Emmanystone:


When you change your mind about this? So you now prayer to YHWH through Jesus?


If you read the Bible once in a while you'd have answers to that.
Here... But, i know you would jjmp over it to ask me another question.

For there is no respect of persons with God.
Romans:2:11

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Romans:2:12

For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans:2:13

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans:2:14

Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;
Romans:2:15
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Romans:2:16

I ignored you on purpose, because no one who claims he/she is a Christian can ask a question like this. See why i call you a pretender? You are trying to belong here when you do not.

I don't accuse you, i tell it as it is.

Do you even know what will happen at the Great White Throne Judgement?

Do you know no believer in Christ will appear before the Great White Throne?

Very good...the scriptural reference clears up a lot...

1) So how is this different from what I said about conscience earlier on this thread?
2) How does this also invalidate what I said about how the Spirit of man is a fragment of God in him?

Now you are validating it with these scriptures...but if you deny, I can dig up the posts here for you again...

Emmanystone:

So, i Emmanystone, called the God of Israel Jehovah?
As in i Christined Him by giving Him the name of YHWH/Jehovah? Hahahahahahahahaha. Dis guy no go kee me o.

You've never had an encounter with God... you are repeating what you've read in a book for me...

Did God reveal Himself to you? if yes...what name did He call Himself?

Did He reveal Himself to you via a burning bush or a dream? I really want to know this experience... unless, you have never had one...

OkCornel:


You've never had an encounter with God... you are repeating what you've read in a book for me...

Did God reveal Himself to you? if yes...what name did He call Himself?

Did He reveal Himself to you via a burning bush or a dream? I really want to know this experience... unless, you have never had one...

See? Hahahahahahahahahahaha. You jump over points but you want to keep typing and posting nonsense. I don't have your time today

So, the Bible is just a book for you? See why i call you a pretend and you say i insult you?

So, YHWH did not tell me that He is YHWH meaning my salvation is invalidated?

Abeg, Gerarahia mhen

Please anyone who has taken time to watch this video should start a useful discussion...

Note: It's not for people who are eager to argue for arguing sake...without taking time to learn...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdsJs0UIm7s


I'll be awaiting diverse points of view on the subject matter:

HISTORY OF RELIGION; PAGANS, NIMROD, BABYLON...

cc: ifenes, butterflylion, Sciencewatch, vaxx

Emmanystone:

See? Hahahahahahahahahahaha. You jump over points but you want to keep typing and posting nonsense. I don't have your time today

So, the Bible is just a book for you? See why i call you a pretend and you say i insult you?

So, YHWH did not tell me that He is YHWH meaning my salvation is invalidated?

Abeg, Gerarahia mhen

As usual, nothing worthwhile or useful in this post of yours...No experience of whatsoever...except from reading a book...

only if you can calm down and watch the video instead of displaying immaturity here...

Grow up madam... perhaps this is why Paul cautioned women in the Corinthian church to keep quiet...

When you are ready to engage in an intellectually stimulating discussion with valid points to offer... you can come back...

till then... lemme borrow your words; GERARAHIA MHEN!

OkCornel:


Very good...the scriptural reference clears up a lot...

1) So how is this different from what I said about conscience earlier on this thread?
2) How does this also invalidate what I said about how the Spirit of man is a fragment of God in him?

Now you are validating it with these scriptures...but if you deny, I can dig up the posts here for you again...

God created everyone first and foremost a spirit before giving man a body to dwell in. The likeness of God is the mind of God which tells you you have done right or wrong. But that is not the Holy Spirit.

In the old testament very few sectedted men had the Holy Spirit. Kings, Preists, and Prophets. But all others still were spirit beings living in a physical body.

On the day of Pentecost the Holy Spirit was given to all those who believed in Jesus.

And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
John:1:33

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John:3:5

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John:14:26

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts:1:8

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts:2:4

And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Acts:19:1

He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Acts:19:2

He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Acts:19:2

And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts:19:6


Have you seen that the Holy Ghost is an external power which comes into the believers not the conscience in man as you said?

I didn't want to answer you when you mentioned it before..

Emmanystone:

God created everyone first and foremost a spirit before giving man a body to dwell in. The likeness of God is the mind of God which tells you you have done right or wrong. But that is not the Holy Spirit.

In the old testament very few sectedted men had the Holy Spirit. Kings, Preists, and Prophets. But all others still were spirit beings living in a physical body.

On the day of Pentecost the Holy Spirit was given to all those who believed in Jesus.

And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
John:1:33

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John:3:5

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John:14:26

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts:1:8

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts:2:4

And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Acts:19:1

He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Acts:19:2

He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Acts:19:2

And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts:19:6


Have you seen that the Holy Ghost is an external power which comes into the believers not the conscience in man as you said?

I didn't want to answer you when you mentioned it before..

1) And by what inspiration was the Old testament written? I'd like to bear in mind the curious case of "Songs of Solomon" as well...

2) The Spirit in man, where did it come from?

3) What is the difference between Spirit and Soul? I am asking because based on the part of your quote I bolded in red, you said God created man as Spirit first...did you mean spirit or soul?

4) What is conscience, and who speaks through it? What did the Bible mean by God writing His laws in the hearts of men?



