Earthquake1:
Why is it that 98% of Islamic nations are backward?

dominique:
This Ihgalo is so sluggish, Rohr must never play him again

Full Time!

afonjaheadhunt:
We often read from the Yoruba media about the Oyo empire and how widespread and powerful this empire was, but no documents, finding or evidence any where in the world suggest these claims to be true only Yoruba folklore by the Yoruba revisionist elders and academicians, who have tried to rewrite their history by editing the feats of their conquerors to be That of Yorubas, but simple research or finding put all this claim to a fail test and simply portrays the Yorubas as a tribe that have been conquered since time immemorial as a matter of fact Yoruba land was split amongst to great African Kingdoms, Benin Kingdom and Dahomey kingdom this two kingdoms had their boundaries in present day south west Nigeria and shared the spoils of war within those bounds.

While every tribe in Nigeria have accounts of brutal wars with colonialist and invaders The Yorubas on their own part never confronted any of their colonialist or invaders they never challenged the Portuguese that gave Eko its name Lagos, the never confronted the British colonialists, they never challenged the Benin invaders whom became overlord in Lagos, installed a king and made Lagos a proxy of Benin kingdom, the old Oyo empire was overrun and brought to its knees by Dahomey women whom took their men as slaves, made their women maids and their children servants, The Fulani's conquered them in Illorin and installed an Emir, they Yorubas were over run by the Tiv, Nupe in Kabba and other Yoruba towns. Yorubas were simply a walk over in the history of Africa and the struggles for civilization and ethnic survival.

Yorubas claim that the Oyo empire stretches to Benin kingdom on the east and stretches to Benin republic and Togo on the west, this is one of the biggest lies ever told in the history of mankind, Africa and Nigeria as a nation. To be fair to history the reverse was actually the case. We all know that oduduwa who the Yorubas claim they are descendent from was actually a Benin prince whom went west to expand the Benin empire, the Yorubas on seeing the awe that came with the arrival and presence of Oduduwa the Benin prince pledge loyalty and support to him and rallied around him in Ile Ife which also became a Benin proxy like Lagos whom the Benins overruled. What the Yorubas refer to as Oyo empire was simply a administrative province for Benin Kingdom and Dahomey Kingdom being the center of both great empires.

On the western part it is common knowledge that the Dahomey women who from the Benin/Togo axis Present day Togo, moved and conquered eastward from the present day Togo to the present day Oyo state in south west Nigeria. Many parts of Yoruba land still speak a very corrupted version of the language of the Dahomey female warriors from Benin/Togo axis, Today you still find some Yoruba slave settlement in Benin/Togo the Yoruba slaves have been integrated in their society with coming of the white man, Slave trade and civilization. The Yorubas in Benin/Togo were slaves and spoils of war to Dahomey Kingdom, the Yorubas in Togo are ancestral descendants of Yorubas in present day south west Yoruba land in Nigeria. The relationship between the Yorubas and Benin/Togo is nothing short of a conqueror and conquered relationship or slave master relationship.

South west was divided and ruled by two great kingdoms. Benin Kingdom ruled to the west in Ile Ife axis down to Lagos, while present day Togo republic ruled to the East stretching all the way to Ibadan and Oyo present day Oyo state, Nigeria. However with the coming of the British to Nigeria Yorubas were wise to buy into the media and developed the media industry not just in Nigeria but west Africa at large and they used the media to rewrite and revisit history. However they can only deform those who are not versed to access informations as the Benin/Togo and Benin kingdom still have their very documented history which have been corroborated by the British, Portuguese, French missionaries and colonialist. Yoruba history on the other hand are simply revisions and revised history of the Benin/Togo and Benin Kingdoms history.

The fact that Yoruba history says they are descendants of Oduduwa whom they claim fell from the sky, when in truth he was actually a Benin prince on an expansionist journey, this gives credence to the fact that Yorubas have no record of their history and the one they take pride in is simply a fallacious mirage.

NOTE: This post was summarized so Nairalanders can read to the end, some accounts, excerpts, dates and events have been removed to keep it short. You can do some research to get more information or get in touch for the full context therein.

