budaatum:

Please show me one religion that does not discourage killing, or stealing!

I doubt you'd see the error in your thinking. Are religions meant to fall down from heaven before humans create them with their minds?

Killing of apostates, homosexual, adulterers, non-believers etc do religion(some) do/did it or not?

Shows how little you think. One of the oldest religious rites is the burial of the dead since humans tend to have a difficulty just throwing dead bodies away. Go check how long humans have been performing religious rites for their dead!

Ok, so right from when homos evolved, they've been religious? They're naturally being Religious, no starting and learning point?

Which makes me ask, why aren't animals Religious? I know you're intelligent Buda but You need to pick up a biology book.

Like everything, there is the good and the bad, which is the exact teaching of religions, so you may learn the difference between the two, but you can't seem to tell the difference for obvious reasons.

I feel the dare posed in this thread might interest you.

I have not said Religion doesn't have good teachings, I said we can't deny Religion is "part" of the disasters in world history. It's a fact.

You're the one making up arguing for me. Go back and read my previous post.

budaatum:

Could you point to any of these that did not happen before people took on religion? For instance, was there pre-religion slavery or not, was there pre-apostate killing or not and so on.

As an aside. There really was never a time when people did not have a religion. Reference is here.

1. If there was no religion before people took it up, religion still did the above listed and not discouraged it.

2. If there has always been a religion(i dont think it is the case as there would be a TIME religion started), this still support what i said.

Religion(no all) did bad things in the past and we are still seeing some effect till date.

AntiChristian:


Big lie!

Why do you have to lie like this?

He is not lying. Many muslims out there dont know how Muhammed died, they dont say it. Even when i was a muslim i never knew earlier how he died because we were never told even in arabic schools. Muhammed ate a food that was poisoned although he lived few years after eating the poisoned food and he was sick.

Christian children knows how Jesus died they are taught in bible schools, ask any muslim kid how Muhammed died and see your response, i bet you wont get answers.

budaatum:

Care telling me the disasters in the world that you blame on religion?

1. Slavery
2. Apostates execution
3. Witch killing
4. Invades and conquest
5. Subdued Women
6. Terrorism
7. LGBT killings
Etc

sino:
@tintingz,

Your "heart of disbelief" has been adequately established by your responses and duly noted. Thank you.

Well, Read and learn mister. Your "heart of belief" is hokum.

Wake up from your zombiesm.
https://www.nairaland.com/5978597/skepticism-vs-zombiesm-which-good

budaatum:

Basically, he is wrongly blaming religion for ignorance that predates it.

I hope he sees.

No, he's not wrong blaming Religion. We can't deny Religion isn't part of the disasters in the world history.

IMAliyu:

This as well.
I'd say it's something characteristic to any ideology, religious or areligious.
Something like the communist ideology seemed to had a similar thing going on.

True.

The communists ideology(especially the past) can be categorize under Religion. They have the quality of religion, a cult.

budaatum:

You might love Sikhism because you know much less about it than you know about Islam, because Sikhism too has been subject to the exact same criticism you have against Islam.

Thing is Scripture does not preach, as you allege. All scripture is words in a book, and to be honest, no one exactly literally obeys what they read in it or no scripture reader would steal or lie or covet their neighbours wife or goods, yet, here you are talking as if if it is written in scripture that "go and kill", it literally means, go and kill.

Surely, only believers think that way, so might I be right in calling you a believer instead of an understander?

Here we go again.

sino:
Finally, so how do we Muslims deal with some of these attacks from disbelievers and hypocrites?

Allah (SWT) Says:

“And those who disbelieve say, "We will never believe in this Qur'an nor in that before it." But if you could see when the wrongdoers are made to stand before their Lord, refuting each other's words... Those who were oppressed will say to those who were arrogant, "If not for you, we would have been believers."

Those who were arrogant will say to those who were oppressed, "Did we avert you from guidance after it had come to you? Rather, you were criminals."

Those who were oppressed will say to those who were arrogant, "Rather, [it was your] conspiracy of night and day when you were ordering us to disbelieve in Allah and attribute to Him equals." But they will [all] confide regret when they see the punishment; and We will put shackles on the necks of those who disbelieved. Will they be recompensed except for what they used to do?” (Qur'an 34:31-33)

These verses depicts the activities of some disbelievers and their plight at the end of the day. You would know them by their arrogance and their denying the truth, they would spend their night and day plotting and planning, they would even be helping each other and meet surreptitiously so as to continue their attacks, on this section, they create multiple accounts and lie effortlessly, they prey on the weak and the oppressed, but no one will fall for their antics except those in whose heart is criminality. But they are all losers at the end of the day! The fact is that they have nothing to offer except doubts.

