OkCornel:


Any scientific research work on this?

Oh... you started with "quite likely" so its your opinion...

All members of Hominidae except humans, Neanderthals, and Denisovans have 24 pairs of chromosomes.[7] Humans have only 23 pairs of chromosomes. Human chromosome 2 is a result of an end-to-end fusion of two ancestral chromosomes.[8][9]

The evidence for this includes:

The correspondence of chromosome 2 to two ape chromosomes. The closest human relative, the chimpanzee, has near-identical DNA sequences to human chromosome 2, but they are found in two separate chromosomes. The same is true of the more distant gorilla and orangutan.[10][11]
The presence of a vestigial centromere. Normally a chromosome has just one centromere, but in chromosome 2 there are remnants of a second centromere in the q21.3–q22.1 region.[12]
The presence of vestigial telomeres. These are normally found only at the ends of a chromosome, but in chromosome 2 there are additional telomere sequences in the q13 band, far from either end of the chromosome.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2


Like I said, some opinions are intelligent and based on scientific study while other opinions are just plain daft.

OkCornel:


Plain daft even when the results are staring right in one's face...

That reminds me of an ostrich that buries its head in the sand...

The results of what?

PastorAIO:




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2


Like I said, some opinions are intelligent and based on scientific study while other opinions are just plain daft.

Where was it stated in the article that the first man/woman had 48 chromosomes?


The assumption that Chromosome 2 has "nearly identical" sequence to two separate chromosomes from what was found in Chimpanzees is your basis?

You are implying man evolved from ape? Very interesting... it's like saying banana evolved from plantain or yam evolved from cassava...since they have a "nearly identical" genetic structure...

No! It is crap if coming from me. You must remember how I feel about talking oyinbo rats!

You would have to determine if it is crap to you! I can just about see it though. I would post a youtube video, and link to that one posting in subsequent references, while you might post the video over and over again perhaps. It uses up storage space or and bandwidth, would be a consideration of mine.

OkCornel:


If I am posting that obligatory monetary tithing is a scam on many tithe related threads and you think its crap... then so be it...

I'll continue with that...

PastorAIO: If I complain then what about Sarassin? Why has his account been deleted completely?

Hello dear,
Sarassin deactivated of his own accord for reasons of his own. Seun has nothing to do with it, at least directly.
Greetings.

LoJ:

Hello dear,
Sarassin deactivated of his own accord for reasons of his own. Seun has nothing to do with it, at least directly.
Greetings.

Ah, Thanks.

OkCornel:


Where was it stated in the article that the first man/woman had 48 chromosomes?


The assumption that Chromosome 2 has "nearly identical" sequence to two separate chromosomes from what was found in Chimpanzees is your basis?

You are implying man evolved from ape? Very interesting... it's like saying banana evolved from plantain or yam evolved from cassava...since they have a "nearly identical" genetic structure...

Whatever floats your boat.

Humans have 46 chromosomes. Their nearest species and other hominids had/have 48.

Therefore I find it easy to assume that losing 2 chromosomes is what made us human.

I never said man evolved from ape. You have basic comprehension problems if you understood that.

We are certainly related to the ape and have a common ancestor.

PastorAIO:


Whatever floats your boat.

Humans have 46 chromosomes. Their nearest species and other hominids had/have 48.

Therefore I find it easy to assume that losing 2 chromosomes is what made us human.

I never said man evolved from ape. You have basic comprehension problems if you understood that.

We are certainly related to the ape and have a common ancestor.

You actually have a very basic comprehension problem...
I asked a question if you are implying man evolved from ape... I never concluded you mentioned that...

Now going by your current post... you are assuming that losing 2 chromosomes from is what made humans exist...

Flawed assumption I must say...

So what's the name of the common ancestor that man and ape shared?

PastorAIO:
Menh, I got suspended again.
I don't know what happened.
I just posted something from wikipedia and got an automatic ban.

The god of nairaland, too, works in mysterious ways. Kikikiki ki.

PastorAIO:
Anyway sha, I shouldn't complain

Yeah, suck it up
That's the spirit!

PastorAIO:
If I complain then what about Sarassin?
Why has his account been deleted completely?

OkCornel:
I noticed too...
I was wondering if he (Sarassin) left nairaland...

As per posting of links...
that stuff can earn ban from the mods...
I had problems with that on my other moniker...

Welcome back...

