OkCornel:


Its not as though I am not aware of those chromosome rules you mentioned...neither are those scientists who performed the test...

There are rules and norms and there are exceptions to these rules and norms...

For example, a human being should have 46 chromosomes...but there are rare instances of people (with down syndrome I think) with 47 chromosomes...

If you are saying Jesus had 46 chromosomes...then you are concluding the virgin birth story is null and void...

It's clear Joseph never took responsibility for being the blood father of Jesus...would you care to tell us who Jesus' true (earthly) Father is?

Jesus was supposed to be human. How is it possible to be human and not have 46 chromosomes?

PastorAIO:



Was Jesus a tomato? So you have been worshiping a tomato since all this time.... That's not cool, you know.

If you saw a person without 2 legs, without an opposing thumb, and incapable of human speech, not to mention the fact that he didn't have a vertebra, would you call that person a person.

What about if he didn't have sex organs but could reproduce by spitting seeds? and furthermore he didn't need to eat or poo, but could just photosynthesis sunlight with his skin?

Would you call him a human person?

How can you know all those things that are characteristic of human beings and say that there are exceptions and you can be human without having human characteristics?

Is it because you can live a life of sin and claim christ's righteousness 'imputed' to you?

Is it because you can be suffering and yet claim 'it is well'?

Is it because your cult requires you to contradict reality at every turn?

OkCornel:


Then you didn't watch the last video I posted on the thread... the test done by Richard Rives was done in that video...

As for the links on Richard Rives... I'm looking for references outside of wyattmuseum.com because most of what I've seen are from there and might have an element of bias in them...I need something independent and neutral...

Why would they have an element of bias?

OkCornel:


Then you didn't watch the last video I posted on the thread... the test done by Richard Rives was done in that video...

As for the links on Richard Rives... I'm looking for references outside of wyattmuseum.com because most of what I've seen are from there and might have an element of bias in them...I need something independent and neutral...

If you could just tell us what Richard Rives' scientific background is that would be very wonderful. I thank you in advance.

PastorAIO:


Jesus was supposed to be human. How is it possible to be human and not have 46 chromosomes?

Human beings with 47 chromosomes ... what about them? How are they also human beings?

I also wonder how many chromosomes Adam and Eve had...

PastorAIO:

How can you know all those things that are characteristic of human beings and say that there are exceptions and you can be human without having human characteristics?

What stops God from making it possible for a human being to have 24 chromosomes as a rare exception?

PastorAIO:


Is it because you can live a life of sin and claim christ's righteousness 'imputed' to you?

Is it because you can be suffering and yet claim 'it is well'?

Is it because your cult requires you to contradict reality at every turn?

And what's driving the last three questions? I don't understand the reason for these questions...how are they related to what we've been discussing so far?

OkCornel:


Then you didn't watch the last video I posted on the thread... the test done by Richard Rives was done in that video...

As for the links on Richard Rives... I'm looking for references outside of wyattmuseum.com because most of what I've seen are from there and might have an element of bias in the...I need something independent and neutral...

OkCornel, it's not fair o! I told you I was waiting impatiently, still, days later, nothing! How long do you think this can hold on to my attention? Or were you hoping I would forget and not be reminded?

Please, when you do provide what I asked for, do include where it says anything that could possibly be taken to mean, "Richard Rives was a scientist".

OkCornel:


I noticed too... I was wondering if he (Sarassin) left nairaland...

As per posting of links...that stuff can earn ban from the mods... I had problems with that on my other moniker...

Welcome back...

I post links but have not been banned. Do the mods not communicate reasons for bans?

OkCornel:


Human beings with 47 chromosomes ... what about them? How are they also human beings?

Most fetuses with trisomy are miscarried during the first trimester. Most of those who survive have Down syndrome, also known as trisomy 21 because it's caused by an extra chromosome 21. While all babies with Down syndrome have some degree of mental impairment, it's severe in only about 10 percent.

https://www.babycenter.com/404_what-does-it-mean-when-a-baby-has-an-extra-chromosome_5279.bc



The 47 chromosomes case results in serious deformity. Was Jesus deformed?

