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|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by some-girl: 1:48am On Dec 04|
a suffix meaning “resembling,” “like,” used in the formation of adjectives and nouns (and often implying an incomplete or imperfect resemblance to what is indicated by the preceding element): alkaloid; anthropoid; cardioid; cuboid; lithoid; ovoid; planetoid.
Umu is an Igbo word used by Igbo speakers and rumu (Ikwerre) also meaning child is like umu and is an Igboid word.
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by some-girl: 11:57pm On Dec 03|
So clearly, the issue isn't grabbing land of those who identify as Igbo after all cos Lagos is clearly not Igbo land. Distancing yourselves from people who could potentially claim your land anyways whether or not you agree to being one of them is pointless after all. That's beside the point however.
I'm predominantly from Imo State.
Your comment implies that there is an Igbo language which Ika dialects/ languages differ from. Can you please clarify which of the Igbo dialects or Igboid languages (if you prefer to see refer to them as such) is the standard Igbo langauge, which you have compared your dialects/ languages with.
The emboldened statement puzzles me as I believe language and culture are all that is required to establish a relationship between groups. What are the "all other factors" that are different?
If your statement was made in reference to origin, still makes no sense as you know various Igbos groups have different origins and histories.
Unless there is evidence that a place name like "Umunede" was corrupted by Igbo settlers or Umu also means children or something else in Bini langauge and Bini towns/ villages exist which are named in that format, the name indicates the presence of Igbos in the area whether they be indigenous people or fellow migrants, who named the place after Ede, "the Bini migrant".
I understand your argument of not wanting to be grouped as Igbo however even if all Igboid groups were lumped together under a different name, there would still be those who would seek to separate themselves. The Igbo classification isn't the issue.
By the emboldened statement you have admitted to being of the same stock as other Igbo sub groups/ Igboid groups whether or not you choose to dissociate yourselves from the group name.
I think most people who've participated in this debate seek/ sought to make it clear to all that you speak an Igbo dialect/ Igboid language.
I for one, do not dispute your claim that some Ika people have Bini links. This is only natural given your location.
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by some-girl: 10:03pm On Dec 02|
^^"Umu" is Igbo, "rumu" is Igboid.
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by some-girl: 1:41pm On Dec 02|
Good to know you're better now
The above are few of many misconceptions. If Delta Igbos have been described as lazy, I'm unaware of this.
Growing up I knew Bendel-Igbos as Igbos who happen to be located in Bendel state and Ndonis as Igbos in Rivers state.
What people don't seem to understand is that Igbos are very clannish. Even within what is known as "core" Igboland, we have reservations about people from other states, LGAs, villages even family compounds
But when push comes to shove, we are Igbo.
I read all the time that Igbos are land grabbers and expansionistic especially from Ikwerres, this is another major misconception.
The Mbaise man has never attempted to grab the land of his Owerre neighbour neither has the Nsuka man claimed Oka land as his.
Igbos acquired a huge chunk of Ikwerre land, fair and square and any lands they now occupy. Nobody's fault if one decides to sell his father's compound to a stranger who has the means to purchase it.
Like I mentioned in an earlier post, we all have some mix of something non-"core" Igbo hence the difference in dialects.
Your being Igbo or not, doesn't put or remove food from anyone's table. I'm just intrigued by viewpoints in this debate hence my participation.
I can't understand how someone would distance himself from Igbo and cite his source as Onu -Ika, (voice/ mouthpiece of Ika in Igbo language) and how a people called Umunede are Bini originally.
The difference between your dialect and other Igbo dialects is not more significant, in my opinion and I stand to be corrected, than the difference between Oratta and Ohafia or Abiriba and Nsuka.
On a side note, what I also don't understand is how and why people who claim to have migrated from elsewhere are protective of land that doesn't originally belong to them. Ikwerres claim to be Bini migrants just as you do, that would mean the lands you now occupy belong to a different group originally.
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by some-girl: 9:54pm On Dec 01|
hun, our values differ. I haven't said ours are better than yours. The guilty are afraid.
Having lived in Port Harcourt, I find it fairly easy to differentiate an Igbo person from an Ikwerre.
