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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by earthrealm(m): 11:22am On May 13, 2018
NoMoreTrolling:
Please house, please tell me, did I fry my charge controller?

Wanted to take out the batteries, so I disconnected the charge controller from the battery, but when I reconnected it, the screen was just static.

Then I noticed that my battery voltage had climbed up to 67v which seems like direct panel voltage straight in to my battery.

Was I supposed to disconnect the solar from the charge controller before disconnecting the battery from the controller

so sad right now cry

wow, most cc cant handle the exceesive juice coming from the panels..if u disconnect the cc to batt connection..leaving the panel to cc connection on. its common knowledge here naaau, only a few cc makes can survive this error, my epsolar 60amp survived it...but i wudnt test fate next time, i may not be so fortunate
whats the make of urs?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 11:34am On May 13, 2018
earthrealm:


wow, most cc cant handle the exceesive juice coming from the panels..if u disconnect the cc to batt connection..leaving the panel to cc connection on. its common knowledge here naaau, only a few cc makes can survive this error, my epsolar 60amp survived it...but i wudnt test fate next time, i may not be so fortunate
whats the make of urs?

men, i don't even know the name sef. like "Yamako" or some shh like that.

Sigh, are you for real though? something was telling me to wait till the sun goes down, but i had to disobey my gutt.

when the installer installed it, he didn't put a dc breaker between the solar panels and the charge controller. it would have been so easy to switch the solar off, if i had that.

i didn't know it was common knowledge here, sigh, should have been following this thread more closely.

wish i could afford another mppt at this time, like your EP, but, maaaan, sigh, wtf is all this bad luck though sad

I will just have to pick up a cheap pwm in the mean time.


Quick question, whenever you install your new battery bank, do you charge the batteries individually first before you series/parallel them I'm thinking maybe these ones where imbalanced from the start.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DMerciful(m): 11:37am On May 13, 2018
Wrong practice to disconnect battery when panels are still connected to cc, the cc will most likely fail. I solved this problem by using a double pole breaker with battery-cc positive going tru one pole while cc-panel positive going tru d other pole that way anytime you trip the battery breaker, everything goes off.

What is your charge controller make?
earthrealm:


wow, most cc cant handle the exceesive juice coming from the panels..if u disconnect the cc to batt connection..leaving the panel to cc connection on. its common knowledge here naaau, only a few cc makes can survive this error, my epsolar 60amp survived it...but i wudnt test fate next time, i may not be so fortunate
whats the make of urs?

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by hardywaltz(m): 12:21pm On May 13, 2018
NoMoreTrolling:
Please house, please tell me, did I fry my charge controller?

Wanted to take out the batteries, so I disconnected the charge controller from the battery, but when I reconnected it, the screen was just static.

Then I noticed that my battery voltage had climbed up to 67v which seems like direct panel voltage straight in to my battery.

Was I supposed to disconnect the solar from the charge controller before disconnecting the battery from the controller

so sad right now cry

The right sequence is:

Turn of the breaker from the pv to the Charge controller which will make ur CC go into sleep mode
Then turn off the breaker from ur Batteries to ur CC before disconnecting.

Same with powering up the system
U turn on the breaker between the battery bank and CC to power up the CC and then after a while u turn in the breaker from the pv to the cc

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Trippledots(m): 12:29pm On May 13, 2018
pranil:


I assume the eco is on output of victron . did you chcek if Fronius IG50 is correctely selected and ESS assistant or PV assistant is loaded with correct values ?

To load 25 KW eco you need 10 KVA multi/quatro per phase what is the size of your inverters?( Victron has 1:1 AC coupling rule

Also the battery size should be " 1 kWp installed PV power requires100 Ah accubank 48 Vdc"

https://www.victronenergy.com/live/ac_coupling:start

please go through entire checklist to ensure something was not missed




did you update the firmware to prevent flickering ?

Quote from Victron support

F[i]ronius has a special firmware available, on request, that fixes light flickering issues that occur on certain installations under certain circumstances.

For Fronius PV inverters produced after 2018-week 16, contain the flicker-fix already straight from production.

