LotusFan:



Hnmmmmn so many pertinent questions. The question is what is heaven and what is hell? Could they be opposite states of mind?


I will share an experience with You. When my dad died I was 16 i had left the hospital with my brother and less than 48 hours later I was informed that he had passed On. Fast forward to about 3 days later, I had a "dream".

In this "dream" I saw my Dad, I was shocked and accidentally blurted out " but I thought you were dead". He looked at me and asked in his characteristic fashion " who told you I'm dead?" Before I could reply he said " did you SEE me die? I'm here".

He looked and acted exactly the same I didn't tell anyone except my mum. But after that day I was convinced that there was a place souls went that was not the hell described in church.

I am of the opinion that some of us hang around here for a while due to our attachments after which we go on a long, long journey.

Have you ever read Wondered in the spirit lands by Franchezzo? Some of the events recounted might be at variance with what you might beleive... But, you never know.

SoapAndSponge:

You sure about this, Ana?
That God don't send nobody to hell, save their choice?

SoapAndSponge:

Even a sin as minute as white lies can land someone in hell. What about my ancestors who weren't privy to the Gospel; lived in sin without an awareness of consequences, and are dead long ago. Did they choose hell?

SoapAndSponge:

If my sister were a Nairaland Satanist who told me to mind my business, I would literally love hell OUT of her, and not in such a way that my love would then stand against her on the last day. I rather not love her in such manner as to be the one who hastens her descent into hell. It's akin to wishing her hell.

SoapAndSponge:

Luke 9:54-55
[i]And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?But Jesus rebuked them. Ye do not know what manner of spirit ye are of...

SoapAndSponge:


Kindly take a look at the above, Ana...
And compare with the verse you quoted.
Christ is our standard, right?
Does that verse in Deuteronomy speak the language of love?

SoapAndSponge:

Here's what Moses says.....
I call heaven and earth to record this day "against" you......the keyword being against..
I find it hard to reconcile how the spirit of love can be at work in you and then you take actions AGAINST those God connected you with because they are clearly in the wrong.

SoapAndSponge:

Now, here's what the disciples say
"Shall we command fire from heaven to come down and consume them."....the keywords being fire and consume.
Jesus rebuked them. Because such spirit was not of zeal, but a vengeful kind.

We know that Moses was a great man, a great vessel of Yahweh. But he had anger issues.

SoapAndSponge:

Since they won't hear, then they shall get the hell they deserve. Right?

I agree.
Let's assume that they have unwittingly chosen hell.
Question is, will Ana love them into it, or out of it?

Sarassin:
Cara Mia, the lone voice crying out in the wilderness.

Sarassin:
Phew, now I can breathe again.

lekkie073:
and to further buttress ur point I will advice anyone who wishes to know more about life after death to read up 'three lives' by lobsang rampa

lekkie073:
and to further buttress ur point I will advice anyone who wishes to know more about life after death to read up 'three lives' by lobsang rampa

analice107:

So, I'm Jane the Baptist now?

Sarassin:

Hehehe maybe a better looking version.

analice107:

You definitely don't know how i look. John looked for better than i am.

analice107:

You definitely don't know how i look. John looked for better than i am.

Chubhie:

With a dose of "Many Lives Many Masters" By Brian Weiss.

Hi Lotusfan

I understand you.

That said, I for one,,
I do not have direct dream experiences.
Most of my dreams are symbolic.
I mean, the ones where my higher self is trying to pass a message.
And I always dream of situations before they happen, well, symbolically of course. And I tend to wake up with the interpretation.

Other times, it's just my subconscious playing tricks.
Like I dreamt when LoJ gave me a Bible verse 1peter 1:37.
Of course, nothing like that exists that is known to me.


So maybe, it was your subconscious playing tricks, or your higher self trying to send you a symbolic message.

I dreamt once of my off spring's death. I was given this oil by someone to rub on, got revived.
I was in between this world and the other when I cancelled that dream. I was shitty scared.
Turns out it wasn't my offspring but something very precious to me.
Now that was a symbolic message.

Few days later, I would see my offspring in same dream taking first steps and looking so happy in a white apparel.
Interpretation? I conquered.
Another symbolic message.

We can all rely on the spirit of truth within each and every to point us to the right path and make known to us the things which are confusing.

Sarassin:

I do not think I would take the words of T. Lobsang Rampa as gospel. He was a fraud.

iamnlia:
Mr.Sarassin, how do I petition an angel over something that was stolen from me? Say my phone.

lekkie073:
why do u term him a fraud?

Sarassin:

Lobsang Rampa was an English man named Cyril Hoskin, he was a plumber. Prior to writing his first book he had never travelled outside of England. He did all his research at the British library in London.

iamnlia:
Mr.Sarassin, how do I petition an angel over something that was stolen from me? Say my phone.

Sarassin:
Don't be too hard on yourself.

Sarassin:

You can petition Archangel Raphael for the recovery of stolen items. Use the format provided in the previous pages.

lekkie073:
well, I know this but I still find a lot of his books interesting. though most r just stories of his alleged spiritual adventures which to me is not beyond possibility

Sarassin:


Sure, novels are interesting. His methods were simplistic, incomplete and mostly watered down Hermetic practice. He described one method of opening the third eye which was simply horrific. No serious practitioner takes Rampa seriously. I should add...in my view.

lekkie073:
in my culture there is a saying that if u can't buy a lie, u won't ever have access to the truth.

Sarassin:

Of course, provided one knows that it is a lie in the first place, else how do you distinguish between what is falsehood and what is truth?

iRyan:
I get a week off from work at the wake of the coming month and I'd wanna spend this one in solitude with loads of tranquil and quiescence. sarassin how can I make the most out of this short time frame as per going on a spiritual journey

SoapAndSponge:


I see you have a crush on Ana.


*hides*

lekkie073:
try to read 'in the light of truth by abd-ru-shin most especially the volume 2 and 3. u won't regret it

analice107:

He is not old enough to run errants for my man, trust me. He knows me out of here and i know him too. He's a child.

Ranchhoddas:
*crosses self 1000 times*
This is an evil thought.
Banish it.