@OP and others, insulting Islam and muslims,haven't you seen the below? :

Genocide Of Shia Muslims In Pakistan
https://www.nairaland.com/1120418/genocide-shia-muslims-pakistan

A Timeline Of Sectarian Terrorism Against Shia Muslims
https://www.nairaland.com/961495/timeline-sectarian-terrorism-against-shia

You're stereotyping extremists,especially wahhabis/salafis as "muslims" and making their bad actions representative of Islam,when Muslims have suffered more from them,and Islam's reputation is insulted by haters like you who just don't like Islam out of prejudice,using them as pretext to exploit the situation.

Imagine if it was in a muslim country spectators leave because a jew from russia scored a goal.a chechen muslim is a russian,legally speaking.russia is not at war with israel and they have diplomatic ties (even chechenya/russia is/are far away from the middle east).lest anyone mistake muslim states that are at war with israel,and accuse them of racism for boycotting zionist israelis (not jews generally).not all jews are zionist jews like the israelis.

Iran pres. censures killings of Shias in Pakistan

[img]http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20130310/tahmasebi20130310215323113.jpg[/img]
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:54PM GMT

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has censured the killings of Shia Muslims in Pakistan.

Ahmadinejad made the remarks in a statement published on the Iranian president’s official website on Sunday.

Ahmadinejad said those behind the killings “have no goals except to create a gap among Islamic sects.”

The Iranian president also expressed his condolences for the killings, and called on the Pakistani authorities to find those responsible for the attacks.

Earlier in the day, a total of 234 members of Majlis (the Iranian Parliament) released a statement, censuring the targeted killing of Pakistani Shias.

“The repeated brutal slaying of innocent Pakistani Shias is undoubtedly a plot hatched by the enemies of Islam -- particularly the US, Britain and their regional accomplices…,” the statement read.

Militants have been waging a violent campaign against Shia Muslims in Pakistan for several years.

Shias living in the Kurram Tribal Agency, which is located in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas, have been facing a humanitarian crisis since November 2007, when extremist groups cut off the area from the rest of the country.

Local sources say hundreds of Shia Muslims have been killed in Kurram since the start of the campaign.

Shia religious gatherings have also been targeted in various areas of Pakistan over the past few months.

NT/HN

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/03/10/292912/iran-pres-censures-killings-of-shias/

Imagine verse 5:55 was revealed in honor of Umar (Allah forbid) to be our "master" after Allah and the Prophet (s)? Sunnis would have hanged that verse around their necks till Qiyamah!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gZ6xMMLXQE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gZ6xMMLXQE

sino: ^I read it quite well, still, i find it difficult to accept.

You know Christian trinitarians point to the fact that Allah (swt) in the Quran uses "We" for Himself.do you find it hard too to believe "We" is used instead of "I"?

The act of salah is a direct communication with Allah SWT that we are encouraged to pay full concentration, any other act perfomed during salah which is not part of it nullifies the salah. Do you think Allah SWT would sanction such an act so much to reveal an ayah in its regard? we are always informed about the almost perfect concentration of Ali r.a during salah.

You're mixing up issues of salat,concentration that have to do with "khushoo" and the importance of zakat or giving charity.

The action of Imam Ali (as) by given alms to the poor after no one did in the mosque,is in line with Surat al-Dhahr,where it is stated that:"and the needy do not turn away".it doesn't mean Imam Ali (as) doesn't concentrate,and it doesn't affect salat at all.one lesson the Muslims can derive from this verse and the action of Imam Ali (as) is his compassion for the needy who had no one to help him.so much so,the holy Prophet (s) had said that if you sleep while your neighbor is with an empty stomach you're not a muslim!

The plural issue still baffles me, in verses in which Allah SWT uses such plural, i have never read where it is in honour of just one person, it is usually referring to groups of Muslims during the time of revelation, as well as the later generations.

"Paying Zakat during bowing (ruku') is not a Sunnah. This is accepted by ALL Muslim scholars. Thus the above verse does not seek to set down the desirability or the necessity of paying Zakat during bowing (ruku'), nor does it want to lay it down as duty or something recommended legally in the Islamic sense as a kind of Divine Law (Shari'ah). Rather it is a reference to an action which took place when someone did something in the external world, and now Quran is pointing that action to indicate thatperson. In an indirect way, the verse wants to say that this WALI is a special WALI whose authority has been put beside the authority of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) since they are jointly mentioned.

One may object that even though Ali did this action, a plural form has been used in the above verse, thus it might encompass some other people as well.

First, the history tells us that there was no other individual who did this at the time of Prophet.