To update earlier and/or already installed PV Inverters, contact Fronius Tech Support for the file. The required file is fro29130.upd. Which works for all snap-inverter models (Primo, Symo and Eco)[/i]. " End Quaote


Also would be better if you contact Fronius directly stating the problem they are very helpful.

thanks for your response pranil. when I'm on my pc ill give a detailed reply. bt for now

>yes, fronius is on out output of victron
>ESS and pv assist values are correctly imputed. atleast the system was working fine for some months before it started this behaviour
>victron inverter is 10kva each, all quattro
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Trippledots(m): 12:31pm On May 13, 2018
hardywaltz:


The right sequence is:

Turn of the breaker from the pv to the Charge controller which will make ur CC go into sleep mode
Then turn off the breaker from ur Batteries to ur CC before disconnecting.

Same with powering up the system
U turn on the breaker between the battery bank and CC to power up the CC and then after a while u turn in the breaker from the pv to the cc

very true.... a guy got a smartsolar burnt by turning off battery breaker and turning it on with pv connected all the while...
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Trippledots(m): 12:35pm On May 13, 2018
earthrealm:

wow, thats super sad. you need to investigate why the died, wrong inverter/cc charging..or they were already halfway dead prior to sale.

gel batteries are unforgiving to overcharging, as once the gel electrolyte dry off due to excessive charging current/voltage...then its game over..as the damage is irreversible....thats why i prefer agm batts. best of both worlds

examples of gel and agm batteries pls?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by earthrealm(m): 12:54pm On May 13, 2018
NoMoreTrolling:


men, i don't even know the name sef. like "Yamako" or some shh like that.

Sigh, are you for real though? something was telling me to wait till the sun goes down, but i had to disobey my gutt.

when the installer installed it, he didn't put a dc breaker between the solar panels and the charge controller. it would have been so easy to switch the solar off, if i had that.

i didn't know it was common knowledge here, sigh, should have been following this thread more closely.

wish i could afford another mppt at this time, like your EP, but, maaaan, sigh, wtf is all this bad luck though sad

I will just have to pick up a cheap pwm in the mean time.


Quick question, whenever you install your new battery bank, do you charge the batteries individually first before you series/parallel them I'm thinking maybe these ones where imbalanced from the start.

hmmm, are you a diy person?... ur choice of cc is poor, not a common make, and based on that and the error you made that fried the cc, i may extrapolate and infer that you are not much knowledbagle about RE and may hv fired ur batts ignorantly due to wrong cc/setting. so b4 you
accuse ur batt seller of selling you substandard batts, ensure the fault isnt from you.

yeah, it is good is to charge each of them individually fully first. though its not a sure protection from batteries getting mismatched during use. ur best option is installing a battery balancer.

@trippledots : most 2v 500ah/800ah/1000ah batts are gel
quanta/long are the common agm batts
the batt type is usually written on the body of the batt

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 2:02pm On May 13, 2018
earthrealm:


hmmm, are you a diy person?... ur choice of cc is poor, not a common make, and based on that and the error you made that fried the cc, i may extrapolate and infer that you are not much knowledbagle about RE and may hv fired ur batts ignorantly due to wrong cc/setting. so b4 you
accuse ur batt seller of selling you substandard batts, ensure the fault isnt from you.

yeah, it is good is to charge each of them individually fully first. though its not a sure protection from batteries getting mismatched during use. ur best option is installing a battery balancer.

@trippledots : most 2v 500ah/800ah/1000ah batts are gel
quanta/long are the common agm batts
the batt type is usually written on the body of the batt

well the choice of cc was made my the installer, we just paid for the whole system, instead of paying for parts, so we had to deal with what he got.

As for experience, well, this stuff is all pretty basic. well i guess that sounds, weird, being that I made this cc error, but the more I think about it, the less sense it makes. When the batteries are full, the charge controller throttles charging current all the way down to zero, even in full sun, so why would it fry when the battery is disconnected isn't that open circuit similar to no current on a full battery

As for the battery, well the charging characteristics were met pretty closely. The CC would charge up to 56v daily, same with the inverter. So it was never overcharged. we just started losing capacity rapidly. I mean we have 2,000 watts of solar, electricity from 10-7a.m, 4 200ah batteries and just running 500 watts load continuous. I feel under these circumstances, that the battery should have lasted for years.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by earthrealm(m): 2:38pm On May 13, 2018
NoMoreTrolling:


well the choice of cc was made my the installer, we just paid for the whole system, instead of paying for parts, so we had to deal with what he got.


check the battery for the cycle and standby voltages, then compare same with ur inverter and cc charging voltage setpoints.
ur inverter..does it have batt type selector switch? if yes..am assuming you selected gel batts, did the voltage setpoints jive with the oem batt sepoints?...same goes for your charge conroller
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DMerciful(m): 3:05pm On May 13, 2018
48v battery system fails this way unless you have multiple string of 48v so that each string might be doing 5A else imbalance sets in even with balancers..
My reco is to limit our systems to 12v or 24v unless you have enuf money for multiple battery strings.
If you have money go lithium and have peace of mind grin
NoMoreTrolling:


well the choice of cc was made my the installer, we just paid for the whole system, instead of paying for parts, so we had to deal with what he got.