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FSU:
Most AAs were from West Africa, and a good number of them have Igbo lineage. Of course there are Yoruba, Togo, Ghana, etc ancestries too.

The non west African AAs were from Gabon and Angola, Cameroon, etc.

The Hollywood actor Samuel L Jackson has traced his ancestry to Gabon.

It would be bare-faced false for any single African ethnic group to claim even 60% AA. Otherwise that group should be held responsible for committing and facilitating human slavery. After all, there is no evidence that white people came into the African hinterland to raid and capture Africans. It was Africans who raided, captured, and sold themselves to equally willing and despicable white slave co-traders waiting on their ships at the Atlantic coasts.

igbodefender:


Bros, 80% of the ancestors Afro Americans of the Americas, like US Afro Americans, Haitians Afro Brazilians, etc were Igbo. I know you might say how can that be, since you had people sold into slavery from Angola, Congo, etc.

The thing is; there were Igbo slave colonies built in these countries as sought of concentration camps for the Igbo slaves. For instance, the city of Ebo in Angola. The articles below say more ( I think 90% of the findings pass my test:

[b]We proudly maintain that 80% of the ancestors of Afro Americans of the Americas were of Igbo origin. Some came to America directly from Igbo Land. Others had to pass Igbo slave colonies in Angola, Congo, etc.

The ones that came from Bight of Benin were the Lucumis, the Igbo Aborigines of Ile Ife in today’s Yoruba Land.

Indigenous Lucumi speakers can still be found in Aniocha North, in Igbo Land today, even though the language needs to be boosted.

Source: http://afroamerican.igbodefender.com

By

Ishaq D. Al-Sulaimani
Vernon (Alufiel) Grier, Ed.D

THE GREATER IGBO NATION(IDENTIFYING IGBO VARIANTS
DURING THE ERA OF THE SLAVE TRADE)
INTRODUCTION

It is universally recognized that Igbo is the correct spelling of the tribe that currently comprises the majority of the inhabitants of south-eastern Nigeria and of whom are readily associated with the Biafran revolution, however during the time of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade the”Igbo Nation “ was divided into a number of sub-tribe variant
identities which were most commonly expressed in the Egbo,Egba Ebo and Ibo forms.

The purpose of this writing is to promote the understanding that the majority of the captives taken from Africa for enslavement in the Americas were of Igbo origins by identifying the role of the sub-tribe variants during the slave trade and their recognized status as being part of a once greater and more inclusive Igbo identity.

The majority of Igbo intellectuals continue to teach that the Igbo
variants such as the Ibo,Ebo,and Egbo are European corruptions of
the exclusively indigenous and proper Igbo.

In defense of their claim they often site the words of James Africanus Beale Horton who states that the Igbo spelling is the original of the nation,while avoiding his more detailed description concerning the indigenous usages of Ibo,Ebo and Egbo as it relates to the inhabitants of various towns and regions.

“ Egbo, Igbo, Ebo and Ibo are the various spellings met within books
describing the race that inhabits part of the coast. Amongst the soft Isuama and Elugu the soft Ibo or Ebo is used but amongst the inhabitants of the coast such as Bonny and Okrika the harsher name Egbo is prevalent. In the interior north of the territory the nations are called Igbo which appears more the original name of the inhabitants.” (HORTON 1969:154)

The altering of the name Igbo was initially implemented with the intent
of establishing independence from the “Greater Igbo entity”,while at the same time maintaining the natural ancestral link with the main and originating body.

The often hostile reaction and rejection on the part of the Igbo towards the seceding Egbo, Ebo and Ibo gradually weakened the bonds of brotherhood ultimately resulting in the emergence of such “non-Igbo” tribes as the Efik, Ibibio and Oron of Calabar,the Egba and Igbo-Mina of Yorubaland and the Ewe and Ga of Ghana and the Fongbe of Dahomey.