Second, this way of approach in Quran which uses plural form but actually referring to just one person who did that particular act, is NOT uncommon in Quran. For instance Allah mentioned:

"They say: If we return to Medina the mightier (element) will soon drive out the weaker." (63:8 )

Here also Quran is referring to a story which took place, and uses the phrase "They say" while the speaker of the above sentence was not any more than one person.

According to Shia and Sunni commentators he was Abdullah
Ibn Ubayy Ibn Salul.

Quran tries to avoid using names of people as much as possible. This is
done for many reasons such as generality to make it a universal book, and also to make Quran safer from any possible alteration by those who hate a special individual who has been praised in Quran, or by those who love a person who has been denounced in Quran.

Using plural while referring to single, has another application too.Sometimes the act of a single person is worthier than the deeds of a whole nation. This was the case for Prophet Muhammad, Imam Ali, as well as the case for Prophet Abraham. Quran mentions that Abraham (AS) was a nation
(Ummah), meaning that his deeds was more valuable than all other people.

Allah stated:

"Lo! Abraham was a nation (Ummah) who was obedient to Allah,by nature upright, and he was not of the idolaters" (Quran 16:120)

The famous and respected companion of Prophet, Ibn Abbas (RA) said:

"There is no verse in Quran in which the term `Believers', unless Ali is at the top of them and the chief of them and the more virtuous one mong them. Surely Allah has admonished the companions of Muhammad (PBUH) in Quran, but He did not refer to Ali except with honor."

what about verse 56, 57 and 58? is it still about Ali r.a or are these verses not connected?

Only verse 56 is a continuation of verse 55.

i know your point of view is that of shia, i can't accept it, your evidence is not proof enough for me.

Holy Quran 13:40
"...for only the delivery of the message is (incumbent) on you, while calling (them) to account is Our (business) ".

Holy Quran 42:48
"But if they turn aside, We have not sent you as a watcher over them; on you is only to deliver (the message); and surely when We make man taste mercy from Us, he rejoices thereat; and if an evil afflicts them on account of what their hands have already done, then-surely man is ungrateful".

sino: Reading this verse and the subsequent 2 to 3 verses, without the need to consult any tafasirs, quite explains it.

i don't know how you guys comeup with Ali r.a being a successor to the prophet SAW from this verse. Do you guys mean to say "those" "aladhyna" as used in this verse refers to only Ali r.a?

Talking of "wa hum raki'un", even though i am not a mufasir, the same word was used for Mariam A.S to join congregational prayers, when Allah SWT commanded her. hence, we can translate "wa hum raki'un" to mean and those who pray in congregation. This translation given is what can be found in tafsir ibn Katheer.
Allahu 'Allam.

Do you give zakat while you do ruku? Who are "those" that give zakat "while they" bow? Can you identify "them" by reading the verse? The plural is used to refer to the action of one man, and the reasons are explained in one of the links already given,why in many places of either praise,or condemnation in the Quran,Allah prefers not to use the names of people.a number of english translations uses the word "and" instead of "while".it is unanimously agreed by Sunnis and Shia,past and present,that this verse was revealed in honor of Imam Ali (as).and when the Sunni is convinced the verse was revealed in honor of Imam Ali (as),he challenges the meaning of "mawla" or "wali".

Please read the materials already presented and insha'Allah you will get more details and answers to your question,and you will be nothing but convinced.

tbaba1234:

what a joke!! I shouldn't even dignify this with a response

Prophet: said to zaid, “You are our brother and our Mawla.” [sahi bukhari, 3:863]

I guess Zaid is supposed to be Khaliph/imam as well

No,because in this context the word "mawla" expresses a relationship between the Prophet (s) and Zaid (ra).therefore,it cannot be that Zaid (ra) is the "master" of the Prophet (s).the Prophet's (s) mawlaship embraces mastership/leadership and friendship.therefore,in this context Zaid (ra) can be said to be the "friend" or "helper" of the Prophet (s) and not "master".

Zaid's mawlaship is a lesser one than that of the Prophet (s).so in respect to the Prophet (s),Zaid (ra) cannot be the Prophet's (s) master;only Allah (swt) is.

But when Allah (swt) is putting in the same sentence/verse His mawlaship,then that of the Prophet (s),and declares to the believers that Himself,the Prophet (s) and Imam Ali (as) are the "mawlas" of the believers,then Imam Ali's (as) mawlaship is elevated to that of Allah and the Prophet,both of whom embrace mastership and friendship.Allah and Prophet's mawlaship are not demoted to the significance of mawlaship of ordinary believers among themselves.you cannot restrict Allah's or the Prophet's mawlaship only to "friendship".its a superior mawlaship.

