ksexiest:


I know all uve listed but my question is how did you get yours?

1) given birth in the us?

2) went for visiting/ schooling then got married to a citizen?

3) employed by a us citizen after entering with a visitor or student visa?

4) ur parents did either of the above listed options, became a citizen and u got your green card through them?

Don't list it like it's all rosy from the start, someone paid a price for the BLUE passport you highlighted in capslock........

I don't owe you any explanation, but to satisfy your curiosity the answer is number 4.

ednut1:
when was nigeria great abeg

In the 70s bros

kings09:
Indeed. Does Nigeria look as if thr z any progess @ all especially economy

If not this president, our next one shall help us get there ... hopefully.

linearity:


Theoretically, you are correct but to a large extent, you are not.

First, the filibuster rule is still in place to a large extent in the Senate, which means the minority Democrat Senators will have a say in bills.

Second, you only need 3 Senators from the GOP side,to flip on each bill that require simple majority votes and there are more than 3 GOP senators that are from blue states, who will gauge the tone and will of their constituents on each bill before voting.

Third, America is not a democracy, it is a constitutional Republic, which means Americans have certain enumerated inalienable rights that no President, Senators, Congress or majority of America citizens can take away.

Fourthly, Politicians in American always listen to their constituents and knows that, their jobs & seats are not guaranteed, the next time around, if they screw them.

Remember that, Trump is not a politicians, he does not know the inner workings of the US establishment. Some of his utterances during the campaign are against Republicans conservative values and if you look at his current transition team, they are made up of career Republican politicians and his rumored picks for various positions are the same. Which means, though something's will change, but you will be highly disappointed if you expect a drastic change or even most of the things he mentioned on the campaign trail coming to past.

Campaigning is one thing, governorship is another.

Fingers crossed. I know there will be little changes during the Trump's presidency, Just hope the little changes does not end up affectting immigration.
Most republicans are anti-immigration.

abbey621:


The same way most people go about it after they get their citizenship through one of the following ways:

1: Born in the U.S

2: Married a U.S citizen after 3 years get citizenship

3: Employed by a U.S company and was able to adjust status and then after citizenship.

4: Green card qualified for through parents then after 5 years qualification for citizenship.

Anymore questions?

The Diversity Visa Lottery. One obtains the greencard about two weeks upon arrival in the States and qualify for citizenship after 5 years of no criminal status.

RaeMystix:

The Diversity Visa Lottery. One obtains the greencard about two weeks upon arrival in the States and qualify for citizenship after 5 years of no criminal status.

Oh yea forgot about that,wish they can bring that back so my people can come here lawfully. Hopefully after they deport the illegals, they can give Nigerians another chance

abbey621:


Nice write up but you are also wrong to an extent. Americans have certain rights but if you are an illegal immigrant and/or a criminal those rights are off the table. A lot of Trump's plans can be carried out via executive order. This means he does not need the consent of Congress. Trump is a businessman which means he has been dealing with government officials, business people and technocrats for a very long time, he is a strategists which means he is highly unpredictable, the majority in the House and Senate will only work in his favor and not against him as a majority of the American people believe that Washington is broken and power needs to return to the States. For example Obamacare, Trump could use a process called reconciliation to strike down parts of the law that is unfavorable, this requires less votes from Congress and will surely pass with little efforts. Other issues like NAFTA and TPP are also dead because majority of Republicans agrees with Trump, these are 3 crucial issues that could be fixed within 100 days of the Trump's presidency and will make him even more popular.

Let me address your points one after the other:

1. Striking down unfavorable portions of Obamacare via reconciliation and leave the favorable portions.
This is Alice in wonderland wish list, when it comes down to the actual work, it is not possible. The most hated unfavorable portion of Obamacare is the individual mandate and the favorable portions seems to be: removal of pre-existing condition for buying insurance, allowing teens to stay on their parents policies till age 26, removing lifetime caps, etc.

If you look closely, the favorable portions is being paid for by the unfavorable portion, if you remove the individual mandate....Insurance company will not be able to offer any of the favorable portions, because their pool will only contain sick people, no one will be forced to buy insurance until they are sick and the insurance companies will be out of business within a month.

