PastorAIO:
Lol!!

Add the reference to where I said the things that you are claiming, otherwise it is just more of your deceitful JW tactics

Yeah, see him equating Moses claims for inspiration to be same with his own writing.

Hence, he is implying that there is nothing special about Moses and the Books he wrote.

In other words, The First Five books of the Bible was not inspired any More than his personal (AIO inspirition).

He has same believe for the Bible in General, that the Bible is not inspired, talk less of saying that the Bible is inspired of Yahweh going by his stance.

Since 2008, how many has this Pastor, Pastor AIO turned to atheism?

PastorAIO:


Moses was a writer. I am a writer. Napoleon the great also wrote. So what?

Moses wrote the law. So what?
The book of Exodus etc which contained the law is not written by Moses. Why? Because these books report moses' death. Moses cannot write about what happened to his body when he died.
Perhaps moses' writings were inserted into the books but that doesn't make them written by Moses.
The fact that the book reports moses' death trumps anything you can say to prove moses wrote it.

PastorAIO:
Lol!!

Add the reference to where I said the things that you are claiming, otherwise it is just more of your deceitful JW tactics

Here again him trying to use a single chapter of the Bible that made mention of the death of Moses as evidence that the whole Torah was not written by Moses.

Such is the corrupted mind that wants to Expose JW here.

Why use false hood, deceit to attack the Bible? Dead conscience.

He had before then lied that the death of Moses was reported in the Book of Exodus.

He is struggling with all sort of deceit and trickery known to him to discredit the Bible.

Assuming it was not pointed to him that it is not Exodus that mentioned the death of Moses but Deuteronomy, He would have left such false hood on this thread and left and the unwary will be stumbled by it.

PastorAIO:



The point is simple. We know that Chapter34 was not written by Moses. Chapter 34 is part of the Torah. So therefore the Torah, at least in it's entirety, was not all written by moses. Some redaction has taken place and Chapter 34 is a glaring example of that.

PastorAIO:
Lol!!

Add the reference to where I said the things that you are claiming, otherwise it is just more of your deceitful JW tactics

This post is made by a Christian.

He was told that Yahweh commanded Moses to Write and relate this things to Joshua. If Joshua was also in the picture of the writings, why wont Joshua add the death of Moses?

But No, it does not serve his treachery, it has to be the way he wants it. That the Torah is fake.

Desperation of the highest order.

Just always coming online to deceive people.

PastorAIO:


You can research all you like, but once you can admit that Chapter 34 was not written by moses, and chapter 34 is a part of the torah, then it follows that the Torah, in it's entirety, was not written by Moses.

Very simple, really. And it's not a matter of opinion, it is a glaring fact.

This is is the deceit he is employing, to use Hebrews to deceive people like me that does not understand Hebrew language, even at that, habrews was a written language with consonants and no vowels. Thousands of yeahs later, pastor AIO is now using it to make Argument with me, on top of that, he lies with the language i even understand - English. How then should one trust him to not manipulate this his hebrews and Greek?

Fraudulent fellow.

PastorAIO:


LOL!! Oboy, you funny o! Real comedy sketch.... I bow.

Are you looking for the Acronym in English?

Abeg what is the first letter of Ehyer in Hebrew Language. and what is the first letter of tetragrammaton YHWH.


Eh'yer = I am = אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה ( from Hayah הָיָה)

ה = He

The tetragrammaton is יְהוָ֞ה . Again the first letter is Yod. Followed by ה = He

And an acronym is not necessarily strictly only made up of the first letters.

The above post of yours validated the posted i made earlier that Your evil intent was thwarted hence your resorting to attack others on this thread:

PastorAIO:


I'm just getting started. I admit that I'm actually doing my ongoing investigations at the moment so it is a work in progress, however I can be updating you guys with new expositions as and when I discover it.

Sometimes it pays to take stuck of things, how did we get here on this thread that Pastor AIO is attacking JW?

What was and has been and is Pastor AIO stance and intent, what was his argument all this while on this thread before he decided to become internet collector man? What was his Argument before picking out JW as his stock in thread to attack?

The above question is what any discerning and reasonable person should find out to know the sort of person he is.

• His argument was to discredit that Moses did not write the Books that are assigned to him as the writer, that what is contained in the first five books of the Bible as we have it is Hogwash and scrappy Since according to him, it talked about Moses death. (ignoring that Joshua was always with him)

• That Yahweh claimed Cyrus to be his servant while he did not send or did anything for Cyrus, Implying that the Bible info about Cyrus is unreliable.


• That the name of Yahweh was never known by Adam other servants of God before Moses. Implying that Yahweh is a new God in the scene.

• That it is an error that the Bible was made available to all sorts of person to have access to, that it should have been left under the control of his likes and lots to use and manipulate people.


• That Moses was not inspired as in getting Messages from Yahweh. That Moses inspiration is just like his own inspiration to write a book. Implying that the claim for inspiration for Moses to have written Genesis and the other five books is hogwash. In all, that the bible is never inspired going by his argument.

• That the account of Genesis in creation is not Genuine since No one was there and Moses the supposed writer was never inspired by the Almighty.


• Since Yahweh was never known before he introduced himself to to Yahweh, He is not the almighty God, he claims.

• Claiming that Yahweh is just one of the Canaanites gods and nothing more.


• In all, his attack is geared towards the bible and Yahweh to disrepute them.
• NO WONDER HE HATES THE JW.

Meanwhile, Very well known to him, his effort and intent was quash on this thread and like a drowning person and headless snake whose body have been bruised, with severe anger, is looking for who to transfer his anger and frustrations on those who destroyed his plans here………….. He pounces on What so ever he can see before him, the one he can think of, is that Jman05 is a JW, hence he is attacking the group his narrow mind has told him is the source of the information that was used to neutralized him. Such is the Evil intent.

He had Initially started to attack @Muttleylaff, since he could not lay hands on what to attack him on, he is biting on the only object he can see, JW.

He never has the interest of the Bible, hence his reasons for attacking people on this thread.

I called this the last resort of a frustrated person. His fore bears had done worst than this anyway.

|He is a deceitful fellow, looking for more people to turned atheist.

Assuming the Likes of Jman05 and Muttleylaff did not refute his erroneous post on this thread, what would have became of some in-experience people reading? no wonder he is angry.

An evil man i tell you. he has been in this stuck in thread for only God knows how long.

PastorAIO:


What Truthislight and jman need is a Crisis of Conscience. Just like Raymond Franz.

Who's Raymond Franz? Ray Franz was a Jehovah's witness that rose to the point of becoming a member of the Governing Council. The Governing council is the handful of men that control the entire lives of all the JWs all over the world. Then his conscience pricked him and he exposed the organisation.


One thing that he said and can be witness clearly on this thread is that Their man made rules took precedence over the bible.

Of course this problem is not only the JWs. You can even find it with the pentecostals as has recently been exposed with this Tithing brouhaha whereby on realising that the bible doesn't support their tithing practice they are so quick to throw the bible in the gutter.

anyway, check out some of what Raymond Franz has to say:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeRnVdr6NbQ

Interesting...