Firstly, Islam teaches and establishes in the Qur'an that, an individual's lack of faith affects no one except the individual!

Allah SWT Says:

"It is He who has made you successors upon the earth. And whoever disbelieves - upon him will be [the consequence of] his disbelief. And the disbelief of the disbelievers does not increase them in the sight of their Lord except in hatred; and the disbelief of the disbelievers does not increase them except in loss." (Qur'an 35:39)

Secondly, there are hypocrites among Muslims who pander to the disbelievers, they are quick to support them in their attacks, and find it difficult to disagree with them, upholding the dictates of Islam. The disbelievers love them because they know they are in cahoots. When you confront them they claim to be having 'intellectual' conversations or just joking and in so doing make mockery of the religion. When you see them, be wary of them and remind them of Allah (SWT). Allah (SWT) talks about them:

“And whenever a surah is revealed, there are among the hypocrites those who say, "Which of you has this increased faith?" As for those who believed, it has increased them in faith, while they are rejoicing.

But as for those in whose hearts is disease, it has [only] increased them in evil [in addition] to their evil. And they will have died while they are disbelievers." (Qur'an 9:124-125)

“They hypocrites are apprehensive lest a surah be revealed about them, informing them of what is in their hearts. Say, "Mock [as you wish]; indeed, Allah will expose that which you fear."

And if you ask them, they will surely say, "We were only conversing and playing." Say, "Is it Allah and His verses and His Messenger that you were mocking?"

Make no excuse; you have disbelieved after your belief. If We pardon one faction of you - We will punish another faction because they were criminals.” (Qur'an 9:64-66)

“[Remember] when the hypocrites and those in whose hearts was disease said, "Their religion has deluded those [Muslims]." But whoever relies upon Allah - then indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.” (Qur'an 8:49)

Your thread is full of subjective, sentimental claims and fallacies. Dont forget to answer the questions above.

sino:
The fundamental (a priori) knowledge of causality (cause and effect) is innate in every individual, when we observe all that exist, from what can be observed in space to our own physical entity and existence, we know that all these are beyond random accident, there must be a cause, this is what makes sense to us. The scientists for example, are able to make informed conclusions that the big bang is a most plausible occurrence by observing the effects in space, they can't possibly prove the big bang happened by doubting it happened and using philosophical argumentations for that would lead them to be uncertain regardless of all the observable effects of this process that they claim and since they cannot reproduce the big bang or observe it directly and physically in real time! So we see that even science relies on causality to propose theories and in some cases hold these theories has facts even if they cannot reproduce, repeat or have physical evidences for their claims. This also happens to be the case for round earth before the 20th century when a picture of earth was taken with a camera. The observable evidences of the effects of the roundness of earth were profound, it was just silly to argue with these observable facts, sillier would it have been using skepticism and doubts...

So why is it difficult for these disbelievers to believe that the evidence for God is just in front of them, yet they leave true and certain knowledge to delve into doubts and uncertainty?! Allah (SWT) Says:

“Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators [of themselves]?

Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain.

Or have they the depositories [containing the provision] of your Lord? Or are they the controllers [of them]?” (Qur'an 52:35-37)

Each verse here is instructive, and they seek to get answers from these disbelievers who deny the truth. Apparently, as shown on this section numerous times, these disbelievers have nothing, and they call to nothing. They only but follow their desires... They hide behind so called 'knowledge', logic and philosophy, all which amounts to nothing but further uncertainties... Allah (SWT) Says:

“And Allah created the heavens and earth in truth and so that every soul may be recompensed for what it has earned, and they will not be wronged.
Have you seen he who has taken as his god his [own] desire, and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge and has set a seal upon his hearing and his heart and put over his vision a veil? So who will guide him after Allah? Then will you not be reminded?

And they say, "There is not but our worldly life; we die and live, and nothing destroys us except time." And they have of that no knowledge; they are only assuming.

And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, their argument is only that they say, "Bring [back] our forefathers, if you should be truthful." (Qur'an 45:21-25)

These disbelievers do not have certainty, they make assumptions based on their doubts, and the only argument when you warn them about what is to come after death, they mock and jest, they ask you if anyone had ever been back from the dead to confirm this. Of course, death is a certainty, and then, what these disbelievers seek to confirm, would be confirmed without the opportunity to come back to this world, or start arguing their philosophical doubts with Allah (SWT)….

