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Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by Idrisa: 1:22am On Apr 07, 2006
An Idol is anything that is used to enslave the mind of a person.

There is physical as well as mental enslavement. Physical enslavement is to physically coerce a person into servitude - to rule over a person by force.

Mental enslavement is to enslave the mind of a person instead of just the body - to manoeuvre a person into servitude while he thinks he is free.

A mentally enslaved person is of consequence a slave physically. This is the worst thing that could happen to a human being - death is by far better.


FREEDOM
A human being has a body and the soul. While the purpose of life is to uplift the soul at individual’s level of understanding, the body is the physical object by which we interact and manifest our wishes. We definitely have differences in body and environment but not in the soul.

All human beings are created free. All human beings are identical in matter of soul; there is no even gender difference in matter of soul.

The bodily differences have been created in order to organize us and make it easier to conduct our material activities in the common world that we all live. It is a necessity that we divide the activities among ourselves; this has not in anyway made anyone better.

The best among us is the best in beliefs/awareness/character; material possession or position is of no relevance completely. All the material differences are meant to give us addresses so as to recognize and organize ourselves and thereby accomplish our material goals.

The God who created us does not look at our bodies and possessions but what the heart contains.

The leader is in no way better than the ordinary person on the street nor is the Imam/Pastor better than the ordinary follower. A person of a particular race is not better than a person of another race nor is a person living in a big city better than a person living in a remote village.

A human being is either a child or an adult. All adults are independent human beings.

Every adult lives for his or her heart. Every adult must not engage in anything until he or she can trace the benefit of that thing to his or her heart if not it will be exploitation.

As it is completely prohibited for an adult to have pride so it is completely prohibited to have inferiority complex. A human being is a human being; we all belong to the same club.

When a baby is born and the umbilical cord is cut, the first out of the three ropes of dependence has indeed been cut. The baby henceforth is no more part of the mother’s body but a separate entity. The baby now gets its food through the mouth and takes in air from the raw earth. There are still two more ropes to be cut later in life.

The baby would now have to grow to become physically and mentally fit to face the challenges of life. An adult is an independent human being in matter of mind.

When a person becomes fit mentally to face life by himself, God the Almighty cuts the second umbilical cord – the new adult is henceforth responsible for the procurement of his needs and security. If his life would be sweet or bitter, it would now depend on how he utilises his God-given brain and mind. A person up till this point has become an adult though not all adults are human beings – some adults are worse than beasts.

The first umbilical cord was cut by human beings while the second one was by God. The third and the determining rope in life can only be cut by an individual himself. It is for every individual to decide to become or not to become a human being. We all have identical opportunities with respect to this choice. The goal of life is to become a human being.

What distinguishes an adult from all other creatures of God is nothing but the brain. It is by the brain that we are in charge and manipulating all other creatures. Lions are physically more powerful than us but by our brain they are in our zoos. Elephants are by far bigger than us but today we have them in our zoos. We break mountains and construct skyscrapers – thanks to the brain. You think you are small and inside you is the universe.

At adulthood, a person is confronted with two options in life; to declare his independence from all human lords and live a just and rational life or to remain a slave and be condemned in life.

Every human being is a King or Queen and must be respected thus.



ENSLAVEMENT
Human beings have primary desires and have also been given the rational sense to regulate the desires.

We all live in the same physical world so we must of necessity share the world. The Merciful Lord who created us has not created any scarcity in matter of our needs; there is abundance of everything even above our needs.

Some people due to their laziness and evil tendencies have refused to regulate their hearts and are therefore wild in their search for love and security – they have chosen to disregard the rights and respect of other human fellows.

When God sent us to earth, He sent us as individuals and he would raise us up on that great Day of Judgment to face our individual accounts. No soul bears the load of another soul. God has no relative and therefore no one is nearer to God by virtue of creation. Jesus and Muhammad (God’s blessings be on them all) were human beings like us – they were not special creatures. God is absolutely just.

God sent down His Books so that He can communicate directly with His servants. The goal of communication is to create understanding/awareness.

God is not wicked as to make his communication very difficult for comprehension nor is a human being so stupid as not to understand the simple statements of the Wise Lord.

