johnydon22:


Sex is unalterable, misidentify is factually wrong thus an anomaly.

You have the right to do whatever you want to do with your body, nobody stops mad people from assuming what they assume.

The point is, call it what it is.

johnydon22:
That sex is assigned?

Lmoa

Give one behavioral instance of a man behaving like woman..

Tomboys and effeminate men, that's the result of this.

And studies suggests that sex is assigned at birth?

Stop with the Wikipedia nonsense already

johnydon22:


So?

How does this invalidate his assertion?

johnydon22:


So?

How does this invalidate his assertion?

tintingz:
Lol funny. I don't really know about the condition of humans having strong feelings of not being a human.

But the one for transgender is a real condition, gender dysphoria is said to be biological, 62% heritage with genetic influence, most people with this condition face depression because of how the society neglect them, I know some are just faking it probably to create attention.

I used to be disgusted by transgenders and have this hate feeling towards them, it was around two years ago I came across a transgender(female to male) video on Facebook, every hate feelings I've for transgenders fade off that moment, I heard about gender dysphoria, did research on it and the surprising things was most comments (probably Americans) applaud her courage.

johnydon22:
LOL. No its not.

Its a case of identity that is not factually correct.

Another Wikipedia source that uses the phrase "Assigned sex" this is a political phrase not scientific. Sex is not assigned by anyone, chromosomes are responsible for it at conception.

Jesus I can't believe I'm arguing this with a person.



Over the past several years, a range of civil society organizations as well as the governments of several Member States and the European Union Parliament have urged the WHO to remove categories related to transgender identity from its classification of mental disorders in the ICD‐1151, 52, 53.

One impetus for this advocacy has been an objection to the stigmatization that accompanies the designation of any condition as a mental disorder in many cultures and countries. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5032510

Misidentity is a delusion. Let me assume someone is born that way, people are born mentally unbalanced are still classified as mentally unbalanced


Pheeew another Wikipedia

Aberrational still.

Evangkatsoulis:


Are you saying wikipedia is not good reference? It puts its references at the bottom of the page.

sassysure:

Not quoting to join the topic.

Wonders will never end!
Is this actually tintingz? What happened?
I can actually quote u. U are the greatest miracle I have ever seen in this forum.
And I actually doff my cap for u cos it's not easy.
Hmn, I need to check well to see if it's cloned username.
Anyway, welcome to the land where people use their mind as it should be used.

tintingz:
Is this not the same Dr. McHugh a Catholic that defend abusive priests that sexually abuse children?

johnydon22:


I'd argue that she already is psychologically imbalance which is a leading causality to her transgender venture (his more so).

Sex is not a matter of choice, it is determined at conception just like every other feature in your body. Human sex is strictly biological and is printed in every cell that makes a human, there at least 6,500 genetic difference between men and women. so it cannot be cosmetically altered or changed, no matter what you do, mutilate, cosmetic surgery, once you are a biological male, you are a biological male.

identity on the other is mental, psychological. Who we are is in fact a projection of our thought and feelings which in fact can be factually right or wrong.

if you walk into a hospital now and say to the doctor, "I am Michael Jackson" and insist you are in fact the Michael jackson not Capslock anymore (I used capslock due to the absence of actual name) His diagnosis would be that you are delusional and an anti-psychotic prescription would be on your note.

But then you walk in and tell your doctor, I am a woman and not a man. He'd say "meh, you a transgender" if this is not just as much delusion as the former example then the problem is apparent.

Think about this.

tintingz:
Help me ask him o.

HajimeSaito:


Doctor McHugh is an agnostic. He does not identify with any religion.

CAPSLOCKED:



SIR,

IF YOU EVER FIND A MAN WHO BELIEVES HE'LL BE MORE COMFORTABLE IN THE BODY OF A DOG, PLEASE ALLOW HIM DO WHATEVER HE WANTS WITH HIS OWN BODY, AS AN ADULT CAPABLE OF BEARING THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS OWN ACTIONS, ESPECIALLY IF HIS DECISION WILL NOT IN ANY WAY AFFECT YOU, ANOTHER MAN, OR THE ENVIRONMENT.

THANKS.

Evangkatsoulis:


Even the so called Genuine sources actually reference other articles.

