taiyeayodeji:
hmmm,i have read through some of the post here and these are my opinion.i must say that the person who started this thread started it with a very bad motive of making profit out of the those hungry and eager to travel abroad.i am based abroad and would tell you guys the truth without mincing word. there is nothing bad in coming abroad but remember home is the best, most of this countries are hostile to foriegners.There are challenges abroad and the best way to come abroad is legally.doing the otherwise can be dangerous.Many people come abroad illegally and end up being slaves,most people dont know that you cant work legally abroad without a work permit.The life abroad is very complex,you pay your rent monthly, the house rent is the most expensive thing abroad,coming in illegally means you cant have address and a home of your own.you need to be under somebody who may exploit you,you may be using somebodys paper illegally and you cant even own a bank account, you cant enjoy any previleges in that country.most folk end up doing illegal jobs and some end in jail abroad.some folks end up being slaves to white ladies in the name of getting documents.the second case is that even if you were a graduate in Nigeria, you may find it very difficult to get a job abroad wether you have entry documents or not,this is because as in most country , their citizens are given first treatment before foreigners,a graduate may come abroad and end up washing plates in restaurants and decieve folks in nigeria that he is leaving large abroad.most nigerians abroad are just managing , things are not as what people think in
Nigeria. In nigeria, you can owe rent and still leave in the house, not abroadyou guys wont believe that even people having entry documents, still end up broke abroad lol. forget all those trash that somebody built mighty houses abroad, do you know what they are doing abroad.Brothers and sisters, have you considered what would happen if the exchange rate changes,let say one dollar to one naira.yes some would say its impossible.if it does, life in Nigeriacould be far better than any where in the world, i am not saying anybody should not come but think of the risk, is it the path God laid for you?

You've said it all and they just won't understand till they come and then 'destroy' their lives. There's no way of even going back because they probably have no papers. Even if there was a way to go back, they'll be going with nothing

In conclusion I want to say...

"If you are at least comfortable in Nigeria... Don't quit and hope to go live a fantasy life abroad... It may be just a mirage...

BUT

If you are in Hell in Nigeria with nofthin to lose... take that risk.. after all there is nothing to lose"

It is not all that rosy ooo

#Peace

WellEndowed:


After helping themselves they sleep with each other's spouse

How did you know?
I suspect you.

blueseacats:
The second person to comment have already answered your question nicely, but let me add to it, only if Nigerians will be truthful to themselves they will realize that abroad is just mare hype. Let me talk about USA, to me American Dream is just a mirage. I usually tell my friends not to move if they have a good job. Then most of them used to ask me why do I not come back if it's so bad, well I came back now I live in Nigeria. And am happy.

What happened?, can u kindly complete your story, others might learn more from it.
Cheers

No light, a great deal of tribalism and ethnic division... even the govt will openly exhibit this, no rule of law, only the rich get favorable court judgement, politics and not governance, biased law enforcement and military, failed education policies, i don't care attitude of the president, terrorism and jihad preached in the mosques, Pastors making churches biz venture, bad condition for biz to thrive, babe too demanding, guys taking alomo bitters before bleeping, babes always asking for multiple orgasms and if you cum quick your own don finish... I tire menh pls add your own

bebe2:
This is getting annoying , how come each time a person is asking for directions on how to travel abroad most pple in diaspora will be discouraging the person.

If it's dat terrible why are u still there?

You enjoy the benefits of living in an organised society, knowing fully well that naija is a difficult place to live.

Are u scared of the competition the new immigrants will bring?

Nigerians in diaspora , what exactly are u afraid off??

i wonder o. thank god am with a family friend here in south africa

Am not here to discourage or to encourage anybody that is willing to move aboard,but to assure you that anyone can survive in any country as long as the fellow has a barbing skills and the person must be able to live in black populated cities or ghetto. No where in the world that black don't barb there hairs so if you have barbing skills you can attach yourself to a barber's shop pending the time you will get a better job and barbers are connected due to different people that visit Barbershop

same here in Germany, people wont understand life abroad.forget the trash people who come home from abroad tell you.Your life abroad cud be miserable without papers.even people with papers are struggling, talkless of without papers,you cant do anything without necesary papers.You may end up being a slave to even fellow nigerians.Imagine nigerians enslaving fellow nigerians who dont have papers,you work and the money goes to them, you can even work freely on the street.You can be picked up by the police anytime and there is nothing you can do, you dont have the basic human right,somebody can kill you because you dont have any identity.You may end up being a sex slave to a white lady or even to a gay.Its really terrible,you cant even go to the hospital cos you dont have a document.no insurance covering you.Best way is to come in legally, you may come abroad seeing your an uncle who has left nigerian several years back being a modern slave abroad.lol

cosade:


