pstbolanta: I was invited by a friend to his church last sunday,when the pastor started to preach,he kept on hammering on TITHING,that anyone that does not pay hios tithe will go to heaven and your tithe should not be you basic pay but total gross pay,you need to see the way he was stretching on it assive his life depended on it,i began to start feeling quilty of not paying instatntly,but i know i have some very reliable friends on nairaland to sample their opinion on this TITHING WAHALA,ARE WE BIND TO PAY TITHE

Goshen360:

I am weary of "tithe" topic on this board. Hence, I stopped talking for a while. However, statement like this from people like you has drawn me into this subject again. How can you make such a statement without a biblical verse to support your claim. Even in Israel, NOT EVERYONE WAS COMMANDED TO "BRING" tithe, not to talk of "PAY" tithe. So you think "tithe" is what you "owe" God?. THERE IS NO WHERE, NOT A SINGLE VERSE IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT TELLS "CHRISTIANS" TO TITHE - This might baffle your "theology" but it's the truth. Christianity didn't start until AFTER the death of Christ. Hence, they were first called Christian in Acts of Apostle. Therefore, you might want to show everyone where tithe is COMMANDED to ALL Christians from Acts to Revelation.



This show you don't know what you are talking about, (I don't mean insult though). God NEVER commanded tithe from INCOME. God's biblical tithe is SPECIFICALLY FROM CROPS AND ANIMALS. That is being specific. I will like you to show us where God SPECIFICALLY mentioned INCOME, as in monetary income. Again, you called church the house of God. You erred in this statement. The church is the body of Christ, not the building. The storehouse where tithe of crops/animals were commanded in the OT was a small house inside the temple of OT. Today, our body is the temple of God and we, collection of believer as a whole is the body of Christ called the church.

@ Topic,

Tithe is NOT a NT testament practice for NT believers. God commanded it for OT Israel which was a type and shadow of NT Christian. However, it was replaced with freewill giving which is by grace. Many pastors are guilty of this fraud in the name of God called tithe. Like someone said while I was reading comments, there are kinds of heaven, so which one will tithe take you to? Tithe is NEVER a commandment to the CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS and it has been proved to be a modern day fraud in the name of God.

inereunwa1: you guys should read the link in my signature the answers are there!!

Nosa-Henry:
I believe in doing first thing first, if you are paying tithe and not yet a good Christian your tithes should as well be considered dustbin material. I am still struggling with salvation therefore talk about tithe payment is for another stage of spiritual development.

Chylo: Ladies and Gentlemen,

I have noticed something in all the responses here. People are just commenting on what they think or feel, but noone is talking about what the scriptures say. People get confused, even true believers, due to the way it has been so perverted, but God's principles remain the same. I will not argue either way, but I will simply present the scriptures (all from the new testament too) for you to make up your own minds.

1. Matt. 23:23 and Luke 11:42 - Jesus condemns the scribes and Pharisees for tithing even the smallest things, without doing the more important things like mercy, fair judgement and faith. However, He then concludes by asking them to do these more vital things, without leaving the tithing undone. I think this answers the OP's question. No, tithing alone will not get you to heaven!

2. Luke 18:12-14 - Jesus tells the story of two people praying, one a Pharisee, one a sinner. The Pharisee prays proudly saying he fasts twice a week and pays tithes, while the sinner prays humbly for mercy. Jesus concludes that the sinner is more justified than the other because,"everyone that exaltheth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted". Notice that Jesus does not condemn d scribe for tithing, but rather for being proud about it. If tithing were wrong from here, then so also would fasting twice a week. The lesson is, if you tithe, well and good, do not be proud of it. Also, if you are a sinner and do not tithe, God can still accept you; but this is not the ideal situation.

3. Hebrews 7:4-9 - Here, Paul suggests that tithing is a spiritual principle. Of particular importance is verse 8, where Paul says, "And here men that die receive tithes; but there He receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth". In other words, as human beings receive tithes here on earth, Jesus in heaven receives them there. When you pay tithes, you are not giving to any man, but to Jesus himself. You should imagine you are standing before God when presenting it. This is also an answer to those people saying you can pay tithes by giving alms, this is not what the scripture teaches.

What I can only say to pastors is that, please and please do not force people to pay tithes, it does not guarantee heaven, neither does it make one holy; however, simply present the Word of God to the people and leave them with the choice of whether to obey or not to obey.

Thank you very much.

jerseyboy:

Jesus did not speak in Malachi. The words of Jesus can only be found as recorded by those who heard Him ONLY IN THE 4 GOSPELS. When people claim inspiration from holy spirits and angels you have to consider human elements in what has trasnpired.

Most of Christianity should be based on the 4 gospels. Much of the old testament is Jewish traditions.