This, as you have earlier said is one of the anger that propels you, that other denomination do not have access to the Bible the way they have it now.

Hence you attack them with every resort at your disposition.

Like you said below regarding your objectives:

"I would not go so far as to make it redundant but I set out my objective a while."

PastorAIO:



And now as for the redundancy of the bible .... I would not go so far as to make it redundant but I set out my objective a while.

1)This notion that the Bible is some special inspiration given by God and esteemed above every other inspiration in existence is crap.

I can get more spiritual edification from observing a painting or listening to a song than any biblical passage can offer.

2). I think it is utterly stupid to claim that the Truth, ultimate Truth, is embedded within a Text.

3) The elevation of the bible to some sort of 'constitution' of Christianity is effected purposely to detract away from the Authority of the church so the Protestant reformation can take place.

4) the substitution of reading the bible as the central Christian practice instead of the actual practice of its ethical and sacramental tenets is a cause of much irreligious activities.

5) I hate the spread of mendacity and extolling the bible as an historical and scientifically factual book is the highest peak of mendacity.


There's more. It let's digest that one first.

DO I NEED SAY MORE? YOU HAVE CROWN WHAT I WILL EVER WISH TO SAY WITH THE ABOVE POST, THAT YOU RESORTED TO LYING THAT YOU ARE INVESTIGATING THE JW IN THIS THREAD IS ONLY A COVER UP. IN FACT, THAT STATEMENT MAKES AND BRINGS YOU OUT AS THE HYPOCRITES THAT YOU ARE, SPEAKING WITH BOTH SIDES OF YOUR MOUTH.

So, all those not agreeing with your objective must be destroyed by you and your Lot right?

Sorry, you failed and will continue to fail just as you have been failing after all the killing during the inquisition period. Evil men

Please, go ahead and get more inspiration by looking at painting and leave people that wants to read the Bible alone.

STOP BEING A PAIN IN THE ASS.

Do you know what a contradiction is?

Look at these 2 statements:

A: my name is Yahweh, nobody knew this before

B: thousands of years before A people began to call on the name Yahweh.

Unless people can call on yahwehs name and yet not be aware of the name at the same time THEN. The two statements are contradictions.


And now as for the redundancy of the bible .... I would not go so far as to make it redundant but I set out my objective a while.

1)This notion that the Bible is some special inspiration given by God and esteemed above every other inspiration in existence is crap.

I can get more spiritual edification from observing a painting or listening to a song than any biblical passage can offer.

2). I think it is utterly stupid to claim that the Truth, ultimate Truth, is embedded within a Text.

3) The elevation of the bible to some sort of 'constitution' of Christianity is effected purposely to detract away from the Authority of the church so the Protestant reformation can take place.

4) the substitution of reading the bible as the central Christian practice instead of the actual practice of its ethical and sacramental tenets is a cause of much irreligious activities.

5) I hate the spread of mendacity and extolling the bible as an historical and scientifically factual book is the highest peak of mendacity.


There's more. It let's digest that one first.

I stand by everything I say here. This has always been my position.

We say that the 5 Books of Moses were written by Moses because Talmudic tradition tells us so. Yet the books of Moses were not Autographed. The last 8 verses of Deuteronomy give clear evidence that at least in it's entirety the Torah could not have been written by Moses. That is not to say that it could not contain Moses' writings.

It is stupid, I repeat, Stupid, to say that the truth is contained in a text when Texts are so subject to varying interpretations. This is further compounded by the fact that the text must first be translated from an ancient language. This give too much ample room for it to be manipulated by abusers and child molesters like Charles Taze Russell and his JW followers.

The evidence of such manipulations is clear even with the issues discussed in this thread like the meaning of Ego Eimi in english. Of course as Raymond Franz has pointed out after joining the elite governing body, Organisational policy takes precedence over the bible when they make their decisions. In fact they don't consult the bible.

That is called Hypocrisy. I say that I don't trust a text as an authoritative purveyor of Truth. Yet I read the bible and seek insights from it, as indeed I do with all that is around me, because I believe that the spirit can speak to me through anything.
You, JWs, on the other hand, claim to base everything on the bible but when you are investigated it is found that the bible does not even factor in your decision making processes from the top of your organisation. You don't do what you claim. That makes you a hypocrite and there was nothing that Jesus railed against more in his ministry than hypocrites like you.

this is what that Pedophile, Charles Taze Russell has to say about the Bible, compared to his own 'Scripture Studies'.


Sept. 15, 1910 issue of Watch Tower, p. 298, Russell writes: “Not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see also that if anyone lays the 'Scripture Studies' aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years – if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the 'Scripture Studies' with their references and not read a page of the Bible as such, he would be in the light at the end of two years, because he would have the light of the scriptures.”

He is saying that you'll get the truth in his own writing only, but if you read only the bible you'll be lost.

Yet you JWs have the gall to say that you hold the bible in high regard as written by God. Hypocrites. Parasites.

You now want to accuse me of not being a bible worshipper as if it is a new discovery when I'd always spoken openly about what the bible is to me. Hypocrites and parasites.

You mistranslate the bible in order to twist it to fit your man made ideas and then start to somersault and duck when I ask you a simple question about the meaning of Ego Eimi in english. Pedophiles and Lying Hypocrites!!

The world should be warned about you.


You claim bible in the presence of the world but deep inside you carry all sorts of unbiblical doctrines and twist and lie on the bible to accomodate your nasty pedophile doctrines.

he called her his little wife, but she said "I am not your wife." and he said "I will call you daughter, and a daughter has nearly all the privileges of a wife."

-Charles Russell and a girl, not his wife.

This is a transcript from the court case where Charles Russell was sued for divorce.

Q. I want you to tell us what your husband did in company with this woman Rose, in your presence and in your home.



A. In the first place I considered it--(objected to and witness was not permitted to finish.)



Q. Tell us what you saw and what he said was done.



A. One evening he spent the evening downstairs and our library and bedroom were next to each other upstairs on the second floor, and I spent the evening downstairs reading, and I went upstairs about 10 o'clock to my room, and I supposed that: he was either in the library or had retired, and when I went up there I found that he was in neither place, and I stepped out in the hall, and I found that he was in his night robe, sitting beside Miss Ball's bed and she was in bed. On other occasions I found him going in there and I found she called him in and said she wasn't well and wanted him in, and I objected to this, and I said that it was highly improper, and I said: "We have people about the house, and what kind of a name will be attached in this house if you do that sort of thing?" and he got angry.