But had Allah included the generality of believers after mentioning Imam Ali (as),and say "the believers are mawla of one another",then we can understand mawlaship is only "friendship" because the generality of believers are not masters to themselves in a revealed way,but friends or helpers.in verse 5:55,a superior power is dictating to the believers who they should look up to.a mawla can be a friend but not every friend is a mawla in the sense of mastership.

In a similar way,God cannot beget a son because he is the Creator,and cannot be limited/demoted to be a father literally,as christians have done.

Sahih muslim Bk 31, Number 6121: Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Quraish, Ansar, Muzaina, Juhaina and Ghifar, they are my friends[mawalli] and there is no friend of theirs besides Allah and His Messenger.

The whole tribe is supposed to be khilafah ... And wait, they must be the masters of the prophet as well.

You're being outrightly silly.its not sarcasm because you're fighting with yourself to miss the point here.

Obviously,those tribes are "helpers" of themselves.but when the same word is used for Allah and the Messenger,their relationship based on the word "mawla" takes a higher significance in respective to the tribes.Allah and the Prophet's mawlaship over the tribes is superior to the mawlaship of one tribe to another. in the Quran,we are told "the Prophet is awla (has more authority) on the believers than themselves".

Mawla like many arabic words have different meanings depending on the context... Mawla doesn’t mean that a person was declared as Khaliph. The hypocrisy of the shia is ridiculous.

You've just contradicted yourself.it has many meanings,so why are you accusing the Shia of hypocrisy for choosing the right meaning for the context of mawla in verse 5:55? How are you sure your own choice of meaning is right? Therefore how are you sure you're not the one being an hypocrite? You have given no reason why we should believe the context in verse 5:55 is "friendship" only,when Allah's mawlaship is not restricted to friendship and have a higher significance.you gave us examples of instances the word is used as "friendship" or "helper".you also have only repeated by stating what we already know and stated that the word "mawla" have many meanings.

In the event of Ghadir Khumm too,Sunni go hypocritical when again they define the word "mawla" as "friend" in spite of the fact that the context based on the other statements of the Prophet (s) for Imam Ali (as) doesn't at all mean "friendship",but a higher significance of mawlaship which encompasses mastership.that can be seen in the reaction of abu bakr and umar who congratulated Imam Ali (as) for becoming the mawla of every believer after the Prophet's (s) declaration in Ghadir Khumm.if the word in that context doesn't mean "master",then Imam Ali (as) cannot be said to have "become",because believers are already "friends" of one another.anything by sunnis to deny Imam Ali's (as) mastership and protect the image (?) Of abu bakr and umar.

I am not one to bash sects otherwise so Continue in your delusion instead on wasting my time..

I'm happy you did because its obvious,this verse brought you out of your comfort zone and gave you a spark.you need more of this,to think.you can't apply your "all knowing" attitude when it comes to issues of contention between Shia and Sunnis.expect more shocks!

Please do not call me again I don't have time for this.

Thank you.

Please your attention is greatly appreciated.no need to cry and vent frustration and anger.its for your own good,even though I can sense you were shaking and your faith trembled pele!

In the above two articles I presented from al-islam.org on verse 5:55,reference is twice made to the part 2 of the article on the event of Ghadir Khumm,where also Prophet Muhammad (s) used the word "mawla" and said: "of whosoever I am his "mawla" (master),Ali is his mawla".in another tradition in Sahih Tirmidhi the Prophet (s) said: "Ali is the "mawla" of every believer after me".it is either Allah (swt) and the Prophet (s) deliberately wanted to mislead muslims-if the Sunni claim,that anywhere the word "mawla" in reference to Imam Ali (as) is made means a simple "friend" like any other believer is "friend" of another,is true-or indeed the word "mawla" means "master" and someone holding authority and leadership (as the Shia believe), as in every context the word "mawla" is made in reference to Imam Ali (as),it is tied to the "mawla-ship" of Allah (swt) and the Prophet (s) upon all the believers.

Below is the link of the part 2 of the article on Ghadir Khum explaining "the Meaning of Wali, Mawla, and Wilayah":

http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter3/3.html

As for the concept of Wali, we do not need any new chapter to prove it. The concept of Wali has been mentioned in Quran with its general as well as its special meaning. Here is just one of the verses with its special meaning:

* Only * Allah is your WALI, and His Messenger and those among believers who keep alive prayer AND pay Zakat while they are in the state of bowing. (Quran 5:55)

The above verse clearly suggests that * not * all believers are your WALI with the special meaning of WALI in this verse which is "master" and "leader". Here again, WALI does not mean just friend, because all the believers are friends of each other. The above verse mentions that only three items are your special WALI: Allah, Prophet Muhammad, and Imam Ali for he was the only one at the time of Prophet who paid Zakat while he was
in the state bowing (ruku'). Muslim scholars are unanimous in reporting
this event. Here are just some of the Sunni references which mentioned the revelation of the above verse of Quran in the honor of Imam Ali:

(1) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v5, p38
(2) Tafsir al-Kashshaf, by al-Zamakhshari, Egypt 1373, v1, pp 505,649
(3) Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ahmad Ibn Muhammad al-Tha'labi
(4) Tafsir al-Bayan, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, v6, pp 186,288-289
(5) Tafsir Jamiul Hukam al-Quran, by Muhammad Ibn Ahmad Qurtubi, v6, p219
(6) Tafsir al-Khazin, v2, p68
(7) Durr al-Manthur, by al-Suyuti, v2, pp 293-294
( 8 ) Asbab al-Nuzool, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, Egypt 1382, v1, p73 on the
authority of Ibn Abbas
(9) Asbab al-Nuzool, by al-Wahidi
(10) Sharh al-Tjrid, by Allama Qushji
(11) Ahkam al-Quran, al-Jassas, v2, pp 542-543
(12) Kanzul Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v6, p391
(13) al-Awsat, by Tabarani, narrated from Ammar Yasir
(14) Ibn Mardawayh, on the authority of Ibn Abbas
... and more ...

Please see the article of Ghadir Khum, Part II, for more information and
clarification about the above verse.

http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter8/5.html

Certainly your Master is ...

"Certainly your Master is Allah and His Messenger and those who believe who eshtablish prayer and give charity while they bow.And who ever takes Allah and His Messenger and those who believe as a guardian, so surely the party of Allah will be victorious".(Quran 5:55-56)

It is unanimous that the verse descended about Imam Ali (AS) when he gave
away in charity his ring while he was in a state of kneeling in his prayer.

This is also authenticated successively according to the 12 Imams. Here are
some of the Shi'ite references

- Bihar al-Anwar, by Allama Majlisi
- Tafseer al-Mizan, by Allama Tabatabai
- Tafseer al-Kashaf, by Allama Muhammad Jawad Mughniyah
- al-Ghadir, by Allama Abdul Husain Ahmad al-Amini
- Asbat al-Hudate, by Allama Muhammad Ibn Hasan Amuli

But for the sake of the readers I shall produce some Sunni references, and
traditions in this respect through other sources. Many Sunni commentators of the Quran confirm the fact that the above verse descended on the honor of Imam Ali (AS) and many Sunni scholars have also mentioned the unanimity
or consensus of opinion in their books. Here are some references in this
regard:

(1) Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ahmad Ibn Muhammad al-Tha'labi, under Verse 5:55
(2) Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, v6, pp 186,288-289
(3) Tafsir Jamiul Hukam al-Quran, by Muhammad Ibn Ahmad Qurtubi, v6, p219
(4) Tafsir al-Khazin, v2, p68
(5) Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Suyuti, v2, pp 293-294
(6) Tafsir al-Kashshaf, by al-Zamakhshari, Egypt 1373, v1, pp 505,649
(7) Asbab al-Nuzool, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, Egypt 1382, v1, p73 on the authority of Ibn Abbas
( 8 ) Asbab al-Nuzool, by al-Wahidi, on the authority of Ibn Abbas
(9) Sharh al-Tjrid, by Allama Qushji
(10) Ahkam al-Quran, al-Jassas, v2, pp 542-543
(11) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v5, p38
(12) Kanzul Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v6, p391, Tradition #5991
(13) al-Awsat, by Tabarani, narrated from Ammar Yasir
(14) Ibn Mardawayh, on the authority of Ibn Abbas
... and more.

There is also a tradition related by Ibn Salam whose chain of sources rises
up to the Prophet (PBUH&HF) himself. Please refer to the Sahih of Nisa'i or
the commentary of Sura Ma'idah in Jam'a Bayn al-Sihah al-Sittah.

In Ghayah al-Maram, p18, Sayyid al-Bahrayni forwards twenty four (24)
traditions from sources other than the Ahlul-Bayt, all supporting the above
fact.

For the sake of brevity, I am going to confine my self to a tradition
occuring in the commentary of the Quran by Abi Is'haq Ahmad Ibn Muhammad
ibn Ibrahim Nisaboori al-Tha'labi. A few comments on the respected
personality: He died in 337 AH and Ibn Khallikan gives an account of his
death saying: "He was unique as a commentator of the Quran and his Tafsir
al-Kabir is superior to all other interpretations."