Nothing to do with earning ban from the mods
but more of, the god of Nairaland has antispambot() functions built into Nairaland that parses content posted for blacklist words, phrases etcetera
Learn how to be quick to grovel and ask for forgiveness when punished for overstepping the "line".

LoJ:
Hello dear,
Sarassin deactivated of his own accord for reasons of his own.
Seun has nothing to do with it, at least directly.
Greetings.

Sukeh. Sarassin has deactivated?

Nooooo. It was still active yesterday, when I read that "Cara Mia, it is "tradition" that Moses..." piece to Emmanystone.
That must have been one of his last posts, if its not the last.
Nah, this is fat finger or phoenix or the "other thing" things!

Hmm, unless, otherwise, if he really did deactivate
then, that right there, staring us in the face, is the self destruction of an ultimate warrior.

They say:
"Destroy what destroys you"
and so we have a self destruction of an ultimate warrior
I guess, Sarassin found out the need to self-destruct, in order to self-discover

On a different note, cowardice, among other things, got the better of Billyonaire,
he deactivated his account on a Saturday,
that is 24 hours earlier, than on the Sunday, he publicly declared as day he will deactivate

One wonders, if Billyonaire, could lie about his deactivation date, then what else has he lied about
and since one doesn't know what else Billyonaire, lied about
one further wonders, if any, at all, of all Billyonaire posted, was even true
or is all he posted just the consequences of overindulgence in Netflix
possibly watched "Altered Carbon" plus others and read too much into them.

Negative self-deception, entangled in a web of secrecy or misinformation
and the power of a guilty mind, always leads to self-destruction (i.e. deactivation)

Self-conceit, I've noticed, often too, leads to self destruction (i.e. deactivation)

OkCornel:


You actually have a very basic comprehension problem...
I asked a question if you are implying man evolved from ape... I never concluded you mentioned that...

And I said you have basic comprehension problem IF you understood that I said man evolved from ape. So who has the basic comprehension problem.

OkCornel:


Now going by your current post... you are assuming that losing 2 chromosomes from is what made humans exist...

Flawed assumption I must say...

It is a trait that distinguishes humans from all other hominids. If you think otherwise then please table your reasons.

OkCornel:

So what's the name of the common ancestor that man and ape shared?

I have no idea.

PastorAIO:


And I said you have basic comprehension problem IF you understood that I said man evolved from ape. So who has the basic comprehension problem.

It's very clear that you would not have typed what you typed earlier IF you saw I asked a question and not making an assumption on your behalf

PastorAIO:


It is a trait that distinguishes humans from all other hominids. If you think otherwise then please table your reasons.

Because we share a nearly identical genetic make up with apes does not necessarily mean we have a common ancestor...It's like assuming bananas and plantain or yam and cassava have a common ancestor because they have a nearly identical genetic structure...

I'd like to ask... why hasn't any new specie evolved out of homo-sapiens or other hominids since the chromosome alteration that separated man from apes?

If man and apes had a common ancestor...why isn't man an ancestor to a new specie if this process is anything to go by?

PastorAIO:


I have no idea.

You have no idea of the common ancestor man and other hominids shared...and you think it's an intelligent opinion you posted here so far?
It might be "plain daft" postulating about something you have no idea of...

PastorAIO ... please man up and let's continue from here... I am awaiting your response to this

MuttleyLaff:



Nothing to do with earning ban from the mods
but more of, the god of Nairaland has antispambot() functions built into Nairaland that parses content posted for blacklist words, phrases etcetera
Learn how to be quick to grovel and ask for forgiveness when punished for overstepping the "line".

Hahahaha

Please stop with this jumping from one argument to another when we have enough unresolved issues to deal with. Provide us with what has been requested or admit that what you posted was baseless.

You can always start another thread for apes!

budaatum:
Please stop with this jumping from one argument to another when we have enough unresolved issues to deal with. Provide us with what has been requested or admit that what you posted was baseless.

You can always start another thread for apes!

Abi o! That was how I was going to respond to the last load of nonsense he wrote to me. He wanted to just derail completely.

Let's tie it up sharp sharp. This is the post that started the genetics nonsense.

Ifeness said he didn't believe bible stories for instance the claim that Jesus had no earthly father and this was okcornel's response:

OkCornel:


I would also wish the Bible is completely false...

But can you explain how the DNA of a human being has no chromosome traceable to an earthly father?

And where did you read that the fruit in question was an apple?

