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|Islam for Muslims / Re: The Srebrenica Massacre by Zhul-fiqar: 3:16pm On Mar 17|
displaying either ignorance or lies is not an except route from the truth.
so the day of Ashura has no significance in Islam? well,yes you will say it does,and then relate it to other events you believe took place that day,but not the tragedy of Karbala.you see what we are saying about avoiding the day of Ashura? even you said it you don't set a day to remember anyone.but you commemorate the day the sebrenica massacre occurred.amazing logic!!!
and we don't believe anyone can say kun fa yakun aside from Allah.if anyone does and have that power,it is by Allah's permission,as we are told in the Quran about Isa (as) and giving life to the dead.stop lying or stop the drama,whichever way.
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Any Salafi Masjid In Lagos Mainland? by Zhul-fiqar: 3:12pm On Mar 17|
must you lie? or its all about the drama?
I can see from the sectarian and hatred filled videos you posted,that you like drama.haven't over 1000 years of sunni oppression and persecution over the Shia,enough to satiate you?
|Islam for Muslims / Re: The Srebrenica Massacre by Zhul-fiqar: 1:39pm On Mar 17|
Hussein (as) is the grandson of your Prophet (s),mister.if the grandson of the Prophet (s) can be beheaded,and his family and companions too murdered,and others taken captives as the kuffar are taken prisoners of war,such is the most catastrophic day in Islam.we do not practice favoritism.we practice justice.what you do is cherry-picking and a display of selective memory.
let us leave the Tragedy of Karbala,since it is in the interest of your Sunni sect not to remember anything about it,to preserve the image of your sunni caliphate and those who preceded yazid.let us deal with a current happening.in Pakistan in the last 20 to 30 years,over 20,000 Shia have been massacred.why didnt tbaba feel for them? or are they not humans? Sebrenica is happening everyday in Pakistan,carried out by the Wahhabis/salafists.you forget that the Christians are watching when those Sunni fanatics massacre the Shia? we do support the people of Bosnia and sympathize with them.but I was moved to comment because of tbaba's evident hypocrisy.when muslims (sunnis) are killed in Burma,we Shia don't refrain to show our sympathy and support,regardless of sectarian issues or differences.
here we have two threads in this forum highlighting the crimes of the Wahhabis/salafists,that tbaba associates/identifies himself with:
Genocide Of Shia Muslims In Pakistan
A Timeline Of Sectarian Terrorism Against Shia Muslims
when sympathy and an expression of humanity only become evident when your own is concerned,that is not being a humanist but a fanatic and a sectarianist who disregards humanity and the sanctity of human life, when Allah (swt) says: "he who kills an innocent soul,it is as if he has killed all of humanity". Allah (swt) did not say "he who kills an innocent muslim soul" or "an innocent salafist soul".Islam sanctifies life away from religious divisions and far from the inhumanity the salafist/wahabi terrorists are displaying in Pakistan,and Iraq against the Shia,and in Nigeria against the Christians.
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Wahhabism Exposed! by Zhul-fiqar: 1:24pm On Mar 17|
bid'ah bid'ah bid'ah!!! but the bid'ah is right there in the Sunni adhan.
and our BetaThing friend is calling the claim that there is bid'ah in Sunni adhan false,without examining the facts.you should learn to examine the evidence the other party puts forth.i go through your propaganda Wahhabi videos full of hatred,deceit,and lies.i don't see why you should not spend your time to examine the evidence others present.
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Wahhabism Exposed! by Zhul-fiqar: 1:18pm On Mar 17|
Examining the Traditions of Tathwib
The traditions resorted to for proving Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm are all fallacious regarding their documents. These traditions are mostly those narrated by Abu Dawud and Al-Nisa’i from Abu Mahdhurah as is mentioned in Al-Mughni, Al-Sharh Al-Kabir and Al-Majmu’.
The tradition of Nisa’i
In Sunan Al-Nisa’i, the tradition is as follows:
Suwayd Ibn Nasr said: Abdullah narrates from Sufyan from Ibn Ja’far from Abi Salman that Abu Mahdhurah said: “I called out Adhan for the Holy Prophet (a.s) and I called out in the Morning Adhan Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm.
