elampiro:


Mr Irony Ekwe Akwechemheli,

Pogba should play like Neymar, Suarez, Messi and Ronaldo before I praise him. That's the only condition now.

Una go kill me here.

lekkie073:
when fans make such mistake of comparing two players in different positions, I expect ppl like u to know better but no, u show u r not so different from the indomie generation reasoning. Smh

They are still midfielders. Just like sometimes, we say Roberto Carlos or Paulo Maldini was world best defender at some point in his career. There are times you generalize, some other times you specify. You can talk defence in general or talk left back in particular. You can talk midfield in general or talk DM or CM or AM specifically.

Currently, there is a dearth of quality midfield players in the world. Particularly the CM.

sinizia:


Yes, Elampiro didn't preface his post with "on current form", but aren't we all guilty of that offence at some point on Nairaland? IMHO, not everything has to be spelt out explicitly for one to grab the full intention.

Take for example,any of us have called Mhikitaryan a ghost but never added "based on current form". So, if Mhikitaryan goes ahead to pick form and start turning up for our matches, does it wipe away the fact that he's ghosting in those periods and there's room for a change?

Can't a player go from shitty to top player? If Chelsea fans said Salah was average back at Chelsea but now a quality player, I think they'll be both right. Things change, players can improve.

No, it is different, we started calling mkhitaryan a ghost just recently, that doesn't mean we are generally assessing him as a player, it was clear we were assessing based on current form, the word "can't" comes into play here

he said, Martial "can't" run long distance with the ball, meaning he has never seen Martial to be the type of player that run long distance with the ball, whether now, before or in the future, this looks more like a general assessment of the player than saying mkhitaryan has been missing in matches, doesn't mean mkhitaryan can't show up in matches,

take the 2015/2016 season where Hazard went missing, there is no way Chelsea fans would say Hazard can't dribble just because he had an off season, saying that would be a general assessment of the player which is false

same way we say Fellaini can't be a creative midfielder, it is a general assessment of the player not just based on current form, it is the same thing Elamp meant when he said Martial can't run long distance with with the ball, it wasn't just based on current form, it is a general assessment of the player, take note of the word "can't"

Not disputing the fact that players can change with time though, but until they do, we all have our general assessment of every player

dopeJemi:


No, it is different, we started calling mkhitaryan a ghost just recently, that doesn't mean we are generally assessing him as a player, it was clear we were assessing based on current form, the word "can't" comes into play here

he said, Martial "can't" run long distance with the ball, meaning he has never seen Martial to be the type of player that run long distance with the ball, whether now, before or in the future, this looks more like a general assessment of the player than saying mkhitaryan has been missing in matches, doesn't mean mkhitaryan can't show up in matches,

take the 2015/2016 season where Hazard went missing, there is no way Chelsea fans would say Hazard can't dribble just because he had an off season, saying that would be a general assessment of the player which is false

same way we say Fellaini can't be a creative midfielder, it is a general assessment of the player not just based on current form, it is the same thing Elamp meant when he said Martial can't run long distance on with the ball, it wasn't just based on current form, it is a general assessment of the player, take note of the word "can't"

Not disputing the fact that players can change with time though, but until they do, we all have our general assessment of every player

thank u for elucidating

joeace2020:


And therein lies your problem. It's not about winning an argument, but facing facts and truths. Yes i do believe you rated Pogba highly.. even the screen shots show that but you were also quoted as saying "Pogba is the one being shitty". This you said, was screenshot and shown to all but you vehemently denied ever calling him that. That shocked me to be honest. Something everyone with an eye was seeing. Sometimes you just have to agree to facts wether they demean your "i can't be wrong" persona or not. You as well as many here did indeed criticize Pogba extensively when he was playing poorly. No one holds that against you because we are doing same or worse with Mikitaryan and Lindelof at the moment and someday in the future someone might be digging out our posts when we start calling the "best in the league". Every fan does this, why are you worked up over having done it?