Unless you wanna live in denial...don't bother going through the video.

I am not scared of seeking the TRUTH...that is why I have read a lot of books far and wide...including the Epic of Gilgamesh..
I am also not going to ridicule you for choosing to believe the Annunaki story with no evidence for the sighting of planet Nibiru...

He stated as a fact that he knew of a dna sample that wasn't traceable to an earthly father. This is to debunk Ifeness's claim that he didn't believe a human being wouldn't have an earthly father.
It turns out that his proof that it is possible for human dna to show no trace of an earthly father was utter rubbish which betrayed that fact that he was scientifically illiterate. He then jumped to pull up Wyatt and richard Rives to further buttress his ignorance instead of conceding the point.

That just goes to show us that we are not only dealing with an ignorant person but a person that is not willing to learn and alleviate himself from the dark cesspits of ignorance. Ignorance buttressed by Arrogance.

Now that Wyatt has been sufficiently debunked and even demonstrated that he is not even considered a christian by a lot of other christian groups he still will not let go. Now he wants to argue Semantics of the english language. The man is a waste of space.

Cara Mia It is “tradition” that Moses wrote the Torah but this tradition is not rooted in historical fact. The Torah, in its traditional sense being the Pentateuch or the first Five books of the Tanakh is not the work of a single writer, textual variations and variations in writing styles, as well as repetition of similar stories (i.e the creation story) attest to that. Added to this also is the fact that individually the books were composed over a wide time-span, many contemporary Rabbis carry the same contention.

There are other problems too, quite apart from the fact that Moses supposedly documents his own death which Christians (and some Jews) rather clumsily attempt to explain away by saying that Joshua completed the work (Joshua makes no such statement) there is the very real issue that Jacob of course studied the Torah, we are told in the Book of Genesis that Jacob spent his adolescence studying the law whilst Esau spent his time learning to hunt (I cannot remember the exact verses) but more specifically the Book of Psalms 147:19 reads “He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel”, being the Torah. It is also clear that Noah had knowledge of the Torah, Yahweh asks Noah to take the “Ritually Pure” animals into his Ark, Noah could not make this distinction unless he knew the Torah.

It is clear that both characters preceded Moses and they knew the Law in its “written form” as distinct from the “Oral Law” which of course is composed of the Talmud, the Mishnah and the various Midrash. By the way, the Tanakh is meant to be read in conjunction with the Talmud as well as the other aforementioned writings for greater exegesis of the writings of the Tanakh but as we know, Christians will not read.

The Tanakh is very clear that these men received the written Law. How then is it possible to validate the claims that Moses wrote the Torah as an historical fact when Jacob and possibly Noah evidently studied the Torah in written form centuries before the advent of Moses whom you claim wrote it?

Mia Caro, it's unfortunate i couldn't respond to your post before you left so so unceremoniously. Emmanystone is serving a ban.

It was good having to know your moniker here. I wonder if you'd once once read up on Nairaland as a guest.

You are missed Sarassin. I'm very sad you left without a hint.

PastorAIO:


Menh, I got suspended again. I don't know what happened. I just posted something from wikipedia and got an automatic ban.

Anyway sha, I shouldn't complain. If I complain then what about Sarassin? Why has his account been deleted completely?

Wait!! Was it deleted or he deactivated?

budaatum:

I post links but have not been banned. Do the mods not communicate reasons for bans?

See this moniker? it just got resurrected after more than a yr of being redundant. There was a time it was on the Mod's watch list. It gets banned by posting smilies. i got banned several times without mentioning my offends. I got used to it.

It just reads, 'A mod has banned this moniker with regards to this thread'. What about the thread? What did i say in the thread that warrants a ban? For wia? who go ansa you?

budaatum:

I think you were banned for spamming then. I treat this site like someone's home. I would not enter and throw my crap all over the place. I would find it disrespectful to myself if I behaved like a pig.

Good attitude.

Anas09:

See this moniker? it just got resurrected after more than a yr of being redundant. There was a time it was on the Mod's watch list. It gets banned by posting smilies. i got banned several times without mentioning my offends. I got used to it.

It just reads, 'A mod has banned this moniker with regards to this thread'. What about the thread? What did i say in the thread that warrants a ban? For wia? who go ansa you?

Na wa o. They should at least tell people why they are banned or how else can they correct their faults? There are rules though, and people should observe them. The person you wrote got banned for homosexuality probably got banned for her potty mouth.