The document of this tradition in Sunan Bayhaqi is in this form: “It was narrated for us from Sufyan Thawri from Abu Ja’far from Abu Sulayman…” Abu Salman is therefore replaced with Abu Sulayman. Bayhaqi continues: “The name of Abu Sulayman is Hammam Mu’adhin (muezzin).”
In this document, Abu Salman or Abu Sulayman is named Hammam Mu’adhin and is an unknown person. All that Ibn Hajar has brought about this man is that, “It is said that the name of Abu Salman Mu’adhin is Hammam and he narrates traditions from Ali and Abu Mahdhurah. Abu Ja’far Farra’ and Ala’ Ibn Salih Kufi narrate traditions on his authority.
Beside the problem posed by Abu Sulayman about the document of this tradition, some believe that Abu Ja’far whose name is in this tradition is not known and not the same person as Abu Ja’far Al-Farra’. Nisa’i himself has mentioned this issue in Sunan.
The traditions of Abu Dawud
(1) Musaddad narrated to us from al-Harith Ibn Ubayd from Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Malik Ibn Abu Mahdhurah from his father that his grandfather said: I said, “O the Messenger of Allah! Teach me your way of saying the Adhan!” The Prophet touched my head and said, “Say like this…” He mentioned the phrases in Adhan one by one until he reached Hayya Ala al-Falah;and then he said: “In case of the Morning Prayer, say: Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm.
In this tradition’s document, there is Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Malik about whom Ibn Hajar narrates Ibn Qattan’s saying, “He is unidentified and nobody has ever narrated a tradition from him except Harith.” After quoting the traditions of Thawri and Harith Ibn Ubayd narrated by Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Malik, Ibn Hajar quotes Abdul Haq as saying, “We cannot adduce these documents.” Harith Ibn Ubayd is also subject of controversy.
(2) Al-Hasan Ibn Ali, nicknamed Abu Ali, narrated to us from Abu Asim and Abd al-Razzaq from Abu Jurayj that Uthman Ibn Sa’ib narrated from his father and the mother of Abd al-Malik Ibn Abu Mahdhurah that Abu Mahdhurah narrates from the honorable Prophet (a.s) that Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm is said twice in the Morning…
In this tradition too, Uthman Ibn Sa’ib and his father are not known except by this very tradition. The mother of Abd al-Malik is also unknown.
(3) Al-Nufayli narrated to us from Ibrahim Ibn Isma’il Ibn Abd al-Malik that he heard his grandfather, Abu Mahdhurah, saying in the Fajr Prayer Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm.
This document is also invalid, since Ibrahim Ibn Isma’il Ibn Abd al-Malik has explicitly been criticized.
In concluding from the traditions narrated about tathwib, it should be said that, first, as we know, the documents of these traditions are doubtful and unacceptable. Second, even if these traditions are not considered as doubtful, they undoubtedly cannot be followed. The reason is that they are in contrast with those true ones stating that Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm is a phrase added by people’s own approbation, after the time of the Prophet (a.s). As a result, both groups of traditions are invalid and thus unacceptable. Therefore, there is no proof for the inclusion of tathwib in the Adhan, or its recommendation after the Adhan.
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Wahhabism Exposed! by Zhul-fiqar: 1:13pm On Mar 17|
Scholars’ Views on the Origin of Tathwib
Imam Malik says, in Al-Muwatta’:
“It has been narrated to us that the caller to the Prayer came to Umar for the Morning Prayer and found him asleep; he said, “Prayer is preferred to sleep. (Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm)” Umar therefore ordered to include this phrase in the Adhan for the Morning Prayer.”
As is seen, it is explicitly mentioned in this tradition that Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm is an addition to the Adhan made by Umar and has nothing to do with the original Adhan of Islam. Thus Muhammad Ibn Al-Hasan Al-Shaybani, in Al-Muwatta’, stipulates that Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm is not related to the Adhan. His exact viewpoint is that “Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm is said after the Adhan and since it is not a part of it, it is not obligatory to add.”