When the Qur’an was revealed to Muhammad, he was instructed to leave the words of God exactly the way it was communicated to him so that anyone reading the Qur’an today is like Muhammad receiving the message directly from God. There is no intermediary between anyone and God in matter of worship.

The Qur’an is the only authentic book of facts that anyone can rely on. It is from God who has perfect and encompassing knowledge. Sciences may be updated but Al-Qur’an is all truth. Al-Qur’an is in total conformity with the reality of life and it is addressed to human brain.

The Qur’an put it forward to human beings not to accept what they can not understand by their brain. Faith is by conviction and no person will be punished for what he did not know convincingly. Muhammad himself challenged his opponents to bring forth what was more of truth that he would accept.

Therefore, anybody that refuses to use his brain is nothing but a fool; anyone that allows himself to be manipulated is nothing but a slave. A human being is a king that relates with other kings and queens on equal terms. The clear instruction from God is: – DO NOT OPPRESS AND DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE OPPRESSED.
The declaration that there is no lord but the Just God is what makes a person a human being.

The motivating factor in life is no doubt survival and happiness. Every human being struggles for happiness. For an adult, life is to acquire practical and permanent happiness.

The devilish politicians who have refused to correct their hearts are here today thinking they know why the heavens and the earth are created.

They are the ones that have set up one idol or the other to enslave other human beings while we have all been created to be independent of any human lord.

Rebellion against God has been the single and persistent problem that all prophets were sent to come and resolve. Muhammad happened to be the last in the chain of prophets. All prophets were sent to awaken human beings to the use of their brains and thereby save them from mental enslavement.

While other prophets were sent to specific people, Muhammad was sent to the entire humankind and therefore he came with the Universal Book that is to last for all time.

The message of all the prophets is very clear – Shun all idols and surrender only to the authority of The Almighty God.

Any independent/free human being is a Muslim. A person that is truly free of all human lords and is not a slave to his desires is definitely a Muslim regardless of what he may call himself. This is just a name to identify the true free-thinkers.

"Say: "O people of the book! Come to a common term between us and you: that we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not from among ourselves lords and patrons other than God." If then they turn back say: "bear witness that we are Muslims"

A Muslim is nothing but a Muslim. He searches and abides by the truth alone. A Muslim is any true scientist in both his vertical and horizontal aspects of life. A Muslim is a person that recognizes and obeys no authority but God. The name given to such a person by God is MUSLIM [/b]and the way of life is [b]AL-ISLAM

The vertical aspect of life is our learning into the meaning/purpose of life (what to desire). The horizontal aspect is the gratification of our desires.

While a Muslim has no right to force anyone into his own way of life, no one has the right to force him into his political arrangement.

A Muslim is not a Chinese/Japanese/English person though he may be speaking the language and his parents might have come from the particular region.

A Muslim is not a Nigerian/American/Arab though he might be living in the particular region presently.

A Muslim is not a Shia/Sunni/Christian/Jew/Hindu. These are names that have been created to keep people away from God.

It is only the devilish politicians that have emphasized ethnicity/nationality for their devilish ends.

It is the devilish politicians that always set one race/nation against the other. It is these human devils that have always set the so-called Muslims against the Christians. The same devils created a political system they called apartheid in South Africa and the same devils are now in Iraq enforcing their wishes on others.

They rule by setting one group against the other; by creating social classes; by creating idols.

All human beings are selfish and anyone who has the chance would want to become god in exception of those that have completely surrendered themselves to the only LORD and look onto the HEREAFTER.

There are those who have openly declared that they have no business with God and are therefore running their affairs without involving God in their decisions – they call it secular system. These people sincerely declare their rebellion.

The other group of people is rather hypocritical. They claim to be serving God but the reality is that they have set themselves up as the intermediaries to God. They are worshipped instead of God. They come under the name of religions and spiritual cults.

Sunnism, Shiism, Christianity, Hinduism are not different from Secularism. They are all devised by the Satans to lead people away from al-Islam.

Upon all that Moses did for the Israelites, how many people believed in him while he was alive? But today the enemies have invented ‘TALMUD’ to deter people away from the teachings of Moses.