Yours is an Igboid group not an Igbo sub group.
Igbos who grew up in PH know better than to fraternize with you.
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by some-girl: 4:33pm On Dec 01|
I would say he did Igbos a disservice by mentioning Ikwerres as Igbo.
You are right, we are different in looks, poise, behaviour and values.
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by some-girl: 3:47pm On Dec 01|
Sure dear, shoot......
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by some-girl: 10:42pm On Nov 30|
chux4liv: But record doesnt have it that umunede got colonised by bini rather it was formed by one of the prince of bini King called Ede and wife Iye.
Just out of curiousity....
Why is the clan formed by this man Ede called Umunede? That's clearly an Igbo name. Is there an original place name which was corrupted by Igbos?
I'm sure Bini has their own word for "children" and way of saying "children of" or "children who". Are there any Bini towns named in that format? i.e "children of......", "children who......" as is done in Igbo areas?
Well, Eze Chima/ Chime has been cited by several sources as having been the Bini founding father of Onitsha and some parts of Delta-Igbo. If this is true, then there you have your record of an Igbo man who fled Bini as "ch" sound is not found in Bini language or west of Bini.
|Family / Re: Nigerian Killed By A Lorry After Storming Out Of Car During Row With Wife In UK by some-girl: 4:15am On Nov 29|
He is known to be very imaginative. Please indulge him.
|Culture / Re: Why Do Igbo People Detest Marrying Other Tribes? by some-girl: 4:08am On Nov 29|
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|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by some-girl: 10:28pm On Nov 27|
This debate isn't worth the trading insults over. I'm of the opinion that "Delta-Igbos" are Igbos with some Bini ancestry rather than Bini with some Igbo ancestry.
The relatively few migrants from Bini would have met indigenous people in the areas they migrated to with whom they'd have intermarried. It is therefore incorrect for any to state that they aren't Igbo as the history of the group that is now known as Igbo is diverse. Most of us have a mix of something non "core Igbo" somewhere which I believe accounts for the significant difference in dialect and traditions.
If a Bini man marries as Igbo woman, they have a son who marries an Igbo woman, who has a son who marries an Igbo woman etc, their descendants would eventually be more Igbo by blood than Bini.
So while it is key to acknowledge any known (and confirmed) origin, it would be incorrect to dismiss (what might be) the major part of one's composition in favour of (what might be) the less significant part.
P.s Bini language doesn't have "ch" as a sound/ alphabet so Eze Chima/ Chime couldn't have been Bini or an ancestor of ethnic Bini migrants.
One does have a right to identify with any group he chooses to identify with at the end of the day, whether or not he is viewed differently by others.
|Celebrities / Re: Jude Okoye, Others Unhappy With Peter's Marriage by some-girl: 2:58am On Nov 23|
peppy luv: Igbo men marry experied yoruba women?? Lol u are a very dry comedian! Try again!
The emboldened is my opinion as well + they have two children and Igbo men generally don't like to have children with more than one woman.
If she were full Yoruba, it would have been harder for an Anambra man to have gotten involved in the first place.
I think Jude's stance should be respected as all those ranting could never care about his brother's well-being and happiness more than he does. He and other family members who didn't attend must have had good reason not to especially if their late mother never approved of her.
Whether the allegations are unfounded or not, I personally wouldn't want my brother or son to marry a woman considerably older.
On the other hand, Peter's decision to marry her despite the allegations should also be respected. He is a grown man after all.
Wish them Happy Married Life.
|Culture / Re: Yoruba Prince Dayo Weds Cameroonian Beauty, Singer Naomi Achu! by some-girl: 7:18pm On Nov 21|
I spoke to a Western Cameroonian once and initially thought he was Igbo, Ibibio/ Efik or Rivers non-Igbo, in this order.
He'd never been to Nigeria.