Suyuti, in Tanwir Al-Hawalik, explaining the document of this tradition, says:
What Malik has narrated from Umar is also narrated by Al-Darqutni in his Sunan with two documents; one is narrated by Waki’, in his Musannaf, from Muhammad Ibn Ajlan from Nafi’ from Umar’s son from Umar who instructed his Muezzin (caller to Adhan), “When you reach Hayya Ala al-Falah in the Morning Adhan, you should say Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm twice.” 
Zurqani narrates the same issue in Ta’liqah. Master Sunni biographists have validated the narrators in both document chains and in general, there is no fallacy in the documents cited by the Sunni jurisprudents. Shawkani, about Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm, quotes the following from Al-Bahr Al-Zukhar:
When Umar invented this phrase, his son told him, “This is heresy.” When hearing this phrase, Ali is narrated as saying, “Do not add anything to the Adhan.” The author of Al-Bahr Al-Zukhar, after citing the tradition of Abu Mahdhurah and Bilal says, “If tathwib were religiously allowed, Ali, Ibn Umar and Tawus would not deny it.” As a conclusion from the traditions, we accept this issue (tathwib), not religiously, but if said as an additional part of Adhan.
It is narrated from Abu Hanifah from Hammad from Ibrahim in Jami’ Al-Masanid…
I asked him about tathwib and he replied, “People have made tathwib and it is a good thing they have made. Tathwib includes saying Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm twice, after Adhan.” Imam Muhammad Ibn Hasan Shaybani has cited this tradition in Athar from Abu Hanifah saying, “This is Abu Hanifah’s statement and we follow it.”
It is narrated from Ibn Uyaynah from Al-Layth that Mujahid said:
“I was with Ibn Umar when we heard someone saying tathwib in the mosque. Ibn Umar said, ‘Let us get away from this heretic.’”
Abu Dawud narrates this occurrence from Mujahid about the Noon or Evening Prayer.
Ibn Jurayj says:
Amr Ibn Hafs informed me that Sa’d, a muezzin, was the first to say Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm. That was during Umar’s reign. At first, Umar told him that it was a heresy, but left it to himself later. Balabil did not say Adhan for Umar.
Ibn Jurayj says:
Hasan Ibn Muslim informed me that someone asked Tawus, “When was Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm first called out?” He replied, “That was not called during the Prophet’s reign. After his demise, in the reign of Abu Bakr, Balabil heard this phrase from a man who was not a caller to Adhan. So, he learnt it and called out Adhan with it from then on. Abu Bakr was a little while alive after this happening. Then in his reign, Umar said, “It would be better if we prohibit Balabil from what he has invented.” But he apparently forgot this issue and people called out Adhan with this phrase up to the present time.
Though a little difference is noticed between the first and second traditions, they share the same concept; that is tathwib and Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm was established after the Messenger of Allah (a.s). Anyway, the tradition of Malik with the document of Al-Darqutni and the testimony of famous and master Sunni jurisprudents suffice for proving it.
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Wahhabism Exposed! by Zhul-fiqar: 1:09pm On Mar 17|
Discussion on Tathwib
The second issue of controversy among the Sunni and Shia jurisprudents is tathwib. There is also controversy over it among the Sunni jurisprudents themselves. It has been said, “Tathwib means return and is therefore returning to calling out to prayers. When it is called out Hayya Ala al-Salat, people are invited to prayers; when Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm is called out, there is a returning to the same phrase which means inviting to the prayers. It is quoted from Al-Mughrib that the traditional tathwib is the same calling out of Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm in the Fajr Prayers twice and the recent one is calling out Al-Salat Al-Salat (prayer, prayer) or Qaamat Qaamat (Prayer is established). Another meaning of tathwib is saying Hayya Ala al-Salat and Hayya Ala al-Falah each twice between Adhan and iqamah.”
Anyway, whatever meaning tathwib may have, it is not included in Adhan and iqamah, but is something added later. Since the common meaning of tathwib is to say Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm we focus on it in this discussion. Ibn Rushd in Bidayah Al-Mujtahid, about the controversy over this issue, says:
The jurisprudents are not in agreement whether Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm should be said in the Morning Adhan or not. Most of them believe that it should be said, but some do not agree with it, since it was not so in the Adhan of the Prophet. Shafi’i believes so. The difference in this issue is that whether this phrase was said in the Prophet’s reign or added in Umar’s.
