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Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by Nobody: 7:09pm On Jan 01, 2017
dalaman:


Why are you dancing all over a very clear verse? Does the verse say that deciples have the ability to forgive sins? Yes it does, so what are you yapping on about? Men have the ability to forgive sins, the passage even goes as far as saying that if the men do not forgive people their sins their sins will not be forgiven.

Does the verse not also say AS THE FATHER HATH SENT ME SO I ALSO SEND YOU?

What were they sent to do?
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by randomperson: 7:11pm On Jan 01, 2017
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4everGod:



Your constant rude and vitriol laden outbursts is one of the reasons why i said you should not quote me. I am tired of little kids who simply because they have weathered the storm of keyboard ignorance can now open their blabber mouths and say whatever trashy word pops into their head at any and everyone just so they can appear to be making a point in a discussion which isnt even a quarrel.

If that is the way you were brought up then kindly look for someone who is like you and can vomit junk like you and battle it out. I do not wish to entertain it. I just explained it to you here in a very simple understandable manner.

Respect it. There are myriads of others to troll here. Take me off your list. Thank you very much.
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Trash.... U post your arguments, I poke holes in them. U don't have to reply me. In fact, I hope u don't... Good riddance undecided

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Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by Nobody: 7:12pm On Jan 01, 2017
randomperson:
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Trash.... U post your arguments, I poke holes in them. U don't have to reply me. In fact, I hope u don't... Good riddance undecided

Indeed good riddance is a ditto! You are free to poke holes elsewhere without quoting me.
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by dalaman: 7:13pm On Jan 01, 2017
4everGod:


Does the verse not also say AS THE FATHER HATH SENT ME SO I ALSO SEND YOU?

What were they sent to do?

They were sent to do what Jesus told them in the verse.
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by dalaman: 7:14pm On Jan 01, 2017
DoctorAlien:
dalaman,

Follow this link for a clarification on John 20:23, and its unity/harmony with the with the rest of the Bible.

PASTORAIO pls follow the link and tell me what you think of it. Christian apologist and their mental gymnastics.

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Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by randomperson: 7:16pm On Jan 01, 2017
4everGod:


Indeed good riddance is a ditto! You are free to poke holes elsewhere without quoting me.
If and when I quote u, u can call your god to assassinate me... Guess that's his normal job description anyway... Jehovah the Assassin
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by Nobody: 7:17pm On Jan 01, 2017
dalaman:


They were sent to do what Jesus told them in the verse.


Dalaman why this dishonesty na undecided

AS THE FATHER HATH SENT ME .......What did the father send Jesus to do?

SO I SEND YOU ................You cannot know what exactly they were sent to do without first saying what God sent Jesus to do first.

The forgiveness angle was to be an aftermath ofr the assignment Jesus was sending them to do.

Were they meant to be moving everywhere dishing out forgiveness like a flier and telling every tom dick and harry that their sins are forgiven even when they were yet in sin?

Were they to see a robber and say hey i know you are still robbing but your sins are forgiven...Or a fornicator and say hey i know you are going into that house to sleep with that woman or man but your sins are forgiven?

So Dalaman what did God send Jesus into the world to Do which made Jesus say AS THE FATHER HATH SENT ME SO I SEND YOU?
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by PastorAIO: 7:21pm On Jan 01, 2017
DoctorAlien:
dalaman,

Follow this link for a clarification on John 20:23, and its unity/harmony with the with the rest of the Bible.

First, no interpretation is to be placed upon a difficult and obscure passage (such as this one) that would place it in direct conflict with numerous other clear texts.

Hmmm... So John 20:23 is a difficult and obscure passage.

only God can bestow absolute pardon (cf. Psa. 130:4; Isa. 43:25; Dan. 9:9; Mic. 7:18; Acts 8:22). The Lord did not grant that right to the apostles or anyone else.
And the 'clear texts' are from the Old Testament.

Second, there is a biblical idiom whereby one sometimes is said to actually do what he is merely authorized to declare.


So how do we know that when Jesus told the cripple that his sins are forgiven that he was not merely declaring what he was authorized to declare, rather than doing the forgiving himself. But leave that aside first ....


