some part of Edo's secondary schools e.g d Akoko edos and Bini.

j. Why are 90% of towns in edo doesn't use d title Oba to refer to as their kings but ogiso e.t.c?

k. Study d map of Nigeria one should know d probable region all d Edo tribes migrated from not that majority will come out of few.

There is no doubt that some miscreants are behind this purported story carefully revised by lazy and jobless people that studied yoruba history to bring out their own this can cause hatred amongst the two ethnic groups but pls bear in mind that not only bini tribe in Edo-state, there are other tribes in bini that are even more in population than the binis.
Oba of binis and his cohorts and Igbos should desist from these unestablished facts period and focus on his job cause without yoruba there won't be Bini.
u dey crazy for head...na ur bury oba of benin for ife?

RedboneSmith:


'She' is not a girl. And 'she' is not Bini.

RedboneSmith:


'She' is not a girl. And 'she' is not Bini.