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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:55pm On Dec 08, 2017
Harry Kane beats Lukaku in all the defensive stats - Tackles, Interceptions, clearances. They drew in blocked shots

All Tottenham players beat Lukaku on defensive stats.

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:58pm On Dec 08, 2017
eph12:

Very simple! Those teams play better and create more chances.

Arsenal has created 207 chances, City and Liverpool 200, Chelsea 170 but United 149

What has chances created got to do with defensive stats?

These guys beat Lukaku in attacking and defensive stats per game. Even players who don't get 90 minutes.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Unlimited22: 10:59pm On Dec 08, 2017
It's funny how some who celebrated Lukaku's heralded arrival are now gnashing their teeth.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 11:02pm On Dec 08, 2017
elampiro:
Since beginning of the season, Lukaku has not made one single Interception.

On defensive stats, all Arsenal and City players beat Lukaku.
Not unexpected. Logically, teams that play high line are more likely to have their strikers make more interceptions unlike teams that stay back and isolate their striker. How is he gonna make interception in the midst of 3-4 players? Same with tackles.

When compared to Laca, Jesus, Aguero and Giroud in defensive work per mins:
Blocks - Lukaku is 1st
Clearances - 2nd behind Giroud, and dude is even 1st in aerial duels won. Lukaku is 2nd after Aguero according in defence score
elampiro:
All Liverpool players have higher defensive stats than Lukaku, except Salah. Lukaku beat Salah slightly on tackle while Salah beat him on Interception

Firmino has defensive stats of a defender. Very high

It is Klopp's style and he uses 3 upfront for this cos only a player cannot do it. Reason Jose is now using Lingard cos of Mhki laziness

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 11:07pm On Dec 08, 2017
eph12:

Very simple! Those teams play better and create more chances.

Arsenal has created 207 chances, City and Liverpool 200, Chelsea 170 but United 149

Is this not easy to see
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 11:08pm On Dec 08, 2017
elampiro:


What has chances created got to do with defensive stats?

These guys beat Lukaku in attacking and defensive stats per game. Even players who don't get 90 minutes.

You asked why they have scored more goals or not?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 11:12pm On Dec 08, 2017
raumdeuter:


Is this not easy to see
It's not stat enough. He won't see it
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by kelvinze(m): 11:16pm On Dec 08, 2017
Nawa ooo...wetin lukaku do to deserve this shiiii?.
we suppose sign Morata to come and play d role he is playing let's see if he'll score 30 goals a season and make some peeps here stop filling the thread with frivolous comments here..we just entered December yet dem want make this thread reach 5000 without any concrete post to show for it..SMFH!

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:17pm On Dec 08, 2017
chrisley024:
Not unexpected. Logically, teams that play high line are more likely to have their strikers make more interceptions unlike teams that stay back and isolate their striker. How is he gonna make interception in the midst of 3-4 players? Same with tackles.

When compared to Laca, Jesus, Aguero and Giroud in defensive work per mins:
Blocks - Lukaku is 1st
Clearances - 2nd behind Giroud, and dude is even 1st in aerial duels won.


It is Klopp's style and he uses 3 upfront for this cos only a player cannot do it. Reason Jose is now using Lingard cos of Mhki laziness

Kane has the better record on blocks. The only person I had the time to compare with Lukaku's record per minutes. Yet he has better defensive record than Lukaku.

Lukaku is not isolated in small games. How come Ibrahimovic (from last season) has better defensive record than Lukaku. Is it not same team?

But you mean Lukaku is no longer playing at half line with defensive duties but isolated upfront? What is defensive duties if it is to just stay at half line?

From what we see now, Lukaku is the one making Mkhitaryan poor.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:18pm On Dec 08, 2017
raumdeuter:


Is this not easy to see

It doesn't make sense. What has chances created got to do with defensive duties?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 11:23pm On Dec 08, 2017
Elampiro go and sleep, it's not easy multitasking and chatting shiit sir. cheesy

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 11:28pm On Dec 08, 2017
elrony:
Elampiro go and sleep, it's not easy multitasking and chatting shiit sir. cheesy
He enjoys this type of thing. It's like he misses coogar and trying to recreate what he had with cougar
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 11:30pm On Dec 08, 2017
angry
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:43pm On Dec 08, 2017
Stats just showed me Lukaku receives more scoring chances per minutes played than Lacazette and Sterling.

Yet, he is behind in goals scored per minutes played.

Another excuse please.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 11:44pm On Dec 08, 2017
elampiro:


Kane has the better record on blocks. The only person I had the time to compare with Lukaku's record per minutes. Yet he has better defensive record than Lukaku.