OkCornel:



And what's driving the last three questions? I don't understand the reason for these questions...how are they related to what we've been discussing so far?

The reason for the last three questions is an attempt to see whether illogical reasoning may have a bearing on why you present Richard Rives as scientific proof without even knowing what his scientific background is.

budaatum:

OkCornel, it's not fair o! I told you I was waiting impatiently, still, days later, nothing! How long do you think this can hold on to my attention? Or were you hoping I would forget and not be reminded?

Please, when you do provide what I asked for, do include where it says anything that could possibly be taken to mean, "Richard Rives was a scientist".

Bro... no vex abeg...

Most of the sources I've seen so far are from wyattmusuem.com and I believe there might be element of bias in them since he's affiliated to them...

If something from a neutral source pops up...I'll post it here ASAP...

OkCornel:


Bro... no vex abeg...

Most of the sources I've seen so far are from wyattmusuem.com and I believe there might be element of bias in them since he's affiliated to them...

If something from a neutral source pops up...I'll post it here ASAP...

So what led you in the first place to use him as scientific evidence when you know nothing about his scientific background?

PastorAIO:


The reason for the last three questions is an attempt to see whether illogical reasoning may have a bearing on why you present Richard Rives as scientific proof without even knowing what his scientific background is.

And your logical reasoning never mentioned that it is a must for all human beings to have 46 chromosomes...

1) What of people with 47 chromosomes...what'll you say about them?

2) How many chromosomes did the first man/woman on earth have...since they had no parents?

Let's see how far your "logical" reasoning goes...

PastorAIO:


So what led you in the first place to use him as scientific evidence when you know nothing about his scientific background?

I thought you were reasoning logically when I mentioned I didn't want to post sources from wyattmuseum.com

Or you think details on his scientific backgrounds are not there?

I am looking for sources from a neutral background does not automatically mean I do not know anything about his scientific background...

simple logic

PastorAIO:



https://www.babycenter.com/404_what-does-it-mean-when-a-baby-has-an-extra-chromosome_5279.bc



The 47 chromosomes case results in serious deformity. Was Jesus deformed?

Oh...so you now see that not all human beings have 46 chromosomes...

There are no historical accounts on Jesus being deformed...

Let's go by your logic... if Jesus had 46 chromosomes as any human being should...and Joseph clearly was not the earthly father of Jesus...then who was Jesus' earthly father (by blood)... CAN YOU TELL US?

While at it...it would be nice to also know how many chromosomes the first man and woman had... were they 46 in number?

budaatum:

I post links but have not been banned. Do the mods not communicate reasons for bans?

They do...if you check your profile...you'll see the reason...

OkCornel:


They do...if you check your profile...you'll see the reason...

I guess I'll have to get banned. Those mods must really like me!

OkCornel:


And your logical reasoning never mentioned that it is a must for all human beings to have 46 chromosomes...

1) What of people with 47 chromosomes...what'll you say about them?

2) How many chromosomes did the first man/woman on earth have...since they had no parents?

Let's see how far your "logical" reasoning goes...

1) What of people with 47 chromosomes...what'll you say about them?

they are deformed. Was Jesus deformed?

2) How many chromosomes did the first man/woman on earth have...since they had no parents?

I have no idea.

OkCornel:


I thought you were reasoning logically when I mentioned I didn't want to post sources from wyattmuseum.com

Or you think details on his scientific backgrounds are not there?

I am looking for sources from a neutral background does not automatically mean I do not know anything about his scientific background...

simple logic

Give us the details of his scientific background from Wyatt museum.

budaatum:

I guess I'll have to get banned. Those mods must really like me!

How often do you post links? Mine was for posting a youtube video links on something about tithing...

And I posted that particular link on multiple threads...before I got slammed with a ban...

PastorAIO:



they are deformed. Was Jesus deformed?




I have no idea.

You have no idea on how many chromosomes the first man/woman had...and they weren't deformed...or were they?

OkCornel:


Oh...so you now see that not all human beings have 46 chromosomes...

There are no historical accounts on Jesus being deformed...

