When you stop over-cooking your GDP we can argue.

jason14:
yes a fastest growing slum with a GDP higher than ur entire country lool

dude when Kenya's GDP gets to Lagos own(Lagos oo not even Nigeria) then we can argue

rvp2017:
@Kikuyu -
Did you know that as we speak total number of mobile money (m-pesa & equitel) transactions are around 1.5B per year. Visa- the world busiest (unless it been overtaken by China's Union) total global transactions are 28B. So already M-PESA is among the world busiest payment systems..and it's growing at a furious pace!

what the hell is M-pesa ? iv not heard of it

rvp2017:
When you stop over-cooking your GDP we can argue.

lol nobody is cooking anything here bro its all raw fact

rvp2017:
The past - before there was the talk of climate change - renewable clean energy is the future.

Oil prices won’t hit 10$ in the next 10 yrs. in fact oil prices are on an upward trend. It’s currently around 74$. Saudi Arabia and opec is earmarking for it to increase between 80$ and 100$

rsvsp will soon come and say Kenya has more oil than Nigeria or Kenya is a first world country loooooooolllll he will be bringing fake facts to prove it

nwoke37:


We have to wait o! It’s a world class project.
They’re about 60% done on reclamation of land from the sea. I believe roads, power and water are already on most parts of the current reclaimed land. They also haven’t finished the canals, plus the marina is yet to be completed. All we’re waiting for is for investors to build their buildings, plus recession slowed down the building. Hopefully as the economy grows without interruption, we should see more buildings coming on ground.

But Nigeria needs more than 1 world class city. I don’t know what’s going on in centenary city in Abuja.. be like say politicians and corruption dey stall am.

what's even happening to that centenary city, have they started building it

NairobiWalker:


You guys keep claiming we are here making ourselves relevant yet you've camped here since your fellow Nigerian created this thread in response to a thread another Nigerian created titled 'Kenya is behind Nigeria in Everything, that's a fact' trying to show how 'mighty' Nigeria is. One wonders who's fooling who - who's really trying to be relevant? Btw why do Nigerians love using that term? That you're trying to be relevant? This is just absurd.

We are not here trying to prove Kenya is better than Nigeria, we are answering the insults you keep hurling at us. I didn't come across this forum because of seeking information on Nigeria, I was seeking information on Kenya when I came across this forum. Then I realized you guys were opening threads every other day trying to bring Kenya down. I am here because my country was being discussed and you guys are mad that we are bursting the bubble you created that Nigeria is some sort of a giant while everywhere in the continent nobody gives a damn about you and no one views you as any giant.

Americans not arguing with Germans is mutual - that's why they're a superpower. Meanwhile you claim to be an African superpower of some kind yet you spend all your time insulting fellow Africans online. If you were really a giant non of you would even be on this thread - Lions don't turn when a dog barks behind them.

OK how do you view Nigeria ?(and don't you dare mention poor )

what comes to your mind when Nigeria is mentioned

That is Saudi & OPEC plan. Maybe you should ready about what Trump and China are planning. Actually doing. US is ramping it's production and China is building it's oil reserves. And long term - clean renewable energy is replacing oil & coal.

nwoke37:


Oil prices won’t hit 10$ in the next 10 yrs. in fact oil prices are on an upward trend. It’s currently around 74$. Saudi Arabia and opec is earmarking for it to increase between 80$ and 100$

obaaderemi:
Of a truth the Kenyans don't know how to build businesses. The economy is too small for a country with such potentials and resources.[b] But to them, once you don't have oil and solid minerals then you have an excuse to have a small economy. [/b]Their biggest companies are either started or owned by foreigners from Safaricom to Kenya telecom to Möbius to nakumatt. Thank God for the Indians and other foreigners among them.

My goodness,but negro WTF do you get this ishyt!? I doubt you even pulled this anti logical bleating from out your arse!?

I am not surprised. You're ignorant and proud of it. It's one of busiest payments in the world - that emerged out of Kenya and in kenya alone it's processes 1.5 billion payment transactions. Many countries including Ghana are doing okay but Nigeria simply made a mess out of it. They let the banks - instead of telcoms- to ran it and now - 5yrs later - only 1% of Nigeria have heard or used about Mobile Payment - and they are guys with bank account - not the real target - the 140M extremely poor nigerians - leave alone the 60M poor ones.

jason14:
what the hell is M-pesa ? iv not heard of it

obaaderemi:
it's a big project and a lot of things have to be put in place. Probably by year end.

REALLLYY? Its been almost a decade and as of last year there were only 2 skyscrapers completed!

Dubbed the "Dubai of Africa", the so-called city within a city is being built over 10 square kilometres on tons of sand dredged from the Atlantic Ocean off the coast.