Pastor's Wife Tells of His Alleged Nightly Visits



Q. You state that you found him doing this at other times. How often after that?



A. I found him a number of times; I don't remember how often.



Q. In her room?



A. Yes, sir. And I found him in the servant girl's room as well. and I found him locked in the servant girl's room.



Q. Did he make any explanation why he was in the girl's room?



A. No. He did not; he just got angry.



Q. What did you say to him about this conduct and what did he say.



A. I said to him, "We have a great work on our hands," and I said, "In this work you and I have to walk very circumspectly before the world and if you are going to do things like this, what will happen? Suppose you are all right, don't you suppose people will talk about things like this?" and I said, "I am not satisfied with it," and he said he wasn't going to be ruled by me. But I felt distressed about that.



Q. What did Rose do at the Watch Tower.



A. She attended to the correspondence.



Q. Where was her desk with reference to the desk of Mr. Russell of the Watch Tower Society?



A. It wasn't near his; it was in the office.



Q. When would he go to theWatch Tower, in the morning?



A. I don't remember; he generally went down alone.



Q. Who would return with him?



A. She came with him in the evening and they came about 11 o'clock and the young men that were in the office -- she was the only girl, and the young men would go home, and he wouldn't allow her to go home with them, and she must wait and always go with him.



(Objected to.) Q. I want the mere fact, did this girl Rose go home with your husband?



A. Yes, Sir.



Q. What year was that?



A. In the fall of 1894. (By Mr. Porter, attorney for the plaintiff.)



Q. Did you state to your husband at this meeting any endearing terms?



A. Yes, sir.



Q. What were they?



A. I said "She tells me that one evening you came home --" I asked her when did these things occur. I said to him, "She says they occurred down at the office when she stayed down there with him in the evening after the rest had gone, and at home at any time when I wasn't around."



Q. Now, about the endearing terms?



A. She said one evening when she came home with him, just as she got inside the hall, it was late in the evening, about 11 o'clock, he put his arms around her and kissed her. This was in the vestibule before they entered the hall, and he called her his little wife, but she said "I am not your wife." and he said "I will call you daughter, and a daughter has nearly all the privileges of a wife."



Q. What other terms were used?



A. Then he said, "I am like a jellyfish. I float around here and there. I touch this one and that one, and if she responds I take her to me, and if not, I float on to others"; and she wrote that out so that I could remember it for sure when I would speak to him about it. And he confessed that he said those things.



Q. And the young men came home ahead of them?



A. Yes, sir.



Q. State to the court and jury what talk, if any, you had with this girl Rose, in regard to her relations with your husband, which you communicated to your husband?



This question was objected to and it was changed to read as follows: Q. You are to tell what you stated to your husband that Rose had said and his reply to you.



Mrs. Russell Says Girl Told Her of Pastor's Caresses.



A. I told him that I had learned something that was very serious and I didn't tell him right away. I let a day elapse until I felt I had control of myself and could talk and then I told him that I had something very serious to tell him about this matter, and he said, "What is it?" and I said, "Rose has told me that you have been intimate with her, that you have been in the habit of hugging and kissing her and having her sit on your knee and handling each other, and she tells me you bid her under no account to tell me, but she couldn't keep it any longer. She said if I was distressed about it she felt that she would have to come and make a confession to me, and she has done that. (By the court.)



Q. What did he say?



A. He tried to make light of it at first and I said, "Husband, you can't do that. I know the whole thing. She has told me straight and I know it to be true." Well, he said he was sorry; it was true, but he was sorry. He said he didn't mean any harm. I said, "I don't see how you could do an act like that without meaning harm."

My words are consistent with someone who does not take the bible to be Infallible.


Truthislight, and all JWs, your words and acts are not consistent with someone who claims that the bible is infallible.

truthislight:


Take it up with JW Ogas according to you and leave Nairalanders alone on speaking Hebrews, I did not need to know Hebrew Language before using King James Bible

Is that a new condition before i read any translation i like?

You will come here dey blow Hebrew for us instead of going to the Bible translators to quarry them you come dey disturb us for Nairaland with Hebrew Language.

If you have not been faithful on what is least like accepting what you have posted before on a language i can even read, why should i trust you sef on your Hebrew Language in a language i don't even understand?

What we need is to discuss Christian doctrine not to show up that we can speak Hebrew and Greek Language with a wicked heart.

During the trial which took place the following year, Ross’s defense attorney asked Russell if he knew the Greek alphabet. Russell’s reply was “Oh, yes.” When further asked to identify the Greek letters at the top of a page of the Greek Testament handed him, he was unable to do so, finally admitting that he knew nothing of the Greek alphabet. Furthermore, Russell had previously claimed to have been ordained by a recognized religious body. The defense also pressed him on this issue, finally asking point blank: “Now, you never were ordained by a bishop, clergyman, presbytery, council, or any body of men living?” Russell’s answer, after a long pause was, “I never was.”



Since you don't know greek and even your Lord and God, Charles Russell, doesn't know greek, then how do you know that the bible translation he gave you is accurate and not a falsehood. The JW bible claims to be based on the work of Prof. Julius Mantey a greek scholar. But what does Mantey himself say. He was so incensed that he actually wrote to WatchTower to complain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnLHvmeNYq4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s69sc6o4qXA


Mantey's letter to WatchTower:

Dear Sirs:

I have a copy of your letterr addressed to Caris in Santa Ana, California, and I am writing to express my disagrement with statemetns made in that letter, as well as in quotations you have made from the Dana-Mantey Grek Grammar.

(1) Your statement: "their work allows for the rendering found in the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures at John 1:1," There is no statement in our grammare that was ever meant to imply that "a god" was a permissible translation in John 1:1.

A. We had no "rule" to argue in support of the trinity.

B. Neither did we state that we did have such intention. We were simply delineating the facts inherent in Biblical language.

C. You quotation from p. 148 (3) was a paragraph under the heading: "With the subject in a Copulative Sentence." Two examples occur here to illustrate that "the article points out the subject in these examples." But we made no statement in this paragraph about the predicate except that, "as it stands the other persons of the trinity may be implied ;in theos." And isn't that the oposite of what your translation "a god" infers? You quoted me out of context. On pages 139 and 140 (VI) in our grammar we stated: "without the article, theos signifies divine essence...'htheos en ho logos' emphasises Christ's participation in the essence of the divine nature." Our interpretation is in agreement with that in NEB and TED: "What God was, the Word was"; and with that of Barclay: "The nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God," which you quoted in you letter to Caris.

(2) Since Colwell's and Hasner's article in JBL, especially that of Harner, it is neither scholarly nor reasonable to translate John 1:1 "The Word was a god." Word-order has made obsolete and incorrect such a rendering.

(3) Your quotation of Colewell's rule is inadequate because it quotes only a part of his findings. You did not quote this strong assertion: "A predicate nominative which precedes the verb cannot be translated as an indefinate or a 'qualitative' noun solely because of the absence of the article."

(4) Prof. Harner, Vol 92:1 in JBL, has gone beyond Colwell's research and has discovered that anathrous predicate nouns preceding the verb function primarily to express the nature or character of the subject. He found this true in 53 passages in the Gospel of John and 8 in the Gospel of Mark. Both scholars wrote that when indefiniteness was intended that gospel writers regularly placed the predicate noun after the verb, and both Colwell and Harner have stated that theos in John 1:1 is not indefinite and should not be transated "a god." Watchtower writers appear to be the only ones advocating such a translation now. The evidence appears to be 99% against them.

