Cire80:
Name of God in Ika is Oselobue but some people say chuku. Chuku from all indication is more recent and mostly used by the younger generation. But there is no Chi at all. Ika believe in Ehi as a personal God. and there's a history surrounding it.

months:


Everybody or just a few migrated from Benin?





On point and well reasoned essay.

RedboneSmith:


Bros, people who don't know that chi and chuku filtered into Ika only in the 20th century with the advent of Christianity don't deserve your time as far as the topic of Ika or Anioma history is concerned. Leave them. When they finish talking they can come and take their 'ancestral lands' (as Pazienza calls it.) Shey we will be on our land and watch them take it?

Ngozi123:


I don't know about other areas but I'm pretty sure that there were still some natives settled in Onitsha and its environs before the immigrants arrived. The vast majority of the immigrants were Igbo, with some smatterings of Bini people who left their ancestral land for one reason or another.

Ngozi123:


I don't know about other areas but I'm pretty sure that there were still some natives settled in Onitsha and its environs before the immigrants arrived. The vast majority of the immigrants were Igbo, with[b] some smatterings of Bini people[/b] who left their ancestral land for one reason or another.

PabloAfricanus:


Personally I have a problem with that statement and I will tell you why. I could be wrong tho and I freely admit it.
When you say migrated from Bini empire...several assumptions are implied.
1) The fugitives who ran for their lives from whatever area of the Bini kingdom they resided were pure Bini people.
2) These Bini people apparently were NOT Igbo people and hence had to use an interpreter to communicate with any Igbo people they
encountered on their outward flight
3) How these fugitives managed to bypass Agbor and the present Aniocha lands without meeting with Igbo speaking peoples but Bini
people all the way is yet to be explained...when you consider the fact they came bearing Igbo names.
4) Its either all the places they got to and settled where settled by non-Bini natives or were bare empty lands...when you consider all the stories
of foundings by Bini "princes" who promptly forgot their language in the shadow of Bini just across the border.
5) By their own claims and counter claims, they had nothing to do with Igbos and only encountered them in passing

Why then is the overwhelming presence of Igbo language,deities, market days and culture the MOST significant trait among these descendants
of Bini "princes"? Like all you see is Bini styled political hiearchies among an overwhelmingly Igbo community.

You see, its either some people are trying to so hard to deny an Igbo presence way back in the old Bini kingdom or the Bini kingdom back then
was surrounded to the south by native Igbo peoples.
I think there were Igbo people in the old Bini kingdom and they were the ancestors of the present Anioma peoples today.
Come to think about it, once you leave Bini and move down south, all you meet is communities of people speaking various Igbo dialects,
from Agbor to Asaba to Ukwuani/Aboh.

Cos there was no way a Bini "prince" could have established a pattern of settlements DIFFERENT from what other known Bini fugitive or non-fugitive princes have established. The examples of Ginuwa in Itshekiri and Asikpa in Eko come to mind.
Not to mention the numerous Bini suzerainties in Ekiti and Ondo today who have acclimatized to the dominant Yoruba culture.
But trace back and you will find the Bini thread linking back to old kingdom without controversy.
These people do not deny their Itshekiri or Awori roots, they gladly point out that their monarchies came from Bini.
They merely adopted the system brought by the Bini visitors and acclimatized them to their native language and culture.
Why is the Anioma case different?

I do not think it is that easy for Bini "princes" to come out running from Bini speaking Igbo and bearing Igbo names.
No my dear, it is highly implausible.
Why did they have to cross the Niger? Why not go further south or further West?
Are you aware that they even journeyed farther into the Igbo hinterlands of Oguta?
Going by all the published works of Onicha/Anioma origins, these fugitives should NOT be Igbo speaking, but speaking at worst
a corrupted Edo tongue and practicing at worst hybrized forms of Edo traditions.
You and I know this is NOT the case.
What you have is a case of a group of migrants who were Igbo speaking from day one.
And what you have in their midst is clear evidences of an Igbo speaking people who were socio-culturally and politically influenced by Bini.

And yes, the superiority thing is actually a form of inferiority complex.
No one invaded them or forced them to differentiate themselves from the "inferior" ndi Igbos.
They are the ones doing the attaching and detaching, as by all accounts, the people they call "onye Igbo" never copied them or their Bini style monarchies or Bini style political hierarchies.
You wont see any vestige of their much acclaimed Bini language, culture or what not among the hinterland Igbos.
So there is no chance of corruption of their core "Edo" language or culture by the hinterland Igbos.
It was the Bini fugitives who copied, adopted and appropriated everything Igbo. Is that not the reality?

It is so glaring that the Bini titles were borrowed when you consider the titles or "afa etutu" of Onicha titled men.
Iyase, Odua,Onowu, Owelle title holders etc all have Igbo proper prefixes like Nnanyelugo, Akunne etc.
Monarchy in Igbo land is a British phenomenon like you know and had the British not intervened, its more than likely the Igbo clans
would have continued in their decentralized system that has been working for them.
Infact it is on record that the early warrant chiefs created by the British who transitioned into "kings" paid Onicha chiefs to tutor them on kingship rituals and ceremony.
Prior to then, the cultural dominance was Igbo through and through...and it was not forced or taught. It was native.
Bini influences and exposure to Bini style monarchies marked the difference btw the Igbo speaking peoples across the Niger along with their Onicha, Ogbaru and Oguta cousins...and the hinterland Igbos.