What absolute pooh, talking about Biblical idioms!!! Was the Bible written in one language? Was the bible written in a single era? NO!
So there is no such thing as a Biblical idiom. Greek and Hebrew are two totally different languages with their own idioms. And the bible was written over many centuries in which Idioms are bound to have changed.

We should also consider this important point. The Greek tenses of John 20:23 make it clear that the apostles were authorized only to announce the terms of forgiveness on the basis of God’s previous appointment.

Literally, the text suggests:

“Those whose sins you forgive, have already been forgiven; those whose sins you do not forgive, have not already been forgiven.”

More desperation. So why are we admonished to forgive. We can just say, 'well, If I can't bring my self to forgive you, that must be because God hasn't forgiven you, so it is not my fault'.

These desperados are prepared to go against the teachings of Jesus to maintain their point.

23 “Therefore the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his servants.[a] 24 When he began to settle, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents.[b] 25 And since he could not pay, his master ordered him to be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26 So the servant[c] fell on his knees, imploring him, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you everything.’ 27 And out of pity for him, the master of that servant released him and forgave him the debt. 28 But when that same servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii,[d] and seizing him, he began to choke him, saying, ‘Pay what you owe.’ 29 So his fellow servant fell down and pleaded with him, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you.’ 30 He refused and went and put him in prison until he should pay the debt. 31 When his fellow servants saw what had taken place, they were greatly distressed, and they went and reported to their master all that had taken place. 32 Then his master summoned him and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 And should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?’ 34 And in anger his master delivered him to the jailers,[e] until he should pay all his debt. 35 So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart.

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Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by PastorAIO: 7:23pm On Jan 01, 2017
dalaman:


PASTORAIO pls follow the link and tell me what you think of it. Christian apologist and their mental gymnastics.

I've already done so. Check it out.
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by jonbellion(m): 7:24pm On Jan 01, 2017
4everGod:



[s]Dalaman why this dishonesty na undecided

AS THE FATHER HATH SENT ME .......What did the father send Jesus to do?

SO I SEND YOU ................You cannot know what exactly they were sent to do without first saying what God sent Jesus to do first.

The forgiveness angle was to be an aftermath ofr the assignment Jesus was sending them to do.

Were they meant to be moving everywhere dishing out forgiveness like a flier and telling every tom dick and harry that their sins are forgiven even when they were yet in sin?

Were they to see a robber and say hey i know you are still robbing but your sins are forgiven...Or a fornicator and say hey i know you are going into that house to sleep with that woman or man but your sins are forgiven?

So Dalaman what did God send Jesus into the world to Do which made Jesus say AS THE FATHER HATH SENT ME SO I SEND YOU?[/s]
shut the fukk up
Happy new year smiley

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Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by Deicide: 7:26pm On Jan 01, 2017
dalaman:


PASTORAIO pls follow the link and tell me what you think of it. Christian apologist and their mental gymnastics.
He once gave me a Link from Gotquestion. Org so I gave him another from the same gotquestion. Org and he disagreed with the one I gave but accepted the one he gave.... Christianity is all about Ben Dan select anyone you like pick any one you don't like leave it grin

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Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by Nobody: 7:27pm On Jan 01, 2017
PastorAIO:




Hmmm... So John 20:23 is a difficult and obscure passage.


And the 'clear texts' are from the Old Testament.



So how do we know that when Jesus told the cripple that his sins are forgiven that he was not merely declaring what he was authorized to declare, rather than doing the forgiving himself. But leave that aside first ....


What absolute pooh, talking about Biblical idioms!!! Was the Bible written in one language? Was the bible written in a single era? NO!
So there is no such thing as a Biblical idiom. Greek and Hebrew are two totally different languages with their own idioms. And the bible was written over many centuries in which Idioms are bound to have changed.



More desperation. So why are we admonished to forgive. We can just say, 'well, If I can't bring my self to forgive you, that must be because God hasn't forgiven you, so it is not my fault'.

These desperados are prepared to go against the teachings of Jesus to maintain their point.