The altering of the letters in a name to create an independent identity
such as that of Egbo,Ebo,and Ibo which at some “ ancient “ point derived out of the original Igbo continued after the Biafran War in regards to the Iwerre people as pointed out by Professor Ben O. Nwabueze.

“ It is well to note that of the Igbo border communities in Benue State
as well as those in and around Port Hacourt now strenuously disclaim
their Igbo identity. This disclaimer is manifest in practical terms by the
latter changing their names of their villages by prefixing them with a “ R “ so that Umuokoro becomes Rumuokoro, Umuigbo becomes Rumuigbo, Umumasi becomes Rumumasi,Umukorusha becomes Rumukorosha and so on. The intention is to make them not look or sound like Igbo names.”

Throughout this presentation I will be using Igbo as an umbrella term
describing the tribe in a general sense and as a specific reference for the majority of the tribe presently inhabiting Southeastern Nigeria and of whom are readily associated with the Biafran revolution. Egbo will primarily refer to the Efik and Ibibio also known as the Cross River or Ekpe Tribes.

The term Ebo will refer to the Igbo descended Mina Tribes of Ghana and Benin(Dahomey) which include the Ewe, Fon(Fongbe) and the Ga-Adangbe. The Ebo classification will also include the Igbo descended captives of Angola, while Ibo will be applied historically to the “ Western Igbo “ and those of Mozambique.

Egba will be used to describe the largest Igbo descended tribe living in
Yorubaland (Southwest Nigeria) inhabiting the Osugun State,while Igbo-Mina will address another Igbo descended tribe living in the Kwara State of Yorubaland.

Igbos from Angola were also known as Ebo.
The city Ebo still exists in Angola. The Gullah whose name derives from Angola are an African-American community who live on the Sea Isles off of the coast of Georgia and South Carolina areas which record a majority of Angolan captives.

The Gullah are currently engaged in a strenuous battle to secure a memorial at a site called Ebo Landing. Ebo Landing was named in memory of the countless Ebo who drowned themselves in protest of their enslavement.


Similar to the Igbo of the east,the western Igbo descended Egba were
always known to be revolutionaries in continual revolt against the Colonial British authorities, European missionaries, and their traditional Yoruba enemies being primarily that of the Oyo and Ijebu. In 1929 the Igbo market woman of the east led a tax revolt against the Colonial British Government which became known as the Abia Women’s Tax Revolt. The Egba women carried out a similar tax revolt in 1947 known as the Abeokuta Women’s Tax Revolt of Egba Market Women. The Egba market women were led by Fumilayo Ransome Kuti,a teacher and wife of a prominent Egba educationalist. The protest of over 10,000 Egba women caused the governing authorities to abolish taxes on women for several years and the Alake who conspired with the Colonial authorities spent three years in exile in Oshogbo.

Many of the positive social and ethical traits which are often associated with the Igbo are historically documented as being characteristic of the Egba as well. Robert Campbell who along with Martin Robison Delaney signed a pact with Egba leaders for the right of resettlement of African – Americans to “ Egbaland” states that the Egba are the most industrious people on the face of the earth.(Burton 1863:101)

James Africanus Beale Horton concerning the Egba(Akus):
“ It must be admitted without question that there are no people on the coast who are so hard working and so long suffering in proportion to what they expect in return. “ He also went on to say that the Egba as a race are amongst the most industrious, perservering and hard working people on the coast of Africa.(Horton 1969:149)

In terms of education the Egba like the Igbo are deserving of great acclaim. The first Black-African to receive a nobel prize in Literature was an Egba man named Wole Soyinka who like the Igbo actively opposed the Nigerian Government during the Biafran War. Soyinka was detained by agents of the state between 1967 and 1969.

In this regard Booker T. Washington whose middle name Tanifeani attests to Egba origins should be noted as the founder of the famous Tuskeegee Institute.

In Brazil an organized Ibo revolt led to the establishment of the Independent “Ibo Republic” of Palmares which lasted 45 years. Being consistent with “ Igbo resistance “ Palmares ended in a massive suicide of Ibo warriors who preferred death to capture. The city Ibotirama testifies to a strong Ibo presence in the region,however as in the case of Haiti, Afro-Brazilian culture and religious practices are more readily associated with that of the “ Yoruba “(Egba) including
the worship of Legba.