The only sure path is to repeal the whole of Obamacare, or appoint DHS reps that will change rules to undermine the law or starve it of funds, the net effect of any of these is, about 20 million Americans will loose coverage, and all the favorable portions that he promised Americans during the campaign that, he will keep, will be all gone! The Republican will have a lot to answer for in situation like these, next time around at the pool and believe me, despite all the talks, they are approaching 'Repeal of Obamacare' with caution.

2. NAFTA and TPP Dead!
Yes, they can do this, but they risk running the Country into a Recession. By repealing NAFTA, the flow of America manufactured goods and services will also be subjected to the same type of tariff and fees abroad that the American government subjected these countries goods to at the import into American. As we know, no single country is an Island, if American goods & services do not find favorable entrances into markets all over the world, those manufacturing companies that were been protected by these policies in America will crumble under their own weight. Plus, this will exacerbate the problem at the US-mexico border...one of the things NAFTA did was to allow companies strive in Mexico that employed lots of Mexicans, many Agricultural companies sprang up in mexico because they had easy access to America market. Once NAFTA is repealed, all those people will head to border and will invade America for jobs. If Trump like, let him built a 30ft wall, they will construct a 31ft ladder, plus digger additional and bigger tunnels into America.

3. Deport 2-3million illegal Immigrants
Firstly, this will require a huge budget, I doubt is congress is going to appropriate this kind of funds, so this huge task will be left to current ICE agents, plus...it is not true that illegal immigrates do not have these inalienable rights that citizens have. They have a right to due process of the law, you cannot just capture them in the night and ship them home the next morning. Only a judge can order deportation, and if these immigrats have access to good lawyers, they can delay this process for a long time and if this is coordinated, they will clog the court system.

Plus, American businesses love cheap labor, those grocery you see at Walmart and your local supermarket are cheap thanks to the cheap labor from the illegal Mexicans. So All that Trump policies here will achieve is to drive them underground.

If Trump and the GOP truly want to deport 3million illegals, they would have gone after the employers. If the demand is dried, the supply will crumble, but they will not do that, because most of these businesses are own by Republicans and Republican donors.

4. Remember, majority of Americans voted for Hillary. Trump's win is attributed to the fact that, many people stayed home and did not border to vote, most believed that Hillary got it in the bags and did not border to vote. So Trump or the Republicans do not have a mandate here. As they risk loosing their jobs, the next time around, hence they will be very cautious on everything they do.

Will there be any changes with Trump win? Yes! there will be changes, but they will not be as drastic as he suggested during the campaign.

@Linearity, Lol, your number four is funny, you were there with them at their homes to know if they stayed back?

You have said it all.☑️.

linearity:


Let me address your points one after the other:

1. Striking down unfavorable portions of Obamacare via reconciliation and leave the favorable portions.
This is Alice in wonderland wish list, when it comes down to the actual work, it is not possible. The most hated unfavorable portion of Obamacare is the individual mandate and the favorable portions seems to be: removal of pre-existing condition for buying insurance, allowing teens to stay on their parents policies till age 26, removing lifetime caps, etc.

If you look closely, the favorable portions is being paid for by the unfavorable portion, if you remove the individual mandate....Insurance company will not be able to offer any of the favorable portions, because their pool will only contain sick people, no one will be forced to buy insurance until they are sick and the insurance companies will be out of business within a month.

The only sure path is to repeal the whole of Obamacare, or appoint DHS reps that will change rules to undermine the law or starve it of funds, the net effect of any of these is, about 20 million Americans will loose coverage, and all the favorable portions that he promised Americans during the campaign that, he will keep, will be all gone! The Republican will have a lot to answer for in situation like these, next time around at the pool and believe me, despite all the talks, they are approaching 'Repeal of Obamacare' with caution.

2. NAFTA and TPP Dead!
Yes, they can do this, but they risk running the Country into a Recession. By repealing NAFTA, the flow of America manufactured goods and services will also be subjected to the same type of tariff and fees abroad that the American government subjected these countries goods to at the import into American. As we know, no single country is an Island, if American goods & services do not find favorable entrances into markets all over the world, those manufacturing companies that were been protected by these policies in America will crumble under their own weight. Plus, this will exacerbate the problem at the US-mexico border...one of the things NAFTA did was to allow companies strive in Mexico that employed lots of Mexicans, many Agricultural companies sprang up in mexico because they had easy access to America market.