Quick question, since scientists have not understand the universe completely, how did you arrive that the universe has a cause and the cause is god and that god is Allah?

And dont forget to answer your logic of causation, who or what caused Allah?

Lets see who the hypocrite is.

This will be more interesting.

sino:
4. Prove that Allah (SWT) / God exist

You might think that this is peculiar to modern day disbelievers, but on the contrary, this line of questioning is as old as the time of Prophet Musa and even Prophet Ibrahim (AS). Prophet Musa encounter with the Pharaoh depicts an egocentric megalomaniac, who thought himself god and demanded prove for God Prophet Musa (AS) was talking about. Pharaoh was proud and demanded to see God, similarly, today's disbelievers would demand physical evidences for God. Pharaoh was shown evidences, but his ego and pride made him use philosophical argumentations to rationalize what he had witnessed. Of course, he realized his folly at the point of death, and this same end awaits today's disbelievers who are arrogant and proud.

So one might ask, what sort of evidences would convince a modern day disbeliever?

Allah (SWT) Says:

“Say, "Have you considered: if the Qur'an is from Allah and you disbelieved in it, who would be more astray than one who is in extreme dissension?"

We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?” (Qur'an 41:52-53)

Sorry mister you are referencing from a fairtale book. That is some circular reasoning fallacy. It is like saying Lois was shown evidence that Clerk is Superman in the comic so therefore Clerk is Superman and he exist as it is stated in the comic. It goes in circles.

I have asked why isn't Allah displaying himself today like it is claim in the Quran? Is he scared of the camera or only exist in the story book? I have discussed this here : https://www.nairaland.com/3793522/why-allah-more-active-ancient

The first part of the above verse addresses the lack of wisdom of the disbelievers. If it comes down to what is at stake for decisions made, if there is God who had sent revelations concluding with the Qur'an, the disbelievers have everything to lose...The reason why Allah Says, they are the losers!

You fail to admit that there are many books that claim to be from various Gods in many religions with different myths and commandments, so which one is true? Why do you believe yours is true?

Man has gone to space, and have gone into the minute entity of a human being. They see the complexity, they see patterns, they see laws and order. Where they had previously thought there was nothing, they had found something, they are at a loss how these things came by, and as they keep exploring, they keep finding mind-blowing complexity in the universe and indeed in man himself! Are these not enough signs?! Nah! Just like Pharaoh, the modern day disbelievers want to see God before they believe.

This is GOD OF THE GAPS FALLACY and ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE: Because we dont understand this therefore God exist, this is a weak old cliche argument by religious people, many religious philosophers no longer use this weak argument in a debate. FYI the Quran didn't explain the phenomena in the universe, it is scientists that are doing their best to understand things in the universe, if we are to stick to the Quran or hadiths for explanations, we would still be in dark today.

Ignorance of a phenomena is not the evidence of god talkless of Allah, there is no logic and evidence connecting to it at all, you're simply saying the idea of god is ignorance.

These disbelievers would argue how impossible and improbable an IPhone could have no inventor if such was brought to them from nowhere, but they wish that the universe, the galaxies, the stars, the planets, the earth and life on earth should have no creator, but a random accident, and they bring up conflicting arguments to defend their claims. At the end of the day, they are following the dictates of the creation instead of the creator.

Using same old argument, did you ask yourself what caused the inventor or you just want to ignore that to make a point?

First of all we dont know all the laws that govern the universe, you cant say the universe cant possibly exist itself. Secondly even if there is a cause that caused the universe what caused the causer? It is simple logic of something must come from something. So who or what caused Allah if he exist?

I have argued this here: https://www.nairaland.com/4955950/atheism-foolishness

sino:
3. Attack on the Qur'an

I remember when a disbeliever here wanted to attack the Qur'an and he was given the challenge of the Qur'an, well, your guess is as good as mine, he couldn't even write anything on his own, not to even talk of comparing it to the Qur’an! The disbelievers have used different methodology in attacking the Qur'an. They have claimed the Prophet (Saw) copied or he forged it and it isn't divine. Some have claimed it is a book of fairy tales... What is most amusing is the similarity of thought between idolaters of Quraish and these modern disbelievers! Allah (SWT) Says:

“Alif, Lam, Meem.