Anas09:

Wait!! Was it deleted or he deactivated?

I believe he deactivated.

budaatum:

Na wa o. They should at least tell people why they are banned or how else can they correct their faults? There are rules though, and people should observe them. The person you wrote got banned for homosexuality probably got banned for her potty mouth.

Emmanystone had to be registered since Anas09 couldn't login. And, all i said was 'If homosexuality is right because animals do it, why aren't we having sex with our parents because animals do it? I said he shd keep his filthy habit to himself and not push it to others.

they said i bullied a Nairalander and got banned for 2months

Anas09:

Emmanystone had to be registered since Anas09 couldn't login. And, all i said was 'If homosexuality is right because animals do it, why aren't we having sex with our parents because animals do it? I said he shd keep his filthy habit to himself and not push it to others.

they said i bullied a Nairalander and got banned for 2months

I thought you might be the same person. Did you say it in your usual potty mouthed way, the one that makes be avoid you like the plague?

budaatum:
Please stop with this jumping from one argument to another when we have enough unresolved issues to deal with. Provide us with what has been requested or admit that what you posted was baseless.

You can always start another thread for apes!

Hi budaatum...I understand your impatience...and that's because you want facts.

You asked for a background of Richard Rives...and this is the first snippet I'm going to post across...
Other information as regards his academic background and work experience would be made available ... after this

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/rives-richard/6289


On a side note: Engaging another person in a discussion does not mean I totally ignored you...as a matter of fact, conversations on other issues would pop up on this thread and I'll be involved...but do well to follow up on this unfinished business of Richard Rives with me even in the midst of other discussions...

PastorAIO:


Abi o! That was how I was going to respond to the last load of nonsense he wrote to me. He wanted to just derail completely.

Let's tie it up sharp sharp. This is the post that started the genetics nonsense.

But I thought you clearly stated I should give my reasons on what distinguishes humans from other hominids whilst discussing chromosome 2...now you are giving this response... that I want to derail...all for answering your question...

PastorAIO:


Ifeness said he didn't believe bible stories for instance the claim that Jesus had no earthly father and this was okcornel's response:



He stated as a fact that he knew of a dna sample that wasn't traceable to an earthly father. This is to debunk Ifeness's claim that he didn't believe a human being wouldn't have an earthly father.
It turns out that his proof that it is possible for human dna to show no trace of an earthly father was utter rubbish which betrayed that fact that he was scientifically illiterate. He then jumped to pull up Wyatt and richard Rives to further buttress his ignorance instead of conceding the point.

That just goes to show us that we are not only dealing with an ignorant person but a person that is not willing to learn and alleviate himself from the dark cesspits of ignorance. Ignorance buttressed by Arrogance.

Now that Wyatt has been sufficiently debunked and even demonstrated that he is not even considered a christian by a lot of other christian groups he still will not let go. Now he wants to argue Semantics of the english language. The man is a waste of space.

You claim I am ignorant and arrogant...but you are busy postulating that humans and apes have a common ancestor you have no idea of! ... but yet it sounds like an intelligent opinion to you...


I have given up on you... it appears you cannot hold a conversation without insults... it says a lot about your maturity...

budaatum...what again did you see in this guy?

OkCornel:


Hi budaatum...I understand your impatience...and that's because you want facts.

You asked for a background of Richard Rives...and this is the first snippet I'm going to post across...
Other information as regards his academic background and work experience would be made available ... after this

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/rives-richard/6289


On a side note: Engaging another person in a discussion does not mean I totally ignored you...

Thank you. I am embroiled in discussion with vaxx about objectivity. You will please understand that I have to bear that in mind at the moment.

The link you posted says nothing much about Richard Rives apart from the easily accessible about the organisational he is involved with. The following is however an opinion about your source:

Coast to Coast AM is an American late-night radio talk show that deals with a variety of topics. Most frequently the topics relate to either the paranormal or conspiracy theories.

The subject matter covers unusual topics and is full of personal stories related to callers, junk science, pseudo-experts and non-peer-reviewed scientists.

Scholars have criticized Coast to Coast AM for promoting pseudohistoric and pseudoscientific ideas.

Would you agree that it doesn't show Rives in the best of lights?

Please provide me with evidence that attests to the credibility of Richard Rives.

budaatum:

Thank you. I am embroiled in discussion with vaxx about objectivity. You will please understand that I have to bear that in mind at the moment.

