OLAADEGBU:


Apostolic succession is a lie from the pit of hell. There is no where in the Bible that teaches apostolic succession. See the link below for details.

https://www.gotquestions.org/apostolic-succession.html

when the apostles left they appointed and
ordained bishops to continue their ministry. the
bishops in general and the pope in particular are
successors of the apostles


the Bible again confirms what I wrote.

Titus 1:5–1:5
5 I left you behind in Crete for this reason, so that
you should put in order what remained to be
done, and should appoint elders in every town, as
I directed you:
1 Timothy 1:3–1:3
3 I urge you, as I did when I was on my way to
Macedonia, to remain in Ephesus so that you
may instruct certain people not to teach any
different doctrine,
, “And what you heard from
me through many witnesses entrust to faithful
people who will have the ability to teach
others as well” (2 Timothy 2:2

“They [the Apostles] appointed presbyters for
them in each church” (Acts 14:23).

Ubenedictus:


when the apostles left they appointed and
ordained bishops to continue their ministry. the
bishops in general and the pope in particular are
successors of the apostles


the Bible again confirms what I wrote.

Titus 1:5–1:5
5 I left you behind in Crete for this reason, so that
you should put in order what remained to be
done, and should appoint elders in every town, as
I directed you:
1 Timothy 1:3–1:3
3 I urge you, as I did when I was on my way to
Macedonia, to remain in Ephesus so that you
may instruct certain people not to teach any
different doctrine,
, “And what you heard from
me through many witnesses entrust to faithful
people who will have the ability to teach
others as well” (2 Timothy 2:2

“They [the Apostles] appointed presbyters for
them in each church” (Acts 14:23).

Wrong application. The elders of the church are not the same as the pope. The apostolic era which started with the Lord Jesus Christ directly commissioning the 12 Apostles in AD 33 and ended with the death of Apostle John in AD 100. Those claiming to carry on the apostolic succession are false apostles and those who have followed them have been led astray. Paul warned us against this in the verse below:

"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ" (2 Corinthians 11:13).

"The test is always that of complete fidelity to Scripture and only Scripture as determinative for Christian faith and practice. Note also Isaiah 8:20; II Timothy 3:15-17; and II Peter 3:3,15-18."

OLAADEGBU:


Wrong application. The elders of the church are not the same as the pope. The apostolic era which started with the Lord Jesus Christ directly commissioning the 12 Apostles in AD 33 and ended with the death of Apostle John in AD 100. Those claiming to carry on the apostolic succession are false apostles and those who have followed them have been led astray. Paul warned us against this in the verse below:

"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ" (2 Corinthians 11:13).

"The test is always that of complete fidelity to Scripture and only Scripture as determinative for Christian faith and practice. Note also Isaiah 8:20; II Timothy 3:15-17; and II Peter 3:3,15-18."

Titus 1:5–1:5
5 I left you behind in Crete for this reason, so
that
you should put in order what remained to be
done, and should appoint elders in every town, as
I directed you:
1 Timothy 1:3–1:3
3 I urge you, as I did when I was on my way to
Macedonia, to remain in Ephesus so that you
may instruct certain people not to teach any
different doctrine,
, “And what you heard from
me through many witnesses entrust to faithful
people who will have the ability to teach
others as well” (2 Timothy 2:2
“They [the Apostles] appointed presbyters for
them in each church” (Acts 14:23




so again the Bible tells us that the apostles appointed and ordained people to succeed them in ministry.


ola says no!


of course I agree with the Bible and disagree with ola

Ubenedictus:


Titus 1:5–1:5
5 I left you behind in Crete for this reason, so
that
you should put in order what remained to be
done, and should appoint elders in every town, as
I directed you:
1 Timothy 1:3–1:3
3 I urge you, as I did when I was on my way to
Macedonia, to remain in Ephesus so that you
may instruct certain people not to teach any
different doctrine,
, “And what you heard from
me through many witnesses entrust to faithful
people who will have the ability to teach
others as well” (2 Timothy 2:2
“They [the Apostles] appointed presbyters for
them in each church” (Acts 14:23




so again the Bible tells us that the apostles appointed and ordained people to succeed them in ministry.


ola says no!


of course I agree with the Bible and disagree with ola

If you want to agree with the Bible then you better start reading it.

"And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues" (1 Corinthians 12:28).