Let's go by your logic... if Jesus had 46 chromosomes as any human being should...and Joseph clearly was not the earthly father of Jesus...then who was Jesus' earthly father (by blood)... CAN YOU TELL US?

While at it...it would be nice to also know how many chromosomes the first man and woman had... were they 46 in number?

How clearly was Joseph not his earthly father?

I'm sorry, I can't tell you who Jesus' earthly father is. I just don't know.

If you can present the first man and woman I'll be happy to have a guess at how many chromosomes they had.



One more question for you:

Since God is all powerful, why do you not believe that God could have created out of thin air 23 chromosomes to join with Mary's 23 and therefore make Jesus an undeformed proper human being? It is obvious that you don't believe that god can make 23 chromosomes for Jesus' male side. Why not?

OkCornel:


How often do you post links? Mine was for posting a youtube video links on something about tithing...

And I posted that particular link on multiple threads...before I got slammed with a ban...

I think you were banned for spamming then. I treat this site like someone's home. I would not enter and throw my crap all over the place. I would find it disrespectful to myself if I behaved like a pig.

OkCornel:


You have no idea on how many chromosomes the first man/woman had...and they weren't deformed...or were they?

I don't know.

PastorAIO:


How clearly was Joseph not his earthly father?

I'm sorry, I can't tell you who Jesus' earthly father is. I just don't know.

If you can present the first man and woman I'll be happy to have a guess at how many chromosomes they had.



One more question for you:

Since God is all powerful, why do you not believe that God could have created out of thin air 23 chromosomes to join with Mary's 23 and therefore make Jesus an undeformed proper human being? It is obvious that you don't believe that god can make 23 chromosomes for Jesus' male side. Why not?

I have no doubt that God can create 23 chromosomes out of thin air...but where are the 23 chromosomes in the sample tested?
Or is the issue no longer about the result of the sample tested?

OkCornel:


You have no idea on how many chromosomes the first man/woman had...and they weren't deformed...or were they?

Maybe Jesus was deformed after all.

I recall some time ago reading a book (I forgot the title) that stated that there was an early Church tradition about Jesus being deformed. One source described him as being 3 cubits tall-4 1 / 2 feet (males at that time and region were on average 5'4", hunchbacked, long face with a unibrow that made him look terrifying when he looked at you.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/183483/jesus-hunchback-unibrowed-dwarf

OkCornel:


I have no doubt that God can create 23 chromosomes out of thin air...but where are the 23 chromosomes in the sample tested?
Or is the issue no longer about the result of the sample tested?

I think you misunderstand me. I should make me position clearer.

I don't believe in the existence of any nonsense sample. Or that any tests were conducted. I believe it is all one big con.

PastorAIO:


I think you misunderstand me. I should make me position clearer.

I don't believe in the existence of any nonsense sample. Or that any tests were conducted. I believe it is all one big con.

Thankfully its your opinion...and not a fact...

PastorAIO:


Maybe Jesus was deformed after all.



https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/183483/jesus-hunchback-unibrowed-dwarf

Going by your logic..maybe the first man/woman were deformed too...
Unless you are certain they had 46 chromosomes as well...

OkCornel:


Thankfully its your opinion...and not a fact...

We all have our opinions. Some are intelligent are others are plain daft.

OkCornel:


Going by your logic..maybe the first man/woman were deformed too...
Unless you are certain they had 46 chromosomes as well...

Quite likely their parents had 48, but weren't human. When they reduced to 46 that is when they became human.

budaatum:

I think you were banned for spamming then. I treat this site like someone's home. I would not enter and throw my crap all over the place. I would find it disrespectful to myself if I behaved like a pig.

If I am posting that obligatory monetary tithing is a scam on many tithe related threads and you think its crap... then so be it...

I'll continue with that...

PastorAIO:


We all have our opinions. Some are intelligent are others are plain daft.

Plain daft even when the results are staring right in one's face...

That reminds me of an ostrich that buries its head in the sand...

PastorAIO:


Quite likely their parents had 48, but weren't human. When they reduced to 46 that is when they became human.

Any scientific research work on this?

Oh... you started with "quite likely" so its your opinion...