Must you have the last laugh?
Must you win the argument?

Please, let's get something clear here, and not accuse Elampiro falsely. From your own post, you said Elampiro said "Pogba is the one BEING shitty".

Now, context is very important in arguments. You are concluding that Elampiro meant Pogba is a shitty player generally when actually, the context Elampiro made that statement in, he was trying to DEFEND ROONEY as always. It's basically him saying "instead of saying Rooney was the shitty player in today's match, it's actually Pogba that's the shitty player today. So cut Rooney some slacks".

Elampiro, from what I understood from that screenshot was trying to exonerate Rooney and was arguing ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR MATCH.

sinizia:


Please, let's get something clear here, and not accuse Elampiro falsely. From your own post, you said Elampiro said "Pogba is the one BEING shitty".

Now, context is very important in arguments. You are concluding that Elampiro meant Pogba is a shitty player generally when actually, the context Elampiro made that statement in, he was trying to DEFEND ROONEY as always. It's basically him saying "instead of saying Rooney was the shitty player in today's match, it's actually Pogba that's the shitty player today. So cut Rooney some slacks".

Elampiro, from what I understood from that screenshot was trying to exonerate Rooney and was arguing ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR MATCH.

nah . he didn't say pogba is the one BEing shitty.
He said and I quote ' pogba is a shitty player'

On another occasion 'pogba is a lazy player'

That's a perpetual tense

More like sinizia is a man.
If he said pogba is playing shitty, or pogba preformed poorly, it shows clearly that d statement goes with a particular occurrence.
But using 'is' is tantamount to ascribing something to the subject perperually

dopeJemi:


No, it is different, we started calling mkhitaryan a ghost just recently, that doesn't mean we are generally assessing him as a player, it was clear we were assessing based on current form, the word "can't" comes into play here

he said, Martial "can't" run long distance with the ball, meaning he has never seen Martial to be the type of player that run long distance with the ball, whether now, before or in the future, this looks more like a general assessment of the player than saying mkhitaryan has been missing in matches, doesn't mean mkhitaryan can't show up in matches,

take the 2015/2016 season where Hazard went missing, there is no way Chelsea fans would say Hazard can't dribble just because he had an off season, saying that would be a general assessment of the player which is false

same way we say Fellaini can't be a creative midfielder, it is a general assessment of the player not just based on current form, it is the same thing Elamp meant when he said Martial can't run long distance with with the ball, it wasn't just based on current form, it is a general assessment of the player, take note of the word "can't"

Not disputing the fact that players can change with time though, but until they do, we all have our general assessment of every player

Elampiro saying Martial is not a player that can run long distance with ball can actually be correct "at that time" if Martial still doesn't run with ball for long distance at that time he made the that statement. So he's not wrong as at when he made that statement even if Martial goes on to start running with the ball long DISTANCE IN FUTURE.

For example, I said last season that Zlatan is slow and kills our counter-attacks.

Is it true AS AT WHEN I MADE THE OBSERVATION? Yea!!

but does it mean that Zlatan has been slow even in his younger age? No!!

Like I said in my penultimate post, context matters a lot. From what I read, that argument was about Pogba being shitty for that match, his mistake was not prefacing it with "in today's match", and it's mistake many of us do.

sinizia:


Elampiro saying Martial is not a player that can run long distance with ball can actually be correct "at that time" if Martial still doesn't run with ball for long distance at that time he made the that statement. So he's not wrong as at when he made that statement even if Martial goes on to start running with the ball long DISTANCE IN FUTURE.

For example, I said last season that Zlatan is slow and kills our counter-attacks.

Is it true AS AT WHEN I MADE THE OBSERVATION? Yea!!

but does it mean that Zlatan has been slow even in his younger age? No!!