The verse quoted above says: "first apostles." It did not say elders which is different from apostles. The gift of apostleship lasted only as long as apostle John was living. One of its prerequisites was that of seeing the resurrected Christ in person.

"Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?" (1 Corinthians 9:1).

Did any of your popes see the resurrected Christ? The idea of an apostolic succession in later centuries is without Biblical support, but the missionary in some measure is similar in function.

OLAADEGBU:


If you want to agree with the Bible then you better start reading it.

"And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues" (1 Corinthians 12:28).

The verse quoted above says: "first apostles." It did not say elders which is different from apostles. The gift of apostleship lasted only as long as apostle John was living. One of its prerequisites was that of seeing the resurrected Christ in person.

"Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?" (1 Corinthians 9:1).

Did any of your popes see the resurrected Christ? The idea of an apostolic succession in later centuries is without Biblical support, but the missionary in some measure is similar in function.

no one said the successors saw Jesus you are arguing with yourself. the apostles ordained successors for the ministry and gave the authority in the church.

Titus 1:5–1:5
5 I left you behind in Crete for this reason, so
that
you should put in order what remained to be
done, and should appoint elders in every town, as
I directed you:
1 Timothy 1:3–1:3
3 I urge you, as I did when I was on my way to
Macedonia, to remain in Ephesus so that you
may instruct certain people not to teach any
different doctrine,
, “And what you heard from
me through many witnesses entrust to faithful
people who will have the ability to teach
others as well” (2 Timothy 2:2
“They [the Apostles] appointed presbyters for
them in each church” (Acts 14:23



who appointed the pastor of your church? who ordained him?

Ubenedictus:


no one said the successors saw Jesus you are arguing with yourself. the apostles ordained successors for the ministry and gave the authority in the church.

Titus 1:5–1:5
5 I left you behind in Crete for this reason, so
that
you should put in order what remained to be
done, and should appoint elders in every town, as
I directed you:
1 Timothy 1:3–1:3
3 I urge you, as I did when I was on my way to
Macedonia, to remain in Ephesus so that you
may instruct certain people not to teach any
different doctrine,
, “And what you heard from
me through many witnesses entrust to faithful
people who will have the ability to teach
others as well” (2 Timothy 2:2
“They [the Apostles] appointed presbyters for
them in each church” (Acts 14:23



who appointed the pastor of your church? who ordained him?

Are you saying elders, bishops, pastors and popes are the same?

OLAADEGBU:


Are you saying elders, bishops, pastors and popes are the same?

actually a pope is simply a Bishop, he is also a presbyter and a pastor.

though not every presbyter is a bishop.

I note 3 functions and ministries important for the every day function of the Church I.e the deacon, the presbyter and the bishop.


they are not all the same, a deacon is not a presbyter or a bishop.
a presbyter isn't a deacon... he may be a bishop.
a bishop isn't a deacon but he certainly is a presbyter.


they are not all the same but in each case they are appointed and ordained by successors of the apostles.


who ordained your pastor?

OLAADEGBU:


Are you saying elders, bishops, pastors and popes are the same?

they are just titles

Stubbornness is very dangerous.

OLAADEGBU:


At least you place your church tradition on the same level if not above the inspired Word of God, no?

Olaadegbu I even liked some of your posts because you speak with great wisdom but I think it's at this point that the argument became corrupt with pride.

There's nothing like 'your church tradition'. This is the same Church we all started with. Even in the segment of 'The Church' you now practice with, I am sure you have rules. Are we not made in the image and likeness of God? What makes you think the church tradition is not inspired Word of God?

Since this point in this thread, everything else is a deviation. There are misunderstandings between our practice of Christianity, but this is understandable because God is so big. People experience and worship Him differently -- and for that reason most abundantly (in variety) in the Catholic Church. I admire protestants who have taken the teaching of grace to the maximum level. But there's also the teaching of repentance and love and obedience, and many more. Christ knew Christianity was going to be practiced the way it is presently done today when He said "who is not against us, is with us". If you think all the Catholics He manifests to are liars, then you must be hard-hearted. The same way I will be hard-hearted if I believe all the protestants He manifests to are liars.

Ubenedictus:


actually a pope is simply a Bishop, he is also a presbyter and a pastor.

though not every presbyter is a bishop.

I note 3 functions and ministries important for the every day function of the Church I.e the deacon, the presbyter and the bishop.


they are not all the same, a deacon is not a presbyter or a bishop.
a presbyter isn't a deacon... he may be a bishop.
a bishop isn't a deacon but he certainly is a presbyter.


they are not all the same but in each case they are appointed and ordained by successors of the apostles.


who ordained your pastor?