5) Can you also help shed some light on these verses (NIV Translation)?;
Proverbs 20 v 27: The human spirit is the lamp of the LORD that sheds light on one's inmost being.
Job 32 v 8: But it is the spirit in a person, the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding.
Genesis 2 v 7: Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Aten, Atum, Otem, was not so much the only god, but first amongst the Egyptian gods, having created himself and spitting the god Shu and goddess Tefnut out of his mouth. Aten is symbolised by the sun, which was considered by some to be 'the all before anything else' and the 'life giving force'. It was however not the central worshipped god as other forces were considered important at different periods and by different Pharaohs. Basically, the gods had been decentralised.

By elevating Aten above all other gods, which by his time were in the many, Akhenaten is directing power to one central overarching account, and by effect, stopping the flow of funds to the priests of the other gods which created an inflation in the royal accounts but caused a recession similar to that caused by Buhari’s Treasury Single Account in society. No wonder they killed him.

Incidentally, the centralising and elevation of Yahweh to supreme god in Judaism is obscured in the narrative of the Torah. But it's there. There were always many gods, but often, one rises above all others and claims "Thou shalt have no other Gods but Me". Political expediency necessitates the 'one god' as a centralising idea at some time or the other. Consider Rome's adoption of Judaism, Henry VIII's CoE, and even Corpenicus/Gallileo/Keplers Heliocentricity

Might I suggest you be economical with your use of the word "believe" as used in your post. In all reality, no one knows if he believed it or not, and to be honest, what the Pharoahs (and their equivalents today) knew, and what they needed to be believed were not always necessarily the same thing.

I'm going to defer to Atum's highest priest. I am certain he has more to contribute. Meanwhile, below is an extract from The Great Hymn to the Aten.

How manifold it is, what thou hast made!
They are hidden from the face (of man).
O sole god, like whom there is no other!
Thou didst create the world according to thy desire,
Whilst thou wert alone: All men, cattle, and wild beasts,
Whatever is on earth, going upon (its) feet,
And what is on high, flying with its wings.
The countries of Syria and Nubia, the land of Egypt,
Thou settest every man in his place,
Thou suppliest their necessities:
Everyone has his food, and his time of life is reckoned.
Their tongues are separate in speech,
And their natures as well;
Their skins are distinguished,
As thou distinguishest the foreign peoples.
Thou makest a Nile in the underworld,
Thou bringest forth as thou desirest
To maintain the people (of Egypt)
According as thou madest them for thyself,
The lord of all of them, wearying (himself) with them,
The lord of every land, rising for them,
The Aton of the day, great of majesty.

OkCornel:
budaatum , ifenes

THE CURIOUS CASE OF AKHENATEN

I trust you are doing well...
I did some research on Pharoah Akhenaten...
I am somewhat puzzled on how he encountered "Aten"...
Akhenaten brought about some reforms in a polytheistic Egypt. Akhenaten stated he believed in a God above all gods...
He was hated by the priests of these polytheistic gods such that his name was struck out of all the records after his death...

I am still at a loss on how he believed that there is ONLY ONE GOD...even in the midst of prevalent polytheism in ancient Egypt...
This man was neither a Jew or a Christian...

He boasted that he always provides sources, but then when he started he veered off course at quite a tangent and failed to provide any sources for the multitude of 'wrong' things he was saying.

OkCornel:
Please anyone who has taken time to watch this video should start a useful discussion...

Note: It's not for people who are eager to argue for arguing sake...without taking time to learn...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdsJs0UIm7s


I'll be awaiting diverse points of view on the subject matter:

HISTORY OF RELIGION; PAGANS, NIMROD, BABYLON...

cc: ifenes, butterflylion, Sciencewatch, vaxx

...

budaatum:
Aten, Atum, Otem, was not so much the only god, but first amongst the Egyptian gods, having created himself and spitting the god Shu and goddess Tefnut out of his mouth. Aten is symbolised by the sun, which was considered by some to be 'the all before anything else' and the 'life giving force'. It was however not the central worshipped god as other forces were considered important at different periods and by different Pharaohs. Basically, the gods had been decentralised.

By elevating Aten above all other gods, which by his time were in the many, Akhenaten is directing power to one central overarching account, and by effect, stopping the flow of funds to the priests of the other gods which created an inflation in the royal accounts but caused a recession similar to that caused by Buhari’s Treasury Single Account in society. No wonder they killed him.

Incidentally, the centralising and elevation of Yahweh to supreme god in Judaism is obscured in the narrative of the Torah. But it's there. There were always many gods, but often, one rises above all others and claims "Thou shalt have no other Gods but Me". Political expediency necessitates the 'one god' as a centralising idea at some time or the other. Consider Rome's adoption of Judaism, Henry VIII's CoE, and even Corpenicus/Gallileo/Keplers Heliocentricity

Might I suggest you be economical with your use of the word "believe" as used in your post. In all reality, no one knows if he believed it or not, and to be honest, what the Pharoahs (and their equivalents today) knew, and what they needed to be believed were not always necessarily the same thing.

I'm going to defer to Atum's highest priest. I am certain he has more to contribute. Meanwhile, below is an extract from The Great Hymn to the Aten.

How manifold it is, what thou hast made!
They are hidden from the face (of man).
O sole god, like whom there is no other!
Thou didst create the world according to thy desire,
Whilst thou wert alone: All men, cattle, and wild beasts,
Whatever is on earth, going upon (its) feet,
And what is on high, flying with its wings.
The countries of Syria and Nubia, the land of Egypt,
Thou settest every man in his place,
Thou suppliest their necessities:
Everyone has his food, and his time of life is reckoned.
Their tongues are separate in speech,
And their natures as well;
Their skins are distinguished,
As thou distinguishest the foreign peoples.
Thou makest a Nile in the underworld,
Thou bringest forth as thou desirest
To maintain the people (of Egypt)
According as thou madest them for thyself,
The lord of all of them, wearying (himself) with them,
The lord of every land, rising for them,
The Aton of the day, great of majesty.