(5) Your statement in your letter that the sacred text itself should guide one and "not just someone's rulebook." We agree with you. But our study proves that Jehovah's Witnesses do the opposite of that whenever the "sacred text" differs with their heretical beliefs. For example the translation of kolasis as cutting off when punishment is the only meaning cited in the lexicons for it. The mistranslation of ego eimi as "I have been" in John 8:58, the addition of "for all time" in Heb. 9:27 when nothing in the Greek New Testament support is. The attempt to belittle Christ by mistranslating arche tes kriseos "beginning of the creation" when he is magnified as the "creator of all things" (John 1:2) and as "equal with God" (Phil. 2:6) before he humbled himself and lived a human body on earth. Your quotation of "The father is greater than I am, (John 14:28) to prove that Jesus was not equal to God overlooks the fact stated in Phil 2:6-8. When Jesus said that he was still in his voluntary state of humilation. That state ended when he assended to heaven. Why the attempt to deliberately deceive people by mispunctuation by placing a comma after "today" in Luke 23:43 when in the Greek, Latin, German and all English translations except yours, even in the Greek in you KIT, the comma occurs after lego (Isay) - "Today you will be with me in Paradise." 2 Cor 5:8, "to be out of the body and at home with the Lord." These passages teach that the redeemed go immediately to heaven after death, which does not agree with your teachings that death ends all life until the resurrection. (Ps. 23:6 and Heb 1:10)

The afore mentioned are only a few examples of Watchtower mistranslations and pervisions of Gods Word.

In view of the preceding facts, especially because you have been quoting me out of context, I herewith request you not to quote the Manual Grammare of the Greek New Testament again, which you have been doing for 24 years. Also that you not quote it or me in any of your publications from this time on. Also that you publicy and immediately apologize in the Watchtower magazine, since my words had no relevance to the absence of the article before theos in John 1:1. And please write to Caris and state that you misused and misquoted my "rule."

On the page before the preface in the grammar are these words: "All rights reserved - no part of this book may be reproduced in any form without permission in writing from the publisher."

If you have such permission, please send me a photo-copy of it. If you do not heed these requests you will suffer the consequences.

Regretfully yours, Julius R. Mantey

Attempting to launder Your Vomit right?

No, Be man enough to own up to tham and say it is your stand always. Don't always wish to appear as a sheep when in actual you a a ware Wolf.

PastorAIO:



I stand by everything I say here. This has always been my position.

We say that the 5 Books of Moses were written by Moses because Talmudic tradition tells us so. Yet the books of Moses were not Autographed. The last 8 verses of Deuteronomy give clear evidence that at least in it's entirety the Torah could not have been written by Moses. That is not to say that it could not contain Moses' writings.

At least we are making improvements, now you are saying that "Moses may have written something in the Torah" and not just that it is fake and you have not told us yet if your inspiration is still at same level with that of Moses.

PastorAIO:

It is stupid, I repeat, Stupid, to say that the truth is contained in a text when Texts are so subject to varying interpretations. This is further compounded by the fact that the text must first be translated from an ancient language. This give too much ample room for it to be manipulated by abusers and child molesters like Charles Taze Russell and his JW followers.

Yeah right!

Like the teaching of Purgatory is because the truth is contained in a text.
Hypocrite! tell us, even if it is written down in black and white and your lot in an effort to extort still could pull out purgatory from your Hat to give to the people, how would the situation have been going by your penchant for lying as it has become obvious in this thread?

Would you not have sold all of mankind for piece of Bread?

Less i forget, how do humans best preserve information before this age? Is it to commit it to memory or, is it not by writing it down? Would it have remain the same if it has been left in the brains and mind of mortals? Don't you have your certificate and Deeds of divers kind in black and white? when did it become old fashion to put information down in black and white?

Well, Yahweh told Moses and Joshua to put his words down in writing, and there is nothing you can do about that. Truth be told, your agitation is too late, the Bible has been translated into over 3000 languages in full or in parts.

Besides, that people carried the name of Yahweh in their head what became of the Pronunciation of the name of Yahweh? Did people not forget it?

Your missing the era that you people were killing people for having the bible, it is two late. Yahweh wants the Bible to be in writing and it is in writing, all the effort you people put in to destroy fail, that shows that Yahweh is far and above you people. call Yahweh tribal God or whatever, it is your headache and your pain. His book the Bible has gone all over the world and over 90% of the world population has it today.

If the Bible was left in the Brains of Church fathers as traditions, only the rich would have been the only ones that can afford to pay to go to Heaven.

Even with the Bible, GO's are collecting Tithes for people to be save.

PastorAIO:

The evidence of such manipulations is clear even with the issues discussed in this thread like the meaning of Ego Eimi in english.

You want me that have never heard Hebrews before to start arguing Hebrews with you , FRAUD
Why not go to the experts that you could not deceive?

Your come to Nairaland to do local champion and deceive the unwary see 419.

PastorAIO:

I say that I don't trust a text as an authoritative purveyor of Truth. Yet I read the bible and seek insights from it, as indeed I do with all that is around me,

Then allow others that trust it to read it, It is not your Inheritance, It came with the Jews, even the Jews are not hating like the way you and your lots are hating people for it. Mind your business. I can read the Bible as i want and there is nothing you can do about it. Sorry.

If your lot have been following the Bible and not reading it as a literature, you would not have this much hates and all the killing carried out by your Lots, Orthodox killings would not have taken place. the JW you are attacking have you ever head that they are killing people or have ever killed like you and your Church fathers. Leave hatred so that you can have peace and sleep well.

The suffering of hatred has gotten to you on this thread, at this rate, you may develop HBP.

PastorAIO:
this is what that Pedophile, Charles Taze Russell has to say about the Bible, compared to his own 'Scripture Studies'.


Sept. 15, 1910 issue of Watch Tower, p. 298, Russell writes: “Not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see also that if anyone lays the 'Scripture Studies' aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years – if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the 'Scripture Studies' with their references and not read a page of the Bible as such, he would be in the light at the end of two years, because he would have the light of the scriptures.”

He is saying that you'll get the truth in his own writing only, but if you read only the bible you'll be lost.

Yet you JWs have the gall to say that you hold the bible in high regard as written by God. Hypocrites. Parasites.

You now want to accuse me of not being a bible worshipper as if it is a new discovery when I'd always spoken openly about what the bible is to me. Hypocrites and parasites.

You mistranslate the bible in order to twist it to fit your man made ideas and then start to somersault and duck when I ask you a simple question about the meaning of Ego Eimi in english. Pedophiles and Lying Hypocrites!!

The world should be warned about you.


You claim bible in the presence of the world but deep inside you carry all sorts of unbiblical doctrines and twist and lie on the bible to accomodate your nasty pedophile doctrines.