The following is quoted from Al-Muhadhab:
In case of the Morning Adhan, after Hayya Ala al-Salat and Hayya Ala al-Falah, tathwib—saying Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm should be added twice. But in the recent verdicts, to say this phrase is undesirable.
In Al-Majmu’, it is written that Abu Hanifah did not accept tathwib in this way and in Sharh Kabir, some people such as Ibn Umar, Hasan, Malik, Sufyan Thawri, Ishaq and Shafi’i believe in tathwib (in its common sense). Abu Hanifah said, “Tathwib between Adhan and iqamah for the Morning Prayer is to say Hayya Ala al-Salat and Hayya Ala al-Falah each twice. Nearly the same is narrated in Al-Mughni. Anyhow, in both books, the tradition of Abu Mahdhurah is adduced for tathwib. This tradition says, “In case of the Morning Prayer, you should say, ‘Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm…”
It should be born in mind that some people have considered tathwib as external to Adhan. In Al-Mabsut, after quoting a tradition, Sarakhsi says, “This tradition is an argument for tathwib being after Adhan (not a part of it).” After some more lines, he says, “People created this tathwib. People of Kufah added Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm to the Adhan and set the tathwib between Adhan and iqamah as two times of Hayya Ala al-Falah.
Now that the controversy of the Sunni jurisprudents themselves about tathwib became clear, we conclude that tathwib and even Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm is not included in Adhan and to say it between Adhan and iqamah is not recommended at all because nothing has been revealed about it, nor is there any recommendation about it by the Prophet (a.s). Rather it is a phrase included in Adhan after the Prophet (a.s) by some of the Companions’ personal desire. Authentic evidences, to be discussed later on, are present in the Sunni traditions proving our claim
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Wahhabism Exposed! by Zhul-fiqar: 1:06pm On Mar 17|
Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal
Besides what is enormously narrated from the Ahl al-Bayt (a.s) about the inclusion of Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal in both Adhan and iqamah, various traditions have been narrated by the Sunnis. Bayhaqi, in Al-Sunan Al-Kubra, has a chapter entitled, باب: ما رُويَ في حَيَّ عَلى خَيْرِ العَمَلِ“Chapter: Narrations About Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal” Here, we mention some of these traditions as quoted from Al-Sunan Al-Kubra and other sources and then bring some Sunni scholars’ confirmation of them.
Ibn Umar used to say, in Adhan, Allahu Akbar and Ashhadu An La Ilaha Illa Allah three times each. Then, he probably said Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal (Hurry to the best of deed) after Hayya Ala al-Falah (Hurry to salvation).
The document of this tradition, as narrated in Al-Muwatta’ by Muhammad Ibn Al-Hasan Al-Shaybani, is, “Malik narrated from Nafi’ and he narrated from Ibn Umar that… etc.” Regarding the regularities common among our Sunni brothers, who can question the validity of this tradition’s document? Bukhari, too, writes about this document, “The most valid documentation of a tradition is that narrated by Malik from Nafi’ from Ibn Umar. Hakim has quoted this statement of Bukhari from Muhammad Ibn Isma’il Al-Bukhari. Ibn Hajar has also mentioned it in the biography of Nafi’ in Tahdhib Al-Tahdhib.
Ibn Umar used not to say Adhan when he was in travel; he rather used to say Hayya Ala al-Falah and, sometimes, Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal.
Muhammad Ibn Sirin, about Ibn Umar, said, “Ibn Umar used to say Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal in Adhan.”
Nasir Ibn Dha’luq has narrated the same thing about Ibn Umar while he was in a travel, as he has quoted from Abu Umamah.
Ibn Hazm, in his Al-Muhalla, writes, “It is indeed proven that Ibn Umar and Ibn Umamah, son of Sahl Ibn Hunayf, used to say in the Adhan Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal; and this has been proven by the most valid documents.”
Ali Ibn Al-Husayn (a.s) used to follow Hayya Ala al-Falah by Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal in the Adhan saying, “The primary Adhan was like this.”
Halabi, in Sirah, says, “Ibn Umar and Imam Zayn Al-Abidin Ali Ibn Al-Husayn, after Hayya Ala al-Falah used to say Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal.”