23 “Therefore the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his servants.[a] 24 When he began to settle, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents.[b] 25 And since he could not pay, his master ordered him to be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26 So the servant[c] fell on his knees, imploring him, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you everything.’ 27 And out of pity for him, the master of that servant released him and forgave him the debt. 28 But when that same servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii,[d] and seizing him, he began to choke him, saying, ‘Pay what you owe.’ 29 So his fellow servant fell down and pleaded with him, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you.’ 30 He refused and went and put him in prison until he should pay the debt. 31 When his fellow servants saw what had taken place, they were greatly distressed, and they went and reported to their master all that had taken place. 32 Then his master summoned him and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 And should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?’ 34 And in anger his master delivered him to the jailers,[e] until he should pay all his debt. 35 So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart.





Therefore the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his servants.[a] 24 When he began to settle, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents.[b] 25 And since he could not pay, his master ordered him to be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26 So the servant[c] fell on his knees, imploring him, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you everything.’ 27 And out of pity for him, the master of that servant released him and forgave him the debt. 28 But when that same servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii,[d] and seizing him, he began to choke him, saying, ‘Pay what you owe.’ 29 So his fellow servant fell down and pleaded with him, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you.’ 30 He refused and went and put him in prison until he should pay the debt. 31 When his fellow servants saw what had taken place, they were greatly distressed, and they went and reported to their master all that had taken place. 32 Then his master summoned him and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 And should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?’ 34 And in anger his master delivered him to the jailers,[e] until he should pay all his debt. 35 So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart.[


[b]That entire Narration is summarized in Mathew 6: 12

And Forgive us Our Trespasses, as we Forgive those who Trespass against Us.

That is all it was saying.
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by Nobody: 7:29pm On Jan 01, 2017
jonbellion:
shut the fukk up
Happy new year smiley


i want to believe you were being sadistically funny to say the least. This is a new year and i honestly will not tolerate crass talk from anyone. If people cannot learn to speak in a civil manner than that means they are totally not worth holding a conversation with as that is a devolution of intelligence. I will let this pass.

Happy New Year
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by jonbellion(m): 7:30pm On Jan 01, 2017
4everGod:



i want to believe you were being sadistically funny to say the least. This is a new year and i honestly will not tolerate crass talk from anyone. If people cannot learn to speak in a civil manner than that means they are totally not worth holding a conversation with as that is a devolution of intelligence. I will let this pass.

Happy New Year
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by PastorAIO: 7:30pm On Jan 01, 2017
4everGod:



That entire Narration is summarized in Mathew 6: 12

And Forgive us Our Trespasses, as we Forgive those who Trespass against Us.

That is all it was saying.


When when we forgive others who trespass against us, is it really us doing the forgiving or is it God?

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Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by Nobody: 7:32pm On Jan 01, 2017
PastorAIO:



When when we forgive others who trespass against us, is it really us doing the forgiving or is it God?


I have already explained this earlier why are you dragging yourself back and forth.

I already explained to you that there are 2 kinds of forgiveness. Go back to my comment pls.
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by PastorAIO: 7:35pm On Jan 01, 2017
4everGod:



I have already explained this earlier why are you dragging yourself back and forth.

I already explained to you that there are 2 kinds of forgiveness. Go back to my comment pls.

What you explained earlier is different from what they are saying in the link you posted.

The fact is, though all Christians are to forgive one another, i.e., have a forgiving disposition (Eph. 4:32), ultimately, only God can bestow absolute pardon (cf. Psa. 130:4; Isa. 43:25; Dan. 9:9; Mic. 7:18; Acts 8:22). The Lord did not grant that right to the apostles or anyone else.

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Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by Nobody: 7:36pm On Jan 01, 2017
PastorAIO:


What you explained earlier is different from what they are saying in the link you posted.


When did i give you that link? Are you confused?
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by Nobody: 7:41pm On Jan 01, 2017
By the way PastorAIO i made my comment before you went to that link given to you by DoctorAlien. However the link seems to be saying exactly what i said. This was my last quote on my comment about 2 kinds of forgiveness

Man can forgive sin carried out to him by another man but his forgiveness only justifies the one who forgave and not the recipient because the recipient still has his role to play twofold by seeking forgiveness from the one he offended and also from God who ultimately Justifies him.