If you had not hated the Bible i would not have slept on this thread like am doing.

If someone say the bible should not be red, say it out and i will support you anytime any day. It is because people are not reading their Bible that Tithing is become the reproach it is today.

But you I know hates the Bible, If you change just now and not hate the Bible you will be my best friend just Now.

Humans should read the Bible, that is my stand anytime any day.

And that your deceitful Hebrew is abhorrent to me right now, not when the Bible has been translated to all languages. Are you implying that those that cannot speak Hebrews Can not Read the Bible and understand it to have everlasting life?

Of what use is the bringing up of Hebrews serving? To win argument. LOL. Deceitful man always pulling out cats from his hat and Ass.

truthislight:
Attempting to launder Your Vomit right?

No, Be man enough to own up to tham and say it is your stand always. Don't always wish to appear as a sheep when in actual you a a ware Wolf.

I don't know where you find all these your straw men that you're attacking.

At least we are making improvements, now you are saying that "Moses may have written something in the Torah" and not just that it is fake and you have not told us yet if your inspiration is still at same level with that of Moses.

What has the level of my inspiration got to do with anything? Did Moses write the last 8 verses of Deuteronomy? If you can answer that then you'll have no need to go on again about Moses' authorship of the Torah.

Yeah right!

Like the teaching of Purgatory is because the truth is contained in a text.
Hypocrite! tell us, even if it is written down in black and white and your lot in an effort to extort still could pull out purgatory from your Hat to give to the people, how would the situation have been going by your penchant for lying as it has become obvious in this thread?

Would you not have sold all of mankind for piece of Bread?

Are you so desperate that all you can attack is one straw man after another? Straw can't feel anything so you are only compounding your frustration. Take purgatory matter to those you heard about purgatory from.

Less i forget, how do humans best preserve information before this age? Is it to commit it to memory or, is it not by writing it down? Would it have remain the same if it has been left in the brains and mind of mortals? Don't you have your certificate and Deeds of divers kind in black and white? when did it become old fashion to put information down in black and white?

Well, Yahweh told Moses and Joshua to put his words down in writing, and there is nothing you can do about that. Truth be told, your agitation is too late, the Bible has been translated into over 3000 languages in full or in parts.

More straw.

Besides, that people carried the name of Yahweh in their head what became of the Pronunciation of the name of Yahweh? Did people not forget it?

If they didn't forget it then how come you don't know it. Why can't you just go and ask them since they kept it for you?

Your missing the era that you people were killing people for having the bible, it is two late. Yahweh wants the Bible to be in writing and it is in writing, all the effort you people put in to destroy fail, that shows that Yahweh is far and above you people. call Yahweh tribal God or whatever, it is your headache and your pain. His book the Bible has gone all over the world and over 90% of the world population has it today.

The bible is all over the world no thanks to distorters and mistranslators like your JW ogas who have got you so brainwashed and filled with terror.
Fake NWT peddler.

If the Bible was left in the Brains of Church fathers as traditions, only the rich would have been the only ones that can afford to pay to go to Heaven.

Even with the Bible, GO's are collecting Tithes for people to be save.

And yet more Straw. Why don't you go to the pentecostals and the Church Fathers to table your complaints? Did you see me collecting tithes, or are you so discombobulated now that you don't know who you are seeking to attack anymore so you are just lashing about attacking everyone and everything. Look, this is me, I'm here. My words are here on NL. If you want to attack me, come this way.

You want me that have never heard Hebrews before to start arguing Hebrews with you , FRAUD
Why not go to the experts that you could not deceive?

Your come to Nairaland to do local champion and deceive the unwary see 419.

Don't shoot the messenger. I am only a messenger. The Greek scholars, people like Mantey, whom your ogas in deception like to quote, have warned you to stop twisting their scholarship and to even stop mentioning their names and quoting their books. If you want lessons in Hebrew and Greek then go to these people, Mantey and Metzger etc. Don't come and attack me. I'm just sharing the information that they are appalled by you and your JW ogas. Lying scheming deceivers.

Then allow others that trust it to read it, It is not your Inheritance, It came with the Jews, even the Jews are not hating like the way you and your lots are hating people for it. Mind your business. I can read the Bible as i want and there is nothing you can do about it. Sorry.

If your lot have been following the Bible and not reading it as a literature, you would not have this much hates and all the killing carried out by your Lots, Orthodox killings would not have taken place. the JW you are attacking have you ever head that they are killing people or have ever killed like you and your Church fathers. Leave hatred so that you can have peace and sleep well.

The suffering of hatred has gotten to you on this thread, at this rate, you may develop HBP.

You can read the bible, in fact I advise it. but not the lying deceptive NWT bible that has been twisted to fit your nasty ideologies. By the way when is the next date appointed for the end of the world. You seem to keep getting it wrong. Have you got it right this time?

I heard that you didn't even derive the date from the bible but from the Giza pyramid in Egypt. Is that true?

PastorAIO:
My words are consistent with someone who does not take the bible to be Infallible.


Truthislight, and all JWs, your words and acts are not consistent with someone who claims that the bible is infallible.

Can you open the Bible and show me were my word is not consistent?

If you cannot show me where my words are not consistent like yours, You will ever keep silent when honest people are talking.

In your own instances, I have shown you many of your deceit and lying, beg you to show me one of mine.

I already know that you cannot show it, you are only a liar that brings off things i cannot relate with and Yahweh knows to post. Stuff like 1910. Such is what you post and mention my name to it and wants me to take you seriously.

Charity begins at home, and this thread is home enough to show who is deceitful.

I have beyond all reasonable doubt showed just from this thread that you are a fraud fronting as a Sheep to derail the unwary that had loved the Bible. Hence you have no moral compass to start defending the Bible.

Kudos to @Jman05 and @Muttleylaff that Put you at the right place.

Where are you bring Tithe from? I thought you wanted to stay on topic.

Anyway sha..., answer me this...

Why did your Arch Satanic Oga claim to know ancient Greek when he did not? Why did Charles Russell Lie and try to deceive a jury about his knowledge of ancient greek which was in fact non-existent.

truthislight:


If you had not hated the Bible i would not have slept on this thread like am doing.

If someone say the bible should not be red, say it out and i will support you anytime any day. It is because people are not reading their Bible that Tithing is become the reproach it is today.

But you I know hates the Bible, If you chage just now and not hate the Bible you will be my best friend just Now.

Humans should read the Bible, that is my stand anytime any day.

And that your deceitful Hebrew is abhorrent to me right now, not when the Bible has been translated to all languages. Are you implying that those that cannot speak Hebrews Can not Read the Bible and un derstand it to have everlasting life?

You were not consistent with the bible when you said the world would end in 1914, then in 1918, then 1925 and then some other dates and then 1975 etc. What does the bible actually say?

Matthew 24
36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,[a] but the Father only.

truthislight:


Can you open the Bible and show me were my word is not consistent?