3. Deport 2-3million illegal Immigrants
Firstly, this will require a huge budget, I doubt is congress is going to appropriate this kind of funds, so this huge task will be left to current ICE agents, plus...it is not true that illegal immigrates do not have these inalienable rights that citizens have. They have a right to due process of the law, you cannot just capture them in the night and ship them home the next morning. Only a judge can order deportation, and if these immigrats have access to good lawyers, they can delay this process for a long time and if this is coordinated, they will clog the court system.

Plus, American businesses love cheap labor, those grocery you see at Walmart and your local supermarket are cheap thanks to the cheap labor from the illegal Mexicans. So All that Trump policies here will achieve is to drive them underground.

If Trump and the GOP truly want to deport 3million illegals, they would have gone after the employers. If the demand is dried, the supply will crumble, but they will not do that, because most of these businesses are own by Republicans and Republican donors.

4. Remember, majority of Americans voted for Hillary. Trump's win is attributed to the fact that, many people stayed home and did not border to vote, most believed that Hillary got it in the bags and did not border to vote. So Trump or the Republicans do not have a mandate here. As they risk loosing their jobs, the next time around, hence they will be very cautious on everything they do.

Will there be any changes with Trump win? Yes! there will be changes, but they will not be as drastic as he suggested during the campaign.

abbey621:


Oh yea forgot about that,wish they can bring that back so my people can come here lawfully. Hopefully after they deport the illegals, they can give Nigerians another chance

Its still ongoing, just not open for Nigerians. I hope they bring it back for Nigerians.

If Don Jazzy and D' banj and Ti

If Don Jazzy and D' banj and Tiwa Salvage no for come back to naija them for never make am .
Coming back can be a blessing for the would be deportees .
Infact my brother that stayed in Germany for 15 yrs on returning my Dad tore his passport, and treathing All kinds of things but at the end He eventualy stayed back in naija and is now doing very very well here in naija .

trump can go suck a boil for all i care

benjamin007:
I sorry for Benin people oooo

Meaning?

benjamin007:
I sorry for Benin people oooo

Meaning?

D way it's looking, diz set of politicians we have will never allow Nigeria grow. It will take watever power (economic n political) they have. Buhari who is part of dis class just confirmed dat

iluvpomo:
If not this president, our next one shall help us get there ... hopefully.

obixcel:
@Linearity, Lol, your number four is funny, you were there with them at their homes to know if they stayed back?

The 2016 US Presidential election can be summed in a single sentence, taking percentage of votes and it is..."There was a drop in democrats votes, with a spike in votes for third party candidate candidates and with Republican votes holding steady, resulting in an electoral college victory for the republicans and a majority votes for the democrats."

If you do your independent research, you will also come to the same conclusion.

ensamy:
If Don Jazzy and D' banj and Tiwa Salvage no for come back to naija them for never make am .
Coming back can be a blessing for the would be deportees .
Infact my brother that stayed in Germany for 15 yrs on returning my Dad tore his passport, and treathing All kinds of things but at the end He eventualy stayed back in naija and is now doing very very well here in naija .

your papa harsh .. kai

abbey621:
If you arrived the U.S illegally or overstayed your visa, you are a CRIMINAL. The U.S for most part has been lenient on this issue for many years but now there is a business man in charge fueled by a strong urge for change by the American people. First step towards making the country great again is to remove the illegals, criminals and leeches from the system.

Many illegal immigrants work very hard in the US. Among them there are criminals that need to be deported. Immigration reform is what is required.

abbey621:


Why then do we bother with having laws, we should just do away with all the laws and live like animals. By your reasoning as long as the end justifies the means nothing can go wrong. I have some examples that would help to put things in perspective for you:

1. Emeka/Haruna/Bolaji got a visiting visa and upon arrival to the U.S decided they were not going back. Emeka/Haruna/Bolaji cannot work in a high paying job because they do not have the proper papers hence they must result to stolen identities and forgery in order to get a job that pays higher. Emeka/Haruna/Bolaji have broken two laws, overstaying their visa and identity theft.