Why I am inclined to think that Akhenaten believed in Aten was due to the fact that he was rejected by the gods at the point he was dedicated to them as a child...

In ancient egypt, it was the custom to dedicate the children (both male and female) of the Pharoah to the gods... Ahmenotep (IV or V) was rejected by the gods..but still somehow ended up as the Pharoah due to his mother's influence...

He built a new city and dedicated it to Aten... He also changed his name from Ahmenotep to Akhenaton...

What I really find baffling is how he got personal revelation he got to rise above polytheistic beliefs and usurp a lot of things in Egypt in his lifetime...due to his belief in that there is only one true God...

"He was rejected by the some of the Priests", is how atheist me would put it, "the mouthpieces of the some of the gods". (This is an instance where an atheistic or theistic outlook makes a difference in how one sees things.) It would be the equivalent to Pastors rejecting a candidate for Nigerian presidency nominated by Imams. They would say God does not approve. Of course if that person becomes president, it is Allah who would have said "Yea".

Also, consider his mother's influence and compare it to a certain Mary, who was well steeped in things divine that her baby leaped for joy in her womb and her relative, Elizabeth, gave birth to a John. My point is that women, who would in those days, have had to hide behind the throne so to speak, would exercise their influence in divine ways. It is the reason we cursed her so severely in the Beginning. They have a nature of accumulating divine knowledge - since they need do no work and have much time to learn, and of indoctrinating their sons in fashions that make them uncontrollable by the mainstream. Akhenaten's mother probably worshipped Aten.

OkCornel:


Why I am inclined to think that Akhenaten believed in Aten was due to the fact that he was rejected by the gods at the point he was dedicated to them as a child...

In ancient egypt, it was the custom to dedicate the children (both male and female) of the Pharoah to the gods... Ahmenotep (IV or V) was rejected by the gods..but still somehow ended up as the Pharoah due to his mother's influence...

He built a new city and dedicated it to Aten... He also changed his name from Ahmenotep to Akhenaton...

What I really find baffling is how he got personal revelation he got to rise above polytheistic beliefs and usurp a lot of things in Egypt in his lifetime...due to his belief in that there is only one true God...

budaatum:
"He was rejected by the some of the Priests", is how atheist me would put it, "the mouthpieces of the some of the gods". (This is an instance where an atheistic or theistic outlook makes a difference in how one sees things.) It would be the equivalent to Pastors rejecting a candidate for Nigerian presidency nominated by Imams. They would say God does not approve. Of course if that person becomes president, it is Allah who would have said "Yea".

Also, consider his mother's influence and compare it to a certain Mary, who was well steeped in things divine that her baby leaped for joy in her womb and her relative, Elizabeth, gave birth to a John. My point is that women, who would in those days, have had to hide behind the throne so to speak, would exercise their influence in divine ways. It is the reason we cursed her so severely in the Beginning. They have a nature of accumulating divine knowledge - since they need do no work and have much time to learn, and of indoctrinating their sons in fashions that make them uncontrollable by the mainstream. Akhenaten's mother probably worshipped Aten.

Come to think of it... there might be some possibility in the part of your quote I bolded.

Akhenaten's father broke protocol by marrying a commoner in Egypt as opposed to a member of royalty...
This commoner who happens to be Akhenaten's mother would probably have consoled him (Akhenaten) in the fact that there is one true God who never rejects what He created...

I still need to confirm if it was Akhenaten's father or Akhenaten himself that married a commoner before concluding on this possibility though...

OkCornel:
...

Come again?

PastorAIO:


Come again?

Never mind jare...

I wanted to confirm who were referring to... but no probs...

I was referring to the fellow who made the video.

He quoted no sources and conflated a lot of mythologies from different cultures to the point of inventing new myths.

I found it amusing that the person you originally wanted to watch it is so psychologically damaged that you got attacked instead of his watching it.

One lesson that has been confirmed for me on Nairaland is that one should never extend even a kind soothing hand towards a wounded dog. The dog will turn and bite the hand no matter how well meaning the approach is.

Many people on NL here have been so battered and psychologically bruised by nairaland that it is no longer possible to have even the simplest and most basic exchange with them.

OkCornel:


Never mind jare...

I wanted to confirm who were referring to... but no probs...

PastorAIO:
I was referring to the fellow who made the video.

He quoted no sources and conflated a lot of mythologies from different cultures to the point of inventing new myths.

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking out time to watch the video.
Unfortunately, it's quite a short video to exhaustively cover what one needs to know about the origin of religions. However, within the short time frame, similarities in all the mythologies were condensed...and it's more or less the same story. There's a male god, female god and son of god...that's the common story that ran across all these pagan religions which had its root from the Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz trinity storyline... Damn! but na wa for Semiramis

PastorAIO:

I found it amusing that the person you originally wanted to watch it is so psychologically damaged that you got attacked instead of his watching it.

One lesson that has been confirmed for me on Nairaland is that one should never extend even a kind soothing hand towards a wounded dog. The dog will turn and bite the hand no matter how well meaning the approach is.