Jesus at his time could barely count up to 12 Muslims. Alas! The devils have today turned him into an Idol after corrupting the Gospel. See how the corrupted Gospel is failing the test of Science and making many to become sceptics of religion!

The architects of Sunnism and Shiism (religions of the so-called Muslims) attempted to adulterate the Qur’an but failed so they invented their own Talmud (AL-HADITH) to replace the Qur’an. They turned Muhammad into an Idol. Muhammad who was to be a model to humankind (a genuine Muslim) is now looked upon by those so-called Muslims as a partner to God. As soon as they made Muhammad special he ceased to be a model – the very reason why an Angel was not sent in the first place.

It is not a coincidence that the Sunnis and the Shias derive their laws from al-Hadith instead of the Qur’an. How many are their judgements that are in clear contrast to the Qur’an! It is not that the devils are not fully aware that the book of God is complete in Truth and Justice and that nothing has been left out. How many so-called Muslims today are enslaved in these human invented religions!

As observed by Karl Max - Religion (in the above sense) is no doubt opium for the masses.

It is through the Hadith that the Sunnis and Shias are today stoning people to death and have made it impossible for anyone to leave their prisons. It is in the same Hadith that they have turned their slaves into robots.

They prevented the non-Muslims from reading the Qur’an (which is sent for all humankind) because they say the non-Muslims are not pure. They prevented the Muslims from studying the Qur’an because (according to them) they are so stupid that they can hardly understand anything by their brains. They need the help of the Spiritualists who supposedly have special contact with God – the enslavement.

In Q56:79, God only warns that a person has to be objective in mind to understand Him but they misinterpreted the verse for their devilish goals.

If the non-Muslims can not read the Qur’an and the Muslims can not understand it then who is the Qur’an meant for? How much I pray for the day these people study al-Qur'an as a guide in their practical life instead of mere recitation for reward?

Yes! Human religions, nationalism, and the physical symbols are among the idols of today. The idols that Abraham broke and Muhammad tried to remove from Makkah. Muhammad was not fighting against mere stones and carved wood! Both Abraham and Muhammad were fighting against mental enslavement – the lords behind the idols – the politicians of today.

What is a land that a person has to pledge to serve with all his strength and to die for? Did the land know how humankind was created? Where has God gone that a person has to serve human illusions?

Know that these are people that have rebelled against the Lord who created and is sustaining them. They are the rebels that have rebelled against their own NATURE. They are responsible for all the evils on earth. They will not stop at anything to enslave you. They have no any respect for your human dignity.

Who is ready to become a Muslim and he is my brother or she is my sister; these are my only loved ones on earth. Where are the ‘born again’ for truly they are the free human beings?

"Certainly those who say their Lord is one and are firm – they have nothing to fear nor do they have any cause to grieve."

In a Muslims community, it is not might that rules but the truth. A Muslim community is a relationship between Kings and Queens. God is our home. The enemies have no true home so they can never give you any.

Let us come together to collectively search for the truth and follow it. The Mind is too fertile that a person must either cultivate it himself or the devilish politicians take over.
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by jagunlabi(m): 11:24am On Apr 12, 2006
When the Qur’an was revealed to Muhammad, he was instructed to leave the words of God exactly the way it was communicated to him so that anyone reading the Qur’an today is like Muhammad receiving the message directly from God. There is no intermediary between anyone and God in matter of worship.

The Qur’an is the only authentic book of facts that anyone can rely on. It is from God who has perfect and encompassing knowledge. Sciences may be updated but Al-Qur’an is all truth. Al-Qur’an is in total conformity with the reality of life and it is addressed to human brain.

The Qur’an put it forward to human beings not to accept what they can not understand by their brain. Faith is by conviction and no person will be punished for what he did not know convincingly. Muhammad himself challenged his opponents to bring forth what was more of truth that he would accept.
I was agreeing with your write up until these parts came along,and i just stopped reading it.God sent a book down from heaven to the arabs,and you expect us to believe that we're all equal in the eyes of the creator?Where are the books he sent down to the yorubas,ibos,ibibios,tivs,etc?
Or are those people not worthy of the almighty's special attention.Give me a break!
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by Idrisa: 12:56am On Apr 13, 2006
I was agreeing with your write up until these parts came along,and i just stopped reading it.God sent a book down from heaven to the arabs,and you expect us to believe that we're all equal in the eyes of the creator?Where are the books he sent down to the yorubas,ibos,ibibios,tivs,etc?
Or are those people not worthy of the almighty's special attention.Give me a break!