Lukaku is not isolated in big small games. How come Ibrahimovic (from last season) has better defensive record than Lukaku. Is it not same team?

But you mean Lukaku is no longer playing at half line with defensive duties but isolated upfront? What is defensive duties if it is to just stay at half line?

From what we see now, Lukaku is the one making Mkhitaryan poor.
Lukaku has better blocks almost double than Kane. Just as I pointed out, teams that press high from front will force mistakes which are reflected in the interception and tackles. Off all these strikers, Lukaku is just behind Aguero and Kane in defence score and the best in aerial duels won.
I cannot compare this season and last cos of many reasons.

Let me take your last statement as trolling cos even Lingard has a far better defence score. I'm done with this merry-go-round.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 11:44pm On Dec 08, 2017
eph12:

He enjoys this type of thing. It's like he misses coogar and trying to recreate what he had with cougar

That's some crazy shii manns! grin

Now I get the subliminal pseudo-obsession with CapitalCee cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by hardeycute(m): 11:48pm On Dec 08, 2017
elrony:
[s]Elampiro go and sleep, it's not easy multitasking and chatting shiit sir. cheesy[/s]
Is he lacking coherence? The answer is no.

Why can't he criticised in peace? Like you guys support would manifest into any positive thing and vice versa

This idea of criminalising an opinion different from the popular view is unreasonable

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:55pm On Dec 08, 2017
chrisley024:
Lukaku has better blocks almost double than Kane. Just as I pointed out, teams that press high from front will force mistakes which are reflected in the interception and tackles. Off all these strikers, Lukaku is just behind Aguero and Kane in defence score and the best in aerial duels won.
I cannot compare this season and last cos of many reasons.

Let me take your last statement as trolling cos even Lingard has a far better defence score. I'm done with this merry-go-round.

You are looking at the wrong stats.

Lukaku has 7 blocks in the EPL
Kane has 7 blocks

Kane played less minutes.

Kane has 13 clearances and Lukaku 12
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 12:04am On Dec 09, 2017
hardeycute post=63108291[s:
]Is he lacking coherence? The answer is no.

Why can't he criticised in peace? Like you guys support would manifest into any positive thing and vice versa

This idea of criminalising an opinion different from the popular view is unreasonable[/s]

Kindly mind the space sir! Thanks!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:05am On Dec 09, 2017
Morata has 8 blocks in far less playing time. He also beat Lukaku on Tackles and Interceptions

Blocks distribution also shows Morata has more shots blocked than passes blocked. On the other hand, Lukaku has more passes blocked than shots blocked.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by hoopLA: 12:15am On Dec 09, 2017
elrony:
Elampiro go and sleep, it's not easy multitasking and chatting shiit sir. cheesy

Hmmm. . .
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by hardeycute(m): 12:16am On Dec 09, 2017
elampiro:
Morata has 8 blocks in far less playing time. He also beat Lukaku on Tackles and Interceptions

Blocks distribution also shows Morata has more shots blocked than passes blocked. On the other hand, Lukaku has more passes blocked than shots blocked.
Baba continue with your archives because when the season ends we will dig everything out for them see the light

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuffRuggedRaw(m): 12:20am On Dec 09, 2017
eph12:

Did you watch United play against those smaller teams before Pogba came back? How was the team's performance? Did we not come here to be lamenting every match day even when we win? Was it not because the team was playing woefully?

But United still had more possession, goal attempts and general attacking stance in those games compared to when they play the other top 4 teams!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 12:28am On Dec 09, 2017
RuffRuggedRaw:


But United still had more possession, goal attempts and general attacking stance in those games compared to when they play the other top 4 teams!
Is that why we have very poor number of chances created compared to other top teams?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:39am On Dec 09, 2017
Sakho vs Manchester City
Isolated upfront
Won 3 Tackles, 1 Interceptions


That is a match he came on as substitute in 43rd minute.

Lukaku has never had an Interception in the EPL. When we told guys here that Sakho's work rate while isolated exposes Lukaku's inefficiency, they attacked us.

Chrisley024, you can see that a striker playing upfront in isolation can win Tackles and Interceptions. It takes Lukaku 3 matches to win 1 tackle, and he has never won an Interception this season.

CC eph12 and co

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuffRuggedRaw(m): 12:49am On Dec 09, 2017
eph12:

Is that why we have very poor number of chances created compared to other top teams?

