Mynd44:
So you guys wanna compare Kerr to Pop now?

I can remember when someone on this site opened a thread to say Jeremy Lin was better than Hakeem Olajuwon. You people should continue

Looool na who talk am? Absolute disrepect to my fav player of all time

chic2pimp:


Looool na who talk am? Absolute disrepect to my fav player of all time

No jokes ooo

https://www.nairaland.com/874685/jeremy-lin-hakeem-olajuwon

nairamaniac:

Gossssh, at times like these I realise how much I miss being at opposite sides with you. Your humour is brilliant

Now on another note, Kerr to me had nothing to do with Golden states loss to cavs.
Lebron stepped up and warriors choked.

Anyone who discredits Kerr for golden states loss should also credit Lue for cavs victory, which I would never be a party to.

Where I place Kerr close to pop is in terms of his philosophy he brought to the game. I hear people saying they had seen the same from Antonini in pheonix. But then again I tell them look deeper and in between the lines you must see the disparities.

I kind of feel Pop's success has more to do with his longivity and playoffs appearance consistencies than philosophy/innovations he brought to the game. While Kerr's success is the exact contrast.

When your philosophy in the same team is at its best, your worst seasons shouldn't be first round exists or having seasons whereby you just make the playoffs and not compete for titles.

The philosophy Kerr initiated to warriors, the very first time we all saw them top the conference and win the title two seasons ago, I guess we all concluded in our hearts that that team would be title contenders for the next 5 to 7 years.
Not becos they had the best players. But because it would take that long for other teams to:
1) duplicate their system
2) catch up with their system
The above were the exact things the world said in their minds the very first season pep guadiola coached barca to win all contested tournaments.

Same was said of said of Manchester united and Ferguson the very first season he brought in 7players from junior team to the first team and won his first title.
Does anyone want to tell me he or she said the same of pop the very first season he led spurs to the title 1999.
Philsophy is very strong amongst every other criteria. It should protect you from having stretches of average or poor seasons(with the same team).

Lastly, it takes a good manager to manage the affairs of a company in person.
But it takes a greater manager for the company to be well managed even in his absence. All that has to be done is maintain all he brought in.
Partly credit Kerr for Luke's success while the former was away.

Let Golden states do what they are doing for the next 10years first, then we can all sit down and talk if Kerr brought something special to the team and the game or not.

I guess like me some others were unhappy GSW blew a 3-1 lead but what many don't seem to realize is that no one can really stop Lebron. Teams generally try to limit the influence he will wield on the other players surrounding him and that's what GSW could not do while they choked. Kyrie was putting big numbers as well and others like JR and Tristan were helping here and there. There was not much to do especially when the best player on the other side was incredibly subpar.

Even Pop could not contain LBJ. In the 2014 season where everyone exaggeratedly claims Kawhi did a job on Lebron, Kawhi averaged 17.8 ppg to Lebron's 28ppg. In fact the top scorer of the playoffs for SAS was Parker with 18 ppg (in other words both did not even score as well as Curry did) yet they basically swept Miami.

What am I trying to say is, some great players cannot be contained and one can only hope they have less help as much as possible and that is exactly what happened to GSW last year. But Kerr gets all the stick for it and when Pop makes a mistake we present his longevity and 5 rings to excuse it.

A40:


Game 6 was in Miami. It was a 2-3-2 format. The Heat had home court so last 2 games were on their floor.

Everybody expected Golden state to win 1 game at least to seal the deal. With home advantage. Remember also that even the year Golden State won it was without Kyrie and Love. Still it took a film guy for Kerr to know he needed to make adjustments after Game 3.