The Book of God is a book explaining the existing reality - it has not come with a new reality for life. It is like any other book of Knowledge and Guidance.

Such book of knowledge is not meant for any particular people or region. The Book of God is sent to the entire humankind (among them) the Yorubas, Ibos, Tivs etc.

Is the book not available for all today? Are the wordings not kept intact as it was given to the prophet? Read the Book and it is like it was being revealed to you. God has not overlooked anything.
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by Idrisa: 5:38am On Apr 17, 2006
Yes! Human religions, nationalism, and the physical symbols are among the idols of today. The idols that Abraham broke and Muhammad tried to remove from Makkah. Muhammad was not fighting against mere stones and carved wood! Both Abraham and Muhammad were fighting against mental enslavement – the lords behind the idols – the politicians of today.

What is a land that a person has to pledge to serve with all his strength and to die for? Did the land know how humankind was created? Where has God gone that a person has to serve human illusions?

Know that these are people that have rebelled against the Lord who created and is sustaining them. They are the rebels that have rebelled against their own NATURE. They are responsible for all the evils on earth. They will not stop at anything to enslave you. They have no any respect for your human dignity.

What is Nigeria that a person has to pledge to serve with all his strenght?

What honour does it have that a person has to pledge to uphold? What glory does it have?

Some armed robbers came here sometime in History and found it necessary to tag the area they now call Nigeria.

Nigeria is an IDOL that is used by the evil politicians to enslave the mind of the people.

I do not have problem with Nigeria as an address but as god to warrant my worship.

Where was Nigeria when God was creating me and where is Nigeria today to attend to me?

What I see rather are the POLITICIANS stealing the resources of people under the guise that they are doing NIGERIA!

MAY GOD SAVE US FROM THE DEVILS - BUT NOT UNTIL WE CHANGE OUR ATTITUDE AND ACCEPT NO SLAVERY.[color=#990000][/color]
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by owo(m): 7:02am On Apr 17, 2006
Idrisa:


Sunnism, Shiism, Christianity, Hinduism are not different from Secularism. They are all devised by the Satans to lead people away from al-Islam.


@Idrisa, please re-read what you posted and be sure it is what you really have in mind to say.

If indeed this is your thought then we challenge you to prove, beyond all reasonable doubts, that was invented by Satan.
[you will do yourself a world of good to stop you diatribe with reference to your sunni and shia 'brothers'- who, by the way, are killing themselves in Iraq]

In any case, what more can we expect from the proponent of a Religion whose 'GOD' 'understands' Arabic - which is another kind of enslavement.

We're waiting.
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by welborn(m): 1:28pm On Apr 17, 2006
@owo, thanks for speaking my mind. 'Diatribalism' is a characteristic of unbalanced views, especially one coming from the caller to freedom from slavery without the slightest hint of what he's talking about. I love my country and do my best to represent Nigeria wherever I go. God bless Nigeria!!
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by Idrisa: 11:32pm On Apr 17, 2006
@Idrisa, please re-read what you posted and be sure it is what you really have in mind to say.

If indeed this is your thought then we challenge you to prove, beyond all reasonable doubts, that was invented by Satan.
[you will do yourself a world of good to stop you diatribe with reference to your sunni and shia 'brothers'- who, by the way, are killing themselves in Iraq]

In any case, what more can we expect from the proponent of a Religion whose 'GOD' 'understands' Arabic - which is another kind of enslavement.

We're waiting.

Hello owo!

I do believe that you are aware of the conflict between some learned men and the clergy men that preached the bible in Rome. A particular case of reference is that of Galileo.  The mistake definitely did not come from God but the devils. GOD NEVER MAKES MISTAKE.

Jesus never gave the name CHRISTIANITY to the 'WAY OF LIFE' he preached.