Just one year ago, it was a symbol of the promise of Lagos, when Nigeria was still the continent's number one economy.

READ: Nigerian economy nosedives into recession

But today it is mostly an expanse of sand, interrupted by two lonely ultra-modern skyscrapers and a couple of roads lined with young palm trees.

https://www.enca.com/africa/nigerias-swank-property-developments-flatlined-by-recession

It seems there's also a fatal flaw in the design.

In 2012, a storm surge in the exact area of Eko Atlantic’s construction killed 16 people.

The EAC Great Wall to prevent sea surges may actually endanger unprotected areas of Lagos as one expert explains:

Dr. Alan Blumberg, renowned for his research and the effects of climate change on water structures, highlighted the challenges in a phone call.

“What happens when you build a wall is that the approaching storm surge will come up to the wall, and it will move to the left or right of the wall, searching for a weakness or a low spot. If there are two islands close to each other, it may go to the island next door instead.”

https://qz.com/923142/the-flaw-in-the-construction-of-eko-atlantic-island-in-lagos/

A Texas based Naij real estate guy himself said,admittedly 2 years ago,

In 2015, apart from a single high-rise under construction, Eko Atlantic that can literally transform the skyline of Lagos and usher bold steps towards addressing decay and lagging modern ways of delivering projects with great amenities, may languish becoming an eyesore as opposed becoming great eye sight. [b]And Nigeria corporate capacity is very limited as there are not many Nigeria owned companies that have suitable corporate headquarters or can afford to lease large space and pay rent on time. [/b]A corporate landscape dominated by mom-pop establishments with very little track records on paying rent and or having suitable office space.

https://www./eko-atlantic-city-magic-steroid-reality-delay-e-e-okpa

We've mentioned more than once about your low rate of established retail outlets AND THAT REALITY IS BITING YOU IN THE ARSE-AS USUAL! Rvp2017,find some details on this EAC Naijjans are always bleating about-you know we can't trust professional story tellers for anything.

The thing is dead..it was just irrational exuberance when oil was 140 usd per barrel...Nigeria without Oil is nothing...so they have to wait until oil price rally..otherwise where is the money to build that city going to come from?

kikuyu1:

We've mentioned more than once about your low rate of established retail outlets AND THAT REALITY IS BITING YOU IN THE ARSE-AS USUAL! Rvp2017,find some details on this EAC Naijjans are always bleating about-you know we can't trust professional story tellers for anything.

rvp2017:
I am not surprised. You're ignorant and proud of it. It's one of busiest payments in the world - that emerged out of Kenya and in kenya alone it's processes 1.5 billion payment transactions. Many countries including Ghana are doing okay but Nigeria simply made a mess out of it. They let the banks - instead of telcoms- to ran it and now - 5yrs later - only 1% of Nigeria have heard or used about Mobile Payment - and they are guys with bank account - not the real target - the 140M extremely poor nigerians - leave alone the 60M poor ones.

140 million extremely poor Nigerians ? are u mad or do you just like saying rubbish . so are you saying there are no rich Nigerians ,no middle class,
are u just very stupid?

obaaderemi:
He does not know that Nigerian universities are the highest ranked in West Africa and among the highest in Africa. We have 5 universities among Africa's top 25. And yet one illiterate says Nigerians are illiterate. You see why I said he hates himself thinking the problem is with his country. This is the latest ranking for Africa.


https://www.4icu.org/top-universities-africa/

Exactly.

kikuyu1:


REALLLYY? Its been almost a decade and as of last year there were only 2 skyscrapers completed!


https://www.enca.com/africa/nigerias-swank-property-developments-flatlined-by-recession

It seems there's also a fatal flaw in the design. The EAC Great Wall to prevent sea surges may actually endanger unprotected areas of Lagos as one expert explains:
https://qz.com/923142/the-flaw-in-the-construction-of-eko-atlantic-island-in-lagos/

A Texas based Naij real estate guy himself said,admittedly 2 years ago,
https://www./eko-atlantic-city-magic-steroid-reality-delay-e-e-okpa

We've mentioned more than once about your low rate of established retail outlets AND THAT REALITY IS BITING YOU IN THE ARSE-AS USUAL! Rvp2017,find some details on this EAC Naijjans are always bleating about-you know we can't trust professional story tellers for anything.

OK ooo EAC is useless , its not an upcoming mega city loooolll shebi na wetin u wan hear

this idiot doesn't know people already have stakes in that city , bill gates and his wife have stakes there . people from around d world are anticipating that project and one okponu from Kenya is here talking rubbish

if u like go and finish you mb trying to look for fake fact abymt EAC looll u nor go find am

rvp2017:
The thing is dead..it was just irrational exuberance when oil was 140 usd per barrel...Nigeria without Oil is nothing...so they have to wait until oil price rally..otherwise where is the money to build that city going to come from?