The link you posted says nothing much about Richard Rives apart from the easily accessible about the organisational he is involved with. The following is however an opinion about your source:

Coast to Coast AM is an American late-night radio talk show that deals with a variety of topics. Most frequently the topics relate to either the paranormal or conspiracy theories.

The subject matter covers unusual topics and is full of personal stories related to callers, junk science, pseudo-experts and non-peer-reviewed scientists.

Scholars have criticized Coast to Coast AM for promoting pseudohistoric and pseudoscientific ideas.

Would you agree that it doesn't show Rives in the best of lights?

Please provide me with evidence that attests to the credibility of Richard Rives.

I thought we were talking about Richard Rives background here... what has Coast to Coast AM said about Richard Rives that might be biased or flawed?

Please I need a bit more clarity on what you mean of Richard Rives credibility...

OkCornel:

Please I need a bit more clarity on what you mean of Richard Rives credibility...

You are asking me to seriously consider a video Richard Rives produced. Give me anything that you have discovered about him that in your opinion would make his opinion worth considering. Anything at all!

budaatum:

You are asking me to seriously consider a video Richard Rives produced. Give me anything that you have discovered about him that in your opinion would make his opinion worth considering. Anything at all!

Oh that...

He has authored two books with good reviews;

1) Too Long in the Sun

2) Time is an ally of deceit


You can do a google search on the book reviews...

OkCornel:


Oh that...

He has authored two books with good reviews;

1) Too Long in the Sun

2) Time is an ally of deceit


You can do a google search on the book reviews...

Book reviews? That's the best you got? Do you know who writes them? People like you and me, and our subjective opinion at best.

OkCornel, you are skirting around the elephant in the room that you discovered when you researched Richard Rives. If you had found anything credible about him, you would have posted it here already, but you haven't.

Please do not let my respect for you evaporate in a puff of smoke! Post his credentials or admit the guy is a crackpot, as are his videos, his books and the organisation he worked for!

budaatum:

I thought you might be the same person. Did you say it in your usual potty mouthed way, the one that makes be avoid you like the plague?

I said what i typed, but you being against me and what i stand for will consider me potty mouth. Hey, i don't care what you take me to be. You are nothing to me, so your consideration of me doesn't pinch me.

Avoid me, do whatever pleases you, it makes no difference to me.

You guys wld rather we all become animals and have sex with our parents and siblings because animals do, when we say no, you call me potty mouth, like a care.

budaatum:

Book reviews? That's the best you got? Do you know who writes them? People like you and me, and our subjective opinion at best.

OkCornel, you are skirting around the elephant in the room that you discovered when you researched Richard Rives. If you had found anything credible about him, you would have posted it here already, but you haven't.

Please do not let my respect for you evaporate in a puff of smoke! Post his credentials or admit the guy is a crackpot, as are his videos, his books and the organisation he worked for!

First ... you are getting me more confused about what exactly you need... you stated this...

budaatum:

You are asking me to seriously consider a video Richard Rives produced. Give me anything that you have discovered about him that in your opinion would make his opinion worth considering. Anything at all!

I asked you to check the book reviews of two books he wrote bordering on the flaws in modern Christianity (you would have discovered this if you googled as I told you to initially)... and now you are saying book reviews are subjective...

WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU WANT?

Are you implying majority of the feedback of those who reviewed the books are biased?

Anas09:

I said what i typed, but you being against me and what i stand for will consider me potty mouth..

That's not true. My opinion of your mouth being potty has nothing to do with whether you agree with me or not or what you, as annalice or emmanystone, stand for.

I am disagreeing with vaxx (sorry for the mention vaxx), but I have posted somewhere how much regard I have for him, and I wouldn't be wasting time discussing with him if his mouth were potty. I am disagreeing with OkCornel, and while I admit that I am reserving an insult for his avoidance of the elephant in his argument, his mouth is not potty. I disagree with butter pretty often, but I can not honestly claim his mouth is potty (least, not towards me), and here is immhotep disagreeing with me on homosexuality itself without pot in his mouth.

You however just can't seem to hold a discussion without resorting to baseless insults is what I find about you. But the uncouth way that you go about it is even more unbecoming and is the reason I give you a very wide berth. I refuse to insult myself by discussing with people who have not learnt how to behave in public! Associating with such people might make me stink like you do!