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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Nobody: 2:41pm On Aug 06, 2017
ngmgeek:
Yeye Senator. After producing your own babies you want others to stop producing babies.

Stop talking rubbish and stealing peoples money undecided
it's not about him producing his own children, it's about been able to raise how many children you have chosen to have, if he has 10 children as long as he can raise them financially it's not a problem! but can you raise your own 10 children financially?

he is only trying to Advice that nigerians should have how many children they can afford to take care of. instead of having too many children while living in poverty. I hope you understand, if you fail to see it from this perspective then it's either you are deluded, ignorant or just damm! right stupid! grin

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Nobody: 2:42pm On Aug 06, 2017
Flakky26:


get your fact right. i am an ex staff of silverbird group and I am a graduate. if we have 100 of Ben bruce and Dangotes , they can create more than 100,000 jobs
..an ex staff? Chai..and we laughed at PEJ.
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by dingbang(m): 2:44pm On Aug 06, 2017
repogirl:
China did.
well not in Nigeria
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by gokuu(m): 2:44pm On Aug 06, 2017
Ashley86400:

This is very true.
Sometimes when I look at beggars with lots of children by their sides. .some of them have twins with other kids. .I've seen a beggar with two sets of twins. . .it makes me wonder if one is supposed to pity them. .how can you be this poor begging for money and still Hot you enough to keep giving birth to more children. .while regular people have few kids and know when to hold themselves back from producing more. .poor people on the other hand keep bringing children who they can't guarantee their upbringing, education. .some of these parents hardly even care. .they just keep producing more.

Exactly, most beggars have boatloads of children that they cannot take care of.
It is a serious problem because it perpetuates the vicious cycle of poverty.
Children get born into poverty.
Fail to get good education as a result of poverty.
Grow up to become a nuisance.
Have kids in poverty.
...and the Vicious Cycle of Poverty is rejuvenated.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by CocoaOla: 2:47pm On Aug 06, 2017
omohayek:

I don't much like Ben Bruce either, as I think he's a loudmouthed hypocrite, but all your comments show is that you don't understand how the Senate functions, and you don't comprehend the rudiments of economics.

No single senator can get anything passed into law by him or herself, unless agreement is forthcoming from a majority of his or her Senate colleagues, and even then approval must also be obtained from both the House of Representatives and the President. In addition, "boosting employment" isn't a simple matter of just passing a bill, otherwise there would be no employment anywhere in the world. In properly functioning economies, most jobs are created by the private sector, and all governments can (or should) do is provide the framework to allow the private sector to work properly. This concept only seems strange to Nigerians because of nearly 50 years of failed state-led, oil-centric economic policies.

Finally, if you understood simple economics (or at least basic arithmetic) you'd see that Ben Bruce did in fact directly address the question of job creation in making his original statement. No country's citizens can ever grow richer if their population is growing faster than their national income, which is one of the main problems that has plagued Nigeria since independence. Even when the occasional competent and honest politician or civil servant does something helpful in terms of infrastructure, that person's efforts are soon undone by people breeding like rats and overwhelming whatever new facilities are put in place. The ignoramuses on here who repeatedly mention China or America as examples of why family planning isn't needed in Nigeria are simply talking out of their assholes, as China has had a strict 1-child policy in place since at least 1979, while the USA's population growth rate would actually be zero without immigration; all of Europe as well as Asian countries like Japan and South Korea are also witnessing zero or even negative population growth. All of this is unsurprising, as fewer children means more money to educate each of them, and it also means the percentage of the population of employable age rises.

If a certain part of the country insists on seeing something as sensible as family planning as a conspiracy, and expects to be rewarded for its irresponsibility with ever more political power, while the other part of the country invests heavily in education the fewer children it has, then its obvious that the time is fast approaching when either the human rabbits stop putting out children they can't afford to raise, or the two halves of the country must simply split up, so each part can pursue its own preferred development trajectory. There is simply no way Nigeria as a whole will ever move forward under the status quo.


BEST BRAIN
I dont know we have some learned people like this in NIgeria who can say the truth not like some youthful fools who are paid to blindfold people eyes and say trash

i have been shouting thIs NIGERIA RAISING POPULATION IS NOT SUSTAINABLE THINK ABOUT OUR LAND MASS AND RESOURCES NIGERIA IS NOT A CONTINENT!