When he reached this verse he recorded this in his Tafsir al-Kabir on the
authority of Abu Dhar al-Ghifari, who said:

"Both of my ears may turn deaf and both of my eyes may become blind if I speak a lie. I heard the Messenger of Allah, Allah's blessings and peace be upon him and his posterity, saying, "Ali is the guide of the righteous and the slayer of the infidels. he who has helped him is victorious and he who has abandoned him is forsaken." One day I said my prayers in the company of the Prophet. A beggar came to the mosque and begged for alms, but nobody gave him anything. Ali was in a state of kneeling in the prayer. He pointed out his ring to the beggar, who appraoched him and removed the ring from his finger.

Thereupon the Prophet, Allah's blessings and peace be upon him and his posterity,
implored Allah the Mighty and Glorious, saying: "O Allah! My brother. Moses begged you saying, 'My Lord, delight my heart and make my task easy and undo the knot in my tongue so that they may understand me,and appoint from my kinsmen, Haroon, my brother, as my vizier, and strenghthen my back with him and make him participate in my mission so that we may glorify You and remember You more frequently. Certainly You see us.' And You inspired him: 'O Musa! All your requests have been granted.' O Allah! I am your slave and your prophet. Delight my heart and make my task easy and appoint from among my kinsmen Ali as my vizier and strengthen my back with him."

Abu Dhar, then, proceeded

By Allah, the Messenger of Allah, Allah's blessings and peace be upon him and his posterity had not yet finished his supplication when the trustworthy Gabriel descended to him with this Verse

"Certainly Allah is Your Master, and His Prophet and those who believe who establish prayer and give charity while they bow. And whoever takes Allah and His Messenger and those who believe as a guardian, so surely the party of Allah will be victorious."

Sunni reference: Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi under the commentary of verses 5:55-56 of Quran.


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A few comments by the other Commentators
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Allama al-Tabarsi, while commenting on this verse in Majma' al-Bayan
states: "The plural form has been used for Ali, Commander of the faithful,
in order to express his honor and eminence." And masters of the Arabic
language use the plural form for an individual to show respect.

Allama al-Zamakshari in his Tafsir al-Kashshaf, has mentioned another nice
point which is as follows:

"If you inquire how this plural word is applicable to Ali, may Allah be gracious to him, who is an individual, I shall say that though this verse is about Ali, an individual, the plural form is used in order to presuade others to act similarly and to give alms as readily as Ali did. There is also an implied instruction that the faithful should keep themselves always on the look out for occasions of acts of sympathy, benevolence and charity to the poor and the needy, and readily do the needful without waiting till the completion of even so important a duty as saying a prayer".

Sunni reference: Tafsir al-Kashshaf, by al-Zamakhshari, v1, p649

Please refer to the Part II of the article of Ghadir Khum for further
argument in this regard.

http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter3/5.html

In sequel to the below,and tbaba's decision to run again,this thread has been created.we know running away is a "sunnah" of one of tbaba's masters (namely Umar Ibn al-Khattab) as per tafsir of verse 3:144 and the Battle of Uhud,but that doesn't mean at all tbaba should keep running away (from the truth of Imamate of Imam Ali and the pure members of the Ahlul-Bayt) throughout his life because his desires don't make him feel like calling himself a Shia Muslim!

Zhul-fiqar:
@tbaba

What does the below verse means to you,and what does the highlighted part means?

Quran 5:55-the Verse of Wilayah

"Only Allah is your Wali and His Messenger and those who believe and keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow".

Note: "Wali" is the singular of "awliyaa".it can mean friend,protector,guardian and MASTER.

https://www.nairaland.com/1207146/please-let-good-muslim-explain#14504668

MacDaddy01:

You accept which translation? Put forward the name of the author/version of such english translations of the Quran. I dare you. Let's see how recently it was written.


Dont run away.

Aside from that translation,Ayatollah Misbah Yazdi is also of the view that the word "wa-adribuhunna" means "to separate" and not "to strike/beat".this is well grounded in the hadith where the Prophet (s) said "strike them with hunger and na-kedness".that is the intent of "separation".

But if I may ask,what is wrong with an upright man hitting a wife that is bringing shame to the house after warning her and even separating bed from her? What would you do? What is the better alternative? Divorce? Or is it because the whiteman sees nothing wrong with flirting/adultery? In Islam adultery can be punishable with flogging/death.oyinbo don't have law against adultery.

@tbaba

What does the below verse means to you,and what does the highlighted part means?

Quran 5:55-the Verse of Wilayah

"Only Allah is your Wali and His Messenger and those who believe and keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow".

Note: "Wali" is the singular of "awliyaa".it can mean friend,protector,guardian and MASTER.

MacDaddy01:
Lies......the word in that context was beat/strike. It is only of recent that apologists have tried to change the meaning from beat to tap lightly to separate after westerners complained about wife beating.