[This is] the revelation of the Book about which there is no doubt from the Lord of the worlds.

Or do they say, "He invented it"? Rather, it is the truth from your Lord, [O Muhammad], that you may warn a people to whom no warner has come before you [so] perhaps they will be guided.” (Qur'an 32:1-3)

“Or do they say [about Prophet Muhammad], "He invented it"? Say, "If I have invented it, then upon me is [the consequence of] my crime; but I am innocent of what [crimes] you commit." (Qur'an 11:35)

“Or do they say, "He invented it"? Say, "Then bring ten surahs like it that have been invented and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah, if you should be truthful."(Qur'an 11:13)

The above verse challenges the disbelievers and those who claim to have esoteric connections with unseen creatures or have the capability and capacity to produce the like of the Qur'an, and that it is not special to go ahead and bring forth a revelation such as the Qur'an and they should call for assistance from what they claim is the source of their revelations and let us see how truthful their claims are.

Allah (SWT) Says:

“Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion upon His Servant that he may be to the worlds a warner -

He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and who has not taken a son and has not had a partner in dominion and has created each thing and determined it with [precise] determination.

But they have taken besides Him gods which create nothing, while they are created, and possess not for themselves any harm or benefit and possess not [power to cause] death or life or resurrection.

And those who disbelieve say, "This [Qur'an] is not except a falsehood he invented, and another people assisted him in it." But they have committed an injustice and a lie.

And they say, "Legends of the former peoples which he has written down, and they are dictated to him morning and afternoon."

Say, [O Muhammad], "It has been revealed by He who knows [every] secret within the heavens and the earth. Indeed, He is ever Forgiving and Merciful." (Qur'an 25:1-6)

These verses addresses accordingly those who attack the Qur'an and claimed that it is a forgery or that it is a fairy tale. They deny the existence of God who is the author of the Qur'an, yet, they worship what has been created. The idolaters of Quraish worshiped idols, while today's idolaters worship philosophy, logic, science as well as their desires. When you ask them, of what benefit has all these brought to their individual lives, the clever ones among them would say enlightenment, and the question remains, has this enlightenment bring back the dead? Or solve the fact that we would all die? As it unraveled the universe and the purpose of life on earth?! Has the enlightenment given meaning to life with all the atrocities and natural disasters? They would quickly at this point hold on to science, but when you tell them that science isn’t the exclusivity of disbelievers and can’t possibly give all the answers to our reality, they go on a tirade and rants against God and religion. You would quickly realize their folly, and wonder that rather than them to give their supposed philosophical and logical answers to the questions posed, they keep bringing up more doubts and questions while the really less intelligent ones among them would continue to attack God and religion and at the end of the day, no meaningful information would have been presented. Subhanallah! How accurate Allah (SWT) has described these disbelievers...

The Quran is very well a book of fairytales copied from previous ancient fairytales. It has been discussed here: https://www.nairaland.com/5095109/myths-quran

There are many ancient mythologies that finds it way to the Quran, it is in the link above. A book filled with myths and fairytales cannot be divine, a book filled with bad scientific approach cannot be divine.

And as for making the the likes of the Quran, it is a ridiculous challenge to begin with, it is like Stan Lee challenging you to make a like of Spiderman comics. What parameters do you give to meet up the challenge? Are they to make exact content of the book or make another version of the book? What exactly is the parameters?

The Quran didnt give any parameters for the challenge, even if anyone write better updated version of the Quran(which is obviously possible), the muslim will easily reject it because there is no lay down parameters for it, some will even call for your head for blasphemy. It is a dead end challenge and ridiculous. Many people have made a parody for this since it is a ridiculous challenge. I have discuss this here: https://www.nairaland.com/5084338/challenge-quran-produce-like-quran

Another question is, the Quran also challenged the jinns too(fairy beings), now tell me how are you and muslims going to confirm from the jinns if they have met the challenge? Did Muhammed thought of this when he gave that challenge? I have discussed this here: https://www.nairaland.com/5527082/challenge-quran-produce-like-quran

Anyone who sees this challenge knows it is ridiculous!

sino:
2. Attack on the Messenger and in some way Praise and Admit the success of the Messenger.