Mr rssvvp EAC is being built by private investors from around d world , the government has very little hand in it . billionaires from all over d world are investing in the city , so oil or no oil the mega city will still be completed then u and ur family can come and enjoy it lool

rvp2017:
Nigeria are amazing in their delusion. You'll never admit that the giant is naked.And no- it not about policies - they have lots of SOLID indicators there - and Nigeria is just doing very badly - nearly bottom 10 - and it's seem to get worse - Kenya has improved from position 99 to 80 (jumped nearly 20 countries) - while Nigeria has regressed around from 120-128!

While you regress - kenya ranked "worse" than only South Africa, Mauritus, Morroco and Tunisia - which are second world countries.

https://www.globalinnovationindex.org/analysis-indicator

What are you guys innovating that makes you think you are ahead? What are you innovating that we don't even see? List your innovations.

jason14:
OK how do you view Nigeria ?(and don't you dare mention poor )

what comes to your mind when Nigeria is mentioned

He put it aptly when he likened Nigeria to a lion and Kenya to a dog. I like the metaphor. But i think he had a point.Maybe it's time we stopped giving them attention. They are naturally very insecure. This is the same way they fight with Tanzanians online all the time.

I know you're hoping I'll say Iphone? But Kenya lead Africa in many innovation - from agriculture (several world class research have produce new clones or solved diseases) - fin-tech - technology - clean energy - health - etc - Globally we lead in mobile/digital payments popularly known as M-PESA and related.

Daejoyoung:

What are you guys innovating that makes you think you are ahead? What are you innovating that we don't even see? List your innovations.

rvp2017:
You're a reflection of what Nigerian suffering is talking about. You're the poster child of Nigeria very poor education. I said very plain English that kenya is ranked amongst countries you can describe as second world....South Africa is not 3rd world like Nigeria or Kenya. And while kenya is making progress toward second world - Nigeria is regressing further to compete with Niger, Chad and South Sudan.

While you regress - kenya ranked "worse" than only South Africa, Mauritus, Morroco and Tunisia - which are second world countries.

what....??

you kenyans dont understand whats going on around una....

look,we will bash una the same way we bash biafrans at home....

they cant reason too...propaganda doesnt replace facts on ground....

biafrans had to learn that the hard way....

is not nice buildings or talking that says if you are somebody....its buy power....

saudi arabia doesnt have that much nice buildings....most is sand....their buy power is what matters....

profit matters....nothing else....

You're doing a terrible job at it. I am not surprised Biafrans want to secede.You're like an albatross on everyone's neck.

justtoodark:


what....??

you kenyans dont understand whats going on around una....

look,we will bash una the same way we bash biafrans at home....

they cant reason too...propaganda doesnt replace facts on ground....

biafrans had to learn that the hard way....

[quote author=kikuyu1 post=66959371]

REALLLYY? Its been almost a decade and as of last year there were only 2 skyscrapers completed!

the most daunting task of eko Atlantic is "land reclamation" reclaiming land from d Atlantic took more than 5years and construction of towers started in 2014. 3 skyscrapers are completed and 6 are already topped out.

It seems there's also a fatal flaw in the design. The EAC Great Wall to prevent sea surges may actually endanger unprotected areas of Lagos as one expert explains:
https://qz.com/923142/the-flaw-in-the-construction-of-eko-atlantic-island-in-lagos/

all these are just opinions which is not uncommon to every ongoing projects.

A Texas based Naij real estate guy himself said,admittedly 2 years ago,
https://www./eko-atlantic-city-magic-steroid-reality-delay-e-e-okpa

We've mentioned more than once about your low rate of established retail outlets AND THAT REALITY IS BITING YOU IN THE ARSE-AS USUAL! Rvp2017,find some details on this EAC Naijjans are always bleating about-you know we can't trust professional story tellers for anything.

that's ur problem, mister. I even love the way u guys study us like Bible and we don't care about urs. It shows that u guys have sleepless nights over Nigerian affair while making urself irrelevant to us as ever.

rvp2017:
You're doing a terrible job at it. I am not surprised Biafrans want to secede.You're like an albatross on everyone's neck.

they are going nowhere....nigerian army will beat the shitt out of them....

now they are waiting for a foreign nation to invade nigeria and give them biafra....this is how black societies collapsed....

you kenyans are challenging who exactly....?

why dont you go challenge a none black nation...??

ohhh,i get it...foreign nations scare the shitt out of you...

obaaderemi:
He put it aptly when he likened Nigeria to a lion and Kenya to a dog. I like the metaphor. But i think he had a point.Maybe it's time we stopped giving them attention. They are naturally very insecure. This is the same way they fight with Tanzanians online all the time.