As for experience, well, this stuff is all pretty basic. well i guess that sounds, weird, being that I made this cc error, but the more I think about it, the less sense it makes. When the batteries are full, the charge controller throttles charging current all the way down to zero, even in full sun, so why would it fry when the battery is disconnected isn't that open circuit similar to no current on a full battery

As for the battery, well the charging characteristics were met pretty closely. The CC would charge up to 56v daily, same with the inverter. So it was never overcharged. we just started losing capacity rapidly. I mean we have 2,000 watts of solar, electricity from 10-7a.m, 4 200ah batteries and just running 500 watts load continuous. I feel under these circumstances, that the battery should have lasted for years.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by makavele: 3:08pm On May 13, 2018
NoMoreTrolling:
Please house, please tell me, did I fry my charge controller?

Wanted to take out the batteries, so I disconnected the charge controller from the battery, but when I reconnected it, the screen was just static.

Then I noticed that my battery voltage had climbed up to 67v which seems like direct panel voltage straight in to my battery.

Was I supposed to disconnect the solar from the charge controller before disconnecting the battery from the controller

so sad right now cry

Should have disconnected solar first.
Your CC is fried and will not regulate voltage again
Disconnect from battery else battery will roast too

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by hardywaltz(m): 3:32pm On May 13, 2018
Please which brand of solar panel can be regarded as the best coz it's seems most of not all the panels are made in China.
I'm asking for a colleague who wants to buy but is confused on the right choice.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 3:37pm On May 13, 2018
earthrealm:


check the battery for the cycle and standby voltages, then compare same with ur inverter and cc charging voltage setpoints.
ur inverter..does it have batt type selector switch? if yes..am assuming you selected gel batts, did the voltage setpoints jive with the oem batt sepoints?...same goes for your charge conroller

The inverter has no setpoint options sad

Not sure about the charge controller, but funny enough, the battery voltage never goes beyond 56v, not that I've seen, even though the battery cycle voltage states 14.4-15v and float of around 13.6-13.8v.

So i guess it's expensive inverters that have setpoints We also have a 24v prag inverter and that one doesn't have setpoints either, the only settings i see on the prag are charging current options, 10A/20A, but that one takes the batteries to as high as 14.8 per battery, before settling back to float, which this 48v (soccer) inverter has never done.

Guess I need to call the installer back? This is just a sad day men, but, who is alive today without problems? I will have to face them this week.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 3:45pm On May 13, 2018
DMerciful:
48v battery system fails this way unless you have multiple string of 48v so that each string might be doing 5A else imbalance sets in even with balancers..
My reco is to limit our systems to 12v or 24v unless you have enuf money for multiple battery strings.
If you have money go lithium and have peace of mind grin

but 10amps on a 12v 200ah battery should be very low though, don't you think?

5 amps is like super small per 200ah battery, thats like 60 watts per battery, 240 watts for the 48v system. That draw is too small for our application and batteries are so expensive and not even trust worthy for me to think about having 8 batteries in a single bank. I would rather have 2 inverters, with 4 batteries each to minimize bank failure, since people always say that you have to replace the whole bank if one goes bad. Honestly, I hate batteries right now men angry

according to the chart below, i should be able to get around 10 hours at 10amps(0.05c) before the battery hits 50% dod, but real life has been way way different. That 10 hours would be more than enough for our application if only it applied to real life.

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 3:48pm On May 13, 2018
makavele:


Should have disconnected solar first.
Your CC is fried and will not regulate voltage again
Disconnect from battery else battery will roast too

I should have come here to ask first before thinking this was a quick and simple procedure, sigh.

I disconnected the negative terminal of the charge controller cable from the battery and wrapped it up, the positive is still on there though, but i don't think that's an issue.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by sharks776(m): 3:57pm On May 13, 2018
NoMoreTrolling:
Please house, please tell me, did I fry my charge controller?