If you cannot show me where my words are not consistent like yours, You will ever keep silent when honest people are talking.

In your own instances, if have shown you many of your deceit and lying, beg you to show me one of mine.

I already know that you cannot show it, you are only a liar that brings off things i cannot relate with and Yahweh knows to post. Stuff like 1910. Such is what you post and mention my name to it and wants me to take you seriously.

Charity begins at home, and this thread is home enough to show who is deceitful.

I have beyond all reasonable doubt showed just from this thread that you are a fraud fronting as a Sheep to derail the unwary that had loved the Bible. Hence you have no moral compass to start defending the Bible.

Kudos to @Jman05 and @Muttleylaff that Put you at the right place.

PastorAIO:


I don't know where you find all these your straw men that you're attacking.



What has the level of my inspiration got to do with anything? Did Moses write the last 8 verses of Deuteronomy? If you can answer that then you'll have no need to go on again about Moses' authorship of the Torah.





Are you so desperate that all you can attack is one straw man after another? Straw can't feel anything so you are only compounding your frustration. Take purgatory matter to those you heard about purgatory from.



More straw.




If they didn't forget it then how come you don't know it. Why can't you just go and ask them since they kept it for you?



The bible is all over the world no thanks to distorters and mistranslators like your JW ogas who have got you so brainwashed and filled with terror.
Fake NWT peddler.



And yet more Straw. Why don't you go to the pentecostals and the Church Fathers to table your complaints? Did you see me collecting tithes, or are you so discombobulated now that you don't know who you are seeking to attack anymore so you are just lashing about attacking everyone and everything. Look, this is me, I'm here. My words are here on NL. If you want to attack me, come this way.



Don't shoot the messenger. I am only a messenger. The Greek scholars, people like Mantey, whom your ogas in deception like to quote, have warned you to stop twisting their scholarship and to even stop mentioning their names and quoting their books. If you want lessons in Hebrew and Greek then go to these people, Mantey and Metzger etc. Don't come and attack me. I'm just sharing the information that they are appalled by you and your JW ogas. Lying scheming deceivers.





You can read the bible, in fact I advise it. but not the lying deceptive NWT bible that has been twisted to fit your nasty ideologies.

You see your life?

You just Denied that you never asked us to read and explain Hebrews. You can lie o. Lying is in your nature.

You have been running around this thread with Eyhagbnjsjsjajajaja Whatever Hebrew word asking Jman05 and me to speak Hebrew by fire by force and you can still keep a straight face to say you never did that you just a messenger. You just can't help it, can you?

It is a big pity that am beginning to pity you. You are a compulsive liar and deceitful human.

So you have never ask us to speak Hebrew here right? Lol. You dong lose o.

Do you realise that what you call that 'whatever hebrew' is the name of God? So if you are distancing yourself from Hebrews why must you carry their deity and their holy book on your head only to end up insulting it by calling it 'whatever hebrew'

truthislight:





You see your life?

You just Denied that you never asked us to read and explain Hebrews. You can lie o. Lying is in your nature.

You have been running around this thread with Eyhagbnjsjsjajajaja Whatever Hebrew word asking Jman05 and me to speak Hebrew by fire by force and you can still keep a straight face to say you never did. You just can't help it, can you?

It is a big pity that am beginning to pity you. You are a compulsive liar and deceitful human.

So you have never ask us to speak Hebrew here right? Lol. You dong lose o.

PastorAIO:
You were not consistent with the bible when you said the world would end in 1914, then in 1918, then 1925 and then some other dates and then 1975 etc. What does the bible actually say?

Matthew 24
36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,[a] but the Father only.

Lol

Where is your right hand man youguyz, he started out like you and became a nonentity. Why not invite him to help you?

Am only surprised at what deceit and hate can do to an otherwise useful mind. Waste it. A mind is too much a beautiful thing to be wasted........... How can i help you right now?

Ok, Leave evil and start doing good and it shall be well with you. happy now? be a good boy and run along now to your master Youguyz. he started it before you since you said you are just starting.

Youguyz actually turned out to be Gay and crooked like you, but you, you have so much potential, It will be a big waste if instead of sharing knowledge you descend to this cesspit.

truthislight:


Lol

Where is your right hand man youguyz, he started out like you and became a nonentity. Why not invite him to help you?

Am only surprised at what deceit and hate can do to an otherwise useful mind. Waste it. A mind is too much a beautiful thing to be wasted........... How can i help you right now?

Ok, Leave evil and start doing good and it shall be well with you. happy now? be a good boy and run along now to your master Youguyz. he started it before you since you said you are just starting.

Youguyz actually turned out to be Gay and crooked like you, but you, you have so much potential, It will be a big waste if instead of sharing knowledge you descend to this cesspit.

Here is another one. You said that Jesus came at some date in the 18something something but he was invisible. Then you said actually he came in 1914 but was invisible so no one saw him.

This is what the bible says:

23Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25See, I have told you beforehand. 26So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Matthew 24

The bible said when he comes all the nations of the earth will see him.

Your people said he was invisible and that is why no one saw him.

truthislight:


Lol

Where is your right hand man youguyz, he started out like you and became a nonentity. Why not invite him to help you?

Am only surprised at what deceit and hate can do to an otherwise useful mind. Waste it. A mind is too much a beautiful thing to be wasted........... How can i help you right now?

Ok, Leave evil and start doing good and it shall be well with you. happy now? be a good boy and run along now to your master Youguyz. he started it before you since you said you are just starting.

Youguyz actually turned out to be Gay and crooked like you, but you, you have so much potential, It will be a big waste if instead of sharing knowledge you descend to this cesspit.

Here is another one. You said that Jesus came at some date in the 18something something but he was invisible. Then you said actually he came in 1914 but was invisible so no one saw him.

This is what the bible says:

23Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25See, I have told you beforehand. 26So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Matthew 24

The bible said when he comes all the nations of the earth will see him.

Your people said he was invisible and that is why no one saw him.

PastorAIO:

Do you realise that what you call that 'whatever hebrew' is the name of God? So if you are distancing yourself from Hebrews why must you carry their deity and their holy book on your head only to end up insulting it by calling it 'whatever hebrew'

Choi! Jesus Christ! this Pastor will cause me to sin. I will not knowing insult my life giver, if i ever did, even unknowingly, i regrate it.

You see, this is what i have been saying when you started with this language i don't even know come in it, it will get person into trouble. Lol.

Guy, take time o.

That is why i said you should take your Hebrew and go far. SMH.
But we cannot speak Hebrew leave us alone.

When Jesus said that his msg will get to all part of the world for people to be save he never attached a condition of knowing hebrews to it, hence, i don't need to learn or know Hebrews language.

If i can learn Hebrew language because i can, what becomes of all the illiterate villagers all over the world? will they never be save?

Leave me alone joore with your Hebrew.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40704990

For some former Jehovah's Witnesses, leaving the faith is not just the mark of losing your religion - it can also mean losing your loved ones. In many cases, friends and family are told to cut all ties with ex-believers, leaving them isolated and sometimes suicidal.