When d oldest man on d thread is insecure, what do u expect from d younger ones??

kingsango was right...petty fights....ridiculous...

we nigerians wouldnt even care is kenya leads.....thats the funny part....

we are counter reacting because you challendge us...we looked at you and said mbanu....that cant be....

we checked the numbers over and over again and still said to ourselfs,that cant be...

we are on this thread because we like to fight....ijakija...welcome....

its our nature....

i am more worried both nations are fighting each other in front of their enemies wordwide...

thats a very bad idea exposing each other front of enemies...

or una think una dont have enemies....?

Nigerian army which is unable to defeat Boko Haram! Again it's come down to BUDGET.

Nigerian army budget is $1.5B dollars! And Kenya's 2017 total security budget is $2.64 - with $1.2B dollars just reserved for the army and the rest for police.

A kenyan private earns more than Nigerian major. You don't want to know what Kenyan Major earn - about how much you pay your GENERALS. And you wonder why you can't defeat boko-haram and whole world has to pray for chibook girls.

Do you really know our military budget is more than whole of East Africa (including Ethiopia) combined.

2015 -Morocco leads in Africa with a Defence budget of $3.3 billion, followed by South Africa ($3.1 billion) and Angola $2.8 billion.Sudan is fourth at $2.7 billion while Nigeria is fifth at $1.7 billion. Kenya is eighth behind Tunisia and Algeria, excluding Egypt and Libya whose data were not made public.

I bet by 2017-2018 - now - we may even overtake Nigeria in military budget - . You're only a GIANT IN COOKED GDP.

justtoodark:


they are going nowhere....nigerian army will beat the shitt out of them....

now they are waiting for a foreign nation to invade nigeria and give them biafra....this is how black societies collapsed....

you kenyans are challenging who exactly....?

why dont you go challenge a none black nation...??

ohhh,i get it...foreign nations scare the shitt out of you...

[quote author=shervydman post=66962279][/quote]Kikuyu1 I suspect is a Nigerian. He studies Nigeria like an encyclopedia.

rvp2017:
Nigerian army which is unable to defeat Boko Haram! Again it's come down to BUDGET.

You Nigerian army budget is $1.5B dollars! And Kenya's 2017 total security budget is $2.64 - with $1.2B dollars just reserved for the army.

A kenyan private earns more than Nigerian major.

nigerian army was not ready for such a war...facts....our army is conventional...invade other nations stuff....

was not ready for internal fights....we never tut it would be necessery....

confront nigeria in a conventional war and you would loose very quick....

look,am not interested to feel better than kenyans by putting them down...am a rascist...confirmed....

anything not black is an abomination to me....

Nigeria has enough problem to worry about external forces. Biafrans and the usual muslim-christian schism is enough. You just need a few yrs of oil price tumbling down - for recession to kick in - and for Nigeria to go neck to neck.

As of now - your giant cannot defend itself against Boko haram - leave alone well disciplined and resourced force like Kenya.

justtoodark:


nigerian army was not ready for such a war...facts....our army is conventional...invade other nations suff....

was not ready for internal fights....we never tut it would be necessery....

confront nigeria in a conventional war and you would loose very quick....

look,am not interested to feel better than kenyans by putting them down...am a rascist...confirmed....

anything not black is an abomination to me....

obaaderemi:
He put it aptly when he likened Nigeria to a lion and Kenya to a dog. I like the metaphor. But i think he had a point.Maybe it's time we stopped giving them attention. They are naturally very insecure. This is the same way they fight with Tanzanians online all the time.

really!!

rvp2017:
Nigerian army which is unable to defeat Boko Haram! Again it's come down to BUDGET.

Nigerian army budget is $1.5B dollars! And Kenya's 2017 total security budget is $2.64 - with $1.2B dollars just reserved for the army and the rest for police.

A kenyan private earns more than Nigerian major. You don't want to know what Kenyan Major earn - about how much you pay your GENERALS. And you wonder why you can't defeat boko-haram and whole world has to pray for chibook girls.

Do you really know our military budget is more than whole of East Africa (including Ethiopia) combined.

2015 -Morocco leads in Africa with a Defence budget of $3.3 billion, followed by South Africa ($3.1 billion) and Angola $2.8 billion.Sudan is fourth at $2.7 billion while Nigeria is fifth at $1.7 billion. Kenya is eighth behind Tunisia and Algeria, excluding Egypt and Libya whose data were not made public.

I bet by 2017-2018 - now - we may even overtake Nigeria in military budget - . You're only a GIANT IN COOKED GDP.

and does it realy matter....??

let me ask you something....

was that area you call kenya today not conquered and colonized too...??