Before you lump my own matter together with elampiro. My own is, I don't buy the ramdeuter argument that Lukaku works harder (or defends more) and stays further away from goal more than any other EPL top team strikers. Mba nu!

What is he defending when United supposedly has more possession!? Other strikers too drift all around. It is a now "major requirement" of their species!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 12:51am On Dec 09, 2017
RuffRuggedRaw:


Before you lump my own matter together with elampiro. My own is, I don't buy the ramdeuter argument that Lukaku works harder (or defends more) and stays further away from goal more than any other EPL top team strikers. Mba nu!

What is he defending when United supposedly has more possession!? Other strikers too drift all around. It is a now "major requirement" of their species!

That is why I asked if you watched united play
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by hoopLA: 1:07am On Dec 09, 2017
Eyaaah

To win an argument one soccer "king" has to twist the truth.
Glen Murray scored for Brighton in a game United won 1-0.
But the "intelligentsia" failed to get that memo.

When we dey hia dey look, one ponmo analyst will be spamming this thread with rubbish talk.

Some folks just post to increase their post count on Nairaland and nothing more. Everyday they just look at their NL profile and it spurs them to just keep chatting sh1t. Whether or not it adds any value, they won't care.

It's amazing how many folks are even engaging this white face liar.

While other IPOB supporters mourning the loss of their leader will look for anything tribal to get their menstrual juices flowing again. Yes I'm staring at you, ChristineC.

But all of us can't think alike, that's why people will say anything to just win an argument that they know they can't win in spite of the obvious.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by slimghost(m): 1:23am On Dec 09, 2017
people laugh at Elamps but it's clear enough he is arguing with FACTS.
We complained that Lukaku has not been scoring enough, some confused Football Einsteins attributed it to him having plenty defensive duties (which is quite a juvenile claim and laughable ).
Elamps now brought out stats to show players with more defensive duties scoring more than their god Lukaku.
Still they don't get it!

You guys can argue all you want but every real UTD fan truly knows Lukaku has not performed reasonably well so far.
I cannot spend a fortune to purchase an amphibious vehicle and when I realize the vehicle can only be used on land and complain to the company, they will SIMPLY tell me " it's because it runs faster on ground".
Damn it! I bought the damn car for a reason!

That said, I am quite sure Lukaku will come good but it's pure MADNESS for anybody to tell me not to criticize him when he serves us shitt.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by slimghost(m): 1:32am On Dec 09, 2017
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2017/Jul/Jose-Mourinho-Why-I-signed-Romelu-Lukaku-for-Manchester-United.aspx

This was Mou explaining why we signed Lukaku. People should read and understand why millions of UTD fans were/are concerned with his lethargic scoring performances.

Even Mourinho was so relieved that he scored against CSKA that he nearly hugged the life out of him when he was subbed.

Yet people are here trying to create excuse for non- perfornance.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lincolnn2: 1:36am On Dec 09, 2017
hoopLA:
Eyaaah

To win an argument one soccer "king" has to twist the truth.
Glen Murray scored for Brighton in a game United won 1-0.
But the "intelligentsia" failed to get that memo.

When we dey hia dey look, one ponmo analyst will be spamming this thread with rubbish talk.

Some folks just post to increase their post count on Nairaland and nothing more. Everyday they just look at their NL profile and it spurs them to just keep chatting sh1t. Whether or not it adds any value, they won't care.

It's amazing how many folks are even engaging this white face liar.

While other IPOB supporters mourning the loss of their leader will look for anything tribal to get their menstrual juices flowing again. Yes I'm staring at you, ChristineC.

But all of us can't think alike, that's why people will say anything to just win an argument that they know they can't win in spite of the obvious.
@bolded.... shocked shocked shocked shocked

Whoa! Really dude? undecided

I can't remember ChristineC actually attacking you as of recent. The post of yours that she quoted and attached a meme, was her just playing around and nothing serious.

Come on now, bro.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by slimghost(m): 1:40am On Dec 09, 2017
elampiro:
Sakho vs Manchester City
Isolated upfront
Won 3 Tackles, 1 Interceptions


That is a match he came on as substitute in 43rd minute.

Lukaku has never had an Interception in the EPL. When we told guys here that Sakho's work rate while isolated exposes Lukaku's inefficiency, they attacked us.

Chrisley024, you can see that a striker playing upfront in isolation can win Tackles and Interceptions. It takes Lukaku 3 matches to win 1 tackle, and he has never won an Interception this season.

CC eph12 and co


Yet he is not scoring enough because of his DEFENSIVE DUTIES.
lol.

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