In 2000 and 2004 who stopped them? Shaq and Kobe's Lakers not some moi moi team. If not for Pop that Laker team was doing a 4peat easily. Scratch 2015 too. Duncan Ginobili ought to have retired after revenging against the Heat. They were ooold bruh

Yes kerr defers a lot and always deflects praises from himself. That's just his humility at work. Some other coach may turn down the advice and win with more difficulty but usurp all the praise. Part of what the back to back losses (very close games BTW) against Cavs help Kerr do was find out another way to win and he did exactly that. Conte (could have gotten his recent tactical ideas from his house boy too) but it is the string of 13 wins we see that we admire.

You are right at 2-3-2 but I remember vividly that champagnes were being arranged, balloons blown, tapes and curtains set-up for a Spurs party in game 6 that was not to be. Whether GSW had done same in games 5 or 7 we can never tell..lol

As for Shaq and Kobe that 2004 team got gentlemanly swept by Detroit and then Pop will come back to beat that Pistons team in 7 the following year. So it is easy to see that he perhaps did not manage his team sufficiently enough to beat the Lakers of 2004-and that's my point.

I have no doubt that Pop is number 1 but I am convinced Kerr is the clear number 2. You can read this article (it is a bit prolix but interesting).

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/02/20/golden-state-warriors-steve-kerr-stephen-curry-klay-thompson-joe-lacob

A40:
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18449636/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-frustrated-recent-officiating

LeWhine has started LeComplaining again.

Btw why is no one talking about Hayward for the Jazz. Top 4 SF in the West IMO. Maybe top 7 in the league

I thought I was the only one who noticed he was given a well deserved tech. I watched their game today just to see Kyle Korver and only for me to be served like a VIP Make I no dey salty before we blow another 4QTR lead ..

I'm enjoying you guys Pop and Kerr talk

Spo gets no love?

A40:


What the Suns lacked was the defensive grit and grime the Warriors got instilled in them by Mark Jackson. That is why the Suns always got bullied vs Spurs and Dallas. Plus Nash was never as dominant as Steph in terms of scoring.

The coaching tree of Pop alone shows his influence. Then the present rush for International players. Pop pioneered that. Grooming your players from the draft and having sustained success is all Pop.

The odd first round exit is pardonable when you can boast of 5 championships. Even the Kerr style you talk about. Hasn't he been caught and beaten already?

Kerr has a lot to prove and should not even be mentioned in the same breath as Pop till he beats a full strength Cavs team

I can't argue with anything you have said. I can only filter it. Definately, there are similarities between the suns basketball and warriors basketball styles. There would always be similarities between styles of teams, no matter how unique either of them presents itself.

But taking a deeper look at both, you would see loads of difference.

Let me also make something clear.
Most of these things you are crediting pop with has nothing to do with one court philosophy.

1) Coaching tree of pop
2) rush for international players
3) grooming players from the draft
4) 5 rings
5) 20 years plus of playoffs appearances.

All the above is more of "historical" than style/philosophy/formations/strategy.

Most likely when both the time of Kerr and pop are over from the game.
Pop would be more recognised for historical inclinations.
While Kerr may be for raw-strategies and improvement(if u want to call it that) of a unique/effective offensive style of basketball.

Like u said Kerr has a lot to prove. No doubt. I'm not comparing to pop based on their historical cv's.
Come on, 20 seasons beats 2 seasons anytime any day.
You talking of waiting till warriors beats fully healthy cavs. The problem with that is that some people would now credit that to him having 4 allstars in his team. Its such kind of talk that annoyed me when both Kerr and Durant teamed up. Cos their individual greatness would steal from themselves. But peeps thot I was playerhating or threatened by the warriors being in a position to conquer cavs and the entire NBA.

Eruditor:

Yes kerr defers a lot and always deflects praises from himself. That's just his humility at work. Some other coach may turn down the advice and win with more difficulty but usurp all the praise. Part of what the back to back losses (very close games BTW) against Cavs help Kerr do was find out another way to win and he did exactly that. Conte (could have gotten his recent tactical ideas from his house boy too) but it is the string of 13 wins we see that we admire.