Why lie? How many popes you have have at a time? There is nothing like popes and nuns in the Bible, it's foreign.

mechanics:


they are just titles

Is the title "Pope" found in the Bible?

skydancer:


Stubbornness is very dangerous.



Olaadegbu I even liked some of your posts because you speak with great wisdom but I think it's at this point that the argument became corrupt with pride.

There's nothing like 'your church tradition'. This is the same Church we all started with. Even in the segment of 'The Church' you now practice with, I am sure you have rules. Are we not made in the image and likeness of God? What makes you think the church tradition is not inspired Word of God?

Since this point in this thread, everything else is a deviation. There are misunderstandings between our practice of Christianity, but this is understandable because God is so big. People experience and worship Him differently -- and for that reason most abundantly (in variety) in the Catholic Church. I admire protestants who have taken the teaching of grace to the maximum level. But there's also the teaching of repentance and love and obedience, and many more. Christ knew Christianity was going to be practiced the way it is presently done today when He said "who is not against us, is with us". If you think all the Catholics He manifests to are liars, then you must be hard-hearted. The same way I will be hard-hearted if I believe all the protestants He manifests to are liars.

You need to read the words of Jesus instead of adhering to the traditions that contradicts God's Commandments. This is what Jesus has to say to those who think their church traditions are equal to or carry more weight than God's commandments:

"He answered and said to them, Well has Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honours me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandments of God, you hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many such like things you do. And He said to them, Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition" (Mark 7:6-9).

OLAADEGBU:


Is the title "Pope" found in the Bible?

was not referring to Pope, I meant Pastors, Bishops, Evangelists etc.

OLAADEGBU:


You need to read the words of Jesus instead of adhering to the traditions that contradicts God's Commandments. This is what Jesus has to say to those who think their church traditions are equal to or carry more weight than God's commandments:

"He answered and said to them, Well has Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honours me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandments of God, you hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many such like things you do. And He said to them, Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition" (Mark 7:6-9).

Lol I suspected you were an atheist. Thanks for confirming

Ubenedictus:



of course I agree with the Bible and disagree with ola

you uben only agree with the bible where is doesn't go against your rcc false doctrines

do you believe mary had children after Jesus? do you believe the following verses?

Mat 13:55  Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 
Mat 13:56  And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

Ubenedictus:


Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.

eph 2:20

Ubenedictus:


Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20

Ubenedictus:
Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20

Ubenedictus:
Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20

Ubenedictus:
Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20

Ubenedictus:
Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the
prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus
himself.
eph 2:20

how ridiculous can one be
uben you are in that rut again where you have nothing, and keep repeating yourself,
and of course eph 2:20 is not speaking off the rcc being built on the foundations of the apostles and prophets,
the apostles and prophets never taught praying to mary and other deceased persons,
the apostles and prophets never had idols - statues they kneeled and prayed before etc. etc. etc. etc.

your deceased persons are not just persons you pray to, to ask them to pray to God for you
you build houses of worship for your deceased persons, you worship them, and you build statues of them and you bow kneel and pray to deceased persons before their statues

but you don't worship the deceased persons, and the statues are not idols, oh no, ha ha ha

johnw74:
















how ridiculous can one be
uben you are in that rut again where you have nothing, and keep repeating yourself,
and of course eph 2:20 is not speaking off the rcc being built on the foundations of the apostles and prophets,
the apostles and prophets never taught praying to mary and other deceased persons,
the apostles and prophets never had idols - statues they kneeled and prayed before etc. etc. etc. etc.

your deceased persons are not just persons you pray to, to ask them to pray to God for you
you build houses of worship for your deceased persons, you worship them, and you build statues of them and you bow kneel and pray to deceased persons before their statues

but you don't worship the deceased persons, and the statues are not idols, oh no, ha ha ha

and of course you enjoy jumping into issues, the topic is the apostles as foundation of the Church, I won't be derailed

johnw74:


you uben only agree with the bible where is doesn't go against your rcc false doctrines

do you believe mary had children after Jesus? do you believe the following verses?

Mat 13:55  Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 
Mat 13:56  And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

please where does that passage call anyone Mary's child apart from Jesus?