Your quote from DoctorAliens link

The fact is, though all Christians are to forgive one another, i.e., have a forgiving disposition (Eph. 4:32), ultimately, only God can bestow absolute pardon (cf. Psa. 130:4; Isa. 43:25; Dan. 9:9; Mic. 7:18; Acts 8:22). The Lord did not grant that right to the apostles or anyone else

Notice the similarity?


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Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by Taiwo6213: 7:47pm On Jan 01, 2017
frosbel2:
Hell is a sign of God's LOVE for you , in fact he LOVES you so deeply that he is going to burn you forever if you do not LOVE him back.

God wants you to LOVE him perfectly because he LOVED you first , and if you spurn this LOVE or refuse to LOVE him back , you will be plunged into the bottomless abyss in an instant, burning with brimstone for all of eternity.

You see , your soul is so precious to God that he is determined to punish you for all eternity for losing it by a sinful and wicked lifestyle. Don't worry, when you are burning in eternal agony, embraced by the flames of his wrath and consumed by the worm that dies not, you can be comforted in knowing that it is all because God LOVES you :-)

Without HELL there cannot be God's LOVE because after all, how can God LOVE his creatures without the threat of eternal torture , this is the only way he can keep you in line with his LOVE and make you appreciate what he has done to save you from this terrible place.

God is LOVE, remember ? Oh yes, you cannot afford to forget for if you do , hell awaits you for eternity.

Hell is real and God is LOVE.






This is a wrong way to explain hell and God's love. This is a demonic post.
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by DoctorAlien(m): 7:52pm On Jan 01, 2017
PastorAIO:
So how do we know that when Jesus told the cripple that his sins are forgiven that he was not merely declaring what he was authorized to declare, rather than doing the forgiving himself. But leave that aside first ....

What absolute pooh, talking about Biblical idioms!!! Was the Bible written in one language? Was the bible written in a single era? NO!
So there is no such thing as a Biblical idiom. Greek and Hebrew are two totally different languages with their own idioms. And the bible was written over many centuries in which Idioms are bound to have changed.
You are unintelligent. A Hebrew idiom can be literally expressed in Greek. Jesus is a GOD so He forgave the man.

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More desperation. So why are we admonished to forgive. We can just say, 'well, If I can't bring my self to forgive you, that must be because God hasn't forgiven you, so it is not my fault'.
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Quote the whole article.

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Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by Nobody: 8:10pm On Jan 01, 2017
akintom:

Of course, a zombie, fathered by filthy Jewish doG can't but find feces a choice meal.

Have you finished? Do you feel better now?
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by Nobody: 8:11pm On Jan 01, 2017
Taiwo6213:



This is a wrong way to explain hell and God's love. This is a demonic post.

Everything is demonic with you people !

Did you even understand the post ?
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by Nobody: 8:14pm On Jan 01, 2017
Anas09:

God won't be the one to plunge anyone into hellfire, anyone who rejects Christ has automatically plunge himself into hellfire. Its a choice.

Nobody is going to YOUR hell, it simply does not exist . No matter how much you and your ilk salivate at the prospect of billions burning in this mythical place , fiction will remain fiction and it aint gonna happen.
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by akintom(m): 8:16pm On Jan 01, 2017
4everGod:


Have you finished? Do you feel better now?
The religious folks remain the last group psychos, that shall be classified as mentally ill.

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Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by obinna58(m): 11:42pm On Jan 01, 2017
DoctorAlien:


The bolded: are you lying or are you exhibiting your normal ignorance?

Most All of these folks claiming they were Christians before they became atheists are simply lying. When you behold the magnitude of ignorance oozing from their arguments, you begin to wonder whether they ever opened a copy of the Bible. Most of them argue based on what they heard other people say about the Bible. Nobody who tastes the goodness of Christ ever turns back from Him.
. Hahaha ur silly thought
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:48am On Jan 02, 2017
4everGod:
By the way PastorAIO i made my comment before you went to that link given to you by DoctorAlien. However the link seems to be saying exactly what i said. This was my last quote on my comment about 2 kinds of forgiveness

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Your quote from DoctorAliens link



Notice the similarity?


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Nailed it !