2. Bimbo/Ngozi/Hadiza applied for visiting visa at the U.S embassy, they were all denied due to not having strong ties to Nigeria. The visa officer feared that they might over stay their visa. Bimbo/Ngozi/Hadiza won visa lottery in the year 2022, they had their interview at the U.S embassy but were denied on the grounds that Ngozi is related to Emeka who overstayed his visa, Hadiza is a sister to Haruna and Bimbo listed Bolaji as her husband.


These two scenarios shows the devastating consequences of illegal immigration on those qualified to come here legally. You might say they just want to survive and feed their families but so does a bandit that robs a bank because he wants to pay for his child's surgery. The law is the law and offenders should be shown no SYMPATHY!

Oga u wicked o wella,

iluvpomo:
Many illegal immigrants work very hard in the US. Among them there are criminals that need to be deported. Immigration reform is what is required.

It's not about working hard, if you broke the law you must face the consequence. A country is not a country if it does not have it's laws enforced and it's borders protected. My main argument against illegal immigration is simple, those that are willing to wait at the embassy and follow proper protocols are they stupid? The U.S grants more visas and green cards than any other nation on the planet yet the illegals still try to out game the system, this was okay when the U.S economy was still vibrant but now that the nation is 20 Trillion dollars in debt, even natural born citizens are feeling the heat.

abbey621:


It's not about working hard, if you broke the law you must face the consequence. A country is not a country if it does not have it's laws enforced and it's borders protected. My main argument against illegal immigration is simple, those that are willing to wait at the embassy and follow proper protocols are they stupid? The U.S grants more visas and green cards than any other nation on the planet yet the illegals still try to out game the system, this was okay when the U.S economy was still vibrant but now that the nation is 20 Trillion dollars in debt, even natural born citizens are feeling the heat.

Again, you have to factor in the reality. I am not advocating instant citizenship for anyone who has broken the immigration law. However the fact still remains that many illegal immigrants are gainfully employed albeit with minimum wages. If you think someone lines up in the US embassy in Lagos or Abuja to come here and wash plate or work in a farm then you are deceiving yourself my guy. If any American is telling you he is ready to do that job then why is he or she not doing it already? Immigration reform is what is needed and also strictly enforced. Regular checks also need to be made with the various employers. Treating hardworking illegal as criminals is not a humane and deportation is an expensive and unnecessary approach. Are you going to jail anyone that steals a pen?

iluvpomo:

Again, you have to factor in the reality. I am not advocating instant citizenship for anyone who has broken the immigration law. However the fact still remains that many illegal immigrants are gainfully employed albeit with minimum wages. If you think someone lines up in the US embassy in Lagos or Abuja to come here and wash plate or work in a farm then you are deceiving yourself my guy. If any American is telling you he is ready to do that job then why is he or she not doing it already? Immigration reform is what is needed and also strictly enforced. Regular checks also need to be made with the various employers. Treating hardworking illegal as criminals is not a humane and deportation is an expensive and unnecessary approach. Are you going to jail anyone that steals a pen?

Sorry to say but your mentality is a Nigerian one and not that of a sophisticated society. Do you know that Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than the past 3 presidents combined? The only reason there are no outrage is because of the biased media. The first thing you must accept is that everyone that overstays their visa or comes to the US illegally have broken the law. Once you acknowledge that then you must ask yourself does the U.S have laws against this, if the answer is yes then the law must be enforced. Everyone has a good reason for breaking the law but that does not take away the crime, I have no doubt that there would be some kind of immigration reform but there would also be a lot of deportation. Finally there are lots of Americans willing to do the jobs you described but the greed of the business world makes business owners seek the services of illegal immigrants who are underpaid and most don't file taxes. Trust me it costs nothing to give temporary visas to odd job workers but U.S law demands that they be paid a fair wage, this is why illegal immigrants thrive in America.

zanebaddo:
Na money wey no gree enter my hand.... . USA, GERMANY, CANADA, AUSTRALIA one of them for see new immigrant




Make nigeria great una ass!