This is another scheme of the disbelievers, they intend to undermine the religion by attacking the personality of the Prophet (Saw). They go on a campaign of calumny and quote weak or fabricated hadith and in some cases they quote out of context or even lie just to paint the Prophet (SAW) in a bad light. But they are quick to admit how such a successful individual the Prophet (Saw) was, they might even praise him and say he was a genius. But all these aren't new, the disbelievers of Quraish and their likes did same. They claimed that the Prophet SAW was a mad man, even went to the level of claiming that he was a sorcerer! Yet, they admit he was an upright, trustworthy person and never was he evil-minded or immoral. But did all that stop the completion of the divine message?! No, the disbelievers plots all failed!

A beautiful rebuttal by Allah (SWT) towards the disbelievers of yesterday and those of today can be found below when Allah (SWT) Says:

" So remind [O Muhammad], for you are not, by the favor of your Lord, a soothsayer or a madman.

“Or do they say [of you], "A poet for whom we await a misfortune of time?"

Say, "Wait, for indeed I am, with you, among the waiters."

Or do their minds command them to [say] this, or are they a transgressing people?

Or do they say, "He has made it up"? Rather, they do not believe.

Then let them produce a statement like it, if they should be truthful.” (Qur'an 52: 29-34)

These verses are instructive, for a madman cannot produce any coherent message such as it is found in the Qur'an, and a soothsayer can be easily found out, and a poet, can't maintain such brilliance consistently and with time, his fame would fade, thus the challenge to the disbelievers... It is more than 1400 years ago, still, the disbelievers are still digging in the same rabbit hole as their predecessors of old, the Arab idol worshippers!

“Indeed, We have granted you, (O Muhammad), al-Kawthar.

So pray to your Lord and sacrifice (to Him alone).

Indeed, your enemy is the one cut off.” (Qur’an 108:1-3)

Your Prophet that kept slaves shouldn't be criticized? Someone who made many muslims do ridiculous things? Even Buddha is far better than your prophet.

Someone that said he sees and spoke to imaginary things, believe a flying donkey rode him to the sky isnt a mental problem? Please tell me if you will believe in someone that came to you and said he rode on flying camel to the moon, is the person normal or psychotic?

sino:
The heart of Disbelief

This topic has been on my mind for a while, and the present reality has convinced me the necessity of writing about it. What I see as an issue with us Muslims is that we have neglected our responsibility to seek for knowledge, learn our religion and make daw'ah accordingly.

First and foremost, whatever forms disbelief appears, it is still one and same, and no matter the years apart, disbelievers tend to think alike! This got my attention when I realized that the modern day disbelievers and the hypocrites all reason same way as the idolaters of Quraish and the earlier disbelievers before the Prophet (Saw)! Their modus operandi might be different, but their level of thinking is same! The most important thing about this information is that the Qur'an had captured all their fickle scheming and once you see the weakness in their plots, you would realize the folly of their ways and what they call to. So I'll be looking at some of the information about the disbelievers majorly from the Qur’an as revealed over 1400 years ago and you would see that they have nothing to offer.

Okay, the level of believers thinking is not the same? Like yall dont think the same?

I dont know if this is dishonesty or psychological projection.

NB: The Muslim section of Nairaland from time, has always witnessed influx of trolls, they seek nothing but to argue and waste your precious time, they are losers and have nothing good to offer, when you see their posts, ignore, they are called trolls for a reason, and if you can't do that, remember the below verse...

"And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!"; (25:63)

oh save us the stress yourself, we have seen how some muslims left their religion in this section.

So I begin...

1. Compromise on religion, call for reform

Allah (SWT) Says:

"They wish that you should compromise (in religion out of courtesy) with them, so they (too) would compromise with you." (68:9)

The disbelievers and hypocrites know the only way to make your faith worthless is for you to compromise on your faith. They push this under different guises and the most prominent today is the call for reform. They hide under different labels to push for this, but their aim is only to destroy the religion from within.

Some hide under the pretense of curbing the spate of terrorism and violence witnessed in some part of the Muslim world, but the question is, what sort of reform do they want for Islam when Islam clearly has rules of engagement in times of war and in times of peace? When you learn the rules Islam had established in times of war, which exempts noncombatants, women, children, elderly, priests, houses of worship, trees, even animals if not for food, then you would be forced to ask what reforms?! What reforms do they want when Islam prohibits suicide and hell is the abode of one who does such?! What reforms do they seek when Islam states that in a state of war, when the enemy seek peace, you should also incline towards peace?! What reforms do they want when Islam states that you shouldn't transgress or that you shouldn't allow hatred to deny people justice?! If all these are part of the Shariah, then it becomes imperative to ask, what reforms do they seek for Islam?!