Like I said in my penultimate post, context matters a lot. From what I read, that argument was about Pogba being shitty for that match, his mistake was not prefacing it with "in today's match", and it's mistake many of us do.

u also said pogba should be playing like sisoko, I think

lekkie073:
nah . he didn't say pogba is the one BEing shitty.
He said and I quote ' pogba is a shitty player'

On another occasion 'pogba is a lazy player'

That's a perpetual tense

More like sinizia is a man.
If he said pogba is playing shitty, or pogba preformed poorly, it shows clearly that d statement goes with a particular occurrence.
But using 'is' is tantamount to ascribing something to the subject perperually

OK, I can't hold briefs for him for that. But, I feel it's Elampiro fighting for Rooney as always that made him say that.

lekkie073:
u also said pogba should be playing like sisoko, I think

Bro, no offence meant, but you've comprehension issues.


Please, dig up my post, that particular post and see that you're distorting my original post. Dig up and see. I'm tired of explaining that post.

sinizia:


Bro, no offence meant, but you've comprehension issues.


Please, dig up my post, that particular post and see that you're distorting my original post. Dig up and see. I'm tired of explaining that post.

I ll revisit it on another day

sinizia:


Elampiro saying Martial is not a player that can run long distance with ball can actually be correct "at that time" if Martial still doesn't run with ball for long distance at that time he made the that statement. So he's not wrong as at when he made that statement even if Martial goes on to start running with the ball long DISTANCE IN FUTURE.

For example, I said last season that Zlatan is slow and kills our counter-attacks.

Is it true AS AT WHEN I MADE THE OBSERVATION? Yea!!

but does it mean that Zlatan has been slow even in his younger age? No!!

Like I said in my penultimate post, context matters a lot. From what I read, that argument was about Pogba being shitty for that match, his mistake was not prefacing it with "in today's match", and it's mistake many of us do.

if I say hensbrain can't speak good English, it is a known fact and also a general assessment of the mor.on, doesn't mean he can't learn, just because he can learn with time doesn't mean we are saying that based on his current form of stupidity.. we are saying it based on what we have seen both past and present

Apply this to the Martial statement which is false.. I am not even talking about the Pogba statement, Lekkie already made that clear to him

lekkie073:
I ll revisit it on another day

Let me clarify myself again to avoid being accused of what I never said.

Please, I never wished or wanted Sissoko anywhere near Manchester United. I wouldnt even recommend him for Shitty our rivals.

What I was talking about was his "performance" for France in that final. Even an average player can once in a blue moon put up a brilliant performance. Everyone knows that no matter how poor Sissoko may be, his performance on that final night was brilliant. He's at least the best France player on that pitch FOR ME. It's waaaaaaaaay different from me wishing United bought him. I'm not that stupid. Mbanu!!

dopeJemi:


if I say hensbrain can't speak good English, it is a known fact and also a general assessment of the mor.on, doesn't mean he can't learn, just because he can learn with time doesn't mean we are saying that based on his current form of stupidity.. we are saying it based on what we have seen both past and present

Apply this to the Martial statement which is false.. I am not even talking about the Pogba statement, Lekkie already made that clear to him

OK, I get you. But let me ask you, do you think Martial can run long distance with ball on his feet like Salah?


For me, I'm not sure o, at least not consistently, but he has the potentials to do it. What do you think?

dopeJemi:


if I say hensbrain can't speak good English, it is a known fact and also a general assessment of the mor.on, doesn't mean he can't learn, just because he can learn with time doesn't mean we are saying that based on his current form of stupidity.. we are saying it based on what we have seen both past and present

Apply this to the Martial statement which is false.. I am not even talking about the Pogba statement, Lekkie already made that clear to him

hensben.....u have a package

sinizia:


OK, I get you. But let me ask you, do you think Martial can run long distance with ball on his feet like Salah?


For me, I'm not sure o, at least not consistently, but he has the potentials to do it. What do you think?

It is hard to tell this season because our pattern has been quite different, the team in general don't cover much distance, unlike Martial's first season with us, were he did that but not often

I believe Elampiro did spend a huge Sum of Money to hire a very competent, sound Lawyer in Sinizia.