"I don't speak to any of my family," Sarah - not her real name - tells the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme.

"Because of being 'disfellowshipped', I can have no contact."

Last year, Sarah - in her 20s - was excluded by the Jehovah's Witnesses in a process known as "disfellowshipping", she says sparked by her refusal to live in an abusive relationship.

She claims her partner at the time had been violent towards her, at one stage leaving her with broken ribs.

'Remove the wicked'

Going to the police - and involving those from outside the religion - is heavily discouraged by Jehovah's Witnesses, she says, claiming that elders within the faith refused to punish her ex-partner's behaviour.

It was only when work colleagues noticed the bruising, and convinced her not to put up with the abuse, that she says she fled the relationship.

Sarah claims she was consequently disfellowshipped by the religion, and that her friends and family cut all ties with her.

This is because Jehovah's Witnesses believe those outside the religion can be of detriment to their faith.

In a statement the religious group told the BBC: "If a baptised Witness makes a practice of breaking the Bible's moral code, and does not given evidence of stopping the practice, he or she will be shunned or disfellowshipped.

"When it comes to shunning, Witnesses take their instructions from the Bible and on this subject the Bible clearly states, 'Remove the wicked man from amongst yourselves.'"

The night she was disfellowshipped, Sarah says her mother refused to talk to her. Her father woke her up at 07:00 to kick her out of their home.

Responding to Sarah's claims, the Jehovah's Witnesses said that while it could not comment on individual cases, "violence, whether physical or emotional, is strongly condemned in the Bible and has no place in a Christian family".

For some former Jehovah's Witnesses, leaving the faith is not just the mark of losing your religion - it can also mean losing your loved ones. In many cases, friends and family are told to cut all ties with ex-believers, leaving them isolated and sometimes suicidal.

"I don't speak to any of my family," Sarah - not her real name - tells the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme.

"Because of being 'disfellowshipped', I can have no contact."

Last year, Sarah - in her 20s - was excluded by the Jehovah's Witnesses in a process known as "disfellowshipping", she says sparked by her refusal to live in an abusive relationship.

She claims her partner at the time had been violent towards her, at one stage leaving her with broken ribs.

'Remove the wicked'

Going to the police - and involving those from outside the religion - is heavily discouraged by Jehovah's Witnesses, she says, claiming that elders within the faith refused to punish her ex-partner's behaviour.

It was only when work colleagues noticed the bruising, and convinced her not to put up with the abuse, that she says she fled the relationship.

Sarah claims she was consequently disfellowshipped by the religion, and that her friends and family cut all ties with her.

This is because Jehovah's Witnesses believe those outside the religion can be of detriment to their faith.

In a statement the religious group told the BBC: "If a baptised Witness makes a practice of breaking the Bible's moral code, and does not given evidence of stopping the practice, he or she will be shunned or disfellowshipped.

"When it comes to shunning, Witnesses take their instructions from the Bible and on this subject the Bible clearly states, 'Remove the wicked man from amongst yourselves.'"

The night she was disfellowshipped, Sarah says her mother refused to talk to her. Her father woke her up at 07:00 to kick her out of their home.

Responding to Sarah's claims, the Jehovah's Witnesses said that while it could not comment on individual cases, "violence, whether physical or emotional, is strongly condemned in the Bible and has no place in a Christian family".

It makes sense that even if a JW agrees with you in his heart he will be too terrify to say so openly if it goes against what he's been told to believe and profess because the emotional cost is too hefty.
JWs are afraid to admit the truth because it will mean losing all their friends and their family. Since they have no emotional connections with anyone outside the organisation being disfellowshopped means losing everything.

The behaviour of JWs on the thread becomes clear. You can't really blame them or reproach them. You ought instead to feel sorry for them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40704990


John - not his real name - became a Jehovah's Witness as a young child when his parents decided to join the religious group.
But two years ago, he was disfellowshipped after he missed a Jehovah's Witness memorial service - seen in the religion as an important event.
He had also begun to privately have doubts about some of the religion's teachings - questioning the faith's assertion that the end of the world is imminent, and that only 144,000 human beings will go to heaven.
His view on the religion was also tarnished after ones of his friends died, when a blood transfusion - which is not allowed in the faith - might have saved him.
"It was a waste of a life," he says.
John says he later discovered his wife had testified against him during the process that led to his disfellowship, which he believes placed a great strain on their relationship.
He left the family home - living temporarily in tents and caravans.
"It was a very isolating time. I didn't have anyone, I felt quite suicidal," he says.
He has now lost contact with his two adult children and siblings.
"Sometimes I send them a message saying, 'I love you, I'm still thinking of you.' But usually there's no response," he says.

SMH. Still grinding away at something other than the topic at hand are we?

PastorAIO:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40704990

For some former Jehovah's Witnesses, leaving the faith is not just the mark of losing your religion - it can also mean losing your loved ones. In many cases, friends and family are told to cut all ties with ex-believers, leaving them isolated and sometimes suicidal.

"I don't speak to any of my family," Sarah - not her real name - tells the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme.

"Because of being 'disfellowshipped', I can have no contact."

Last year, Sarah - in her 20s - was excluded by the Jehovah's Witnesses in a process known as "disfellowshipping", she says sparked by her refusal to live in an abusive relationship.

She claims her partner at the time had been violent towards her, at one stage leaving her with broken ribs.

'Remove the wicked'

Going to the police - and involving those from outside the religion - is heavily discouraged by Jehovah's Witnesses, she says, claiming that elders within the faith refused to punish her ex-partner's behaviour.

It was only when work colleagues noticed the bruising, and convinced her not to put up with the abuse, that she says she fled the relationship.

Sarah claims she was consequently disfellowshipped by the religion, and that her friends and family cut all ties with her.

This is because Jehovah's Witnesses believe those outside the religion can be of detriment to their faith.

In a statement the religious group told the BBC: "If a baptised Witness makes a practice of breaking the Bible's moral code, and does not given evidence of stopping the practice, he or she will be shunned or disfellowshipped.

"When it comes to shunning, Witnesses take their instructions from the Bible and on this subject the Bible clearly states, 'Remove the wicked man from amongst yourselves.'"

The night she was disfellowshipped, Sarah says her mother refused to talk to her. Her father woke her up at 07:00 to kick her out of their home.

Responding to Sarah's claims, the Jehovah's Witnesses said that while it could not comment on individual cases, "violence, whether physical or emotional, is strongly condemned in the Bible and has no place in a Christian family".

For some former Jehovah's Witnesses, leaving the faith is not just the mark of losing your religion - it can also mean losing your loved ones. In many cases, friends and family are told to cut all ties with ex-believers, leaving them isolated and sometimes suicidal.

"I don't speak to any of my family," Sarah - not her real name - tells the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme.

"Because of being 'disfellowshipped', I can have no contact."