From not committing a single crime, to the only crime they have committed is staying in UK illegally.

poshestmina:
Very true .I think they don't want anybody coming over to be a burden to them especially friends and not too close relatives .Btw i'm in Nigeria .

Who no go no know..... Not all that glitters is Gold. And experience they say is the best teacher!

factwriter:



yes o

I have 5 and it's the best job in the world! Mini me,'s effrywhere!

factwriter:


No, it's not.
Once something is within a particular home domain, it's refereed to as "local".

Same way the it would be correct for an American (while staying in Nigeria) to refer to a girls back home in the U S. as "local chicks".

Not lecturing English o, just relating what I understand.

This reminds me of when I travelled to Israel, somewhere in Jerusalem our guide told us to be mindful of the local drivers when crossing the road. Someone in the group was taken aback, he questioned him how come he was referring to his co Israelis as locals. I smiled and educated him. In every country we have the locals.

Ezionye:


Lol, and u know that how? Good job indeed

Oh dear! I forsee things and I read minds.
To be candid with you.. I can say for UK and its never flexible but if you insist coming to UK, I can make the arrangement for you but carry the cross along

Originalsly:
People at home have a certain mindset of life in America.... they only need to arrive... and all things will be bright and beautiful....just like on TV.... as long as you are willing to work hard. When those abroad say life is not as easy as you may think... it is called discouragement... because that is not what you want to hear. Yes...I am on vacation ..
loving it .... I should encourage you to invest half your life savings or borrow money and come enjoy just like me. What you dont factor in... is I have massive support... do I have to pay $150+ per nite in a cheap hotel?no... I pay zero for shelter...would you?...do I have to pay for food?...transport? No.. not a kobo....would you?...Would you have people showing you the ropes?...where to shop or get whatever?..no...but I do. It is not discouraging you from coming but for you to plan well and have every thing in order before you travel. I'll encourage everyone to come visit... don't overstay and be trapped here.... this can be a very lonely and a very rough place ... wayyy rougher than one weather Naija. There is sooo much to learn here...business ideas would just be jumping out at you. Dont see alerts as discouragement. ... same as people retiring or whatever and returning home... ignoring what those on ground are saying.... seeing it as same discouragement. Bottom line... look before you leap.

Which cheap hotel charges 150 per night? I stayed in a decent hotel for 50 dollars a night talk less of those roadside motels. Oga if you want to advice people give them accurate info.

poshestmina:
Very true .I think they don't want anybody coming over to be a burden to them especially friends and not too close relatives .Btw i'm in Nigeria .

Yeah, ,,

Even in Nigeria, same is done, you see people discouraging others to move to Lagos or Abuja, claiming life is difficult that they also want out

Selfishness? No! Wickedness? Absolutely Not!!

People must remember that truth is bitter, and all that glitters is not gold; and of course not everyone wants to hear or listen to the truth.
There is no doubt that those of us who live in Western countries enjoy stable electricity, running water, good roads and security of life and property; but beyond these, hmmmmmmm ......? I leave this till another time.

Now, why do many of us discourage others from joining us over here? Good question, and here are some of the answers; and I will use the UK (where I live) as example. The UK government have tightened their immigration rules to the point where it's almost impossible for the people they tag as "illegal immigrants" to live here. Examples. It is illegal not only for organisations (public or private) to employ illegal immigrants, but they also impose hefty amounts of money as penalty on any organisation that employs such people. It is also illegal for any landlords to rent out accommodation to illegal immigrants, and anyone caught would get criminal conviction and £10,000 (5,000.000 Naira) fine for every illegal person in their building. The truth is that the majority of our people would fall into the category of "illegal immigrants"; which means they are not allowed to work or rent a room - but note I did not say all.