OLAADEGBU:


Why lie? How many popes you have have at a time? There is nothing like popes and nuns in the Bible, it's foreign.

there is no lie.


you can only have one cephas

Ubenedictus:
and of course you enjoy jumping into issues, the topic is the apostles as foundation of the Church, I won't be derailed

if you were truthful you would have said: i posted the same thing very many times because i have nothing else

Ubenedictus:
please where does that passage call anyone Mary's child apart from Jesus?

i see, you want to twist God's word,
tell me who was the mother of Jesus brothers James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas, and Jesus sisters?

Mat 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Mat 13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

there is nothing more evil than the rcc

popes(satans disciples) say they are god:

The Pope is called "Our Holy Father". See encyclical letter of Pope Leo XIII in the Douay Version of the Bible. He is also called "Our Most Holy Lord", Pope Pius X. See Cardinals Oath. Moreri, a famous historian said, "To make war against the Pope is to make war against God, seeing the Pope is God and God is the Pope". Decius said, "The Pope can do all things God can do". Pope Leo XIII said of himself, "The supreme teacher in the Church is the Roman Pontiff. Union of minds, therefore, requires, together with a perfect accord in the one faith, complete submission and obedience of will to the Church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God himself." Pope Pius X said, "The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ himself hidden under the veil of the flesh. Does the Pope speak? It is Jesus Christ who speaks." Pope Pius XI once declared, "You know that I am the Holy Father, the representative of God on earth, the Vicar of Christ, which means that I am God on the earth."

^^^ no christian could believe that, showing that rc's do know that they are satans disciples






Joh 17:11  And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

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Rom 3:10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 
Rom 3:23  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

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(2Th 2:3)  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
(2Th 2:4)  Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


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Mat 24:5  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.


an rc priest is alter christus - another christ: 

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(2Co 11:2)  For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

(2Co 11:3)  But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

(2Co 11:4)  For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

skydancer:


Lol I suspected you were an atheist. Thanks for confirming

God doesn't believe in atheists.

johnw74:


you uben only agree with the bible where is doesn't go against your rcc false doctrines

do you believe mary had children after Jesus? do you believe the following verses?

Mat 13:55  Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 
Mat 13:56  And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

See the thread that addressed the false doctrines the RCC believe and teach which go against the Bible doctrines.

https://www.nairaland.com/2422498/list-false-teachings-roman-catholic

Ubenedictus:


there is no lie.


you can only have one cephas

And who told you that Cephas was a Pope?

mechanics:


was not referring to Pope, I meant Pastors, Bishops, Evangelists etc.

I see. The Pope took the title reserved for God alone. They call him "Holy Father," blasphemy!

johnw74:


how ridiculous can one be
uben you are in that rut again where you have nothing, and keep repeating yourself,
and of course eph 2:20 is not speaking off the rcc being built on the foundations of the apostles and prophets,
the apostles and prophets never taught praying to mary and other deceased persons,
the apostles and prophets never had idols - statues they kneeled and prayed before etc. etc. etc. etc.

your deceased persons are not just persons you pray to, to ask them to pray to God for you
you build houses of worship for your deceased persons, you worship them, and you build statues of them and you bow kneel and pray to deceased persons before their statues

but you don't worship the deceased persons, and the statues are not idols, oh no, ha ha ha

See the horror on their faces as their idol fell to the ground and got broken.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Ian6oV5RQ

OLAADEGBU:


I see. The Pope took the title reserve for God alone. They call him "Holy Father," blasphemy!

Okay, that's serious o

OLAADEGBU:


See the horror on their faces as their idol fell to the ground and got broken.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Ian6oV5RQ

that was funny

OLAADEGBU:


See the horror on their faces as their idol fell to the ground and got broken.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Ian6oV5RQ

you think you're making sense? You speak evil against the church of Christ, I'll advice you ask for forgiveness. Nothing can stand against the church of Christ, the gate of hell can't because it is the TRUE church. The church amidst all persecution is still standing, nothing in this world can bring it down not even your hypocrisy, retrace your steps and make amends. Peace

OLAADEGBU:

And who told you that Cephas was a Pope?

all early Christian writers.
the pope is simply bishop of Rome

johnw74:


i see, you want to twist God's word,
tell me who was the mother of Jesus brothers James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas, and Jesus sisters?

Mat 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Mat 13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

I had earlier asked you to provide the verse that calls them sons of Mary.

provide them or admit such verse don't exist, then I'll be happy to provide you with their mum.