Interpretation.the word does mean to strike or separate.those who believe its "to strike/beat",specify how the striking/beating should be done.one hadith from the Prophet (s) does state that for the rebellious woman "to strike her with hunger and na-kedness", I.e.deprivation.

99% of the arabic tanslations translate that word in English as "beat". Are your Quranic translators then ignorant of Arabic? These are muslims that translated it not Logicboy, not christians. What is your excuse?

The Quran doesn't give an open cheque to beat women.the woman must be one acting on shame.she must be verbally warned,then have separate beds,and as a last resort to sort of salvage the marriage,she can be "struck" (separate from her and strike her with hunger and na-ked,or beat her depending on interpretation).if I'm to accept the interpretation is to beat and apply force,this is both a restraining order for men by specifying (two previous) steps to take,and also a way that rule out or minimize the chances of divorce (which muslims are taught is very much disliked by God).many muslim and non-muslim men don't follow those steps before striking their women if they feel she's up to some any extra-marital trick.

As for the hadith, there are cases of women being beaten.

Narrated Aisha:Abu Bakr came to towards me and struck me violently with his fist and said, "You have detained the people because of your necklace." But I remained motionless as if I was dead lest I should awake Allah's Apostle although that hit was very painful.

First abu bakr was aisha's father.not her husband.the Quran verse is talking about husband and wife.

This hadith and another too where aisha claimed the Prophet (s),who was her husband, pushed her don't hold.see why:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXCvnposB1k

BetaThings:

Yet the Prophet (PBUH) remained married to these women "who had all these negatives"!
Indeed a lot of people argue that believing that one is the only honest, perspiacious etc person might be construed as a form of extremism

The wives of Prophet Noah (as) and Prophet Lot (as) are damned in the Quran,and those prophets remained married to them.so? You want to go over six pages again because you can't refute a post based on Quranic evidence?

Its very boring going over the same thing over again.

beejaay: @vedzx and mac its unfortunate how u guys reason.wat does it matter if he his playing politics, the point id people were killed and mostly children.and all u could say was that he should xtop playin politics cos of its affilliation.wat will u guys av said if the victims were of another religion, and u all go about calling urself muslims when u are both smelling of something else.u shd know life is life no matter who is involved and shd be treated without any prejudice to a party

Don't mind the wannabe Wahhabi.

Deep inside in them I'm very sure they are embarassed.but unfortunate it is that they cannot willingly see where the truth lies and who is misguided and going against Islam's teachings and principles.

In the last 2 to 3 decades,over 20,000 Shia Muslims have been killed in Pakistan.in Iraq hundreds of thousands of Shia Muslims have been killed since 2003,and most of the killings were done by the same Sunni militants like extremist groups affiliated with Al-Qaeda,who parade the extremist Wahhabi/Salafist ideology.

The Quran says innocent blood should not be spilled.the Sunni extremists go into Shia places of worship (both mosques and holy cities) and bomb innocent and helpless people.in Nigeria,it is churches that are targeted and Christians die.this is NOT Islam.the beauty of Islam and the peaceful nature of Islam manifest when the Shia do not carry out reprisal attack against innocent Sunnis who have no hand in the attacks.in Islam collective or random justice is forbidden.even if the Shia want to react,our scholars quickly pass fatwas against reprisal on our Sunni brothers.only when the killers are individually identified and located,and when the authorities do not do the needed,the Shia take law into their hands to get rid of the criminals who masterminded or carried out the attacks.

The fact is most people are silent because they are biased, and disregard the fear of Allah and put it in second place to sectarian sentiments.there is a campaign going on to bring to light the genocide in Pakistan.the international community is mostly silent on it because most countries act for their interests.and there is no oil or gold in pakistan for the West to poke its nose.so those who are saying that I'm using this for politics,should ask themselves when last they genuinely saw the need to show their humanitarian feelings and speak out against the genocide of Shia Muslims in Pakistan or elsewhere,whether on facebook,tweeter,nairaland or elsewhere? The fact is people are being killed in Pakistan for being Shia,and in Nigeria for being Christians.and the attacks are carried out by extremists from the Sunni community.these people have given Islam a bad image and Muslims as a whole a bad reputation.many Christians in Nigeria for instance tend to generalize against all Muslims,regarding them terrorists.the non-muslims fail to identify that it is a minority among the Sunnis,affiliated to the violent Wahhabi/Salafist ideology,that is responsible for sectarian terror.the unfortunate thing is ordinary and peaceful Sunnis who form the majority don't speak out for one reason or the other. This terrorism is not new.it is the remnant of pre-Islamic arabian jahiliyyah,that the violent and tribal Ummayyads smuggled into the Sunni method.this same terrorism targeted the Prophet Muhammad's (s) Household,and rendered his grandson,Imam Hussain (as),beheaded in Karbala by the Ummayyad forces fighting for the caliphate of Yazid.