Olukwumu is spoken in Brazil and interestingly enough in a few Western Ibo communities such as Anioma, Idumu-ogu,Ubulubu,Ugbodu,Ugboba and Okwumuzu.In fact communities bearing the name Olukwumu(Olukumi) still exist amongst the Western Ibo. Although this dialect cannot be found in the Yoruba heartland it remains in reference as a “ lost dialect of the Yoruba Language”. All of the above clearly indicates that many of the captives in Brazil including those who successfully revolted in the establishment of

Palmares were of western Ibo origins and like the Egba are being mistakenly classified as Yoruba. In Brazil the Western Ibo were accompanied by a massive importing of Ebos from Angola and Ibos from Mozambique,the latter further accounting for the dominant and preferable Ibo usage amongst the Brazilian captives.

In Cuba the Olukwumu were referred to as the Olukumi,Lukumi or Akumi. The Egba have traditionally resisted identification with the term Yoruba preferring to be called Egbas or Akus. Slaves in Cuba known as the Lukumi or Akumi meaning of the Egba people were well known for suicide resistance which often found them hanging from the branches of the Guasima trees. This being very similar to the “Igbo” resisters of Haiti who were likewise remembered for suicide resistance as understood in the Haitian saying; Ebos pend cor a yo
meaning the Ebos hang themselves. The relationship between the names Olukwumu and Olukumi with that of Akumi (Aku or Egba) further solidifies the common origins which link the Western Ibo and the Egba peoples.

The Egba who like the Igbo were originally known as forest dwellers are
acknowledged to have been at one time living east of their present day location.

The process which led to the vanquished links of brotherhood between the Igbo and the Egba can be characterized by the often strained relations that currently exist between some of the eastern and western Igbo communities of today.
[/b] Read the whole thing here: http://www.igbodefender.com/2018/04/14/​the-greater-igbo-nation-by-ishaq-d-al-sulaimani/#more-738

prolog2:
Read again, and read well this time:

Look kid, the important thing is not that the autor is foreign ! Nobody gives a fvck about the origin of the autor !!!!! All that matters are the dates in which the documents were written. To describe an event which allegedly took place at date A, you need documents written at date A.
And stop just throwing names, just post the alleged documents and point out what you are quoting in the documents. That is how it is done !
Like that the people whom you are talking to can verify by themselves if your document is authentic and if the quote actually exists.
Also, don't post documents quoting other documents, just post the original thing ! Let me check the date and the quote !

prolog2:
Read again, and read well this time:

Look kid, the important thing is not that the autor is foreign ! Nobody gives a fvck about the origin of the autor !!!!! All that matters are the dates in which the documents were written. To describe an event which allegedly took place at date A, you need documents written at date A.
And stop just throwing names, just post the alleged documents and point out what you are quoting in the documents. That is how it is done !
Like that the people whom you are talking to can verify by themselves if your document is authentic and if the quote actually exists.
Also, don't post documents quoting other documents, just post the original thing ! Let me check the date and the quote !

prolog2:
Look kid, the important thing is not that the autor is foreign ! Nobody gives a fvck about the origin of the autor !!!!! All that matters are the dates in which the documents were written. To describe an event which allegedly took place at date A, you need documents written at date A.
And stop just throwing names, just post the alleged documents and point out what you are quoting in the documents. That is how it is done !
Like that the people whom you are talking to can verify by themselves if your document is authentic and if the quote actually exists.
Also, don't post documents quoting other documents, just post the original thing ! Let me check the date and the quote !