Who does not know that Christianity (like Sunnism and Shiism) is used today by various governments and individuals to promote their inordinate desires?

It is indeed Christianity that led to the skepticism against religion and many remarks like that of Karl Max.

God speaks/understands all languages.
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by owo(m): 4:26am On Apr 18, 2006
@ Idrissa
Idrisa:

Hello owo!

I do believe that you are aware of the conflict between some learned men and the clergy men that preached the bible in Rome. A particular case of reference is that of Galileo. The mistake definitely did not come from God but the devils. GOD NEVER MAKES MISTAKE.

I do believe you know about the conflict between some learned journalists and some Imams/fundamentalists. The conflicts never came from God but from the devils because the Imams have been trying to protect their 'GOD' who 'may'not be able to protect 'HIMSELF'. GOD NEVER MAKES MISTAKES

@ Idrissa
Idrisa:

Jesus never gave the name CHRISTIANITY to the 'WAY OF LIFE' he preached.
And what has that God to do with the devils. Do you know that He gave power to his Children on earth before he left? Do you know that the name Christianity is what you know and that the faith has nothing to do with the name, rather it has everything (and all) to do with the person of Christ?

@ Idrissa
Idrisa:

Who does not know that Christianity (like Sunnism and Shiism) is used today by various governments and individuals to promote their inordinate desires?
Only the willingly deaf, dumb and blind do not know about Osama bin 'something' who has murdered uncountable number of people in the name of Islam, Islamic Jihad that just murdered some people yesterday and the uncountable number that have died due to the blood thirsty Islamic groups that exist worldwide. Whose name are they using to kill , maim and disrupt otherewise peacefull soceities?
Only God knows the accievements that Nigeria would have made were it not for the people that kill in the name of Islam.
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@ Idrissa
Idrisa:

It is indeed Christianity that led to the skepticism against religion and many remarks like that of Karl Max.
If you call THE FAITH, a religion in this regard, then it is certain that you know almost nothing about it.
For your records, the Christian faith is all about God (Jehovah) through Jesus Christ. It does not compel men (like you do) because every man is individually answereable for his thoughts and actions. His comments are his views and they remain such. If a man writes such comments about your arabic religion (like Salmon Rushdie did) you will kill him or at best sentence him to death.

In any case, Islam was in the back waters of the middle east.Therefore. informed commentators like marx could not have made their comments based on an ethnic biased form of worship.

@ Idrissa[quote author=Idrisa link=topic=10029.msg297524#msg297524 date=1145313130]
God speaks/understands all languages.
Then why must you pray in Arabic and face Arabia for you to be "heard" by him?
Why must children be taught Arabic from childhood?
Why must you be admonished to visit one site in Mecca?
Why must you dress like and Arabian when you are at the site?
These are the very attributes of an ethnic GOD. Even my great -grand father's GOD demanded the same set of observance.

You are free to propagate your beliefs at any time but be sure that your freedom ends where another man's own begins. Tresspassing is not encouraged.
Your belief system is of yesterday and can hardly exist without the historic Christian faith. There are too may questions to answer in your 'faith' that I wonder how you have time to poke-nose into another man's house when the cement and wood are all in your eyes.

Waiting.
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by Idrisa: 1:31am On Apr 19, 2006

I do believe you know about the conflict between some learned journalists and some Imams/fundamentalists. The conflicts never came from God but from the devils because the Imams have been trying to protect their 'GOD' who 'may'not be able to protect 'HIMSELF'. GOD NEVER MAKES MISTAKES


Any Imam/Pastor who thinks that he has to defend GOD does not know GOD and he may be a devil.


And what has that God to do with the devils. Do you know that He gave power to his Children on earth before he left? Do you know that the name Christianity is what you know and that the faith has nothing to do with the name, rather it has everything (and all) to do with the person of Christ?

God created space so He is not bounded by space. If God can be contained in a space, then the space is rather the god.

I do not want you to engage in arguments because of name. If we must communicate, we have no choice but to use a language. It is the meaning that should matter to you my dear.

Christianity is not ordered by GOD.