Many people on NL here have been so battered and psychologically bruised by nairaland that it is no longer possible to have even the simplest and most basic exchange with them.

Mehn...I was surprised and embarrassed at the whole thing...
Only if she took out time to watch the video...anyways, it's a lesson learnt for me as well...

OkCornel:


Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking out time to watch the video.
Unfortunately, it's quite a short video to exhaustively cover what one needs to know about the origin of religions. However, within the short time frame, similarities in all the mythologies were condensed...and it's more or less the same story. There's a male god, female god and son of god...that's the common story that ran across all these pagan religions which had its root from the Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz trinity storyline... Damn! but na wa for Semiramis

I do not dispute that there is a common thread going through all the myths and religions of the world.

Where I disagree is the narrative that it all started with Semiramis and Nimrod. These myths are based on the actual structure of the universe and are depictions of how the world works.

The Semiramis of history lived around 800bc during the assyrian Empire. The same Assyrian Empire that destroyed the 10 tribes of Israel and took them captive. This all happened Centuries upon centuries after the time the Tower of Babel incident was said to have happened. After Abraham, after Moses, After King David and Solomon.

So where did that false narrative that we find in the video come from? It came from a guy called Hislop.


The nineteenth-century Scottish minister Alexander Hislop claimed in his book The Two Babylons (1853) that Semiramis was an actual person in ancient Mesopotamia who invented polytheism and, with it, goddess worship.[24] Modern scholars have unanimously rejected the book's arguments as erroneous and based on a flawed understanding of the texts,[25][26] but variations of them are accepted among some groups of evangelical Protestants.[25][26]

Hislop believed that Semiramis was a consort and mother of Nimrod, builder of the Bible's Tower of Babel, although biblical mention of consorts to Nimrod is lacking.[25] Hislop believed Semiramis and Nimrod's incestuous male offspring to be the Akkadian deity Tammuz, a god of vegetation, as well as a life-death-rebirth deity. Hislop maintained that all divine pairings in religions, such as Isis and Osiris and Aphrodite and Cupid, are retellings of the tale of Semiramis and Tammuz. Hislop took literary references to Osiris and Orion as "seed of woman" as evidence in support of his thesis. This all led up to Hislop's central claim: that the Catholic Church is a veiled continuation of the pagan religion of ancient Babylon, the product of a millennia-old secret conspiracy founded by Semiramis and Nimrod.[25]

Hislop's claims are still circulated among some groups of evangelical Protestants,[25][26] in the form of Jack Chick tracts,[27] comic books, and related media. Author and conspiracy theorist David Icke incorporates Hislop's claims about Semiramis into his book The Biggest Secret, claiming that Semiramis also had a key role in the Reptilian alien conspiracy that he asserts is secretly controlling humanity.[28]

Scholars have dismissed Hislop's speculations as incorrect and based on misunderstandings.[25][26] Lester L. Grabbe has highlighted the fact that Hislop's argument, particularly his association of Ninus with Nimrod, is based on a misunderstanding of historical Babylon and its religion.[25] Grabbe also criticizes Hislop for portraying Semiramis as Nimrod's consort, despite the fact that she is never even mentioned in a single text associated with him,[25] and for portraying her as the "mother of harlots", even though this is not how she is depicted in any of the texts where she is mentioned.[25] Ralph Woodrow has stated that Alexander Hislop was an exceptionally poor researcher who "picked, chose and mixed" portions of various unrelated myths from many different cultures.[29] - Wikipedia

PastorAIO:


I do not dispute that there is a common thread going through all the myths and religions of the world.

Where I disagree is the narrative that it all started with Semiramis and Nimrod. These myths are based on the actual structure of the universe and are depictions of how the world works.

The Semiramis of history lived around 800bc during the assyrian Empire. The same Assyrian Empire that destroyed the 10 tribes of Israel and took them captive. This all happened Centuries upon centuries after the time the Tower of Babel incident was said to have happened. After Abraham, after Moses, After King David and Solomon.

So where did that false narrative that we find in the video come from? It came from a guy called Hislop.


The nineteenth-century Scottish minister Alexander Hislop claimed in his book The Two Babylons (1853) that Semiramis was an actual person in ancient Mesopotamia who invented polytheism and, with it, goddess worship.[24] Modern scholars have unanimously rejected the book's arguments as erroneous and based on a flawed understanding of the texts,[25][26] but variations of them are accepted among some groups of evangelical Protestants.[25][26]

Hislop believed that Semiramis was a consort and mother of Nimrod, builder of the Bible's Tower of Babel, although biblical mention of consorts to Nimrod is lacking.[25] Hislop believed Semiramis and Nimrod's incestuous male offspring to be the Akkadian deity Tammuz, a god of vegetation, as well as a life-death-rebirth deity. Hislop maintained that all divine pairings in religions, such as Isis and Osiris and Aphrodite and Cupid, are retellings of the tale of Semiramis and Tammuz. Hislop took literary references to Osiris and Orion as "seed of woman" as evidence in support of his thesis. This all led up to Hislop's central claim: that the Catholic Church is a veiled continuation of the pagan religion of ancient Babylon, the product of a millennia-old secret conspiracy founded by Semiramis and Nimrod.[25]

Hislop's claims are still circulated among some groups of evangelical Protestants,[25][26] in the form of Jack Chick tracts,[27] comic books, and related media. Author and conspiracy theorist David Icke incorporates Hislop's claims about Semiramis into his book The Biggest Secret, claiming that Semiramis also had a key role in the Reptilian alien conspiracy that he asserts is secretly controlling humanity.[28]