prolog2:
I really need to stop replying you. Come to france and learn how to use your brain. I am not going to waste my time trying to educate you here.
To tell you the truth, I am tired of this back and forth. You are trying to debate things which are obvious to me. History is the study of historical documents. In order to claim that an event took place at date A, you need documents writen in the period of A which state that claim. (I don't even get the point where you are talking about "your lecturer". I could probably give lessons to your "lecturer".)
I know you guys are not really interested in history, you are interested in rewriting history which is why you want to quote documents recently written. You see a guy who is rewriting history can not magically write his documents in the years 1800. That is one of the reasons the date of documents is very important (it is a first test for fraudsters).
Ofcourse the fake-story peddlers will not like these kinds of restrictions eventhough that is the norm everywhere.
By the way, I wrote this: https://symboliclogiques.files./2016/03/thc3a9orie-formelle-des-catc3a9gories.pdf
I shouldn't have to show what I do, but when talking with juveniles who won't listen to reason, what else can one do ?
Just accept the fact that right now, you are just too dumb to talk to me. Period. Get educated and then look at the subject with an open mind, not a yorubacentric mind !

prolog2:
I really need to stop replying you. Come to france and learn how to use your brain. I am not going to waste my time trying to educate you here.
To tell you the truth, I am tired of this back and forth. You are trying to debate things which are obvious to me. History is the study of historical documents. In order to claim that an event took place at date A, you need documents writen in the period of A which state that claim. (I don't even get the point where you are talking about "your lecturer". I could probably give lessons to your "lecturer".)
I know you guys are not really interested in history, you are interested in rewriting history which is why you want to quote documents recently written. You see a guy who is rewriting history can not magically write his documents in the years 1800. That is one of the reasons the date of documents is very important (it is a first test for fraudsters).
Ofcourse the fake-story peddlers will not like these kinds of restrictions eventhough that is the norm everywhere.
By the way, I wrote this: https://symboliclogiques.files./2016/03/thc3a9orie-formelle-des-catc3a9gories.pdf
I shouldn't have to show what I do, but when talking with juveniles who won't listen to reason, what else can one do ?
Just accept the fact that right now, you are just too dumb to talk to me. Period. Get educated and then look at the subject with an open mind, not a yorubacentric mind !

prolog2:
What a load of crap. Most of what you wrote didn't come with a source and the only few sources you had were from the 1990's.
This must be a joke, I am laughing. You yoruba really believe that you can just make up your "history". Well, it doesn't work like that, the aim of history is to discover the past, not to make up a fictional past. I really don't know how to say it so that you understand: you are too dumb to actually have a conversation with me. Imagine kids in kindergarten trying to debate you. that is exactly what is happening with you trying to debate me. I see each flaws in your reasoning and I feel very insulted that such a poor mind thinks he can actually debate me.
At least, go and educate yourself for at least 7 years and then come back and debate me. Right now you don't have what it takes.
In a logical debate claims do not matter, what matters are the proof. You give absolutely no proof. It is just claim after claim and then you call your claims education ! Basically, you are preaching your dogma and confusing it with science. Not adhering to your dogma is seen as being uneducated by your narrow mind.
Just do yourself a favour and go and learn how to think. Given your lack of intelligence, it will take at leats 7 years.
One question though: why do yoruba always think the aim in a debate is to impose their vue ? To me, the aim in a debate is to get to the truth weither you are wrong or right. If all you are after is imposing your point then trying to dupe the percieved enemy is the next step. And this is why you and your fellow yoruba always engage in 419 tactics while in debates.
You have to approach debates in the same way as Gallileo. The opponent is more of a coworker than an actual ennemy. The aim is to get to the absolute truth and you are both working towards that aim.

resurgentxtian4:
I usually attack igbos when they mock Yorubas but on this one, they are justified.

The act of the oba of iwo just busted the myth of religious harmony in yorubaland. The Muslims have just begun a journey to destroy whatever peace we have managed to keep in yorubaland.

Okoyeebos:


Actually, Igbos aren't Jews of anywhere. The lies told by generations of Igbos suffering from inferiority complex were busted when a team of scientists from Israel conducted DNA tests of Igbos and stated that they had no genetic links to the Jews.

That being clear, I can boldly say Igbos didn't originate from anywhere. They evolved from monkeys and are the subject of Charles Darwin's evolution theory.