Just too hungry to even make any sense of this argument. Any summary please?

RuffRuggedRaw:
Wetin consign me with Dembele. Just because I post some "encouraging" comments on that thread!?

[s]Just to set the record straight. Man Utd fan since "Fergie Fledglings" got trounced 4-0 by Barcelona of Romario and Stoichkov at the Camp Nou in '94, mate.
Been following English soccer from reading books - "the Busby babes", Sir Stanley Matthews autobiography, the famous international games between "best of leagues" teams et al back in the old days. Bar the last 3 seasons, bought every United shirt and donated to causes since 1996![/s]

Pogba is the next worst thing to happen to United since that scam of a Ghana-ian, Welbeck; and it is gonna take way more than superb performances against Newcastles, Rubin Kazans and Lokomotivs to convince me!

the fact you assume the guy is trying to convince you sef is enough for you to see a psychiatrist

elampiro:
But since last season, Kante has been doing better than Pogba. Even PFA says it. So those who criticized Pogba were right.

For you to come and start bashing people because Pogba played well against Newcastle only brings more scrutiny to the poor lad even from us who praised him yesterday.

tell us how Kante is doing better than Pogba this season.

elampiro:

Someone said this season that Pogba is yet to play against a team from 1st to 10th, that when we beat Spurs, Pogba was not there. I have not checked to verify if this is true but on a rough estimate, it looks true.

Top 6= Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Tottenham, Liverpool, Arsenal.

Pogba is expected to perform even when matches hasn't been played or he's absent? I'm not understanding o.

so what has Kante don against your top 6 this season?

Oasis007:


I believe Elampiro did spend a huge Sum of Money to hire a very competent, sound Lawyer in Sinizia.

funlord:



This is the absolute truth....they both have degrees in senseless amalanomics and take being wrong when discussing football as some sort of death sentence! I can't believe what I'm reading.... Tufiakwa

funlord:
This is the absolute truth....they both have degrees in senseless amalanomics and take being wrong when discussing football as some sort of death sentence! I can't believe what I'm reading.... Tufiakwa

Actually its the inability of people to read, reason contextually and apply understanding that is missing here. I can say I am rarely wrong because most of my opinions are always well thought out and backed up by necesary facts

I think elampiro is the same that is why most of you dont understand him, Maybe thats why he doesnt post as much nowadays because there are rarely intellectual football arguments based on facts anymore

When was the last time we saw an in-depth analysis like coogar vs elamps give us regularly here. To be honest there were lots of facts shared and you can learn a lot from it. Then the people who cant cope will complain that their arguments are too long, same way they complained about kagawa10. What do we have now? poorly researched opinions

Logic is malleable, its resilient and needs to be subjected to several tests. When you cannot cope with the twist and turns of logic then you naively term it amala turning.

If you tell some people A is for Apple and tomorrow say A is for Air. They will start shouting amala turning because they cant understand why A is no longer for Apple

raumdeuter:


Actually its the inability of people to read, reason contextually and apply understanding that is missing here. I can say I am rarely wrong because most of my opinions are always well thought out and backed up by necesary facts

I think elampiro is the same that is why most of you dont understand him, Maybe thats why he doesnt post as much nowadays because there are rarely intellectual football arguments based on facts anymore

When was the last time we saw an in-depth analysis like coogar vs elamps give us regularly here. To be honest there were lots of facts shared and you can learn a lot from it. Then the people who cant cope will complain that their arguments are too long, same way they complained about kagawa10. What do we have now? poorly researched opinions

Logic is malleable, its resilient and needs to be subjected to several tests. When you cannot cope with the twist and turns of logic then you naively term it amala turning.

If you tell some people A is for Apple and tomorrow say A is for Air. They will start shouting amala turning because they cant understand why A is no longer for Apple

So you also believe some of the hogwash your man has spit like rooneys poor performances were down to him having a curved spine? Is that the kind of analogy you want someone like me to use as a basis for any sort of soccer discourse? And why is it that when you are cornered rather than answer a direct question you either keep quiet or ask a question that does not co relate with the point you can't prove? Is that what you term as being "cunny"?