Last year, Sarah - in her 20s - was excluded by the Jehovah's Witnesses in a process known as "disfellowshipping", she says sparked by her refusal to live in an abusive relationship.

She claims her partner at the time had been violent towards her, at one stage leaving her with broken ribs.

'Remove the wicked'

Going to the police - and involving those from outside the religion - is heavily discouraged by Jehovah's Witnesses, she says, claiming that elders within the faith refused to punish her ex-partner's behaviour.

It was only when work colleagues noticed the bruising, and convinced her not to put up with the abuse, that she says she fled the relationship.

Sarah claims she was consequently disfellowshipped by the religion, and that her friends and family cut all ties with her.

This is because Jehovah's Witnesses believe those outside the religion can be of detriment to their faith.

In a statement the religious group told the BBC: "If a baptised Witness makes a practice of breaking the Bible's moral code, and does not given evidence of stopping the practice, he or she will be shunned or disfellowshipped.

"When it comes to shunning, Witnesses take their instructions from the Bible and on this subject the Bible clearly states, 'Remove the wicked man from amongst yourselves.'"

The night she was disfellowshipped, Sarah says her mother refused to talk to her. Her father woke her up at 07:00 to kick her out of their home.

Responding to Sarah's claims, the Jehovah's Witnesses said that while it could not comment on individual cases, "violence, whether physical or emotional, is strongly condemned in the Bible and has no place in a Christian family".

Since both you and other members of different churches do not respect the bible command to cut association with an unrepentant sinner, it is not strange while you side the wrong part.

The question you need to be asking is: does the bible support disfellowshiping? To what extent ? For a start, read 1cor 5:1-11. Instead of attacking the organization, open your eyes to what the bible says, that is what the JWs believe.

It is wrong to comment on a case that you just heard just one aide of the story. Even in a law court, that isn't wise. You need to hear from those who judged the case, and also the husband too. Prov 18:13 "When anyone replies to a matter before he hears the facts,It is foolish and humiliating"

JMAN05:


Since both you and other members of different churches do not respect the bible command to cut association with an unrepentant sinner, it is not strange while you side the wrong part.

The question you need to be asking is: does the bible support disfellowshiping? To what extent ? For a start, read 1cor 5:1-11. Instead of attacking the organization, open your eyes to what the bible says, that is what the JWs believe.

It is wrong to comment on a case that you just heard just one aide of the story. Even in a law court, that isn't wise. You need to hear from those who judged the case, and also the husband too. Prov 18:13 "When anyone replies to a matter before he hears the facts,It is foolish and humiliating"

PastorAIO:
this is what that Pedophile, Charles Taze Russell has to say about the Bible, compared to his own 'Scripture Studies'.


Sept. 15, 1910 issue of Watch Tower, p. 298, Russell writes: “Not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see also that if anyone lays the 'Scripture Studies' aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years – if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the 'Scripture Studies' with their references and not read a page of the Bible as such, he would be in the light at the end of two years, because he would have the light of the scriptures.”

He is saying that you'll get the truth in his own writing only, but if you read only the bible you'll be lost.

Yet you JWs have the gall to say that you hold the bible in high regard as written by God. Hypocrites. Parasites.

You now want to accuse me of not being a bible worshipper as if it is a new discovery when I'd always spoken openly about what the bible is to me. Hypocrites and parasites.

You mistranslate the bible in order to twist it to fit your man made ideas and then start to somersault and duck when I ask you a simple question about the meaning of Ego Eimi in english. Pedophiles and Lying Hypocrites!!

The world should be warned about you.


You claim bible in the presence of the world but deep inside you carry all sorts of unbiblical doctrines and twist and lie on the bible to accomodate your nasty pedophile doctrines.

1Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives,
1 Peter 3


14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his believing wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.
1 Corinthians 7

Apart from the book of Ezra, there is nowhere in the bible where the breaking up of families is promoted as a doctrine.

Of course it is only to be expected that you'll twist the bible. The passage from which you draw support for the ghastly and nefarious acts of the JW cult actually refers to sexual immorality and dissociating from them. However like the example I presented showed, the woman was 'disfellowshipped' for being a victim of violent domestic abuse and complaining about it.

What a nasty cult!!

PastorAIO:





1Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives,
1 Peter 3


14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his believing wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.
1 Corinthians 7

Apart from the book of Ezra, there is nowhere in the bible where the breaking up of families is promoted as a doctrine.

Of course it is only to be expected that you'll twist the bible. The passage from which you draw support for the ghastly and nefarious acts of the JW cult actually refers to sexual immorality and dissociating from them. However like the example I presented showed, the woman was 'disfellowshipped' for being a victim of violent domestic abuse and complaining about it.

What a nasty cult!!

Do you have facts about the case? When was the case held? Who handled it, and what do they say with regards to the woman's claim?

To be fair, you would have to hear from both sides on how the case was handled, what was considered, what she said and witnesses supporting that that was what she said during the hearing before you can determine whether or not is was poorly handled. If you post issues from just one side, even the court of law will be against you. You are not being fair.

No one, I repeat no one, is ever or will ever be disfellowshiped for being a victim of domestic abuse according to the bible, and that can never be supported by the gov body of JWs. If you say that being a victim of domestic abuse and complaining about it would fetch one disfellowshiped among JWs, give me a publication of JWs that empowers elders to hand down such decision.

If ever you are disfellowshiped, it would have to be a serious sin you committed, not being a victim of an abuse. Can you guys be honest at least for once? Can you?

If adhering to bible standards is what you term "breaking families" , so be it, let that family break. Any wrongdoer has to face the music he played. God law says such one should be shown the way out. In ancient Israel, the mosaic law stated that such law breakers be STONED TO DEATH, not even disfellowshiped. They should be killed. You must be ready to obey Gods standards no matter how bad you fill about it. In Aaron's case, he would have preferred that his sons be disfellowshiped than for them to be killed by God himself. And he was sternly told not to weep for them. Was that difficult? Then if you are a law breaker among Gods people rejoice that you are still alive, otherwise, your sentence should be death.

No one however, is disfellowshiped for complaining he is being violently abused.

PastorAIO:





1Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives,
1 Peter 3


14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his believing wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.
1 Corinthians 7

Apart from the book of Ezra, there is nowhere in the bible where the breaking up of families is promoted as a doctrine.

Of course it is only to be expected that you'll twist the bible. The passage from which you draw support for the ghastly and nefarious acts of the JW cult actually refers to sexual immorality and dissociating from them. However like the example I presented showed, the woman was 'disfellowshipped' for being a victim of violent domestic abuse and complaining about it.

What a nasty cult!!

@PastorAIO: U are a LIAR. A very shameless one at that. No one, I repeat, No JW man or woman has ever been " disfellowshipped for being a victim of domestic violence & complaining about it". I know everything there is to know about JW in & out, & with 200% confidence, I affirm that U LIED, pastor of falsehood. U are NEVER forced to listen or accept JW's into ur home. But resist the itch to copy & paste falsehood & lies to malign Jehovah's name. Shalom