It is time Sunnis stop acting with suspicion and at least if not exercise the principles of Islam,they should activate their humanitarian feelings.as Imam Hussain (as) said: "even if you have no religion (you don't believe in God),at least be a free man in your world".

Bible Verses that suggest total abstinence from alcohol

Proverbs 20:1
"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise".

Proverbs 23:31-32
"Do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly!
In the end it bites like a snake and poisons like a viper."

Romans 14:21
"It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

Luke 1:15
For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit [a]while yet in his mother’s womb.

Ephesians 5:18
Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit,

What the Quran says about alcohol?

"O you who believe, intoxicants, gambling, altars and arrows of chance are afflictions which are the work of the devil; you shall stay away from him, that you may succeed".(5:90)

"They question thee about intoxicant and games of chance. Say: In both is great harm and utility for men; but the harm of them is greater than their usefulness." (2:219).

"We will show them Our signs in the Universe and in their own souls, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?" (41:53)

MacDaddy01:

There was lagosshia but he has been quiet since an embarrassing situation last year.

What "embarrassing" situation are you referring to? This is the thread and post Maclatunji used to arrogantly in humuliation ban LagosShia to this day:

https://www.nairaland.com/1107764/story-sunni-imam-shia-ayatollah/2#13067957

This forum is not an "Islam for Muslims Forum".it is a forum for confused,stubborn,arrogant,ignorant and lost Wahhabis,and their non-muslim counterparts who often display ignorance.in 2013,a time Sunni Muslims in India are taking to the streets in their millions to protest against the Saudi sponsored Wahhabi/Salafist ideology encroaching into the Sunni body:
http://www.islamicpluralism.org/2174/indian-muslims-march-in-protest-against-saudi

The best is to leave the forum to themselves.it will die a slow death in spite of the topics smuggled to the front page to fabricate traffic into the section.soon Maclatunji would see his handwork is futile as a result of excessive show of empty online power,something only done by people with complexes.as you can see,our (Shia Muslim) presence in the forum has decreased.leave them to play and ban themselves,when there's no one else for them to gang up against.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC8dF0ot0rk

justaqad: Asalam Alaykum.

Islam is a religion not just to he Arabs but to the whole world,Simply by saying 'there is no god apart from God.

شَهِدَ اللّهُ أَنَّهُ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ وَالْمَلاَئِكَةُ وَأُوْلُواْ الْعِلْمِ قَآئِمَاً بِالْقِسْطِ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ

God bears witness that there is no other god besides Him, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge."(Verse 3:18)

there is a trend among Muslims which i find not just disturbing but wrong.muslims are submitters to the will of Allah not to the will of Arabs.
we are loosing our identity to the Arabs.the essence of naming is for Identity.when i hear the name Chidi,i know he is Igbo by tribe.but it would be difficult to tell whether Gafar that resides in Oshodi is yoruba,igbo,hausa or Arab.
i fear we are loosing our cultural heritage to the Arabs.i beg to differ there is no such thing as Islamic name.i am not saying Arabic names are bad,but we ought not loose our identity.
i grew up with an Arabic name as my first name,whenever i say my first name,people start asking are you Hausa?it will take me me some seconds to introduce my self.i have since adopted my tribal name as my first,arabic second.
i am proud of my race,i am proud to be called Yoruba.i am not loosing it,not for anything.

Masalam

it is true that Nigerian Muslims have come to confuse arabic names for Islamic names.for instance you find a Nigerian Muslim bearing a name that even an arab christian would bear,and the former thinks that is evidence of his Muslim faith.that is not right.

however there is nothing wrong to have arabic names that are of significance to the Islamic faith.for instance it is honorable and good to name our children after the prophets or the Ahlul-bayt (as).our children can bear names like Muhammad,Ibrahim,Ali,Isa,Hassan,Hussein,Musa,and Dawood.

FBI arrests Malcolm X grandson en route to Iran

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Mon Feb 4, 2013 1:47PM GMT

The grandson of the late African-American civil rights leader Malcolm X has been arrested by FBI agents on his way to Iran, Press TV reports.


Muslim civil activist Malcolm Shabazz was reportedly arrested before starting his scheduled visit to Tehran to attend a conference on Hollywoodism, sources outside the United States confirmed on Monday.


The Federal Bureau of Investigation has refused to provide any information about his whereabouts.

Tehran hosted the third Hollywoodism International Conference, on the sidelines of the 31st Fajr International Film Festival in the Iranian capital Tehran on Sunday.

Many filmmakers, directors, actors, and movie critics as well as politicians and economists took part in the conference.