Coogar was always on his case because of the ridiculousness of most of his posts....but well coogar had enough time to engage him due to his line of work with arif....I don't have that sort of time to waste....i don't get credit alerts for posting epistles, skewed logic or engaging in twisting history...I prefer to hustle hard rather than engaging in the types of arguments that I left behind in SS1.....let's call a spade a spade and not a fork abeg...


Who makes statements like " I am the king of facts or I am never wrong" on a public forum if not people who are trying too hard to seem smart? It's immature blaad! Especially when you consistently end up with egg on your face!

elampiro:
Lekkie073 didn't do comprehension in school and DopeJemi went to adult education, so I can't kill myself for their inability to comprehend.

You want to start what you will end with "you no know ball" abi?

funlord:



So you also believe some of the hogwash your man has spit like rooneys poor performances were down to him having a curved spine? Is that the kind of analogy you want someone like me to use as a basis for any sort of soccer discourse? And why is it that when you are cornered rather than answer a direct question you either keep quiet or ask a question that does not co relate with the point you can't prove? Is that what you term as being "cunny"?

Coogar was always on his case because of the ridiculousness of most of his posts....but well coogar had enough time to engage him due to his line of work with arif....I don't have that sort of time to waste....i don't get credit alerts for posting epistles, skewed logic or engaging in twisting history...I prefer to hustle hard rather than engaging in the types of arguments that I left behind in SS1.....let's call a spade a spade and not a fork abeg...


Who makes statements like " I am the king of facts or I am never wrong" on a public forum if not people who are trying too hard to seem smart? It's immature blad! Especially when you consistently end up with egg on your face!

You don't know what you are saying. Coogar and I didn't just write epistles. We brought a lot of football materials to back our claims in a very deep ways. Many things came to the fore.

If I said I am king of fact, why e dey pain you? Coogar made bigger claims. He called himself soccer god. He said that and many more in this public forum. So cool down.

Jose Mourinho should pls start Luke Shaw against Basel. I really wanna see him play, coz I've not lost complete faith in his Talents.

I'm kinda still believing he's gonna be back stronger for the Team. The Lad just needs run of Matches to get fitter and smarter!

elampiro:




If I said I am king of fact, why e dey pain you? Coogar made bigger claims. He called himself soccer god. He said that and many more in this public forum. So cool down.

so u have to copy coogar in order to boost ur village boy ego? u may have gone to school but I see u more like a person whose strength lies in d ability to giraffe in order to scale thru.

u better don't let oversabi kill u so dat ur moniker don't go the way of d same coogar u r modeling ur shapeless life.

raumdeuter:


Actually its the inability of people to read, reason contextually and apply understanding that is missing here. I can say I am rarely wrong because most of my opinions are always well thought out and backed up by necesary facts

I think elampiro is the same that is why most of you dont understand him, Maybe thats why he doesnt post as much nowadays because there are rarely intellectual football arguments based on facts anymore

When was the last time we saw an in-depth analysis like coogar vs elamps give us regularly here. To be honest there were lots of facts shared and you can learn a lot from it. Then the people who cant cope will complain that their arguments are too long, same way they complained about kagawa10. What do we have now? poorly researched opinions

Logic is malleable, its resilient and needs to be subjected to several tests. When you cannot cope with the twist and turns of logic then you naively term it amala turning.

If you tell some people A is for Apple and tomorrow say A is for Air. They will start shouting amala turning because they cant understand why A is no longer for Apple

who u go side if no be ur twin twixta

lekkie073:
so u have to copy coogar in order to boost ur village boy ego? u may have gone to school but I see u more like a person whose strength lies in d ability to giraffe in order to scale thru.

u better don't let oversabi kill u so dat ur moniker don't go the way of d same coogar u r modeling ur shapeless life.

I dey laugh like mumu for here. Buwahahahaha.