In summary, I think all available evidence point to the fact the people who fled Bini (methinks its actually Bini environs) and moved from Agbor all the way down to Oguta were native Igbo people. Not Edo and have never been Edo till date.
The names they still bear, their market days, deities, cultural practices...all point to this fact.

Ofcourse, I would love to see contrary evidence. I have been scouting for it.

Ngozi123:


Your post is very long but informative . I actually agree with you when you say that there were native Igbo peoples in the Benin Kingdom- that's the point that I've been trying to make all along. Btw, keep it up with your excellent posts.

hammerF:



Ngo the baby... Kedu!

hammerF:


This is wat i have been saying that Bini people are mixed with Anioma and yoruba. That is the only explanation as to how they suddely occupied that position inbetween two major tribes.

People that are Bini in origin retained the Benin language. Urhobo migrated south but still retained the Edoid language. Esan migrated North but still retained the Edoid language

How come the igbos speak a completely different lanugaue, from the Edoid language and they are suppose to have come from bini?

Ngozi123:


Adinma. Happy Sunday. Ke nkwanu?




Because we have always been Igbo. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

hammerF:



Us way don dey explain the samething since page 4, even got ban 4 it, no commendation? we no try?

Wat did he say, that i have not said?

Ngozi123:


Well done.

RedboneSmith:


Bros, people who don't know that chi and chuku filtered into Ika only in the 20th century with the advent of Christianity don't deserve your time as far as the topic of Ika or Anioma history is concerned. Leave them. When they finish talking they can come and take their 'ancestral lands' (as Pazienza calls it.) Shey we will be on our land and watch them take it?

Cire80:
Yes, you're very correct. I implore everybody to leave this thread for them. This was supposed to be an Issele Uku thread and by extension, Anioma thread but I've seen many people here asking the Edo people to leave because it's an Igbo thread. Last time I checked, what gave rise to this argument was people that noticed the striking resemblance between the Oba's dressing and that of the Obi and his chiefs. Igbos as usual got jealous and hijacked the thread and named it an Igbo thread.

I think it's best for us to leave it for them and wait for them to also take their ancestral land as they always call it in all Igbo forums I've visited. If this people can claim aborigines of Bini, Igala, idoma and even Yoruba, it doesn't surprise me when I hear them claim Anioma their land. Like they always say, they will come to chase away all Bini settlers in Anioma land and reclaim their land. We're waiting for you guys.

RedboneSmith:


Bros, people who don't know that chi and chuku filtered into Ika only in the 20th century with the advent of Christianity don't deserve your time as far as the topic of Ika or Anioma history is concerned. Leave them. When they finish talking they can come and take their 'ancestral lands' (as Pazienza calls it.) Shey we will be on our land and watch them take it?

Cire80:
Yes, you're very correct. I implore everybody to leave this thread for them. This was supposed to be an Issele Uku thread and by extension, Anioma thread but I've seen many people here asking the Edo people to leave because it's an Igbo thread. Last time I checked, what gave rise to this argument was people that noticed the striking resemblance between the Oba's dressing and that of the Obi and his chiefs. Igbos as usual got jealous and hijacked the thread and named it an Igbo thread.

I think it's best for us to leave it for them and wait for them to also take their ancestral land as they always call it in all Igbo forums I've visited. If this people can claim aborigines of Bini, Igala, idoma and even Yoruba, it doesn't surprise me when I hear them claim Anioma their land. Like they always say, they will come to chase away all Bini settlers in Anioma land and reclaim their land. We're waiting for you guys.

Abagworo:


Chi and Ehi are the same language and different dialects meaning guardian spirit not God as recently translated. Ehikwe and Chikwe are as variant as Olisakwe and Osakwe. They are all Igbo language.

RedboneSmith:


I'm replying you because I know you to more knowledgeable than most Igbo posters here, and because as an Oguta man you are more or less a brother to Anioma folks.

Ehi is not Igbo. You know it is Bini. But that is even besides the point. The point here is that the use of chi in Ikaland (whether it is a variant of ehi or not) began only in the 20th century.

In fact, 'chi' is very odd as far as Ika language is concerned. That is why instead of 'ichi echichi' an Ika man will say 'iki ekiki', instead 'ochichi' (governance), an Ika man will say 'okiki', instead of 'echi' (tomorrow), an Ika man will say 'eki'.

'Ch' followed by an 'i' is fundamentally un-Ika.

OILSOUP:


The fundamental point he was trying to make which u seem to miss is that they are all part of the Igbo language. The words in Igbo and Igboid groups together forms part of a speech.

Since colonialism and utility of the English language, their have been lack of development of Igbo Language. Speech can be classified into eight different parts. The eight parts of speech are nouns, pronouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs, conjunctions, prepositions, and interjections.