If not the above strategy, they come up with liberalism or secularism. They want Islam as a religion to be confined in the Masjid and the society should be left to people's desires. They want to promote all forms of immorality in the name of individual freedom and human rights. What they fail to understand is that all these ideologies are the result of some people's desires. They claim to be seeking freedom of choice but yet force their way of life on others, once you disagree with them, you are labelled and in the new social media parlance, you are 'cancelled'. They have become like a cult and the people fear to even critically ask questions else the backlash would be terrible! There is no doubt about it, it is either you follow the dictates of the Creator or that of the creation.

Oh Islam needs reformation mister. Many of your dogmas are very archaic and barbaric!

1. Killing of homosexuals
2. killing of adulterers
3. killing of apostates
4. Lack of freedom of speech
5. Lack of women rights
6. beating of women

And so many more.

Your religion needs reformation, if your religion is so peaceful, there wont be call for reformation, there wont be widespread of terrorists using your religious texts to justify their killings!

Lol. This thread is full of fallacies. I will try and respond to each. Pointing out it logical fallacies.

victorian:






I watched the video.


And I felt sorry for Jada pinkett.

She's still inlove with Will Smith and she's resigned herself she can't stop loving him whenever he calls her back.
He said in the video, he didn't want her anymore. They had couples quarrels and all. Most times he always broke up with her between themselves, she will go away, take time off, then later that reconcile.

I think Will realise she truly loves him and shes too caring to a fault. I think That's why he decided to accept her back and look beyond the cheating.

When a man cheats Taya and look back at his main babe or wife, knowing his wife is the only fool that can accept his cheating ways and still helplessly come back to him, as he grows older, he will realise all. Other women tripping were just around him for fun and the money. He WIl then crawl back to his main woman if she still accepts him back.

Will grew to love his wife after many years of marriage and with the expression in her eyes as she speaks her mind. She had been inlove with Will from day one till date. The love is still there, while Will's eyes was filled with regrets as he promised her on the video that he will win her heart back.

She smiled and replied u don't have to

Will shook his head and said No no no I have to. I'm gonna win u back. She looked at him with resigned eyes.

Then Will laughed and said what a bad marriage we have, he gave her chop knuckle style, she laughed and replied truly one hell of a bad marriage. Then he replied we ride or die together babe!

I felt sad. As I watched the two of them trying to make it look like their love is big enough to surpass any cheating.

Jada has really gone thru so much emotional suffering from Will for many years, But playing a act together with Will to the public that they both agreed on open marriage. But it's not true.
She simply had to accept his open marriage offer, just to stay married to a man she couldn't stop loving.

sighs.
Life.

May God help women in her shoes amen . Some Women are going through hell sha , keeping a bold face publicly but dying inside all to keep their men even if he strays.

You're still making it Will vs Jada. Sigh.

hahn:


I don't think she knows what it implies

She's making it Will vs Jada like most people are doing which is not even the case. The couples are still together and they know each others secret.

victorian:


If you watch the red table Video, they agreed on open marriage cos Will Smith knew he couldn't stay faithful and Jada had to accept such marriage cos she didn't want to loose him. She also said on their wedding day she was wondering if Will could ever fall inlove with her and stay in the marriage. Will smiled sadly and said he knew he could fall inlove with her thru their marriage
. She didn't look convinced when he said so.

She then admit, she was miserable for the last recent 4 and half years with Will, until August walked into their lives. August needed her help at that moment cos he was battling an illness and she the doting and caring lady couldn't look the other way and at that same moment Will broke up with her and said he didn't want to see her anymore,

So she walked into August life, helped him through his illness and one thing led to another they shagged for the past 4years and those moments she felt alive, best moments ever while Will. Smith looked at her with regrets as she poured out her mind in the video. If only he had not pushed her away to the arms of a fine lonely famous rich hunk who needed the warmth of a caring matured woman like will Smith's wife.


Isn't life funny? The stupid Will realise a younger famous guy wants to keep his wife all to himself his eyes come clear like hyena.. Smhhhh

He fuc..king pushed his wife out of his life into the waiting arms of a younger more georgeous and delicious looking rich kid who felt so happy to have her.

Are men not such confused sets of people. Will now want to win her back.. So he said in the video.. I just laughed!

Anyways at least they both accept they have a bad marriage and are ready to ride or die in it. Good for them.