Our accents aren't significantly different.
|Celebrities / Re: Teebillz Daughter & Tiwa Savage’s Step-daughter (Picture) by some-girl: 2:42am On Nov 21|
erm....same reason most Nigerian men would leave an otherwise perfect woman just because she has a child.
|Culture / Re: Yoruba Prince Dayo Weds Cameroonian Beauty, Singer Naomi Achu! by some-girl: 2:27am On Nov 21|
onila: parents of the couple
My Igbo aunty on the left
|Family / Re: Are You Sending Your Housemaids To School? by some-girl: 4:01pm On Nov 19|
As long as people continue to irresponsibly birth more children than they can take care of, there will always be the issue of child labour.
I personally see nothing wrong with fostering someone else's child in order to provide the child with a standard of living their parents aren't able to provide them with. I also see nothing wrong with designating age appropriate tasks to a child I choose to foster, tasks I'm able to designate to my own children.
I won't ask my 12 yr old to cook, take care of a baby, go shopping, clean the entire house, bathe another child, do laundry (even theirs) etc....so I wouldn't expect another person's 12 yr old to those.
I would however, expect my 16yr old to ASSIST with preparing meals, watch a baby for a short period, do some light cleaning, go to the shops, begin to do their own laundry...etc so I would have no issues designating such tasks to someone around that age.
Whether or not they are sent to school, it's unfair to give them more chores than you'd have your own children do.
If you need a house keeper or nanny, employ an adult!
What breaks my heart is seeing people sending their house helps to hawk on the streets. They could do that from their parents' homes if their parents wanted that for them.
One needs to remember that it is hard on these helps to have been forced to leave their parents' homes to live with, in most cases, an absolute stranger. If we put ourselves in their shoes, we'd be more sympathetic or at least empathetic to their plight.
|Jokes Etc / Re: A Black Man Will Do Anything To Please The White Man! by some-girl: 1:52am On Oct 26|
You mean to make money not please a white man. The man is doing his job, wouldn't have mattered if the riding kissers where of a different race.
|Celebrities / Re: Gentle Jack With His Wife And Son. (photos) by some-girl: 1:34pm On Oct 22|
|Culture / Re: Igbo Traditional Music and Musical Instruments by some-girl: 1:07am On Oct 21|
^ Nna you're welcome . Onye nwe anyi gozie kwa gi.
Truly, the sound of the Oja quickens its listener(s). I remember watching Unoka use the Oja to stir and prepare Okonkwo for the wrestling match with Amalinze "the cat" in Things Fall Apart. Even as a child I thoroughly enjoyed that scene and the music.
Such a beautiful story of your grandparents' courting, that was when life was much simpler. Ka nna gi ukwu n'ezuo ike udo.
|Culture / Re: Somali And Korean Wedding! (korean Dude And Somali Princess) by some-girl: 3:48pm On Oct 19|
On a Nigerian site? You seem to forget where you are. You can take your private conversation and inconsequential pride elsewhere. (A) truly proud person/ people won't keep trying to convince themselves of their self worth.
It's the Mods I blame. Allowing scum post on this site.
|Culture / Re: Somali And Korean Wedding! (korean Dude And Somali Princess) by some-girl: 1:57am On Oct 19|
istahil: A Somali woman with a Korean is something i have never seen before. I am sure she will regret it once she realizes that her children's culture will not be the same as her forefathers. Eradicating your culture through intermarriage is a form of self hate in my opinion. But I can see how some who find the appeal of being different (who have low self worth) are naturally immune from the natural biological need to spread not only your culture but your blood line. I have seen a few Somalis who married non Somalis, and many of them regret it, and many have divorced. Despite that, I am always skeptical when a woman marries a man who is different from her (as usually it's for money or their idealistic). Marriage as it is, is very hard to maintain with half of marriages ending in divorce in some parts of the world, but to take the additional risk of getting married to a non somali, and having a non somali child, and then returning to your parents in the hopes you will another somali man to take you and your half breed is something worth noting. I am a proud Somali, and will always stay within my culture and marry a Somali man. The idea of having a child who looks different than me staring at me and a husband who doesn't know my language is creepy. Plus Somali men are much more attractive and braver than any korean or asians I have ever met as Asians are very mild mannered and all look like clones of each other. If my predictions are correct this guy had a lot of money and the girl is doing it for the money.
Same as somalians. You all look exactly the same.