Whenever Ibn Umar said Hayya Ala al-Falah in Adhan, he followed it by Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal. Then he said Allahu Akbar…
The editor of the book writes down as footnote, “This tradition is narrated by Ibn Abi Shaybah from Ibn Ajlan and Ubaydullah from Nafi’ from Ibn Umar. The narrators reported by Ibn Abi Shaybah are generally accepted by all Sunni jurisprudents.
Bilal used to say Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal during calling for the Fajr (Dawn) Prayer, but the Messenger of Allah ordered him to say Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-nawm (Prayer is preferred to sleep) instead.
The only problem posed by the author of Majma’ al-Zawa’id about this tradition is the existence of Abdul Rahman Ibn Ammar Ibn Sa’d among the narrators. However, by reference to Rijal books, it becomes clear that no one has totally rejected him. Ibn Habban, in contrast, has considered him among the trustworthy narrators. It is interesting that despite these valid traditions recorded in the most authentic books of the Sunnis, Ibn Taymiyah says, “Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal is added by the heretic.” Nawawi has rejected it in Al-Majmu’. The major problem that some people have mentioned about Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal is that the practice of Ibn Umar and Abu Umamah, the Companions, is not proof and the traditions about their practice are not successive.
It should be said, in reply, that, first, some people regard the tradition and speech of the Companions as proof, as is quoted from Abu Hanifah, “We follow whatever we inherit from the Companions and investigate those of their followers and may oppose them.” Sarakhsi, too, says in Usul, “Our scholars, both the past and the late, have no difference in the fact that the speech of a Companion is proof in an issue which cannot be obtained by Qiyas.” In saying Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal, there is undoubtedly no analogy. Second, in some of the traditions, previously cited and others, Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal is attributed to the time of the Prophet (a.s) and his own assertion.
According to these traditions, the Prophet ordered to replace Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal with Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm in the Adhan of the Fajr (Morning) Prayer; yet, this does not harm our intention, since as is explicit in the tradition, this substitution is only for the Adhan of the Fajr Prayer. Therefore, the Adhan of the other Prayers should include Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal as stipulated in the same tradition. Moreover, this tradition is in contrast with the traditions that deny tathwib in Adhan and shows clearly that Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm is something added after the Prophet (a.s).
The probability of the abrogation of Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal is also impossible, since if it were so, Ibn Umar, Abu Umamah and others would be informed and it would be meaningless to mention it in their Adhan. Furthermore, traditions narrated from the Ahl al-Bayt (a.s) stipulate that Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal is a major part of Adhan in all occasions, which is revealed to the honorable Prophet.
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Wahhabism Exposed! by Zhul-fiqar: 1:03pm On Mar 17|
if what we include in the adhan as mustahab (something that is done out of preference),the clause that "Aliyun Waliullah",how can you say that is not a pillar in Islam? go back to Quran verse 5:55. the clause in the adhan is stated based on verse 5:55.i hope you have read the Quran previously,and you know what that clause is.and the clause is there,regardless if you believe "wali" means "friend" or "master". in the Quran you can derive many pillars of Islam,and testimonies a Muslim believe in,like Qiyama,the prophets,the angels,paradise,hell fire,etc.this is no bid'ah if it is found in the Quran.
I believe you do not read what others present as evidence.you should deal with facts in Sunni books to see clearly Umar tampered with the adhan as the Sunnis pronounce it.i will copy in my next post the relevant info and post.
it is only just to call a liar a liar.if Ayatollah al-Haidary said he would prove how she was deceitful and a liar,then show us the video in which he did that.there are historical records we can examine.however,it still doesn't mean we would use offensive words on Aisha,more than what is proven.if the Prophet (s) said he would cut off the hand of his own daughter if she is caught stealing,then there is nothing offensive in proving wrong what another person has said or reported.in fact one of the greatest insult the Prophet (s) get from non-muslims,is based on the hadiths from Aisha that she was an infant when the Prophet (s) married her.and historical records aside from the hadiths in Bukhari,present the fact that Aisha was far above the age she claims when she was married by the Prophet (s).