An important issue to bear in mind is that technology is so advanced over here that it leaves no hiding place for anyone; meaning that you can't hide from the government, because you use electronic cards to travel on public transport; GPS satellite navigation system to drive a car; your driving licence, your mobile phone and bank account are all digitally linked and monitored. There are CCTV cameras with facial recognition technology everywhere on the streets, in shops, and offices and they are linked to the police and other numerous state security agencies. Above all, the agencies are both well-resourced in terms of money and manpower and they are highly organised, dedicated and efficient. Besides, there is a lot of racism going on too. So, if your visa says you have no right to work, (assuming you need to work), then your options are very limited indeed; because you would not be able to bypass the system unless you would not travel on public transport; would not travel in a car/taxi; would not use telephone, or operate a bank account.

Many of you may not be aware, reports indicate that there are over 70,000 Nigerians in immigration detention centres in the UK and they are deporting plane-loads of our country men and women to Nigeria almost every day. The question is: "why would want to risk all your life savings to embark on a journey to a place like this?"

However, there are many legal means to obtain the appropriate visas that would enable you to work and live here and elsewhere without restrictions and I would suggest that everyone should pursue the legal route. For example, you could marry a white man or woman or an African American man or woman; but be honest with them - very, very important. The problem with many of our people is their incredible level of dishonesty. There are tens of millions of white people looking for African men and women to marry, but you have to be sincere and honest with them and be willing to spend the rest of your life with them. So, what are you waiting for? Go online and start your search. Good luck.

4dor:


Lmao @ I will never understand. Let me tell you my story.

After loosing my job and was unemployed for a while, I had to drain my savings and got some money from my mum and I moved to the UK for my PG. At the time most people said I should have invested that money in a business but I was convinced that a degree in Software Engineering was what I needed.

When I got there I knew it wasn't going to be easy, but I kept my head up worked in the evenings at M&S did Security on weekends, paying my rent and other bills. I graduated with a good grade, was top 3 in my set and from that point my movement has been forward. So my brother, I understand maybe even more than you or have you ever travelled to a sleepy town for a security job that entails working for 12 straight hours? It was tough, yes but looking back it was the best decision I made for my life.

Oga, did you get a job in the Uk. Help your fellow bro ?

No be by force to go Dubai

Make una shine eyes for this abroad matter oh. Issues plenty.

lilreese:


Oga, did you get a job in the Uk. Help your fellow bro ?

Are you a Software Developer?

jalay:


Oh dear! I forsee things and I read minds.
To be candid with you.. I can say for UK and its never flexible but if you insist coming to UK, I can make the arrangement for you but carry the cross along

Oga I'm interested

4dor:


Are you a Software Developer?

No, Finance & Economics

lilreese:


No, Finance & Economics

Too bad, I only know about Software Development jobs for mid level and senior developers

taiyeayodeji:
same here in Germany, people wont understand life abroad.forget the trash people who come home from abroad tell you.Your life abroad cud be miserable without papers.even people with papers are struggling, talkless of without papers,you cant do anything without necesary papers.You may end up being a slave to even fellow nigerians.Imagine nigerians enslaving fellow nigerians who dont have papers,you work and the money goes to them, you can even work freely on the street.You can be picked up by the police anytime and there is nothing you can do, you dont have the basic human right,somebody can kill you because you dont have any identity.You may end up being a sex slave to a white lady or even to a gay.Its really terrible,you cant even go to the hospital cos you dont have a document.no insurance covering you.Best way is to come in legally, you may come abroad seeing your an uncle who has left nigerian several years back being a modern slave abroad.lol

Nothing! Absolutely nothing would make me stay in any country illegally. Like someone posted earlier, if you can afford cost of passport, visa and air ticket you don't have reason to stay illegally in any country. The money can be better used for business here.

Modified:
This video gives an idea of what illegal immigrants go through.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc_Gc4bfnEg

4dor:


Too bad, I only know about Software Development jobs for mid level and senior developers

Mind to share them?, I have friends who are developers.

lovelygurl:
Op that's not true. You just don't understand. I will never encourage someone above 25 to come to Germany. I mean forget it, you just WON'T cope and will have to settle for less. The language is the big deal here. People think it's very easy to learn a language, they don't even plan and most think Europe/America is a place where the streets are made of gold. Sometimes you have to be EXTREMELY patient, sometimes you will be forced to give up on your dreams etc.