I dey tell u my brother na money wen no dey but never the less I go still go one of the country u lists yes on u talk am well make nigeria great una ass

Ok oh we hear u special adviser or international matters

abbey621:
Sorry to say but your mentality is a Nigerian one and not that of a sophisticated society. Do you know that Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than the past 3 presidents combined? The only reason there are no outrage is because of the biased media. The first thing you must accept is that everyone that overstays their visa or comes to the US illegally have broken the law. Once you acknowledge that then you must ask yourself does the U.S have laws against this, if the answer is yes then the law must be enforced. Everyone has a good reason for breaking the law but that does not take away the crime, I have no doubt that there would be some kind of immigration reform but there would also be a lot of deportation. Finally there are lots of Americans willing to do the jobs you described but the greed of the business world makes business owners seek the services of illegal immigrants who are underpaid and most don't file taxes. Trust me it costs nothing to give temporary visas to odd job workers but U.S law demands that they be paid a fair wage, this is why illegal immigrants thrive in America.

Ok but have you said that can be considered sophisticated? Regurgitating Trump's campaign promises is not exactly a display of a solid thought process. How do you estimate the funding and logistics of deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants will be sourced by DHS? Do you think undocumented workers like the fact that they are paid low wages for the job they do?
You seem to be now changing your words and moving over to my side of the argument. Immigration reform is needed. Mass deportations of all undocumented immigrants is just what Trump said in the campaign trail to energize the 'poorly educated voters'

iluvpomo:

Ok but have you said that can be considered sophisticated? Regurgitating Trump's campaign promises is not exactly a display of a solid thought process. How do you estimate the funding and logistics of deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants will be sourced by DHS? Do you think undocumented workers like the fact that they are paid low wages for the job they do?
You seem to be now changing your words and moving over to my side of the argument. Immigration reform is needed. Mass deportations of all undocumented immigrants is just what Trump said in the campaign trail to energize the 'poorly educated voters'

First of all, I voted for Trump and my academic qualifications are on the high end so I resent your statement about "poorly educated voters".Next, if you kept up with recent events, you would know that Trump's plan is to deport the illegals that have been found guilty of criminal offenses. This is in the range of 2 to 3 million, he would then deport additional people as approved per Congress so it is possible about 6 million or more illegal immigrants might get some kind of amnesty through a reform. Next, from 2009 till now Obama has deported over 3 million people so stop acting as if deportation is such a hard thing to do, America is one of the most sophisticated countries in terms of logistics so don't worry about that. Finally the fact that I agree with you on immigration reform does not mean I support your entire argument, read my premise and you'll understand why I agree with immigration reform.

abbey621:
First of all, I voted for Trump and my academic qualifications are on the high end so I resent your statement about "poorly educated voters".Next, if you kept up with recent events, you would know that Trump's plan is to deport the illegals that have been found guilty of criminal offenses. This is in the range of 2 to 3 million, he would then deport additional people as approved per Congress so it is possible about 6 million or more illegal immigrants might get some kind of amnesty through a reform. Next, from 2009 till now Obama has deported over 3 million people so stop acting as if deportation is such a hard thing to do, America is one of the most sophisticated countries in terms of logistics so don't worry about that. Finally the fact that I agree with you on immigration reform does not mean I support your entire argument, read my premise and you'll understand why I agree with immigration reform.

I did not make up that term, Trump himself used it, ... 'poorly educated (link)' .... during his campaign ... LOL!
I also do not want to comment on an "Ogun state university" qualification
So Trump is basically now changing it from deporting 11 million to 2 to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Now, where are your facts that 2-3 million are criminals? Have you done any fact checking? The Migration Policy institute estimates it to be about 820,000 (link) only.
You earlier demanded that all undocumented migrants should be deported. I am glad that you have taken a different stance on that in the process of our discussion.

linearity:


Let me address your points one after the other:

1. Striking down unfavorable portions of Obamacare via reconciliation and leave the favorable portions.
This is Alice in wonderland wish list, when it comes down to the actual work, it is not possible. The most hated unfavorable portion of Obamacare is the individual mandate and the favorable portions seems to be: removal of pre-existing condition for buying insurance, allowing teens to stay on their parents policies till age 26, removing lifetime caps, etc.

If you look closely, the favorable portions is being paid for by the unfavorable portion, if you remove the individual mandate....Insurance company will not be able to offer any of the favorable portions, because their pool will only contain sick people, no one will be forced to buy insurance until they are sick and the insurance companies will be out of business within a month.