Scholars have dismissed Hislop's speculations as incorrect and based on misunderstandings.[25][26] Lester L. Grabbe has highlighted the fact that Hislop's argument, particularly his association of Ninus with Nimrod, is based on a misunderstanding of historical Babylon and its religion.[25] Grabbe also criticizes Hislop for portraying Semiramis as Nimrod's consort, despite the fact that she is never even mentioned in a single text associated with him,[25] and for portraying her as the "mother of harlots", even though this is not how she is depicted in any of the texts where she is mentioned.[25] Ralph Woodrow has stated that Alexander Hislop was an exceptionally poor researcher who "picked, chose and mixed" portions of various unrelated myths from many different cultures.[29] - Wikipedia

Thanks for this
I'll have to digest this and reply later...

Meanwhile, anyone else that has something to say about the video should contribute to the thread...
Thanks once more...

OkCornel:
Good morning everyone,

Hi Emmanystone, ifenes...

I came across this 19 minutes animated video from Truthunedited...

Please take out time to go through it. It will be very helpful in sorting out the OP...and the back and forth we had on religion, Anu, Enki, Sumerian religion and all sorts...

I am quite sure you will enjoy this...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdsJs0UIm7s


If you go through this video from beginning to end and you feel it's not worth... feel free to insult me, I don't mind...
It's insightful...

The video was done from a biased point of view. It got funny when he said Yahweh came down to destroy the Tower of Babel but never said how. These kinds of YouTube videos are ways of hanging unto a failed religions.

[author=OkCornel post=66027644]
1) And by what inspiration was the Old testament written? I'd like to bear in mind the curious case of "Songs of Solomon" as well...[/quote]
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy:3:16
If i remember correctly, i said three offices were endued with the Holy Spirit to carry out God's Agenda in the OT.
1. The Prophetic
2. The Priesthood.
3. The Kingship.
These three offices were ordained or anionted with oil to recieve the Holy Ghost who enabled them function supernaturally.

2) The Spirit in man, where did it come from?

God created man first a Spirit bfore he gave him flesh to live and function in a natural/physical world. The Bible says we are created in God's image.
Question is, what is the Image of God?

Jesus in John 4:24 told us what the image of God is;God is a Spirit...
If God is a Spirit and He created us in His image, who then are we? Aren't we Spirits?

Yes, we are first spirits before humans. God created the phyaical/material/tangible earth, not for the Spirits to dwell in but flesh, hence He took from the earth's material, Clay, and formed a body/house/a Tabernacle/tent/building.2Cor 4:13, 2Cor 5:1-10
John:4:24. When you read those scriptures you'd see that we humands are wearing the flesh like we are wearing clothes. At death, we shall drop what we took from here and proceed to where Spirits live.

But, that spirit is not the Holy Spirit.
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3) What is the difference between Spirit and Soul? I am asking because based on the part of your quote I bolded in red, you said God created man as Spirit first...did you mean spirit or soul?

Both Spirit and Soul are intanggible components of the man.
SPIRIT== is the Image of YHWH in which we were created in. God is a Spirit, but He intended or still intends that humans live and operate in the physical realm where things appear, hence he gave us a material body. But, He also needed to fellowship with Man and without a Spirit in man, man won't have access to Him, hence Man's spirit.
That's why they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John:4:24
The Spirit is that part of us that connects to and with the creator for the purpose of worship and fellowship.

When we worship or fellowship, we fuse into God and become one, like a man and his wife becoming fused together in sex.

THE SOUL===This is our Minds. Emotions, Desires. Our Conscience. Our conciousness. Our abilities. Our essence. The Power house of a man. The center of decision making.
Here we love or hate, here we forgive or revenge, from here we involve or engage in sin. The soul swares the body to do it's bidding.

When God created Adam, or rather formed Him here on earth, If Adam didn't have a soul, he would be lacking in abilities to function and administrate his environment. His conciousness made him aware of his surrounding and the knowledge of what to do.

The Soul is the center of the Spirit and the body. As matter of fact. The Soul determines if a man stays focused or not. The body is just a vehicle which conveys the Soul and Spirit depending on which is more alive and active a man.

E.g. if the Spirit is redundant, the soul yields towards lust. It commands the body. If the mind sees a beautiful girl, lust begins to well up, the soul commands the body to move towarss to girl, words are formed in the mind, but the body (mouth) speaks it. The mind forms word which entices the girl, if the girl agrees, the body goes into fornication, but it is the soul which gets the satisfaction (urge)from the act of sin.

If the Spirit is active, the Spirit resists the urge propelled by the Soul to go ahead and talks to the girl. And if the Spirit is more active than the soul, the body stays in place.

SIN IS COMMITTED IN THE SOUL. THE SPIRIT NEVER SINS.

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4) What is conscience, and who speaks through it? What did the Bible mean by God writing His laws in the hearts of men? [/quote]
Your Conscience is your Soul. To what you pay allegiance to, you bow. Our consciences are alive to be pricked when we sin if we are yielded to God. Romans 6:16 says 'Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But, some whose Consciences or souls are not yielded to God, they pay allegiance to something else. And they'll automatically obey what obtains there. There are people without Consciences. In 1Tim 4:1-2 the Holy Spirit warns us that to be careful of these kind.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

God speaking to us through our conscience, means, He naturally at creation places in us the consciousness of right and wrong, hence when you sin you just know you have sinned. When Adam sinned, he wasn't told to hide, he hid.