Only the willingly deaf, dumb and blind do not know about Osama bin 'something' who has murdered uncountable number of people in the name of Islam, Islamic Jihad that just murdered some people yesterday and the uncountable number that have died due to the blood thirsty Islamic groups that exist worldwide. Whose name are they using to kill , maim and disrupt otherewise peacefull soceities?
Only God knows the accievements that Nigeria would have made were it not for the people that kill in the name of Islam.


Wise people discuss ideas and not just events or even people.

If you call THE FAITH, a religion in this regard, then it is certain that you know almost nothing about it.
For your records, the Christian faith is all about God (Jehovah) through Jesus Christ. It does not compel men (like you do) because every man is individually answereable for his thoughts and actions. His comments are his views and they remain such. If a man writes such comments about your arabic religion (like Salmon Rushdie did) you will kill him or at best sentence him to death.

There is no compulsion in what a person chose to do. The Qur'an did not order stoning to death or killing of anyone for leaving Islam. The same devils are still at work.


Then why must you pray in Arabic and face Arabia for you to be "heard" by him?
Why must children be taught Arabic from childhood?
Why must you be admonished to visit one site in Mecca?
Why must you dress like and Arabian when you are at the site?
These are the very attributes of an ethnic GOD. Even my great -grand father's GOD demanded the same set of observance.


What is important in prayer is to know precisely what you say and what you mean by them. I condemn those so called Muslims (the Sunnis and the Shites) like the Christians because they all engage in rituals. It is not just question of language. The talking in tongue is one of it anyway.

Why must children be taught any language? If the Book of God must be in a language like any other book that could be written originally in any language, is it not a good idea to study such language to get access to the original message?

If human beings are social creatures and they need to meet to discuss their affairs to visit places of importance to them, what is wrong in that? Al-Islam is a complete way of life and nothing has been left out. Muslims meet once in a year to remember Abraham and then to discuss their affairs.


You are free to propagate your beliefs at any time but be sure that your freedom ends where another man's own begins. Tresspassing is not encouraged.
Your belief system is of yesterday and can hardly exist without the historic Christian faith. There are too may questions to answer in your 'faith' that I wonder how you have time to poke-nose into another man's house when the cement and wood are all in your eyes.

I discuss general issues and I want you to come in the same way without biasness. Point to me intellectually where I have erred.
Waiting.
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by owo(m): 3:37pm On Apr 19, 2006
Idrisa:


Any Imam/Pastor who thinks that he has to defend GOD does not know GOD and he may be a devil.

Then you have to tell that to all those Imams who travelled from Denmark around the world propagating the hatred that culminated in the cartoon riots.
You have to tell the ones that have instigated all the riots in Nigeria.
You also have a duty to take the message to them wherever they are because according to you, they are devils. They are the ones that have caused the most trouble in recent years.

Just some weeks ago, they gathered their gullible members in Afghanistan and called for the killing of someone who took a personal choice on who to worship. They must all be of the devil.

That duty is grave and it is certain that if you devote your time in doing that, it would do you a world of good than thinking that another form of worship is your problem.

Idrisa:
Christianity is not ordered by GOD.
With statements like this, it is really clear that the god you are referring to is the one in Saudi Arabia whose direction you must face and bow down for every time you pray. Certainly you cannot be referring to the great God who created heaven and earth.
Because the great God of heaven and earth cannot dwell in one direction on listen to prayers prayed in one direction only, so much so that if prayer is not offered in that direction then its efficacy is suspect.

In that regard, it is certainly true that the god in Arabia who your brothers try to defend (since he cannot defend himself) did not (and cannot) order Christianity.

Idrisa:
Why must children be taught any language? If the Book of God must be in a language like any other book that could be written originally in any language, is it not a good idea to study such language to get access to the original message?

You make me laugh. The 'Book Of God'?  was written in a man's language [what a big joke]. Is that not unwise in you ears? God's book cannot  and will not be written in man's language.
Rather the Holy Scripture states that 'Jehovah (the maker of heaven and earth) will write his laws in the heart of his children'. How different. Does it not puzzle you that you still have to struggle to learn another man's language  just to get to understand what your god is saying.?Its a pity. Does that not tell you that you are following someones local deity?.
You pray facing the man's village, you sing in his language for you to be heard well, you go there every year to visit and above all you learn the man's language for you to be heard. If that is not enslavement, then nothing else is.
I bet you, my great-grand father's god had better offers.