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|Islam for Muslims / Re: Know The Sunnis And Run Away From Them by Zhul-fiqar: 11:03am On Mar 16|
Sunnis Believe the Quran Has Been Tampered With (Tahreef)
in one of the most esteemed Sunni books,Sunan Ibn Majah, Book of Nikah, Hadith # 1934,it is reported:
Narrated Aisha 'The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept
under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah (SAWW.) expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper."
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Know The Sunnis And Run Away From Them by Zhul-fiqar: 11:02am On Mar 16|
Sunnis and Terrorism
Sunni terrorists whether the boko haram in Nigeria,the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan or the al-qaeda in Iraq,fanatical mobs in Egypt (against Coptic Christians) and on 9/11 in New York,have killed innocent civilians (both Christians and Shia Muslims) in their places of worship.in Pakistan alone,over 20,000 Shia Muslims have been killed!
Genocide Of Shia Muslims In Pakistan
A Timeline Of Sectarian Terrorism Against Shia Muslims
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Know The Shia And Run Away From Them by Zhul-fiqar: 10:57am On Mar 16|
Know The Sunnis And Run Away From Them
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Know The Shia And Run Away From Them by Zhul-fiqar: 10:56am On Mar 16|
Paschal007: @op seriously? Imagine On a bright sunny, beautiful weekend lyk dis a shia babe approaches me nd asks 4 muta 4 d weekend. U really expect me run?
mut'ah by Shia women is done with fellow Shia.but you could try your luck with a Sunni girl.they have what they call "misyar marriage".they will accept you.
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Know The Sunnis And Run Away From Them by Zhul-fiqar: 10:54am On Mar 16|
Sunnis Do Not Believe Prophet Muhammad (s) is the Last Prophet
among the misguided Sunni sects is the ahmadiyyah sect which holds that the Prophet Muhammad (s) was not the last Prophet of Allah,as the Holy Quran teaches.they believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a "prophet".furthermore,in addition to holding the Quran,the Sunnis who adhere to wahhabism/salafism have a book known as "Kitabul Tawhid" (book of monotheism) which they adhere to.this book was writen by an 18th century heretic from Arabia,Ibn Abdul-Wahab.he is considered an "heretic" by the account of his own father and brother.the point is,if the Quran is the greatest book on earth and the book of the one true God,why do these people need another "book of monotheism"?
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Know The Sunnis And Run Away From Them by Zhul-fiqar: 10:48am On Mar 16|
he refused to debate.he said his thread is not open for debate.
this is what he said:
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Sunnis Enjoin Evil and Forbid Good
Mukhtar Ibn Ubaydullah al-Thaqafi (ra) was another great and god-fearing companion of the Prophet (s) that the Sunnis love to hate and slander.Mukhtar (ra) was the one who stood up after the Tragedy of Karbala,to avenge the blood of Imam Hussein (as),grandson of the Prophet (s),and his Ahlul-Bayt (as).Sunnis in support of their predecessors of the Umayyad dynasty oppose Mukhtar (ra) who stood up against Ummayyad rule,which is responsible for the killings that took place in the Tragedy of Karbala.Sunnis slander him as an "opportunist" and in other words "selfish" and "pretentious" (or hypocritical) for raising a banner to kill the murderers of Imam Hussein (as).see Sunan ibn Majah 2688.
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Sunnis Slander the Companions
Hujr Ibn Adi (ra) was one of the companions of the Prophet (s) who was a Shia of Amirul-Mu'mineen Ali Ibn Abi Talib (as).he was a great and virtuous sahabi (companion).
Hujr (ra) refused the cursing of Imam Ali (as),which was started by the Sunni caliph Muawiya.and therefore he was apprehended and killed.since Hujr (ra) is one of the good companions of the Prophet (s) that opposed the Ummayyad rule,which denigrated the Household members of the Ahlul-Bayt (as),Sunnis find excuses for Muawiya as to why Hujr (ra) was killed and go to the extent of calling Hujr (ra) a "troublemaker".