No one is thought to steal, you just steal becos of the Adamic nature, and when that happens, you just know it's wrong. If a boy of 3 picks a piece of meat without being asked to, when he hears footsteps, he hides it, why? He knows without being told that he has done something wrong. That's natural.

THAT IS THE LIKENESS OF GOD IN MAN, but some loose it as they go deeper and deeper into darkness.

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5) Can you also help shed some light on these verses (NIV Translation)?;
Proverbs 20 v 27: The human spirit is the lamp of the LORD that sheds light on one's inmost being.[/quote]
The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
Proverbs:20:27 [/quote]
This is what i said before. It is in, or with our Spirits that YHWH communicates and relates, give directions or instructions to us his sheep. If your spirit is death, you can't hear Him.

Let me give you example of what happend on 4 of March. I have work am doing with the orphanage. And you know that orphanage takes from you but gives you nothing but Joy.

I needed money to do certain things, i didn't have it. I was woried a little. I slept and dreamed. I went to friend and asked for financial assistance, i didn't tell him what i needed the money for, i just asked. He gave to me and left. Immidiately he walked away, i heard a voice behind me saying 'Never you beg to do my work, i can provide for my work'. My eyes just flunk open and i was stattled, really shaken when i woke up.

Did i imagine that? No. He is trying to teach me Trust and Dependance on Him in my time of need.

So, He sees your spirit through His own spirit.

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Job 32 v 8: But it is the spirit in a person, the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding.[/quote]
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding
Job:32:8
This explains what i said nah. The man is a Spirit, he is just temporally living in the flesh.

What that scripture is saying is 'Without Me (God) you can do nothing. Understanding, wisdom, knowledge all comes from God.


[author=OkCornel post=66027644]
Genesis 2 v 7: Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.[/quote]
Before He formed man, He had already created him.

Before Adam appeared, infact before all the animals or trees appeared to be seen with physical eyes, He had already created them in the spirit realm.

See Genesis 2:5
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Genesis:2:5

Take Note of before it was in the Earth

Check Amplified version.

Amplified Bible Genesis 2:5 When no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up...

But in Genesis 1 all had been created and their Mandates given.

God created Man a Spirit, then forned clay and put the Spirit he had created in the clay, the clay got up and began to walk and talk.

ifenes:


The video was done from a biased point of view. It got funny when he said Yahweh came down to destroy the Tower of Babel but never said how. These kinds of YouTube videos are ways of hanging unto a failed religions.

It's a point of view...however, what makes the video biased and your point of view objective?

Note: I am not arguing, rather I am after sufficient and persuasive evidence.

I am still awaiting your response to my last question

Thanks...

Emmanystone:
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1) And by what inspiration was the Old testament written? I'd like to bear in mind the curious case of "Songs of Solomon" as well...
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy:3:16
If i remember correctly, i said three offices were endued with the Holy Spirit to carry out God's Agenda in the OT.
1. The Prophetic
2. The Priesthood.
3. The Kingship.
These three offices were ordained or anionted with oil to recieve the Holy Ghost who enabled them function supernaturally.

2) The Spirit in man, where did it come from?
God created man first a Spirit bfore he gave him flesh to live and function in a natural/physical world. The Bible says we are created in God's image.
Question is, what is the Image of God?

Jesus in John 4:24 told us what the image of God is;God is a Spirit...
If God is a Spirit and He created us in His image, who then are we? Aren't we Spirits?

Yes, we are first spirits before humans. God created the phyaical/material/tangible earth, not for the Spirits to dwell in but flesh, hence He took from the earth's material, Clay, and formed a body/house/a Tabernacle/tent/building.2Cor 4:13, 2Cor 5:1-10
John:4:24. When you read those scriptures you'd see that we humands are wearing the flesh like we are wearing clothes. At death, we shall drop what we took from here and proceed to where Spirits live.

But, that spirit is not the Holy Spirit.
[author=OkCornel post=66027644]
3) What is the difference between Spirit and Soul? I am asking because based on the part of your quote I bolded in red, you said God created man as Spirit first...did you mean spirit or soul?
Both Spirit and Soul are intanggible components of the man.
SPIRIT== is the Image of YHWH in which we were created in. God is a Spirit, but He intended or still intends that humans live and operate in the physical realm where things appear, hence he gave us a material body. But, He also needed to fellowship with Man and without a Spirit in man, man won't have access to Him, hence Man's spirit.
That's why they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John:4:24
The Spirit is that part of us that connects to and with the creator for the purpose of worship and fellowship.

When we worship or fellowship, we fuse into God and become one, like a man and his wife becoming fused together in sex.

THE SOUL===This is our Minds. Emotions, Desires. Our Conscience. Our conciousness. Our abilities. Our essence. The Power house of a man. The center of decision making.
Here we love or hate, here we forgive or revenge, from here we involve or engage in sin. The soul swares the body to do it's bidding.

When God created Adam, or rather formed Him here on earth, If Adam didn't have a soul, he would be lacking in abilities to function and administrate his environment. His conciousness made him aware of his surrounding and the knowledge of what to do.

The Soul is the center of the Spirit and the body. As matter of fact. The Soul determines if a man stays focused or not. The body is just a vehicle which conveys the Soul and Spirit depending on which is more alive and active a man.