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Nobody: 2:47pm On Aug 06, 2017
jagugu88li:
Okay........ley me get married first, have my four kids then you can continue preaching tongue

Grow up
It's not d number but d resources. We like to suffer sha..keep innocent children out of harms' way.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by gokuu(m): 2:48pm On Aug 06, 2017
dingbang:
well not in Nigeria
Myopic.
We should have a policy that reduces the birthrate in this country. We are headed for a disaster if we do not do something now, it's crazy - especially amongst lower income people.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by repogirl(f): 2:49pm On Aug 06, 2017
dingbang:
well not in Nigeria
Are Chinese not humans like Nigerians?

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by CocoaOla: 2:52pm On Aug 06, 2017
Lexusgs430:


Senator Ben that recently raised this issue, needs to put a bill forward........

We are having kids we do not have the financial ability to look after.....

We are brewing loads of problems ahead in the future...... When Oil is no longer required or the world starts using full electric cars, how would we sustain this population boom + corruption + infrastructure decay + bad governance + lack of quantitative education etc etc etc

Trouble looming ahead.........
ANOTHER BEST BRAIN SPOTTED!

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Benjy5050(m): 2:52pm On Aug 06, 2017
Hunger will soon control it
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by gokuu(m): 2:53pm On Aug 06, 2017
repogirl:
Are Chinese not humans like Nigerians?
Funny thing is, people like this also want the king of good infrastructure in China and other developed countries. If a politician said we cannot enjoy those things because "this in Nigeria"...this guy will be up-in-arms.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by pmc01(m): 2:55pm On Aug 06, 2017
ivolt:


If I say we must stop dumping refuse on waterways.
Does it mean I am forcing you to abide by my statement ?

No where in the world is a large population an advantage,
it is either being actively discouraged or their is a campaign
to reduce it.

The world's resources is finite, while baby making is not,
it is only rational to reduce birth rates.

It is no accident that high fertility rate is highly correlated with extreme
poverty.

A poor man gives birth to 9 children he can't cater for, he send the
kids to the streets for survival, then turn around to blame government,
I will say, that is a self-imposed suffering.

cheesy
What will you rather the idle poor man be doing? It's the failure of Government in engaging him that gives him the time and space to keep reproducing.
Look and countries like Japan and a few others where their citizens are so busy the government has to grant them incentives to get married.
The point still remains Nigeria's problems are not large population induced, they are borne out of leadership failure.
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by gokuu(m): 2:56pm On Aug 06, 2017
Benjy5050:
Hunger will soon control it

Apparently, hunger has not controlled it.
The reason is logic; the vast majority of people causing the population explosion are not logical people.
To them, every problem is a nail and the only hammer is MORE BABIES with the hope that maybe one may make it. Its a deranged proposition.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by dingbang(m): 2:56pm On Aug 06, 2017
repogirl:
Are Chinese not humans like Nigerians?
same humans..different structure for policies.
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by repogirl(f): 3:00pm On Aug 06, 2017
dingbang:
same humans..different structure for policies.
Its humans that create policies anyway.

Africa's backwardness is a result of the our mentality.

We just accept that some things cannot be done and leave ourselves to fate, praying and believing God to do what we can do for ourselves.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by CocoaOla: 3:01pm On Aug 06, 2017
BEST BRAIN AWARD
Izygab:
I like the north very Much.. But the fact that they give birth like bacteria is quite disturbing, and more disturbing is the fact that many graduate from the north still come up with an ostensibly irrational and stupid explanation to their binary fission reproductive style.
if we continue to grow at this rate with the limited resources at our disposal, we may all someday go for cannibalism as the only remedy or nature will have to do it works of unleashing myriads of disasters just to clean the earth of the homo sapiens and give chance to different species.
I've observed that the poor having nothing else to do indulge more in sex both as recreational and a means of keeping themselves busy and as such they give birth to more children who they can't cater for than the rich.

As at 1960 Nigerian's population was barely 45 million,
30years later in 1991 it doubled 90 million, 55 years later in 2016 it quadrupled to 180 million. Currently Nigerians population is nearly 200million. If we continue with this madness called high rate of natality in which the north is apparently taking the lead, it will become so difficult for our kids in the next 50 to survive in this country.
Most people don't think before they comment
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by gokuu(m): 3:01pm On Aug 06, 2017
pmc01:


cheesy
What will you rather the idle poor man be doing? It's the failure of Government in engaging him that gives him the time and space to keep reproducing.
Look and countries like Japan and a few others where their citizens are so busy the government has to grant them incentives to get married.
The point still remains Nigeria's problems are not large population induced, they are borne out of leadership failure.