Idrisa:

If human beings are social creatures and they need to meet to discuss their affairs to visit places of importance to them, what is wrong in that? Al-Islam is a complete way of life and nothing has been left out. Muslims meet once in a year to remember Abraham and then to discuss their affairs.
is the thing now a social thing. I thought it was religious? You can be sure that Abraham is not on your agenda when you go to meet your god in Arabia. This 'complete' way of life (according to you) is today the cause of the untimely death of uncountable multitudes. Does that not tell you that it is everything but complete.
I put it to you that the Islamic way of life is the most incomplete way of life that a man can live (If it can even be called a way of life). It is the way for many blood thirsty men to hide under and still be heralded.

Idrisa:

I discuss general issues and I want you to come in the same way without biasness. Point to me intellectually where I have erred.
Waiting.

The areas and places that you have erred in addition to those shown above are so many that its amazing how you got yourself into this level of mess.
You have erred in the following:
1. Refusing to remove the cement, Log and blindfold from your eyes before jumping onto another man's business.
2. By stating that Christianity is of the devils because its only the Devil himself that can say that. (You must be his agent then). Only the devil can see the great Love of God as expressed through God's great gift to humanity (Jesus Christ) and call it the devil's work. Little wonder they conspired and killed him and then put out a lie that he was taken by His disciples. Thank God that today uncountable millions have had personal experiences with Him, thus discountenancing every lie from all of the devil's arsenal (you inclusive)
3. By refusing to see that you have been enslaved by another regional or tribal deity.
4. By agreeing to be a willing slave.
5 By agreeing to believe a big lie that a book was given to someone by an angel and that you should pattern your life after that.

My dear would you rather believe a man's 'messenger' instead of his son?
Listen to God's word for you and choose this day who you will serve
" God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son
, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: " {Heb 1: 1-3}

1Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

2For if the word spoken by angels was steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense of reward;

3How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; " {Heb 2:1-3}
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by Idrisa: 11:57pm On Apr 19, 2006
That duty is grave and it is certain that if you devote your time in doing that, it would do you a world of good than thinking that another form of worship is your problem.

It should not matter which form of worship is my problem if I can prove myself rationally. You should try to discuss ideas and put prejudices aside. I am against the rituals practiced by the so called Muslims and Christians.


With statements like this, it is really clear that the god you are referring to is the one in Saudi Arabia whose direction you must face and bow down for every time you pray. Certainly you cannot be referring to the great God who created heaven and earth.
Because the great God of heaven and earth cannot dwell in one direction on listen to prayers prayed in one direction only, so much so that if prayer is not offered in that direction then its efficacy is suspect.

So you finally agree that the only GOD in existence can not be restricted to a place! What happens to the son god who was once restricted to earth?


You make me laugh. The 'Book Of God'?  was written in a man's language [what a big joke]. Is that not unwise in you ears? God's book cannot  and will not be written in man's language.


You call it BOOK but it is not written in human language yet it is meant for human being!

Did you ever sit down to ask yourself what is meant by a language and what is communication? Of what use is a language that you do  not understand?

Rather the Holy Scripture states that 'Jehovah (the maker of heaven and earth) will write his laws in the heart of his children. How different. Does it not puzzle you that you still have to struggle to learn another man's language  just to get to understand what your God is saying.?Its a pity.

Do you read what you write at all? Which Holy Scripture are you referring to? Is it the one written in the Heart or the one that we read as a BOOK?

If the Holy Scripture is not in my local dialect, what is wrong that I study English in order to understand the BOOK? See where prejudice is taking you to!

is the thing now a social thing. I thought it was religious? You can be sure that Abraham is not on your agenda when you go to meet your God in Arabia. This 'complete' way of life (according to you) is today the cause of the untimely death of uncountable multitudes. Does that not tell you that it is everything but complete.