E.g. if the Spirit is redundant, the soul yields towards lust. It commands the body. If the mind sees a beautiful girl, lust begins to well up, the soul commands the body to move towarss to girl, words are formed in the mind, but the body (mouth) speaks it. The mind forms word which entices the girl, if the girl agrees, the body goes into fornication, but it is the soul which gets the satisfaction (urge)from the act of sin.

If the Spirit is active, the Spirit resists the urge propelled by the Soul to go ahead and talks to the girl. And if the Spirit is more active than the soul, the body stays in place.

SIN IS COMMITTED IN THE SOUL. THE SPIRIT NEVER SINS.

[author=OkCornel post=66027644]
4) What is conscience, and who speaks through it? What did the Bible mean by God writing His laws in the hearts of men?
Your Conscience is your Soul. To what you pay allegiance to, you bow. Our consciences are alive to be pricked when we sin if we are yielded to God. Romans 6:16 says 'Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But, some whose Consciences or souls are not yielded to God, they pay allegiance to something else. And they'll automatically obey what obtains there. There are people without Consciences. In 1Tim 4:1-2 the Holy Spirit warns us that to be careful of these kind.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

God speaking to us through our conscience, means, He naturally at creation places in us the consciousness of right and wrong, hence when you sin you just know you have sinned. When Adam sinned, he wasn't told to hide, he hid.

No one is thought to steal, you just steal becos of the Adamic nature, and when that happens, you just know it's wrong. If a boy of 3 picks a piece of meat without being asked to, when he hears footsteps, he hides it, why? He knows without being told that he has done something wrong. That's natural.

THAT IS THE LIKENESS OF GOD IN MAN, but some loose it as they go deeper and deeper into darkness.

[author=OkCornel post=66027644]
5) Can you also help shed some light on these verses (NIV Translation)?;
Proverbs 20 v 27: The human spirit is the lamp of the LORD that sheds light on one's inmost being.
The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
Proverbs:20:27
This is what i said before. It is in, or with our Spirits that YHWH communicates and relates, give directions or instructions to us his sheep. If your spirit is death, you can't hear Him.

Let me give you example of what happend on 4 of March. I have work am doing with the orphanage. And you know that orphanage takes from you but gives you nothing but Joy.

I needed money to do certain things, i didn't have it. I was woried a little. I slept and dreamed. I went to friend and asked for financial assistance, i didn't tell him what i needed the money for, i just asked. He gave to me and left. Immidiately he walked away, i heard a voice behind me saying 'Never you beg to do my work, i can provide for my work'. My eyes just flunk open and i was stattled, really shaken when i woke up.

Did i imagine that? No. He is trying to teach me Trust and Dependance on Him in my time of need.

So, He sees your spirit through His own spirit.

[author=OkCornel post=66027644]
Job 32 v 8: But it is the spirit in a person, the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding.
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding
Job:32:8
This explains what i said nah. The man is a Spirit, he is just temporally living in the flesh.

What that scripture is saying is 'Without Me (God) you can do nothing. Understanding, wisdom, knowledge all comes from God.


[author=OkCornel post=66027644]
Genesis 2 v 7: Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Before He formed man, He had already created him.

Before Adam appeared, infact before all the animals or trees appeared to be seen with physical eyes, He had already created them in the spirit realm.

See Genesis 2:5
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Genesis:2:5

Take Note of before it was in the Earth

Check Amplified version.

Amplified Bible Genesis 2:5 When no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up...

But in Genesis 1 all had been created and their Mandates given.

God created Man a Spirit, then forned clay and put the Spirit he had created in the clay, the clay got up and began to walk and talk.

Good to have you back...

Thanks for the response to my questions. I'll revert back later today... I am glad we are making some progress with our discussion

Honestly (no sarcasm intended), I have glanced through this post...I am agreement with most of it...but just need to iron the Spirit and Soul part...

I believe man is a soul rather than spirit. At the point of death...the Spirit goes back to the owner (God)...and it's the soul that is judged...
Thankfully, every man has a Spirit (which is a fragment of God in man)...if he heeds to it...good ... if he doesn't, he's got no excuse on the day of judgment...whether he has heard about Jesus or not.


We'll build on this later this evening...if it's fine by you.
Thanks...

OkCornel:


It's a point of view...however, what makes the video biased and your point of view objective?

Note: I am not arguing, rather I am after sufficient and persuasive evidence.

I am still awaiting your response to my last question

Thanks...

His story is based on one book, while he ignored the ones that did not only predate it but gave detailed analysis on the stories. According to him the Annunaki came after the flood. He did everything to portray Yahweh as a supreme god. But If were agree with him, Yahweh must have created other gods who became his rival, Black people are enemies of Yahweh..... the list goes on.

If he read the Sumerian tablet he will read that Enlil was Yahweh, who took Abraham from Sumeria( a beautiful civilisation formed by enki) to form a new cult called Israel. Sumerian tablet will let you know Enlil/Yahweh didn’t have the brains and scientific abilities of Enki ( who is known as Satan )

These guys came to mine gold and created a labour force. That’s what it is. Yahweh himself was under the command of his race emperor, Anu

ifenes:


His story is based on one book, while he ignored the ones that did not only predate it but gave detailed analysis on the stories. According to him the Annunaki came after the flood. He did everything to portray Yahweh as a supreme god. But If were agree with him, Yahweh must have created other gods who became his rival, Black people are enemies of Yahweh..... the list goes on.