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by some-girl: 1:58am On Oct 16|
agbotaen: 1. this is news for ika people , the obi of igbodo who decided to take an igbo woman from ebonyi , whom tradition of igbodo rejects and calls a foreigner , due to this the people of igbodo went to the palace and threw the woman out, yesterday the obi has decided to follow the igbodo tradition and marry an igbodo indegene, the towns people says their tradition has it that their king must marry an igbodo person , and if he cannot at least he should marry an ika or anioma person that understands kingship , unlike some tribes .
Your post contains no great revelation. Haven't you heard of communities opposed to their natives marrying from outside their community? Happens all over Igboland and Africa in case you didn't know. Abiriba people, for example, tend to marry within their sub group, even ones abroad have to take wives from back home.
|Culture / Re: Igbo Traditional Music and Musical Instruments by some-girl: 1:46am On Oct 16|
I don't dislike highlife, it's just not a genre I'm partial to. I would listen to almost any kind of music if the rhythm, lyrics or memory it evokes appeals to me.
How about you?
|Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by some-girl: 12:54am On Oct 13|
Wow, didn't realize Igbo and Bini were so similar. If I listen well enough, I just might understand Bini.
We must have come from the same source.
|Culture / Re: Igbo Traditional Music and Musical Instruments by some-girl: 12:42am On Oct 13|
Indeed it is
|Culture / Re: Igbo Traditional Music and Musical Instruments by some-girl: 11:40pm On Oct 11|
i'm not a great fan of high life but I did like some of Oliver De Coque's songs.
One I would listen to even now is An'enwe Obodo Enwe
and Omalicha by Amaka
|Culture / Re: Igbo Traditional Music and Musical Instruments by some-girl: 3:08pm On Oct 11|
I've seen them used in Imo as well. It's a shame that we don't know the name
NRI PRIEST: Okpokolo...a smaller type of ekwe but flat.
The Oja is unmistakeable. But yes, you can't have traditional music without the Ekwe and Ogene.
I saw the Okpokolo, many years ago and the Alo too, It isn't handheld like the Ogene and has one "bell". Do you have pictures?
ifyalways: Beautiful thread. I miss the women choir of All saints cathedral , Onitsha. Days when church was church and "kwaya" was "kwaya" as opposed to what is obtainable these days.
I loved loved loved village Kwaya music lol. Those people could sing and perform.
Some of the rhythms stuck in my head and I've tried humming to many people hoping some one can match the sounds with the songs.
There's a wedding song that has the words ......"ka mu na gi biri"...... was sung in a Catholic church. Still looking for someone who knows that song.
shymexx: Interesting thread.
No one claimed it originated in Igbo land but we now have our own style of highlife music
|Culture / Re: Igbo Traditional Music and Musical Instruments by some-girl: 5:51am On Oct 11|
What is it called
|Culture / Re: Igbo Traditional Music and Musical Instruments by some-girl: 5:14am On Oct 11|
Unlike the okike and ọdu mkpalo-alo, enenke is a horn produced from the wild animal called ene - deer. Its function is quite different from the other two.
Other types of horn-trumpets like Ntutu or Ogbo from mkpi-atu, buffalo, or bush goats, and even the horn of rams which are used for committal music may be classified under Enenke.
Hearing it at midnight signifies danger or death. Late evenings may be for the heralding of mortuary rites. In the mornings, it may be for festivals, marriage attendance or a call for emergency meetings at the village square. In burials, great men and heroes go home to the sound of enenke. Also, in bringing home the symbolic corpse of a deceased Nwada (daughter of the community), the ceremony is heralded with the sound of enenke, songs and dances.
|Culture / Re: Igbo Traditional Music and Musical Instruments by some-girl: 5:04am On Oct 11|
Ọdu-mkpala-alọ is a short form of okike which must be held by the Igbo Ọzọ titled man. Unlike the okike which is heavy and long, odu-mkpa-alọ is held constantly on any occasion, be it marriage, death or a town gathering. It is associated with the red cap and eagle feathers for the ọzọ man and must be exhibited always for social recognition. Most of the time the holders are not experts in blowing it, but they need to hold it as occasion warrants.
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