1.) Hujr was a virtuos companion
Ibn Atheer in ‘Asad ul Ghaba’ counts Hujr amongst the great Sahaba:
كان من فضلاء الصحابة
“He was amongst the virtuous Sahaba”
Asadul Ghaba fi Ma’rafat Sahabah, Volume 1 page 244
2.) Muawiya killed Hujr Ibn Adi (ra)
“It is narrated from Hassan Basri that he used to malign Muawiya for four things, for fighting against Ali, for the murder of Hadrath Hujr Bin Adi, Mu’awiya’s declaring that Ziyad was his brother and for taking the bayah of his son Yazid”
Al Bidayah Wal Nihayah (Urdu), Vol 8 page 973
“Ziyad cursed Ali as it was their custom at that time. On hearing this Hujr ibn ‘Adi stood and praised Ali, and so he (Ziyad) tied him up in chains and sent him to Muwaiya’ (1)
Footnote (1): And ibn Jawzi narrated the same from Hasan Al Basri…that Muwaiya killed Hujr and his companions, and Hujr was one of the greatest people.”
Tarikh Ibn Wardi Volume 1, page 255
3.) Sunnis insult Hujr Ibn Adi (ra) for standing up to the tyranny of the Ummayyad rule
one of the authors of the Nasibi Sunni site (ansar.org) stated:
"Mu’awiyah did not kill Hijr because he refrained from insulting Ali, and this is calumniation. What the historians mentioned about the reason behind killing Hijr bin Uday was that Ziyad, the ruler of Al-Kufah appointed by Mu’awiyah, once gave a prolonged speech. So Hijr bin Uday called for the prayer, but Ziyad went along with his speech. So, Hijr and his group threw stones at Ziyad. Ziyad wrote Mu’awiyah telling him what Hijr did and Ziyad reckoned that as corruption on earth. Hijr used to do this with the governor of Al-Kufah who preceded Ziyad. Mu’awiyah ordered that Hijr be sent to him. When Hijr reached there, Mu’awiyah ordered to kill Hijr".
Muawiya,also killed Malik al-Ashtar,Muhammad Ibn Abu Bakr,Amr Ibn al-Hamiq,and Abdurehman bin Hasaan (may Allah be pleased with them),all of whomm were companions and virtuous men and Shia of Imam Ali (as).
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|Islam for Muslims / Re: Know The Shia And Run Away From Them by Zhul-fiqar: 1:21am On Mar 16|
abulbanaat: They describe the Prophet in the worst of the manners. In 'Bihaar al'Anwaar' 43/78, this is one of their books, that 'THE PROPHET USED TO PLACE HEADS BETWEEN THE bosoms OF (HIS DAUGHTER) FAATIMAH.'
please quote the exact wordings and let us see.
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Know The Shia And Run Away From Them by Zhul-fiqar: 1:20am On Mar 16|
abulbanaat: They were the ones who said the Prophet actually saw the unclothedness of Zaynab bint Jahsh while the latter was taking a bath. They said the Prophet said on that occurence, 'PRAISE TO HE WHO HAS CREATED YOU (SO BEAUTIFULLY).' See their book, Uyuun Akhbaar Ar-Ridaa p.113. The noisemakers here will cry foul and say it is another lie.
here is a link to Uyun Akhbar al-Rida (as):
there is nothing of what you claim.
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Know The Shia And Run Away From Them by Zhul-fiqar: 11:30am On Mar 15|
abulbanaat: You are welcome back O truth seeker. The truth, they say, is a sharp sword. It cuts into pieces.
It is so obvious you cannot withstand a debate or discussion.you talk about manners and civility while you spread out of fashion wahhabi and saudi petro dollar lies against the Shia.
Stop telling us unfounded claims and lies about what wahhabi/salafist scholars say.tell us the references in Shia books where your claims can be validated.
The kuffar insult our Prophet (s) and make unfounded claims against Islam,or they go as far as twisting Quranic verses.it won't make the claims right or true.bring your proof.
You obviously have a phobia for Shia or you're just plain silly! You don't want to debate because you cannot prove your claims.we want you not to fear us,but to engage us.come let's discuss.
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Know The Shia And Run Away From Them by Zhul-fiqar: 11:23am On Mar 15|
abulbanaat: You are welcome back O truth seeker. The truth, they say, is a sharp sword. It cuts into pieces.