You are right at 2-3-2 but I remember vividly that champagnes were being arranged, balloons blown, tapes and curtains set-up for a Spurs party in game 6 that was not to be. Whether GSW had done same in games 5 or 7 we can never tell..lol

As for Shaq and Kobe that 2004 team got gentlemanly swept by Detroit and then Pop will come back to beat that Pistons team in 7 the following year. So it is easy to see that he perhaps did not manage his team sufficiently enough to beat the Lakers of 2004-and that's my point.

I have no doubt that Pop is number 1 but I am convinced Kerr is the clear number 2. You can read this article (it is a bit prolix but interesting).

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/02/20/golden-state-warriors-steve-kerr-stephen-curry-klay-thompson-joe-lacob

Its not about his humility its about the time it took him to do the needful. If he didn't listen he would have lost that series and maybe LeBron's hype machine would be impossible to argue with. Against a team missing its 2nd and 3rd best scorer. I doubt a Pop or Carlisle struggles that mightily with that Warriors roster

The Warriors capitulation was ten times worse than that of San Antonio's. They had 3 shots to end the series. 2 games in their building. Game 7 they couldn't score for 4 minutes in their building. Abeg choking get levels

04 Lakers weren't supposed to lose to the Pistons it was a complete upset. However we are talking about a team with 4 HOFers albeit with 2 waaay past their prime. Spurs losing to them is not a big deal. They beat the Lakers the previous year which was a monster achievement. Maybe bigger than even beating the Pistons and also stopping them from a repeat

No crime in putting Kerr at #2. For me though he still has to prove he is not a rich man's Eric Spoelstra so he couldn't possibly be #2 IMO

nairamaniac:

Let me also make something clear.
Most of these things you are crediting pop with has nothing to do with one court philosophy.

1) Coaching tree of pop
2) rush for international players
3) grooming players from the draft
4) 5 rings
5) 20 years plus of playoffs appearances.

All the above is more of "historical" than style/philosophy/formations/strategy.

Most likely when both the time of Kerr and pop are over from the game.
Pop would be more recognised for historical inclinations.
While Kerr may be for raw-strategies and improvement(if u want to call it that) of a unique/effective offensive style of basketball.

Like u said Kerr has a lot to prove. No doubt. I'm not comparing to pop based on their historical cv's.
Come on, 19 seasons beats 2 seasons anytime any day.
You talking of waiting till warriors beats fully healthy cavs. The problem with that is that some people would now credit that to him having 4 allstars in his team. Its such kind of talk that annoyed me when both Kerr and Durant teamed up. Cos their individual greatness would steal from themselves.

Bros I am not understanding you. You mean it is possible to influence drafting culture, produce head coaches yet not alter the on court philosophy? Those head coaches what pattern and style do they implement after all those years of working with Popovich? They tear up and start from scratch? Even Kerr will tell you he has borrowed elements from San Antonio. (He played 4 years under him)

I'm curious as to how you can build or sustain success at anything for 5 years never mind almost 2 decades without philosophy/strategy/formation. Maybe you can show me such person

The Warriors were built from ground up. All their stars were homegrown that is why they had cap space for Durant. Let them enjoy from their hard work. Besides we are in the super team era. If LeBron could get CP3 or D.Wade he would. So let Kerr win first, you can't satisfy everybody

SmooshCHN:
I thought I was the only one who noticed he was given a well deserved tech. I watched their game today just to see Kyle Korver and only for me to be served like a VIP Make I no dey salty before we blow another 4QTR lead ..

I'm enjoying you guys Pop and Kerr talk

The guy whines too much. I have never seen anything like it. He's among the top 10 players that go to the F.T line. Still complaining as if he is the only one that goes in the paint

Hlo all, been out for a few days, travelled to one dull area like that with terrible internet. Going through the last two pages, I've surely missed alot.
Would have loved to chip in one or two things but let's not bring the house back on an already stale conversation.