The truth is the younger the better. You don't want to come here and do some jobs you don't want to, just because you can't speak the language and therefore have no other choice

i live in hamburg. Where in germany do u live?

kretoz:
Please pals, I heard health workers make it easier in USA, but my cousin a Dr who married a Nigerian guy who lives abroad and who has been there for 6 yrs came back and she doesn't plan going back, her presence shattered my idea of traveling out, please can someone clarify me cos I don't know how to ask her what happened since she looked malnourished and stressed out

My guess is that she probably didn't pass the conversion exam and didn't want to get frustrated by working as a Nurse instead.

amii131:



sisi mi abeg u fit help me as sponsor make i come germany i can speak german i don learn german.

wie gut is dein deutch?

opribo:
Anybody is free to travel abroad as long as they are travelling with valid documents and for good intentions. When my company sends me on training abroad, I stay in the finest hotels and I try to catch up with friends abroad, what I have noticed is that out of 10 friends I meet perhaps only one is measuring up. The rest are struggling. Some go to work by 2am in the morning and come back by 3pm, some do two different jobs to be able to cope with house rent, and other bills that keep coming and never ending, some don't sit down throughout at their work place, they stand all through, some cannot go out to have a chilled beer and correct point and kill pepper soup. Their routine is work, sleep whenever possible, eat and church whenever their schedule permits. Some cannot return home on holidays because they dont have valid documents thats why you see some 20 years they have not seen home, those that have paper nko they can only come home once during their vacation which is usually like 2 weeks max, 'dem no born them well to stay beyond two weeks' else they are fired and before that time they will be waiting for sales period so they can buy things cheap to come and display here.

Some the work they do over there, they will never try it in Nigeria and yet they are graduates. Honestly, the life of most diasporia people is better described as glorified slavery regardless they have their permanent papers.
When we go out clubbing I end up taking up the entire bill and I am like you guys have the hard currency why should I pay but they tell me it ain't easy to come by. To crown it all the conditions some of them work is very uncomfortable, some work in below -20F temperatures, some tender old sick people with highly contagious disease, some drive UBER, some are into credit card fraud and other crimes. The few that are working in the banks or other high brow offices go through discreet racist treatment yet they cannot complain. All these things comes back to haunt them in their old ages.

So the truth be told, if and only if our leaders can make Nigeria better believe you me no Nigerian will ever prefer to stay in that cold and unacceptable treatment they tolerate.
We have the best weather, we have the best mineral resources, we have the best inland water ways. WHY WHY WHY cant we develop these things. Build a network of interconnected rail line across the country, obey laws, love the country above self, kill corruption and make the laws work irrespective of person, class or position. Provide 24 hours electricity and provide round the clock security that works, build good roads and develop infrastructures, keep our environment clean these are the things the diaspora people enjoy minus that I cant point to anything they have we don't have.

So if you have a good job here, please my sister think twice before you go there to live, of course you can travel to any country to have a good holiday and return back. No place like Naija believe me, forget about the criminals with no good intentions holding on to power thereby destroying our country and mortgaging our future. Some day someone will arise to clean the Augean stables.
We have a rich culture, why dont you ask why some of them prefer to send their kids home for good training and some when they want to marry they think home.

Our leaders are our problem and not our country, our country is blessed with the best weather, good arable land, many culture, deep belief in God and above all a hard working human resource. Our problem are the leaders who destroy this country and when they travel you see them queue up to board planes and even board trains, you see them obey traffic light and queue up at shopping malls to pay.
They are wicked, they are the enemies of this great country, they must be stoned to death anywhere they are found.

Please, an Oscar for this man.

I have clapped for you.

Valid points, good insight.

You just concluded all arguments and lamentations behind this topic.

Thank you for this.

Applause! Applause!! Applause!!!

bebe2:
This is getting annoying , how come each time a person is asking for directions on how to travel abroad most pple in diaspora will be discouraging the person.

If it's dat terrible why are u still there?

You enjoy the benefits of living in an organised society, knowing fully well that naija is a difficult place to live.