Understanding the different parts of speech is important in understanding how words can and should be joined together to make sentences that are both grammatically correct and readable. An understanding of the parts of speech is also important for knowing how to correctly punctuate sentences.

In other words, Chi and Ehi are both variation of speech within the cluster of words that constitute the igbo language. He demostrated further using Olisakwe and Osakwe. The sound denotes that both words are from the same cluster of igbo language.

In otherwords, to access the full vocabulary variation of speech, u need an institution to pull together words from the same linguistic cluster group of igbo and igboid speakers. Wen we develop the igbo language in this direction, even the words the ikwerre speak will no longer be elusive becos regardless of how they speak it, they are igbo words, with igbo meaning.

Right now the igbo language is in decline and all the variants are not universally decoded for all igbo and igboid speakers to understand.

RedboneSmith:


If this was his point, then I don't understand why my comment had to be quoted by him to make the point when all I said was that the terms 'chi' and 'chuku' came to Ika in the last century.

RedboneSmith:


If this was his point, then I don't understand why my comment had to be quoted by him to make the point when all I said was that the terms 'chi' and 'chuku' came to Ika in the last century.

gerg:
Bro, I thought you guys agreed to leave this thread for them? this argument will never end. And Hundreds of them are still on pending waiting to join. They have the population. But that doesn't make any different to an Ika man.

gerg:
Bro, I thought you guys agreed to leave this thread for them? this argument will never end. And Hundreds of them are still on pending waiting to join. They have the population. But that doesn't make any different to an Ika man.

hammerF:

Fact Igbos are the original people to settle in Bini and mix with yorubas and as a result the Bini Language was created.

Cire80:
Yes, you're very correct. I implore everybody to leave this thread for them. This was supposed to be an Issele Uku thread and by extension, Anioma thread but I've seen many people here asking the Edo people to leave because it's an Igbo thread. Last time I checked, what gave rise to this argument was people that noticed the striking resemblance between the Oba's dressing and that of the Obi and his chiefs. Igbos as usual got jealous and hijacked the thread and named it an Igbo thread.

I think it's best for us to leave it for them and wait for them to also take their ancestral land as they always call it in all Igbo forums I've visited. If this people can claim aborigines of Bini, Igala, idoma and even Yoruba, it doesn't surprise me when I hear them claim Anioma their land. Like they always say, they will come to chase away all Bini settlers in Anioma land and reclaim their land. We're waiting for you guys.

gerg:
Bro, I thought you guys agreed to leave this thread for them? this argument will never end. And Hundreds of them are still on pending waiting to join. They have the population. But that doesn't make any different to an Ika man.

laudate:


This is a huge fallacy! Igbo were the original settlers in Benin?? Chai!! Where is your evidence? Come, has that Oguta girl been giving you something to drink? You are definitely high on something!



You are right!! You Ika guys have done your best. More respect!! You have done your best to unveil the truth, but when some folks close their minds to the truth and chose to believe in sheer conjecture, whose fault is it?

hammerF:


Fact Igbos are the original people to settle in Bini and mix with yorubas and as a result the Bini Language was created.

PabloAfricanus:


Dude, be a man and stop cheer leading

PabloAfricanus:


Now you are looking for trouble
How do you mean and where did you get that information from?
Any research done to come up with that conclusion...care to share?
Please be careful in your statements, Bini in its prime was larger than the area occupied by the present day Igbo speaking states.
Moreover, the stark contrast in social life, culture and political systems between the Edos and the Igbos makes your statement sound very very very ignorant.
Please desist from making ignorant statements like this that will only engender distrust and hatred.
If you do not have the facts to back up your "facts"...then keep it to yourself.
Thanks.

Moreover, the stark contrast in social life, culture and political systems between the Edos and the Igbos makes your statement sound very very very ignorant.

ariesbull:


Tell us his birth name

Ikhime isn't a Benin name

Stop clowning

DOES THIS ONE HAVE A BRAIN AT ALL?

BornStunner1:



DOES THIS ONE HAVE A BRAIN AT ALL?

OILSOUP:


IT IS NOT A BINI WORD, PLS SEE MY POST ABOVE[b], I DONT WANT TO KEEP EXPLAINING THE SAME THING TO PEOPLE JUST JOINING. [/b]

Ika(Igboid)----Ikhime Igbo--------Chime

VARIANT OR VARIATION OF SPEECH WITHIN THE CLUSTER OF WORDS THAT CONSTITUTE THE IGBO (IGBOID) LANGUAGE CLUSTER.

YOU OBVIOUSLY DID NOT START FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE THREAD JUST LIKE A TYPICAL IGBO OZOUR U SHARPLY RAN TO THE ENDING OF THE THREAD TO START FABRICATING TRASH

I WOULD NOT EVEN WASTE TIME ON YOU
..... BCUS IT IS OBVIOUS MOST OF YOU ARE STILL SUFFERING FROM THE LASHING MUTILATING HUMILATION U IGBOS GOT FROM THE CIVIL WAR!!

DO NOT WORRY YOU PPL WULD GET ANODA COMING SOON!!