A40:

Bros I am not understanding you. You mean it is possible to influence drafting culture, produce head coaches yet not alter the on court philosophy? Those head coaches what pattern and style do they implement after all those years of working with Popovich? They tear up and start from scratch? Even Kerr will tell you he has borrowed elements from San Antonio. (He played 4 years under him)

I'm curious as to how you can build or sustain success at anything for 5 years never mind almost 2 decades without philosophy/strategy/formation. Maybe you can show me such person

The Warriors were built from ground up. All their stars were homegrown that is why they had cap space for Durant. Let them enjoy from their hard work. Besides we are in the super team era. If LeBron could get CP3 or D.Wade he would. So let Kerr win first, you can't satisfy everybody

ol boy na wa o. Can't believe this is even an argument

Can Kerr do what D'Antoni is doing right now with the rockets?

Donlittle:
Can Kerr do what D'Antoni is doing right now with the rockets?

Better. But people will turn around and say "after all he had a good team" like they are saying now.

95/96 Spurs are top seeds in the West.
96/97 Robinson is injured and SAS go 20-62. Pop is hired.
97/98 Duncan is drafted
98/99 SAS win a ring

Credit Pop. Change this story and put Kerr for Pop. (No credit to Kerr he inherited a good team).

Great way to bounce back after yesterday's deflating loss. However, a sour end to the game with the scuffle/ fight between Wall and Jae.

Jae has been on the edge since Hayward and the Utah Jazz visited TD Garden and the crowd cheered for Hayward when the announcer introduced him. Jae felt insulted and insecure because Hayward plays same position and there are talks of Danny Ainge contemplating trading for Hayward. Jae loves the Celtics and his recent offensive numbers have proven he deserves to remain in Boston.

If we are able to convince Hayward to move to Boston, that would be special for our roster. It is imperative to note Brad Stevens coached Hayward at Butler when they lost consecutive NCAA championship games (2010, 2011).

#greenrunsdeep

Hmm Hmmm.. This week has been sweet..

Excuse me, what was that talk again about the West being less competitive than the East?
With b-2-b losses for the Cavs against WCF teams (not even the Top 4 teams), we should have a rethink.
I'm also pleased that our Nigerian stars are doing quite well having come back from injury- al-Farouq Aminu for the Trailblazers and Victor Oladipo with a clutch time go-ahead 3. We need more of such big plays going forward.

sapiosexual1:
Excuse me, what was that talk again about the West being less competitive than the East?
With b-2-b losses for the Cavs against WCF teams (not even the Top 4 teams), we should have a rethink.
I'm also pleased that our Nigerian stars are doing quite well having come back from injury- al-Farouq Aminu for the Trailblazers and Victor Oladipo with a clutch time go-ahead 3. We need more of such big plays going forward.

Well we won 3 of our last 4 meetings with blazers. It's so dissapointing, Cavs had 61pts at the start of 4th quater. i doubt ive ever seen them shoot this weak before. We def deserve to lose the game.

Our last two games has been so weak in defense and offense. There's nothing to think about, we still run the east. We won't hesitate to bounce back against Warriors on monday night.

Since his move, Kylie Korver has been the best player for Cavs in the past 2 games. I don't know what haters are talking about. 2 points against Jazz and 2 points against the Blazers that were very huge. I think they have found their missing piece towards actualizing their back-to-back ambitions. GSW should be worried on the 17th.

Eruditor:
Since his move, Kylie Korver has been the best player for Cavs in the past 2 games. I don't know what haters are talking about. 2 points against Jazz and 2 points against the Blazers that were very huge. I think they have found their missing piece towards actualizing their back-to-back ambitions. GSW should be worried on the 17th.

You ever heard too much sarcasm kills??
The excuse is, It's just a regular season game and he hasn't had any chance to attend any shoot around with the team yet. And still having to move his family and stuffs.. I'll cut em some slack cos he's a good guy and Irving simply choked. This week sweet die

On innovation of Warriors balk movement, the video might answer your questions..