Mike Gravel, a former US Senator who attended the conference, condemned Hollywood’s role in imposing imperialistic views on the people of the world.

“Hollywood is just a tool of the American government and European governments to pursue their imperialistic views whether it is in economy...culture…or religion,” Gravel stated.

The first Hollywoodism and Cinema Conference was held in Iran in 2011.

KA/SS/MA

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/02/04/287235/fbi-stops-malcolm-x-grandson-trip-to-iran/

tbaba1234:

Assalamualaikum sister,

First of all, it is a good thing that you worry about your spiritual life.

We all go through up and downs. I would give you some of the things that have worked for me, personally.

1. Set three Alarms before Fajr The first- 30 mins before to say tahajjud, The Second just before Fajr, The last: 20-30 mins before the end of fajr.

If you wake up after the first Alarm constantly. Saying tahajjud will be routine before fajr.

2. Build a relationship with the Quran at fajr. Recite the Quran after fajr with the translation. Just a page everyday. Also Memorise an ayat everyday.

3. Ramadan is usually easier to do acts of Ibadah because the satan is locked up, even muslims that drink alcohol have the courage to stop drinking during Ramadan. Do not worry about a drop in acts of Ibadah after Ramadan. It happens to everyone. Just work on getting yourself back up by building good habits.

4. The Hijab is not an automatic pass to righteousness, in Islam, you never reach a safe status. We are all striving, all of us.

Keep Striving, sister....

Asaalam Aleikum

in the time of Adam (as) ,when it was announced that one of the angels/near ones to Allah would disobey Allah and fall from favor,the angels were very worried.each one of them was praying and wanting to avoid that.Iblis (satan) appeared to the angel and told them not to worry that he would pray for them.

vedaxcool:

No he wouldn't, his behavior will continue to serve his reputation "well", as I see no difference between his method of promoting "truth" and that of logicboy who only see bad in people they disagree with!

you dont deserve to take part where sane and decent people discuss,talkless of assumin the role of a judge.perhaps,you learnt that from wahhabism/salafism.not to worry,once the monarchy falls in saudi arabia the problem of muslims and the divisions implanted by the saudi petro-dollar will die a natural death and wahhabism/salafism will follow that path.too bad for people who have been deceived for too long.

some of the contributions of wahhabism/salafism,in addition to church bombings and 19 hijackers on 9/11 and chief terrorist osama bin laden being saudi wahhabis/salafists:

"Genocide Of Shia Muslims In Pakistan"
https://www.nairaland.com/1120418/genocide-shia-muslims-pakistan

"A Timeline Of Sectarian Terrorism Against Shia Muslims"
https://www.nairaland.com/961495/timeline-sectarian-terrorism-against-shia/1

the terrorist attacks in Pakistan against Shia Muslims are carried out by wahhabi/salafist terrorist groups with links to saudi arabia.in fact the Taliban which lately have been carrying out sectarian killings in pakistan against Shia Muslims,was recognized till the end by Saudi Arabia as the legitimate government of Afghanistan (before the US invasion),while the few countries that initially did cut relations with the taliban.

and we have some people who want to divert the threads with silly ideas and boring (out of fashion) arguments to hide the truth about this thread.this thread is about a saudi wahhabi/salafist preacher and the punishment given to him based on wahhabi/salafist interpretations,after he raped and killed his 5 year old daughter.this thread exposes the "dribblers".

it is time for Muslims to wake and see the truth that the bad image of terrorism and backwardness given to Islam and Muslims stems solely and only from wahhabism/salafism,in addition to the takfiri and division and killings posed by wahhabism/salafism.any muslim who denies this plain fact is doing a disservice to Islam,and intends to hide the truth and make Islam come under more wrong/false criticism especially from islamophobes.

vedaxcool: The judge is an imbe.cil in every sense of the word, and I wonder how mad man ever became a scholar? To extent of being a well know preacher? The man should be hanged immediately!

the man was convicted based on saudi arabia's "puritanical" wahhabi/salafist interpretation of Islamic law. if it was an indonesian maid that kills her saudi employer,after abusing her (as it did happen months ago), she would be sentenced to death by beheading with a sword. but here you got a rich saudi wahhabi killing his daughter.and based on wahhabi/salafist interpretation of "islamic texts",if the father kills his daughter,he would be imprisoned and fined only.and based on the same way of interpretation had the mother killed the daughter,the mother would be killed.

hope you can see reason as to why we (Shia) are opposed to wahhabism/salafism.at least this is one more reason among the many.

this is indeed another attempt by saudi wahhabis/salafists to give Islam and Muslims a bad image,in addition to their terrorism and extremist ideologies most terrorists around the world work on.