1. I don't have problem with open marriage, in fact it's a good union as well.

2. How did you know Jada's entanglement with August was the best? Did she mention that in the video?

3. They separated and came back after they realized they can't do without each other. They both had entanglement outside and they're aware of it.

4. Will isn't a stupid person. How many man can do what Will and Jada had together? They have been married for close to 25 yrs you know.

5. Don't make this Will vs Jada(which I assume you're doing), they're good successful couples.

6. Jada accepted Will has won her back. They're still together. Did you even watch the video?

7. The phrase they said "Bad marriage for life" in that context means the best marriage for them.

victorian:









Sighs ! The best and sensible words I've heard so far since this saga started.

They are painting Will Smith like an angel. Smhhh

The real reason Will Smith didn't divorce her for this tiny little entanglement is because he has cheated on her several times codedly before, He knows he deserves it , that's why he's not angry or filing for divorce.

When a man is young handsome , rich, he cheats like no man's buisness and make he come famous join? Oh my God! The cheating and fu.cckin spree intensifies but codedly.

As soon as he's getting to. Mid life crisis age, he calms down knowing ladies are gunning and running after younger rich or famous handsome dudes like Alsina ..


And the irony of life is this : most guys like Alsina in their youth and prime love dating or having flings with old successful cougars, some even end up marrying the cougars claiming love, cos the cougars make them fill they are dating very high class women who in a normal scenario won't date any man.

So it makes people like Alsina feel high and happy that Everyone now knows he had an entanglement with Will Smith's wife.



What an awesome entanglement

Sighs this life.


Isn't it awesome

That's why successful ladies like us, if guys OUR age are making Shakara to marry us? No problem.
Cos no matter how old we get, some younger rich guys will still want to be associated with us and possibly want marriage if we are comfortable with the age difference . It elevates their ego and pride.

That's just the irony of life.

And at the end, it's a win win scenario Isn't life strangely amazing?

Will and Jada were in open marriage, no need to stress yourself with this epistle.

GODISABOVEDEVIL:
As if the man have not cheated before.


I am not supporting cheating couples because it's a sin before God.

But condemning the woman And Making the Man look like a saint is a No for me.

He who have no sin should first cast a stone.

#God is the Greatest.
#Jesus Christ Rules.

PAGAN9JA:
Very nice and cringy.

Shows how slutty our African women are.

No brains only B00bs and A$$ets.

The senselessness of this video is mind blowing.


Meanwhile I would like to Thank the ^GODS and ^SPIRITS worshipped by my ancestors for bringing me to this position in Nairaland Society.

0 thanks for jesus and as for allah,.... forget about it.

Will and Jada were in open relationship. There's no cheating here.

LordReed:


Bwahahahahaha! Nah the dream indicates he likes women.

Maybe bisexual. You were in the room too.

LordReed:


LMAO! I guess I am. Bwahahahahahaha!

Lordreed I hope the dude is not gay?

Watch the reactions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgD3YpzmJUk

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GracieX3:


The mod is never going to do that. What do you expect from cowards who are afraid of the truth?

A good example is Mohammed Hijab. A muslim debater that always hides comments from atheists in his youtube videos because they always point out fallacies in his arguments.

Lol. I know Muhammad Hijab, he's a clownry bully. He hides critics comments.

I remember the debate with him and Alex and how he threaten Alex(Cosmic sceptic).

The mod that removed Xmuslim thread should give reasons.

iamdannyfc:

Did you meet eachother as planned?

No. He didn't respond to the deal/terms. I guess he back out from his challenge.

AntiChristian:


Yeah! Like your fams na!



Atheist worship their whims and desires! So an atheist whim and desire will be different from other atheist!

Oh! Sigh..

Xmuslim, Whitehouse, LordReed, IMAliyu

Y'all can see the defamatory in this thread, I've asked him to provide evidence, he's yet to do so.

AntiChristian:


I have no need to questions my religion! I'm still amazed at you atheist inciting people against their religion and stylishly wanting them to join atheism.
We don't need to think like you cos we pray not to end in hell. Keep threading your path and let's keep up ours!

And in the end we'll see!

Zombiesm!

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Hitler's mum was a Catholic while his dad wasn't religious! He can be called a Christian in his early life but he later criticised Christianity in his teenage years!

If they didn't kill for atheism can you calculate how many atheists each of them killed?

Hitler wasn't an Atheist, the Nazi even allied with the church and Muslims group to kill the Jews.