Please show me where Jesus endorsed 10% tithe.

jerseyboy:

Jesus did not speak in Malachi. The words of Jesus can only be found as recorded by those who heard Him ONLY IN THE 4 GOSPELS. When people claim inspiration from holy spirits and angels you have to consider human elements in what has trasnpired.

Most of Christianity should be based on the 4 gospels. Much of the old testament is Jewish traditions.

Please show me where Jesus endorsed 10% tithe.

teminoni: Paying tithe is not a condition to enter the kingdom of heaven. But Jesus requested that as good christians, we should pay tithe. And the tithe should be used for the maintenance of the church and for feeding the poor and the old widowed members of the church.

Parnassuss:

How about when a good tithe paying Christian sees that his tithes are only making the pastor richer, what is he obligated to do then?

teminoni:


K, I have your medicine bro..

Matthew 23

23 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.


Luke 11

42 “What sorrow awaits you Pharisees! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore justice and the love of God. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

Is that ok for you?

Goshen360:

One thing you failed to understand is this - Matthew to John, Jesus was still under the law and was born into the law. The law was still active during the days of Jesus. Let me help you understand Matthew 23:23 without going into too many other scriptures.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23 Kjv

1. It wasn't the DISCIPLES or APOSTLES that were practicing tithe here. It was the scribes and pharisees.

2. What is the content of their tithe? The answer is right there in the verse - "ye pay tithe of MINTS and ANISE and CUMMIN. God's BIBLICAL kind of Tithe was commanded ONLY to nation of Israel is from crops and animals, not money even though money existed from Genesis. Also, not EVERYONE in Israel was commanded to bring tithe, ONLY those who are involved in CROPS and ANIMALS.

3. This tithe being referred to by Jesus is STILL according to the law. If the law was still active at the time Jesus was speaking, Jesus could not have taught the people to break the law then. That will be a sin to him. How did I know it is still a thing of the law then? The context speaks for itself - "and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law". It was still a MATTER OF THE LAW at the time Jesus was speaking. Hence, Jesus would say......you have to do it without leaving other undone.

4. The law was a schoolmaster that should lead Israel to Christ. After Christ died, he fulfilled the law and the works of the end ended by bring people to Christ. The law......of Moses is no longer needed after Christ died because the death of Christ fulfilled the law of Moses and gave a new law called the NT.

teminoni:

LOOLL.. Dude, I'v given u like 5 verses today and you are still arguing and coming up with excuses. Ok, go ahead and don't pay you tithe. It doesn't affect me.

I can see your heart has been hardened by the devil.
BTW, Jesus never taught anyone to break any law.

I rest my case.

1k001: @Goshen360: teminoni has a point. moreover Christianity can not be reduced to only what Jesus said in the bible.

At the modest of estimations the words of Jesus will fill so many volumes.

We are priviledged to have some of what he said and some of what he revealed to his servants the prophet (Amos 3:7)

In any case going by the words of Jesus, he required the young rich man to forsake all his riches and follow him. One could take that to mean that not just a tenth is required for tithe but rather all that we possess

jerseyboy: [/color]

Thank you.That was instructive. How much of you income then should you tithe and whom should it go to. I will think it should go directly to the poor and needy. Again I will like to remain within the 4 gospels.

debrief08: So sad that many Christains don't know their Bible and Bible passages, we only wait on Pastors.
Anyway this is the verse where Christ instructed us Giving to the Poor as the way to get to heaven, and Judgement of the whole world will be based on acts of love and charity not on sect or tribe or all other divisive factors we have created

31"But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. 32Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then the King will tell those on his right hand, 'Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in. 36I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.'

37"Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink? 38When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?'

40"The King will answer them, 'Most certainly I tell you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.' 41Then he will say also to those on the left hand, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; 42for I was hungry, and you didn't give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; 43I was a stranger, and you didn't take me in; naked, and you didn't clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn't visit me.'

44"Then they will also answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and didn't help you?'

45"Then he will answer them, saying, 'Most certainly I tell you, inasmuch as you didn't do it to one of the least of these, you didn't do it to me.' 46These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Mattew 25

Logic Mind:

ask around. this is me being very serious.

manmade: tithing was never made compulsory by the Bible but the modern churches are imposing it on their members for their selffish reasons,this xplain why it was recorded in bible that jesus christ paid tithes to any church neither did he collects offerings frm his followers .

Goshen360:

My brother. This is not about making a point. It is about "sound doctrine". Good point my sound good but doesn't necessarily mean sound teaching. teminoni is yet to ground his teachings in the NT. Like I said, the NT doesn't begin with Matthew to John, it began from Acts of Apostle to Revelation. Hebrews 9:16-17,

For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. Heb 9:15 KJV

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. Heb. 12:24 KJV

Goshen360:

I have gone through the link in your signature. I didn't see the one that relates to this topic. Kindly point us to it or create the link and paste here. Thank you.