Wanted to take out the batteries, so I disconnected the charge controller from the battery, but when I reconnected it, the screen was just static.

Then I noticed that my battery voltage had climbed up to 67v which seems like direct panel voltage straight in to my battery.

Was I supposed to disconnect the solar from the charge controller before disconnecting the battery from the controller

so sad right now cry

Your CC is most likely tossed, same thing happened to me few months ago.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 4:05pm On May 13, 2018
after the system shutdown, these are the battery voltages of all four

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 4:06pm On May 13, 2018
3 and 4

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 4:08pm On May 13, 2018
sharks776:


Your CC is most likely tossed, same thing happened to me few months ago.

chai, so do you now have a breaker from your panels to your cc?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by earthrealm(m): 7:20pm On May 13, 2018
NoMoreTrolling:


The inverter has no setpoint options sad

Not sure about the charge controller, but funny enough, the battery voltage never goes beyond 56v, not that I've seen, even though the battery cycle voltage states 14.4-15v and float of around 13.6-13.8v.

So i guess it's expensive inverters that have setpoints We also have a 24v prag inverter and that one doesn't have setpoints either, the only settings i see on the prag are charging current options, 10A/20A, but that one takes the batteries to as high as 14.8 per battery, before settling back to float, which this 48v (soccer) inverter has never done.

Guess I need to call the installer back? This is just a sad day men, but, who is alive today without problems? I will have to face them this week.

mordern inverters usually have adjustable batt type selector switch, with accompanying voltage setpoints, its only old inverters that dont hv such, my 1.5kva luminous does hv, but am not bothered cos am using it in an offgrid enviroment, on fla batts. where phcn comes once in months

what is your primary charging source?..solar or phcn?...the setpoint of the cc is user editable, and done on the cc software, there are so many unknowns in your issue, to be able to pinpoint the cause of failure. discuss with ur installer and chart a way forward. upload a pic of your battery lets us see, is it the 2v 500ah type?. this shud be a guide to all newbiew..try to avoid buying inverters without batt type selector switch/clearly defined voltage setpoints,...and request for agm, not gel
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by BRIGHTSOLAR(m): 7:33pm On May 13, 2018
hardywaltz:
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 8:19pm On May 13, 2018
earthrealm:


mordern inverters usually have adjustable batt type selector switch, with accompanying voltage setpoints, its only old inverters that dont hv such, my 1.5kva luminous does hv, but am not bothered cos am using it in an offgrid enviroment, on fla batts. where phcn comes once in months

what is your primary charging source?..solar or phcn?...the setpoint of the cc is user editable, and done on the cc software, there are so many unknowns in your issue, to be able to pinpoint the cause of failure. discuss with ur installer and chart a way forward. upload a pic of your battery lets us see, is it the 2v 500ah type?. this shud be a guide to all newbiew..try to avoid buying inverters without batt type selector switch/clearly defined voltage setpoints,...and request for agm, not gel

lol, for real bro, i really do feel like a newbie, even though I am an electrical engineer. really goes to show how valuable hands-on EXPERIENCE is in any subject matter, as opposed to the limited theoretical scenarios one envisions.

my primary charging source is gen/solar. "phcn" can't really be considered, cause it isn't a constant. it's just sad bro, cause we have light every single day from 10p.m-7a.m with the gen. The solar is suppose to take over from 7a.m-10p.m and it's beyond depressing that 2000watts of solar and 4 12v 200ah batteries can't accomplish that on 500 watts of load.

Guess the inverter might also be an issue though as honestly, i have never seen it charge beyond 13.8v. just seems like wasted money all around, well, i guess except for the solar panels

cry


please dude, i need some more advice before you go to sleep, I can send you some orijin bro.

so now, I went back and reconnected the charge controller negative terminal to the battery and the controller came on and wasn't stuck, like it was when it was sending straight vmp to my battery without modulation. do you think it has been fixed miracles still happen na, abi

i plan on leaving it like this, then checking the battery voltage from sunrise - 7;30a.m before i have to leave my house, but the pv voltage might not be at its max by then. God help me that i don't come back to a burnt house.

when the controller failed and was sending vmp (when i disconnected the controller from the batteries without disconnecting the solar input from the controller), the screen of the controller was just stuck, like displaying all numbers, i couldn't click on anything at all, couldn't see battery voltage, pv voltage... nothing.