Is religion not a social affair? Is human being not created to love and be loved? What do you understand to be a way of life? Tell me what you think is wrong with the way of life and not what some ignorant people or devils chose to do.

Be calm and avoid abuses. Let us discuss these issues intellectually.

Thanks.
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by owo(m): 12:44am On Apr 20, 2006
@ idrissa,
I wonder why you refuse to address the issues that you raised and the mis-information that you peddled.
In short I put it to you that you know little about the 'motive' aspect of your religion (which makes me wonder why you are still there). In addition you know almost nothing about about the historic Christian faith, therefore your comments are at best childish and at worst un-necessary/bigotic/false (sometimes reflecting a high level of benightedness)

There are a thousand one ways of passing comments or relaying your views in a decent and convincing manner. The content, approach and presentation of your message is certainly not the way. Go do some more reading and learn more about the religio-politio cum economic factors that influence our world. After that, you can come back.

We will be waiting.
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by Idrisa: 11:20pm On Apr 20, 2006
You make me laugh. The 'Book Of God'? was written in a man's language [what a big joke]. Is that not unwise in you ears? God's book cannot and will not be written in man's language.


You call it BOOK but it is not written in human language yet it is meant for human being!

Did you ever sit down to ask yourself what is meant by a language and what is communication? Of what use is a language that you do not understand?

Rather the Holy Scripture states that 'Jehovah (the maker of heaven and earth) will write his laws in the heart of his children. How different. Does it not puzzle you that you still have to struggle to learn another man's language just to get to understand what your God is saying.?Its a pity.

Do you read what you write at all? Which Holy Scripture are you referring to? Is it the one written in the Heart or the one that we read as a BOOK?

If the Holy Scripture is not in my local dialect, what is wrong that I study English in order to understand the BOOK? See where prejudice is taking you to!

is the thing now a social thing. I thought it was religious? You can be sure that Abraham is not on your agenda when you go to meet your God in Arabia. This 'complete' way of life (according to you) is today the cause of the untimely death of uncountable multitudes. Does that not tell you that it is everything but complete.

Is religion not a social affair? Is human being not created to love and be loved? What do you understand to be a way of life? Tell me what you think is wrong with the way of life and not what some ignorant people or devils chose to do.

Be calm and avoid abuses. Let us discuss these issues intellectually.

Thanks.
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by Idrisa: 11:22pm On Apr 20, 2006
owo! there is no fight going on here but exchange of ideas. Please address the issues in the thread above.

Let us resolve several contradictions found in your posts.

You understand very well that what I advocate is not the rituals practised by the so called Muslims and Christians but AWARENESS. You can not force me into a camp that I do not belong to.

Be calm and disscuss IDEAS.
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by binladen1: 12:51pm On Mar 18, 2008
@Idrissa

I am glad to learn that other submitters (MUS'LIMS) who accept no other than God as their Lord and Master, and the Qur'an ALONE as the true guidance are also visiting this site. Idrissa, as I commend your effort in enlightening mankind, I must warn u that it is not an easy task at all because we are sort of 'in the middle'. i.e. between the devil and the dep blue sea because, as u are aware, all non Mus'lims will always view us as they view the sunnis, shi'is and a myriad of other sects that have deserted the Qur'an and are following fabrications which unfortunately are the practices and doctrines that non-mus'lims see as The Great Religion'ic; and those so called mus'lims will always regard us as non mus'lims because we condemn the hadith.
Nevertheless, it is our duty to pass on the knowledge that God has graciously brought to us and be rest assured that we stand blameless. Remember, u cannot make even the ones u love to believe. jazzakallahu khairan brother.
and oh, please dont mind the ID. I am not in love with the man at all.
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by Idrisa: 12:38am On Mar 20, 2008
Peace and blessings of God be with you bin laden.

meet me at http://gardens.freeforums.org

Stay blessed and take care.
Re: Save Yourself From The Idols Of Today by samba123(m): 7:55am On Mar 20, 2008
Idrisa:

Peace and blessings of God be with you bin laden.

meet me at http://gardens.freeforums.org

Stay blessed and take care.

thank you still here in the Nairaland, you have a brilliant idea to contribute keep it up lol,

salam

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