Easily the best Bball Channel onYouTube.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDIs0GRHNc

Eruditor:
Since his move, Kylie Korver has been the best player for Cavs in the past 2 games. I don't know what haters are talking about. 2 points against Jazz and 2 points against the Blazers that were very huge. I think they have found their missing piece towards actualizing their back-to-back ambitions. GSW should be worried on the 17th.

STFU kyle korver has been useless on my fantasy team since joining d cavs.

Killrhymz:

STFU kyle korver has been useless on my fantasy team since joining d cavs.

bitch boy don't you understand sarcasm?

Killrhymz:

STFU kyle korver has been useless on my fantasy team since joining d cavs.

He was averaging triple doubles when I picked him up.. So surprised

Anthony Bennett waived by the Nets. Worst #1 pick in history. That's right Oden, Kwame Brown, Olowokandi you guys are not the biggest busts anymore. Not even close

Roland17:
Great way to bounce back after yesterday's deflating loss. However, a sour end to the game with the scuffle/ fight between Wall and Jae.

Jae has been on the edge since Hayward and the Utah Jazz visited TD Garden and the crowd cheered for Hayward when the announcer introduced him. Jae felt insulted and insecure because Hayward plays same position and there are talks of Danny Ainge contemplating trading for Hayward. Jae loves the Celtics and his recent offensive numbers have proven he deserves to remain in Boston.

If we are able to convince Hayward to move to Boston, that would be special for our roster. It is imperative to note Brad Stevens coached Hayward at Butler when they lost consecutive NCAA championship games (2010, 2011).

#greenrunsdeep

I feel Jae's pain. However he's too emotional and needs to chill. If I were him I would be playing for a bigger contract cos in the end its a cut-throat business

A40:
Anthony Bennett waived by the Nets. Worst #1 pick in history. That's right Oden, Kwame Brown, Olowokandi you guys are not the biggest busts anymore. Not even close



I feel Jae's pain. However he's too emotional and needs to chill. If I were him I would be playing for a bigger contract cos in the end its a cut-throat business

I don't think its fair to include G. Oden on that list considering he was never healthy enough to prove his worth. With the little i saw while he was the Trailblazers, Oden would have been impossible to defend in today's NBA as he had the physic, foot work under the rim and energy. Sadly, his body had other plans for his career.

As for Brown, Olowokandi, and Bennett, they belong to the bust hall of fame.

Jae has always been very emotional, he takes the game very personal, especially on defense. With regards to his contract situation, i think it would depend on what Ainge decides to do. Jae deserves a bigger contract, however, would you pass on Hayward during his free agency? That is a tough one.

I hope Jae stays irrespective of what we decide to do with that position.

Eruditor:


I guess like me some others were unhappy GSW blew a 3-1 lead but what many don't seem to realize is that no one can really stop Lebron. Teams generally try to limit the influence he will wield on the other players surrounding him and that's what GSW could not do while they choked. Kyrie was putting big numbers as well and others like JR and Tristan were helping here and there. There was not much to do especially when the best player on the other side was incredibly subpar.

Even Pop could not contain LBJ. the 2014 season where everyone exaggeratedly claims Kawhi did a job on Lebron Kawhi averaged 17.8 ppg to Lebron's 28ppg. In fact the top scorer of the playoffs for SAS was Parker with 18 ppg (in other words both did not even score as well as Curry did) yet they basically swept Miami.

What am I trying to say is, some great players cannot be contained and one can only hope they have less help as much as possible and that is exactly what happened to GSW last year. But Kerr gets all the stick for it and when Pop makes a mistake we present his longevity and 5 rings to excuse it.

Sometime last year, I got the stick from my brothers and sisters on the beutiful thread for having and expressing this exact opinion(@bolded)
They made it look like Kawhi tamed Lebron in that series.
I wonder were you were if you felt the same way.