will post the batteries later
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by earthrealm(m): 9:12pm On May 13, 2018
@nomoretrolling, yeah, u may be fortunate, mine the +ve cable pulled out from the crimping, and was in this state for about 3wks, b4 i was able to travel to troubleshoot, when they complained, so miracles can still happen. what voltage was it sending to the batt?.
best u stay till sunup..9am and confirm the cc is ok, b4 leaving the house, unless u got folks at home
u need to go tru the manual of ur cc, and confirm it has a batt selector type, and that its on gel, and the gel voltage setpoints corresponds to what is written on the batt.

that ur cc is unknown..i dont trust it 1 bit. if you survive this..best change it to a known/reliable make, like epsolar/fangpusun etc

since phcn is nonexistent, and gen is ur normal charging source. am leaning towards the damage being caused by the cc, ie if the batts werent defective from the start
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Abif: 9:58pm On May 13, 2018
Please does anybody have a supply for sale of US Battery US 2000 XC2 shown in the picture below? I need a single 6V to buy.

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 10:47pm On May 13, 2018
earthrealm:
@nomoretrolling, yeah, u may be fortunate, mine the +ve cable pulled out from the crimping, and was in this state for about 3wks, b4 i was able to travel to troubleshoot, when they complained, so miracles can still happen. what voltage was it sending to the batt?.
best u stay till sunup..9am and confirm the cc is ok, b4 leaving the house, unless u got folks at home
u need to go tru the manual of ur cc, and confirm it has a batt selector type, and that its on gel, and the gel voltage setpoints corresponds to what is written on the batt.

that ur cc is unknown..i dont trust it 1 bit. if you survive this..best change it to a known/reliable make, like epsolar/fangpusun etc

since phcn is nonexistent, and gen is ur normal charging source. am leaning towards the damage being caused by the cc, ie if the batts werent defective from the start

Earthrealm,
He needs to be very careful to avoid fire incidence during the day since not all cc tolerates BATT to CC fuse trip whilst PV is on. Yohako isn't really a durable- known brand and I have experienced lots of negative feedbacks from few clients . I wish him good luck ! Cheer's

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 10:54pm On May 13, 2018
Abif:
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by chimaaba22(m): 11:54pm On May 13, 2018
[quote author=kiekie1 post=67537425]

Earthrealm,
He needs to be very careful to avoid fire incidence during the day since not all cc tolerates BATT to CC fuse trip whilst PV is on. Yohako isn't really a durable- known brand and I have experienced lots of negative feedbacks from few clients . I wish him good luck ! Cheer's.

Franklin, please say what you know and be sure of what you post here.Dont comment for marketing sake. I might be pushed to put you out of business.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by chimaaba22(m): 12:01am On May 14, 2018
[quote author=kiekie1 post=67537425]

Earthrealm,
He needs to be very careful to avoid fire incidence during the day since not all cc tolerates BATT to CC fuse trip whilst PV is on. Yohako isn't really a durable- known brand and I have experienced lots of negative feedbacks from few clients . I wish him good luck ! Cheer's.
Franklin, please say what you know and be sure of what you post here.Dont comment for marketing sake. I might be pushed to put you out of business.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mrsdaniel: 12:35am On May 14, 2018
[quote author=chimaaba22 post=67538506][/quote]

Is this precious forum turning to a rant group pls?If I may ask ,if this forum is for personal opinion and knowledge sharing, why cant few people drop experiences and leave in peace instead personal attacks which is uncalled for. Why should unnecessary threats be issued on a knowledgeable forum like this. From a feminine view although I stand to be corrected,I saw nothing wrong in what the op you threatened for notin posted on a said brand as he has no particular interest neither was he marketing anything as claimed by you and you do not feed him a bit.I might be new on the forum but i came across Mr Richmond posting pics of an inverter which got burnt then and we all learnt.. You brag as a man about pulling a fellow man with dignity down On same open forum he has been known for long.He only quoted Mr Eartrealm as extrapolated in picture below because they both have used epsolar mppt if you duely follow the forum. You would have been diplomatic in your own comment if you had anything to type or remain mute for sanity sake,I do not know you but be wise pls

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by sharks776(m): 12:39am On May 14, 2018
NoMoreTrolling:


chai, so do you now have a breaker from your panels to your cc?


Yap,

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