There is leadership failure, however, that is an illegitimate problem. The fact that we have a leadership crisis in Nigeria does not mean that we will be spared of the LEGITIMATE challenges that confront a nation like population size. A problem half-solved is always better.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by seguno2: 3:01pm On Aug 06, 2017
ngeneukwuewuGOAT:
TRUE TALK.

WHEN I WAS SERVING IN ONE OF THE NORTH WESTERN STATE, A HOUSE OF ONE ALHAJI CAN STAND AS A POLLING UNIT.
THE ALAHJI HAS FOUR WIVES AND EACH BORE HIM NINE CHILDREN. THEN IN HIS PREVIOUS MARRIAGE, HE ALREADY DIVORCED THREE WHOM ALREADY BORE HIM 11, 9. AND 7 CHILDREN RESPECTIVELY

NOT DONE YET, THESAME MAN IS PLANNING TO SEND THE TWO OLDEST WIFE PACKING FOR A MORE YOUNGER ONE ..
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AND IT CONTINUES LIKE THAT UNTILL THE WHOLE PLACE IS LITTERED WITH CHILDREN LIKE RATS.

THE NORTH NEEDS TOTAL OVERHAULING sad angry

What stops the private-jet-riding pastors in the south from doing missionary work with highly subsidised primary schools and health clinics to subtly change this in the same way that oyinbo missionaries did for the south many decades ago?
Why do you think that is not happening so far?
What can we do to make the pastors do this?
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by gokuu(m): 3:05pm On Aug 06, 2017
dingbang:
same humans..different structure for policies.

From your thinking, maybe the corruption is also just a permanent part of the Nigerian system. After all, "same people..different structures"

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Suzie1(f): 3:06pm On Aug 06, 2017
Nice advice... After any graduation, be it NCE, college of health, both NDs and BSc sometimes SSCE, the main goal of many Nigerians (youth) is to get married and start producing children.. Nothing to offer the society..

Some ladies will be looking for already made man (mostly married man). How would a well trained, disciplined and responsible woman choose to be a 'baby mama' simply because you want money that you don't work for?

I wonder what a mechanical engineering graduate seeking for in the Federal Civil Service Commission in the name of job.. To end up writing memo and minute? Is that how they wish to practice the engineering part of the machine?

Until the time we learn to be more practical in our choice of course, the educated fellows will remain to be illiterates.

I was taught long ago that those of age range 18-65 are the labour forces but many 18-35 years old Nigerians are still dependent. Blaming their parents, blaming the government etc. The blaming mentality goes from one generation to another.

Let's be responsible and stop acting as if government owes us a big debt.

Just like in a relationship, since our government is not giving us what we want, let's ignore them as if they dont exist and do something new with our lives. The more we are giving them the attention, the more they look more stronger and continue taking us for granted because they know we can't do without them..

Let's be independent!... Let's be a valuable asset to our society that they can't do without not a deficit..

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by dingbang(m): 3:09pm On Aug 06, 2017
repogirl:
Its humans that create policies anyway.

Africa's backwardness is a result of the our mentality.

We just accept that some things cannot be done and leave ourselves to fate, praying and believing God to do what we can do for ourselves.
I really don't think corruption can be rooted out from a normal human society.. Corruption exists everywhere. Where there is good, there must also be bad.

If you were given a slot for a job unmerited and you know within yourself u aren't fit for that job, would you take it?
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by VajanahDischaj(f): 3:11pm On Aug 06, 2017
We dont produce babies like the white men. We reproduce
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by DaBillionnaire: 3:13pm On Aug 06, 2017
petrov10:
alamjiri spotted cool cool. Shey after marrying 4 wives here. You will be given 72 in heaven

Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by izicooo(f): 3:19pm On Aug 06, 2017
Mr. Ben Bruce, flesh and blood did not reveal this truth to you. If Nigeria(ns) as a country and as a people could plan her natality rate (family planning) things will be so much Better for her citizens..

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by jaywise(m): 3:24pm On Aug 06, 2017
TheLordIsGr8:


Start the population control with yourself. That's a good start. Or doesn't change begin with you?

Certainly, I won't have more than three kids

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Exciton(m): 3:56pm On Aug 06, 2017
abiodunalasa:

God bless you Bros...

Back in the University, we took an awareness tour to Oil damaged Ogoni in Bayelsa.
We met many of the impoverished community people. We met one man who is a fisher man. You can tell from the look on his face that he is poor beyond poverty. But then he has 11 children and a pregnant wife. I almost collapsed when I find out this. As if not enough, one of his daughter about age of 16/17 is already a parent too. She was put into family way by a neighbor who later ran away. They were all living in one rickety wooden house. I shed tears.