Are u scared of the competition the new immigrants will bring?

Nigerians in diaspora , what exactly are u afraid off??

But then is always easier if the immigrants have someone over there. Those of us with no one who wish to go look for a greener pastures is just a fail dream since we don't know how to go about it. Been a lady is another challenge too cos it's safer for the men. We hope n pray for people like u to b of help someday.

I wanted to ignore you...it's good for you to paint a beautiful image of Nigeria in your bubble but the facts show that majority of Nigerians are poor, extremely poor and poverty is on the rise, exponentially.
Use that for your average.

Pidgin2:


The average Nigerian does not sell akamu

for you to work abroad,you must have a work permit.nobody can employ you without a work permit, anybody doing it risk heavy fine or jail.Now even your fellow nigerian cant accomodate you in their house for fear of being implicated and deported.You cant even go to the hospital when sick, its not like Nigeria where you can go to pharmacy and buy drugs yourself without doctors prescription.So you see why most people abroad who tell you not to come if you don't have papers.They are still struggling and dont want to be implicated or deported back.you cant even open a bank account, you cant even transfer money home in your name,you have to live and survive with another persons identity and if you are caught, you end in detention or refugee camps.coming illegally may mean coming thru the desert,you may get kidnapped for ransom,then you have to cross the sea to become a slave in europe and most ladies a prostitute.before you go on your journey, think if you have Gods backing.You may end up in destruction.so if somebody ask you to come in illegally, you are breaking the law of that country and would be treated by the law, if the law says 5 years in jail, then you may be at the mercy of the law.i hope you guys understand me, i am only being sincere,living in nigeria in peace without money can be better living as a slave abroad.

ojay77:
Selfishness? No! Wickedness? Absolutely Not!!

People must remember that truth is bitter, and all that glitters is not gold; and of course not everyone wants to hear or listen to the truth.
There is no doubt that those of us who live in Western countries enjoy stable electricity, running water, good roads and security of life and property; but beyond these, hmmmmmmm ......? I leave this till another time.

Now, why do many of us discourage others from joining us over here? Good question, and here are some of the answers; and I will use the UK (where I live) as example. The UK government have tightened their immigration rules to the point where it's almost impossible for the people they tag as "illegal immigrants" to live here. Examples. It is illegal not only for organisations (public or private) to employ illegal immigrants, but they also impose hefty amounts of money as penalty on any organisation that employs such people. It is also illegal for any landlords to rent out accommodation to illegal immigrants, and anyone caught would get criminal conviction and £10,000 (5,000.000 Naira) fine for every illegal person in their building. The truth is that the majority of our people would fall into the category of "illegal immigrants"; which means they are not allowed to work or rent a room - but note I did not say all.

An important issue to bear in mind is that technology is so advanced over here that it leaves no hiding place for anyone; meaning that you can't hide from the government, because you use electronic cards to travel on public transport; GPS satellite navigation system to drive a car; your driving licence, your mobile phone and bank account are all digitally linked and monitored. There are CCTV cameras with facial recognition technology everywhere on the streets, in shops, and offices and they are linked to the police and other numerous state security agencies. Above all, the agencies are both well-resourced in terms of money and manpower and they are highly organised, dedicated and efficient. Besides, there is a lot of racism going on too. So, if your visa says you have no right to work, (assuming you need to work), then your options are very limited indeed; because you would not be able to bypass the system unless you would not travel on public transport; would not travel in a car/taxi; would not use telephone, or operate a bank account.

Many of you may not be aware, reports indicate that there are over 70,000 Nigerians in immigration detention centres in the UK and they are deporting plane-loads of our country men and women to Nigeria almost every day. The question is: "why would want to risk all your life savings to embark on a journey to a place like this?"

However, there are many legal means to obtain the appropriate visas that would enable you to work and live here and elsewhere without restrictions and I would suggest that everyone should pursue the legal route. For example, you could marry a white man or woman or an African American man or woman; but be honest with them - very, very important. The problem with many of our people is their incredible level of dishonesty. There are tens of millions of white people looking for African men and women to marry, but you have to be sincere and honest with them and be willing to spend the rest of your life with them. So, what are you waiting for? Go online and start your search. Good luck.