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Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by truthislight: 1:03pm On Jan 02, 2017
PastorAIO:


It's not about what I believe. It's about what I post. What I post changes a lot. It challenges what you post. it makes readers think. Some innocent prey that might have fallen for your posts would be more cautious when they see a counter opinion. A lot can be changed. And a lot WILL be changed. We are only just starting.

Lol. He said he is just starting. That's a big fat lie grin
PastorAIO:


It's not about what I believe. It's about what I post. What I post changes a lot. It challenges what you post. it makes readers think. Some innocent prey that might have fallen for your posts would be more cautious when they see a counter opinion. A lot can be changed. And a lot WILL be changed. We are only just starting.

Lol. He said he is just starting. That's a big fat lie . He has been on this from ages past? Look at is profile, he has been on it before me and Adam. lol.

Anyway, read that place that Paul said it is his personal opinion down, you will see at the ending where he Paul said he has the holy spirit also.

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Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by truthislight: 1:09pm On Jan 02, 2017
DoctorAlien:


Continue posting whatever you believe then. Those who read their Bibles only laugh when they see foolish philosophies from confused men.

Mr man,, make your point stand if it is the truth.

You too write weting Bible no talk. that is why AIO wan put you for him pocket wan go sell you collect money.

Who told you Christians are forbidden from eating pig?

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Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by truthislight: 1:17pm On Jan 02, 2017
PastorAIO:


Going back to that text I wrote the other morning. If it doesn't contradict anything in the bible does that mean it is inspired of God and fit to be used as an authority for your life?

You seem to be confused. two things concurring do not mean that they have the same source. I would love you to actually address the point I made, and the passage I used to buttress it.

Paul states, clearly and blatantly, that the advice he is giving is 'Not from the Lord'. I really don't know how 'Not from the Lord' can be interpreted by you as 'from the lord'. Whether the statement agrees with the rest of the bible or not does not change the fact that the passage itself claims that it is 'not from the lord'.

Please if you can do the magic and turn 'not from the lord' to 'from the lord' I would be mightily entertained to read it.


If someone that has the Holy spirit like Apostle Paul said he has, when he wrote something, who should we say it is from?
Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by PastorAIO: 1:21pm On Jan 02, 2017
4everGod:
By the way PastorAIO i made my comment before you went to that link given to you by DoctorAlien. However the link seems to be saying exactly what i said. This was my last quote on my comment about 2 kinds of forgiveness

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Your quote from DoctorAliens link



Notice the similarity?


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No, you're just dribbling yourself.

I, too, said that as the Ominipotentate God is the ultimate arbiter of everything. Including Forgiveness. Including the Transgression sef. Nothing can happen without the say so of the ominipotentate.

That was not the point. You failed to address the point that I actually made.

This is what you said:


Man can forgive sin carried out to him by another man but his forgiveness only justifies the one who forgave and not the recipient because the recipient still has his role to play twofold by seeking forgiveness from the one he offended and also from God who ultimately Justifies him.

This is what the link said, and note the part that I highlighted which is the pertinent point:

The fact is, though all Christians are to forgive one another, i.e., have a forgiving disposition (Eph. 4:32), ultimately, only God can bestow absolute pardon (cf. Psa. 130:4; Isa. 43:25; Dan. 9:9; Mic. 7:18; Acts 8:22). The Lord did not grant that right to the apostles or anyone else.

That bolded part is an absolute lie. Read John Chapter 20 again.

23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you withhold forgiveness from anyone, it is withheld.”

Man can forgive sin carried out to him by another man but his forgiveness only justifies the one who forgave and not the recipient

If you know you can twist this verse, please go ahead. Show us how.

As an english speaker, this verse is clear as daylight to me. It contradicts everything you are saying and exposes you for a lying charlatan.

Jesus did impart the power to forgive sins to humans.

Furthermore he clearly states that when they forgive that forgives is real and the people are forgiven. When they don't forgive those people are NOT forgiven. So obviously the act of forgiveness affects the transgressor as well as the person transgressed.

It used to surprise me, but not anymore, how easy it is for so called christians to dismiss the direct words of Jesus as found in the bible and still maintain that they are christian, even the True christians more than everybody else.

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