Hope this link helps even further. Its an interesting read and honest article.

https://www.numberfire.com/nba/news/2420/lebron-james-should-have-been-the-2014-nba-finals-mvp

NBA All-Star Game Voting Update:

EASTERN CONFERENCE
Guards:

1. Kyrie Irving (CLE) 971,362

2. Dwyane Wade (CHI) 514,866

3. DeMar DeRozan (TOR) 453,538

4. Isaiah Thomas (BOS) 401,671

5. Kyle Lowry (TOR) 256,668

6. Derrick Rose (NYK) 223,804

7. John Wall (WAS) 173,148

8. Jeremy Lin (BKN) 109,088

9. Kemba Walker (CHA) 105,637

10. Avery Bradley (BOS) 64,157

Frontcourt

1. LeBron James (CLE) 1,066,147

2. Giannis Antetokounmpo (MIL) 963,110

3. Kevin Love (CLE) 473,328

4. Joel Embiid (PHI) 457,300

5. Jimmy Butler (CHI) 400,448

6. Carmelo Anthony (NYK) 327,716

7. Kristaps Porzingis (NYK) 324,106

8. Paul George (IND) 249,484

9. Jabari Parker (MIL) 120,022

10. Tristan Thompson (CLE) 114,759

WESTERN CONFERENCE
Guards:

1. Stephen Curry (GSW) 990,390

2. James Harden (HOU) 961,685

3. Russell Westbrook (OKC) 899,024

4. Klay Thompson (GSW) 555,430

5. Chris Paul (LAC) 379,076

6. Damian Lillard (POR) 208,171

7. Eric Gordon (HOU) 191,407

8. Andre Iguodala (GSW) 130,224

9. Manu Ginobili (SAS) 122,333

10. Zach LaVine (MIN) 94,867

Frontcourt:

1. Kevin Durant (GSW) 987,479

2. Zaza Pachulia (GSW) 823,376

3. Kawhi Leonard (SAS) 630,766

4. Anthony Davis (NOP) 567,201

5. Draymond Green (GSW) 464,319

6. DeMarcus Cousins (SAC) 379,225

7. Karl-Anthony Towns (MIN) 223,979

8. LaMarcus Aldridge (SAS) 192,784

9. Blake Griffin (LAC) 172,393

10. Marc Gasol (MEM) 172,146

nairamaniac:


Sometime last year, I got the stick from my brothers and sisters on the beutiful thread for having and expressing this exact opinion(@bolded)
They made it look like Kawhi tamed Lebron in that series.
I wonder were you were if you felt the same way.

Hope this link helps even further. Its an interesting read and honest article.

https://www.numberfire.com/nba/news/2420/lebron-james-should-have-been-the-2014-nba-finals-mvp

sticks from LeBron haters
if you go back eruditor (probably)and surely A40 are among the two trying to beat your head in with that stick. .



I learnt that the media also have some big stake in who plays In the all star game so even if Zaza gather reach 5million he may not make the all stars.

SmooshCHN:
He was averaging triple doubles when I picked him up.. So surprised

Wale are u drunk?
kyle korver that has not even dropped a double double dis season.
he only helps with threes.

SIRcumalot:

sticks from LeBron haters
if you go back eruditor (probably)and surely A40 are among the two trying to beat your head in with that stick. .



I learnt that the media also have some big stake in who plays In the all star game so even if Zaza gather reach 5million he may not make the all stars.

Lol Calm down. I can dislike someone and still be objective. If you read my posts even before the playoffs I kept saying Lebron was waay ahead of Curry but everyone knows I like Curry better.

Be that as it may, there is a difference between people claiming Kawhi did a job on him and arguing that Lebron should have been MVP of that game. I disagree with both.

Killrhymz:

STFU kyle korver has been useless on my fantasy team since joining d cavs.

"Calm down calm down. This ain't how you think it is take a look around."