That is the only logical reason why no one has been able to trace their history and ancestry.

prolog2:
When were your great-great grand parents brought back to africa by the british once they were freed from slavery ?
When exactly did the freed slaves and their descendents decide to call themselves yoruba ?
When did they decide to start making up their "history" ?

PrecisionFx:



Nope, he wasn't a leader. He was follower .

omohayek:

All that “Oduduwa came from Mecca” crap is just the product of a few sick minds who allowed preachers of a foreign religion to inculcate in them an inferiority complex. The city of Ile Ife already existed when Mohammed was supposedly receiving his visions, and the best linguistic evidence suggests Yoruba and Igala had become separate languages as much as 1,000 years before Islam was even founded, so Yoruba civilisation owes nothing to Mecca or anywhere else in the Middle East.

As far as Oduduwa in particular is concerned, serious modern scholarship indicates he actually existed, but the Ife he came to was already a flourishing and wealthy city (not a mere “village”) by the time Oduduwa got there, with Obatala being the ruler until Oduduwa finally managed to overthrow him sometime later. There is zero serious evidence that Oduduwa wasn’t himself a native-born Yoruba by culture, just that he didn’t come from Ife, which was not the only Yoruba city even then. What does seem true is that Oduduwa inaugurated a new kind of kingship, and that this spread through much of Yorubaland and beyond through his descendants.

prolog2:
You are one funny fellow.
Let me break it down for you: I do not work for you !
What in your sick brain makes you thing you can just throw all these claims at me and expect me to respond to all of them at once as if I were a robot working for you ?

PrecisionFx:



And who said leaders don't run away? Did u read that in Afonjanistani constitution

Didn't Bin Laden run away?

Didn't Ghaddafi run away? .

Didn't Ghadaffi run away .

We told ojukwu to leave for ivory coast because we are smart people. And it worked out perfectly for us and we have never complained.

One thing Yorubas fail to understand is that we don't blame Ojukwu for everything that happened to us before, during and after the civil war. We know he stepped in to protect us and we also know that if his life will grant us freedom from this Shiithole, He will gladly give his life.

The real question is - WHY ARE YORUBA PEOPLE MASTURBATING ON THIS ISSUE.

unknownsolja:


bloody bastard idiot quoting a dwarf in a movie..so the ethopians jews are what?you are still a kid..quit watching movies..dummy

schurley:
I think its hightime we erase the myth about the Igbo connection to Jew origin .History always have a funny way of linking people of different language, culture and heritage with each other, but however if you understand History you will get to know that the origin of most Afrian race is shrouded in antiquity, thus the slightest materialistic evidence, and similiarity in culture common to two tribes or ethnic may be used by some Historians in deciding connections of different people, tribe and as to where they origininated from.


Several historian have traced the History of the igbo to Israel, Japan among others,country in Asian. Same thing was recorded of the Yoruba peolpe.Notable Historian like Toyin Falola ,Samuel Johnson acclaimed in their text that the Yoruba originated from Mecca and Egypt and through migration came all the way to iIle-Ife to reside.


The same way the people Jukun, Igala, Ijaw, Irobo,Tiv among others have stories of their origin traced to the Middle east ,some part in Asia continent and the world at large .


But the truth be told, till date so many tribe and ethnic group in Nigeria and Africa at large still find it difficult tracing their origin, thus the unnecessary claim to certain sect of individual.


As regard the igbo origin, Archaeological evidence has immensely contributed to the reconstruction of their history and shed more light on their past. The discovery of the Nok art and other cultural materials by Archaeologist in Enugu and other Eastern region has however revealed to us that the igbos have been in their present geographical location right from 1500BC ,thus discarding various migrational origin theory by some Historians as regard to the igbo origin.

unknownsolja:


look at this little child born today talking poo.what do you know about history

ApexPredator:


Judaism is a religion no different than Islam or Christianity. Igbos were practicing Judaism before Christianity. Only in your colonized state of mind is it alright for Igbo people to practice European ROMAN catholic christianity but not "Judaism" that was the first Abrahamic religion in West Africa.