Abu bakr,Umar,Usthman,Muawiya and the likes disliked by Shia,do not form the majority of companions.we love Bilal al-Habashi,Muhammad Ibn Abu Bakr,Salman al-Farisi,Hujr Ibn Adi,Miqdad Ibn Aswad,Malik al-Ashtar,Zuhayr Ibn Qayn,Mukhtar al-Thaqafi,Ammar Ibn Yasser (ra),etc are those not companions too?
There are companions like Hujr Ibn Adi and Mukhtar al-Thaqafi (ra) that Sunnis slander.so we can also claim Sunnis slander the companions.
The issue is your write-ups (copy/paste) are piles of rubbish with too many lies intended to incite hatred and block any scholarly discussion.too many lies!
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Know The Shia And Run Away From Them by Zhul-fiqar: 11:10am On Mar 15|
abulbanaat: You are welcome back,
Nusayris are as much Shia,as the ahmadiyyah are Sunnis.
You continue with blind lies.
And if I ask you for the source of your claim even against the nusayris,you will not bring one nusayri or shia source to prove what you're saying.you will only tell us this scholar or that said.
You have to prove what you're saying.
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Know The Shia And Run Away From Them by Zhul-fiqar: 11:06am On Mar 15|
abulbanaat: And they call for a debate! That is the lot of the people of desires, they trade on debates not convictions.
Prove the Shia believe the Quran has been tampered with.another lie.
Who says the sunnah of the Prophet (s) must only be in bukhari,muslim,abu dawud?
Go on youtube,you will find many Shia qaris (reciters) of the holy Quran.one is Sayyid Sadaqat Ali,with a magnificient voice.
I can go to sunni books like "sahih" bukhari and bring you tons of sunni hadiths claiming the Quran was tampered with.even Aisha reported a hadith that a goat chew the so called "verse of stonning".so it is Sunnis who "believe" the Quran is tampered with.
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Holy Quran 5:55-tbaba You're Invited Here by Zhul-fiqar: 9:44am On Mar 15|
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Know The Shia And Run Away From Them by Zhul-fiqar: 12:04am On Mar 15|
maclatunji: ^I think you make sense by asking those questions. OP, bring evidence of the things you post.
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Know The Shia And Run Away From Them by Zhul-fiqar: 11:37pm On Mar 14|
Mr. Abulbaanat,you're a great liar worse than the ignorant non-muslim,just as the people you're quoting are also great liars.is there any evidence in Shia sources for your lies and slander against the Shia? Bring your proof if you're truth.don't tell us what your wahhabi/salafist scholars claim.How can you believe whatever some wahhabi/salafist writes? Such methodology is why you said this thread isn't open for debate.you came blinded with the intention to blind others.but at least tell us in which Shia book or which Shia alim express the lies you're spreading to defame others.I wonder how such a thread based on slander,hatred and lies can continue without a ban by the moderator.
Heap of lies!!! These followers of the terror,intolerant and violent ideology of wahhabism/salafism don't fear Allah!!!
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Holy Quran 5:55-tbaba You're Invited Here by Zhul-fiqar: 8:43pm On Mar 14|
ghazzal:It was a mistake if I used the word "prostrate".I must have mistakenly translated Rukoo (bowing on your knees/kneeling) as "prostration"/sujood (forehead on the ground).the verse has to do with rukoo and not sujood.
The verse does not order you to give alms while you pray as a direct order.the verse orders you on the question of imamate/leadership/wilayah/mastership and who you must obey as an order from above.however,in the event the scenario upon which the verse was revealed repeats itself with you,then you can out of a sincere action offer alms while praying.
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Holy Quran 5:55-tbaba You're Invited Here by Zhul-fiqar: 4:38pm On Mar 13|
ghazzal: MY Brother,
It was in Rukoo (bowing down on the knees).but regardless,replacing "bow" with "humble themselves",instead of the direct action, which is "bowing", to show humility,doesn't make any difference as I earlier explained.
Using "while" or "and" is not a matter of choice of word,especially when it is arabic words involved,and the usage of the particular word in the verse that is only correctly reflected with "while" instead of "and",sends the message of an action carried out.the verse says "wa hoom rakioon" (while they're bowing down),not "wa hoom yarkaoon" (and they bow) to generalize that muslims bow in humility or something they do generally.in english such play with words can go unnoticed,but not in arabic where every word and its usage carries an action or message.
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