The only sure path is to repeal the whole of Obamacare, or appoint DHS reps that will change rules to undermine the law or starve it of funds, the net effect of any of these is, about 20 million Americans will loose coverage, and all the favorable portions that he promised Americans during the campaign that, he will keep, will be all gone! The Republican will have a lot to answer for in situation like these, next time around at the pool and believe me, despite all the talks, they are approaching 'Repeal of Obamacare' with caution.

2. NAFTA and TPP Dead!
Yes, they can do this, but they risk running the Country into a Recession. By repealing NAFTA, the flow of America manufactured goods and services will also be subjected to the same type of tariff and fees abroad that the American government subjected these countries goods to at the import into American. As we know, no single country is an Island, if American goods & services do not find favorable entrances into markets all over the world, those manufacturing companies that were been protected by these policies in America will crumble under their own weight. Plus, this will exacerbate the problem at the US-mexico border...one of the things NAFTA did was to allow companies strive in Mexico that employed lots of Mexicans, many Agricultural companies sprang up in mexico because they had easy access to America market. Once NAFTA is repealed, all those people will head to border and will invade America for jobs. If Trump like, let him built a 30ft wall, they will construct a 31ft ladder, plus digger additional and bigger tunnels into America.

3. Deport 2-3million illegal Immigrants
Firstly, this will require a huge budget, I doubt is congress is going to appropriate this kind of funds, so this huge task will be left to current ICE agents, plus...it is not true that illegal immigrates do not have these inalienable rights that citizens have. They have a right to due process of the law, you cannot just capture them in the night and ship them home the next morning. Only a judge can order deportation, and if these immigrats have access to good lawyers, they can delay this process for a long time and if this is coordinated, they will clog the court system.

Plus, American businesses love cheap labor, those grocery you see at Walmart and your local supermarket are cheap thanks to the cheap labor from the illegal Mexicans. So All that Trump policies here will achieve is to drive them underground.

If Trump and the GOP truly want to deport 3million illegals, they would have gone after the employers. If the demand is dried, the supply will crumble, but they will not do that, because most of these businesses are own by Republicans and Republican donors.

4. Remember, majority of Americans voted for Hillary. Trump's win is attributed to the fact that, many people stayed home and did not border to vote, most believed that Hillary got it in the bags and did not border to vote. So Trump or the Republicans do not have a mandate here. As they risk loosing their jobs, the next time around, hence they will be very cautious on everything they do.

Will there be any changes with Trump win? Yes! there will be changes, but they will not be as drastic as he suggested during the campaign.

Excellent write up.

abbey621:


It's not about working hard, if you broke the law you must face the consequence. A country is not a country if it does not have it's laws enforced and it's borders protected. My main argument against illegal immigration is simple, those that are willing to wait at the embassy and follow proper protocols are they stupid? The U.S grants more visas and green cards than any other nation on the planet yet the illegals still try to out game the system, this was okay when the U.S economy was still vibrant but now that the nation is 20 Trillion dollars in debt, even natural born citizens are feeling the heat.

I concur.

By the way, I hope you were born here, and you're not some hypocrytical loser that broke the law to stay here.

iluvpomo:

You voted for Trump and yet you cannot recognize that Trump himself used the term 'poorly educated' during his campaign ... LOL!
I also do not want to comment on an "Ogun state university" qualification
So Trump is basically now changing it from deporting 11 million to 2 to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Now, where are your facts that 2-3 million are criminals? Have you done any fact checking? The Migration Policy institute estimates it to be about 820,000 only.
You earlier demanded that all undocumented migrants should be deported. I am glad that you have taken a different stance on that in the process of our discussion.

Honestly you have a comprehension problem and now I understand where your bias comes from, you are one of those CNN watching socialist. Let me repeat my stance, all illegal immigrants are criminals. They have broken the law and should be deported but just because I believe that does not mean it will happen. Your Washington post article also mentions that the figure could be up to 1.9 million if we count legal immigrants convicted of felonies that causes them to lose their legal status. Learn to read carefully instead of jumping at every article you see! As for your shade on my qualifications, you couldn't be more ignorant if you think that an Olabisi Onabanjo University degree is what I used to rise into a management position at the biggest insurance firm in the U.S. I would love to enlighten you more but it's 8pm here and I need to read my son a bedtime story