CAPSLOCKED:



SIR,

IF YOU EVER FIND A MAN WHO BELIEVES HE'LL BE MORE COMFORTABLE IN THE BODY OF A DOG, PLEASE ALLOW HIM DO WHATEVER HE WANTS WITH HIS OWN BODY, AS AN ADULT CAPABLE OF BEARING THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS OWN ACTIONS, ESPECIALLY IF HIS DECISION WILL NOT IN ANY WAY AFFECT YOU, ANOTHER MAN, OR THE ENVIRONMENT.

THANKS.

tintingz:
Does Wikipedia attach reference to their articles or not?

Gender dysphoria is no longer consider mental disorder, take it or leave it bro.

Evangkatsoulis:


Are you saying wikipedia is not good reference? It puts its references at the bottom of the page.

tintingz:
He's a religious freak!

tintingz:
What happens when four sources use the word "assigned gender"?

You just don't want to accept the study shown by scientists despite the studies provided, you still haven't provide any source that said gender dysphoria has no biological causes!

The article is about gender dysphoria, hello..?

These ones are Wikipedia abi?

Gender dysphoria occurs when there is a persistent sense of mismatch between one’s experienced gender and assigned gender.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/gender-dysphoria

Biological sex is assigned at birth, depending on the appearance of the genitals. Gender identity is the gender that a person "identifies" with or feels themselves to be.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

Gender dysphoria involves a conflict between a person's physical or assigned gender and the gender with which he/she/they identify.
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

Oga wether it's assigned gender or not that's not even the main case here.

festwiz:

...and what's it called again?

HajimeSaito:


Doctor McHugh is an agnostic. He does not identify with any religion.

tintingz:
Thank you, Even if he/she has the feeling of becoming a dragon or warewolf.

tintingz:
Thank you sir/ma. This is the real and only tintingz in this forum, you're surprised about the changes?

johnydon22:
I bet i can provide 10 sources that says the earth is flat.

If this doesn't make you understand how ridiculous you sound up there, i fear nothing will.

Biological sex can never be assigned at birth, it is strictly a biological process at conception which i have shown over and over again here.

Oh Jeez.

gender dysphoria is a recent classification of a condition known as gender identity disorder. This is sorely a political move as i have shown before and will also show again.

Cretella Michelle (2017) peered reviewed https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/07/03/im-pediatrician-transgender-ideology-infiltrated-field-produced-large-scale-child-abuse/

And this peered reviewed article also goes on to show how scientists and physicians who do not coincide with the recent political correct trend are black listed and made to lose jobs http://www.jpands.org/vol21no2/cretella.pdf

Amazing. Still at the same place. You know nothing of reproductive biology still throw gross nonsense about.

The main case here is:

Sex = biological
identity = psychological

A child raised by wolves would behave like wolves

Identity can be factually correct or factually wrong.

A tall person identifying as short is factually wrong.

A biological female identifying as male is factually wrong

And what we call factually wrong identification in psychology is mental delusion.

It beats me how a straight simplification can't be deducted here.

johnydon22:


And my argument have always maintained that the declassification of gender dysphoria as mental disorder is politically motivated not scientific.

Political trend is eroding scientific positions in many aspect of human life. Like Donald Trump denying climate change, you thinking sex can be assigned (which i think is more absurd than the former)

I can provide peer reviewed articles that shows Professionals (physicians and scientists) being black listed and losing their jobs because their position contradict the political position (Liberal political correction in a bid develop a victim's culture)

johnydon22:
No one is still arguing against this.

You can be what you want to be, this is not the premise of the argument. You lot should stick with the premise and leave this nonsensical rhetoric.

The point is, feeling like you are what you are not is a condition that is called mental disorder.

This is even one characteristics of full blown madness.

johnydon22:
So?

How does this invalidate his assertion?

sassysure:

I am shocked not surprised. I saw one post randomly one day and said maybe it's somebody else. This might not be him.
I'm so happy for u.
The aggressiveness has all gone.
If I ever come to a topic and u are there, I will just respect myself. Though I don't comment most times then but I do read your posts and believe u me, I pitched you with some religious fanatics then. Never knew u were passing through a transition.

I love this new u a lot.
Thank u.

tintingz:
You don't mind if there are sentiments in his assertion? A religious freak that defend sexual abusive priests?

tintingz:
My advise for you if you're in clinical field, if you diagnose your patient of gender dysphoria and call it mental illnesses, Sha don't let WHO hear or you will be fired for unprofessionalism.

tintingz:
Gender dysphoria is no mental disorder - WHO