At that moment I knew that no matter how well planned our economic policies are, no matter how fast the pedal upon which our economy is riding... With these kind of careless and mindless child bearing, poverty and hunger will continue to be our permanent companion.

We wrote a proposition on this matter to the then House of Rep Member Hon. Ali Ahmad. But the proposition was dismissed upon religious ground and archaic tradions.
The proposition was seeking to lobby for a law on ONE CHILD POLICY las did in China, though its a modify policy one which to suit Nigerian clime. Our proposition was rejected because they fear it will not be popular among our illiterate people the vast majority of whom voted for them.

Till now, I believe this is the right thing to do. It is #TheRightSense .
Come 2019 the Right sense will prevail

IMO, like Macron said, it's a "civilitazional" problem. We are yet to form a coherent group with systems in place that compel the leaders to make long-term plans/decisions for the common good. It seems that the people who rule over us are a little better than stark illiterates. People say they don't care, I think they're unenlightened. Else, it will take a huge level of psychopathy and stupidity to ignore problems that endanger the future of one's kids.

It's why they only care for immediate personal gain like power and money to buy property in Dubai. They don't care to form a civic society with strong legal systems, jurisprudence, social justice, good education etc because they don't have a good understanding of these ideas to start with! Most of these idiots have never read a book on civilization, on how societies rise and fall etc. I think it's also why our laws and constitution are rife with ambiguity and contradictions.

Until the right people get into government and we restructure our government system, no one at the top will be inclined to give a toss about such concerns. Their primary concern is the enrichment of their pockets.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by repogirl(f): 4:01pm On Aug 06, 2017
dingbang:
I really don't think corruption can be rooted out from a normal human society.. Corruption exists everywhere. Where there is good, there must also be bad.

If you were given a slot for a job unmerited and you know within yourself u aren't fit for that job, would you take it?
well, corruption is not exactly the issue here. The issue here is educating the populace that they don't need to give birth to children they cannot cater for. Measures should be taken to encourage birth control, make it free for people and even enforce it on the people.

We can't sit back and let what will happen, to happen.
Drastic steps need to be taken now before things get even messier than it is now.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by dingbang(m): 4:06pm On Aug 06, 2017
repogirl:
well, corruption is not exactly the issue here. The issue here is educating the populace that they don't need to give birth to children they cannot cater for. Measures should be taken to encourage birth control, make it free for people and even enforce it on the people.

We can't sit back and let what will happen, to happen.
Drastic steps need to be taken now before things get even messier than it is now.
I agree with you. But you know Nigerians.. They will be like, who are you to tell me how many kids I will born, and stuffs like that.

Its easy to proffer solutions, but let's not forget the hindrances. Our people are not ready to be disciplined..
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by adetayo234: 4:07pm On Aug 06, 2017
ALMUSTAQIM:
FOOLISH, STUPID WAY OF THINKING

A man asks yuou to create more jobs and fewer babies and you see it as foolish way of thinking? Can you then show us the wise way of thinking?

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by repogirl(f): 4:09pm On Aug 06, 2017
dingbang:
I agree with you. But you know Nigerians.. They will be like, who are you to tell me how many kids I will born, and stuffs like that.

Its easy to proffer solutions, but let's not forget the hindrances. Our people are not ready to be disciplined..
Yeah!

Same for the Chinese also but the govt. enforced it. Its paying off for them now.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Nobody: 4:13pm On Aug 06, 2017
Aura2:


Isnt that funny how you reduced the advise to racism.
Population is a big problem in Nigeria, your resources aren't going round, your infrastructure is under enormous pressure, the jobs aint going round, the schools are not enough yet you don't see the hands of an uncontrolled population in all these?
I hardly could wrap my head around how most of you reason.
I think we are really in a huge mess because some people can't spot danger ahead. I have tried several times on Nairaland to explain this issue of uncontrolled population but many people still don't get it.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Pylony(m): 4:13pm On Aug 06, 2017
This is very true, no wonder, with the recess economy we hear of parents selling their children for a price not worth two bags of rice this days. And our brothers up North are busy purging children more than they can feed to the streets of major cities to beg which i think begging arms is their core culture since we can't see where their religion support such an act on the rights of children, for if it is so, the arabs would have champion the cause of Almajiri street begging by children when they should be in school with their peers..

The recession experience i believe will ginger every man to stuff his cassava in its basket or dance with the hard economic music.

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