All those bad people in that picture some of them were Atheists yes but they killed for power and political reasons, there's no atheist revelation book that commands them to kill, they cannot justify their evil behaviors to Atheism. They see themselves as gods and cults group, that's not what Atheism is!

IMAliyu:

I personally see it more of as a move similar to the move from a belief in a flat earth to a geocentric spherical earth. Getting there but not quite.

Pretty much pre Greek philosophy and the much later scientific enlightenment, a person living without a belief in the supernatural or a god was a rarity because too much was unknown about the world (well still is, slightly just less now) a simple example was what caused the rain fall and thunder to an early historic man? The "heaven father" is the one causing it would had been a relatively satisfactory answer before the study of meteorology.

So monotheism was a move from worshipping man made inanimate objects (idolatry) to a belief in an invisible entity that caused and causes everything unexplainable. Although it wasn't any better in terms of it's wackiness.
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A skeptic question everything, Ibrahim didn't question his own beliefs too, well that was because according to the story God showed him miracles and that he exist, so there's no need for Ibrahim to be skeptical, he's convinced God exist. I won't call Ibrahim a skeptic cause he's convinced his God exist in the story, maybe he's skeptical about other things I don't know. The stories in the Qur'an and Bible shows how god was intervening and people are convinced but why is god hiding today? If he intervene and people all sees it, why can't he do that today? I've created a thread on this, is he scared of the camera? Or the stories are just fairytales? Well ofocs they're.

In the your opening topic. You pointed to something I've been trying to figure out, the Islamic golden age when some Muslims were great thinkers and learners and it's down fall and how the Muslim world has pretty much regressed to the dark ages where asking certain questions would be you endangering yourself to the point that a lot of Muslims are now science deniers. I've had to explain to friends that a lot of mathematical concepts were invented by Muslims and not the Europeans trying to confuse you.

The Europeans acknowledged the Muslims scholars that contributed to mathematics, any mathematics student will know this. The west are just still very relevant in scientific discoveries today, many modern studies are from them.

sino:


If all you claim as an atheist that we all know already is that you are seeing an invisible green winged fire breathing rabbit and you believe what you are seeing is true, then I can't help your situation with any form of logic or reasoning! It becomes psychotic when you want me to argue about what you claim you see which you know is false to begin with. Please, do not insult your intellect because you want to argue!

The existence of God is not equal to the existence of your imaginary friend! This is against logic, false equivalence! That God exist is fundamental, it is a valid proposition to a meaningful understanding of the purpose of life which is a fundamental question to us. As Muslims, we have the Prophets and we have the Qur'an, a book guiding us to acknowledge and connect with God. You do not want to accept this and you have nothing except for skepticism, so you are coming up with ridiculous questions and reasonings all over the place!

Finally, as I have already established, it makes no sense doubting this fundamental knowledge of the existence of God, for that only leads to continuous doubts and like you have shown, you will keep on asking questions all over the place, doubting and more worrisome, bring up strange and ridiculous imaginations, like an invisible green winged fire breathing rabbit, all just to keep digging into the rabbit hole of your self inflicted skepticism.

This is where I leave you...

So In conclusion, the only reason Allah exist to you is because it makes sense to you as a Muslim, you've Prophet that even rode on a flying donkey and speak to animals, you've books that contains fairytales? Is that the argument? Isn't this a subjective claim and a faith base claim? How's this different from my faith base claim?

You haven't shown how you know the winged invisible green rabbit doesn't exist, you just made another fallacious claim it doesn't exist, you keep going in circular reasoning fallacy. You can see why Atheists challenge you to proof Allah exist, you can see why they lack belief in god just as you lack belief in the winged rabbit, you're an arabbitist(someone who lack belief in the winged invisible rabbit).

I asked how did you know Allah is the first cause you claim he's because you're a Muslim, I as well claim the winged rabbit is the first cause. How did you possibly believe in one and reject the other? Aren't they both faith base claims, aren't they both supernatural entities?!

In this case god is just an imaginary friend made up by some people just like the winged green rabbit that's outer space and if you say Allah is real then the winged rabbit is real, there's no logical way you can discredit one. I can see you realize your delusion, it's ok to admit you're deluded. Atleast I've made you a skeptic here, now be skeptical about your imaginary god in the sky and your flying donkey rider prophet.

The below link is an example of your delusion.
https://www.nairaland.com/5923291/absurdity-hypocrisy-muslims-beliefs