If he read the Sumerian tablet he will read that Enlil was Yahweh, who took Abraham from Sumeria( a beautiful civilisation formed by enki) to form a new cult called Israel. Sumerian tablet will let you know Enlil/Yahweh didn’t have the brains and scientific abilities of Enki ( who is known as Satan )

These guys came to mine gold and created a labour force. That’s what it is. Yahweh himself was under the command of his race emperor, Anu

Which part of the video claimed the Annunaki's came after the flood?

Or were you are referring to the part where Nimrod built the tower of Babel to avenge the death of his ancestors and defy God should in case another flood comes?


We'll continue later this evening... I am happy to get your point of view as well...
Thanks for taking out time to watch the video and also contributing your thoughts on it... I appreciate it...

We'll continue later tonight...

Thanks

OkCornel:


Which part of the video claimed the Annunaki's came after the flood?

Or were you are referring to the part where Nimrod built the tower of Babel to avenge the death of his ancestors and defy God should in case another flood comes?


We'll continue later this evening... I am happy to get your point of view as well...
Thanks for taking out time to watch the video and also contributing your thoughts on it... I appreciate it...

We'll continue later tonight...

Thanks

Can you explain what you mean by “God”. Because to continue my discussion I need to know everything terms we use.

OkCornel:


Good to have you back...

Thanks for the response to my questions. I'll revert back later today... I am glad we are making some progress with our discussion

Honestly (no sarcasm intended), I have glanced through this post...I am agreement with most of it...but just need to iron the Spirit and Soul part...

I believe man is a soul rather than spirit. At the point of death...the Spirit goes back to the owner (God)...and it's the soul that is judged...
Thankfully, every man has a Spirit (which is a fragment of God in man)...if he heeds to it...good ... if he doesn't, he's got no excuse on the day of judgment...whether he has heard about Jesus or not.


We'll build on this later this evening...if it's fine by you.
Thanks...

Thanks for your kind words. And i will address this when i power my ba3.

Emmanystone:

Thanks for your kind words. And i will address this when i power my ba3.

That's the Spirit!

OkCornel:


Hi ifenes, I have included Enoch's account of these angels which seems to be very similar to what these Annunakis (translated to mean from the sky they came) did while on earth...

This is Enoch Chapter 6 to 8.

It's possible Semjaza (leader of these angels) and Anu are the same personality...I may be wrong on this one though...
Why I am considering this is because...these angels had offsprings on earth which were worshipped as half god and half men/women...
A case in point is Ishtar who happens to be a great grand daughter of Anu...

Anu and Semjaza might just be one and the same personality fraudulently claiming to be God Almighty...

Anu is regarded by the Anunnaki as the king of Kings. Anu himself forbid giving knowledge to the slave humans. Anu himself stayed in Nibiru while he appointed Enlil( Yahweh) to be the overall governor of Earth, while Enki was the chief scientist in charge of multiplying the slaves. So Samjaza must have been another phasing who felt pity for the humans. Procreating with them was the great sin. I have a feeling those who spoke to Enoch were the Rebels who rivalled Anu.

Putting aside Humans, the Anunaki were involved in wars with other star system in the Great War of the Orion belt. They were at work for millions of years with the Pleiades who may have purposely created hybrid human race to rival the Annunaki. Do not forget the book of Genesis also claimed the Sons of god were scared of the city the human ( hybrid humans plus rebel Anunaki ) were building. They came down to destroy it. Why ? Do you know ? Because Enlil himself was cared of humans becoming intelligent enough to rule a Nibiru.

If we take the word “God” out of the equation. We will get better understanding of the bible. God is a reference to Anu and Enlil. Most times Christians mix them together. But who and what is God ? Why is it said heaven is made of gold ?

Good morning all,

Sincere apologies for not keeping up last night...
Got home and slept off quickly...I was EXHAUSTED...

Back to the matter on ground...

Emmanystone:

Thanks for your kind words. And i will address this when i power my ba3.

Many thanks

I look forward to your response...

ifenes:


Can you explain what you mean by “God”. Because to continue my discussion I need to know everything terms we use.

Very good...This is what I mean as "God"

1) The Master of the Universe/Multiverse
2) The Uncreated One
3) The Starting point of the Multiversal cycle
4) The Starting point of the story of creation and all forms of Consciousness...
5) The Eternal One and Father of all creation (I personally think God is not a gender-specific being: I am open to correction here)


Bear in mind that God never changes...however, it is the way man perceives and views Him that changes over time...That is why I am not inclined to label God with religious name(s) like:

1) YHWH (According to Moses' revelation and the Jews understanding of who God Almighty is),
2) Olodumare, Abasi, Chukwu (According to our Nigerian ancestors' understanding and revelation of who God Amighty is)
3) Aten (According to Akhenaten's understanding and revelation of who God Almighty is)
4) Anu (According to the Sumerian's understanding and revelation of who God Almighty is)...

All I know is that HE EXISTS... and Jesus gave a very accurate explanation of His unchanging nature...

Take out time to read Jesus' parables and explanations on the Father...and compare it to the God of the Old Testament...then tell me what you think. You'll notice something different

Now going by the above description of God, do you think Anu fits into the bill?

To answer this question, let me give you a hint. If you have taken time to study how planets are formed (this process of planet and star creation is still ongoing and will forever continue as the Universe evolves), can you conclude that Anu is responsible for creating stars and planets?