Olaadegbu's mouthpiece ke. Your selective reading and shocking manipulation of facts had nothing to do with him - you merely picked him as your anchor and cheaply labelled him an RC without knowing that or caring if he was one to get your message out. And twisting what I said about your church's level of decency to mean that the Catholic people are necessarily decent just suits you fine.

Anyway, I have no desire to engage this issue, so I will leave you to it and leave the reader to read and learn. Network, indeed. Did you bother to review my history and relationship whth Nimshi on the forum before saying that? No. So you say you want to engage Nimshi on this. Ever heard the saying that you should be careful what you wish for? Lol.

Witnesses awarded money, indeed. Celebrate in large prints. Ignore cases where they've been ordered to make payouts.

firestar: ... ^^

MyJoe: I have not read the posts above properly but I have skimmed portions of them. This is typical JW hypocrisy in full blast and it would have been better if Barristers had shut up than post this.

Facts: The RC and the JW churches have both had child abuse problems. It is clearly more serious in the Catholic Church - but there are over a billion Catholics as against 7million JW. Both churches have been accused of coverups and putting church's reputation above victims' interest. Both have made out of court settlements and court-ordered payouts. So where is the moral high ground? Is it the fact a Cardinal has admitted the problem as enlarged by Barristers somewhere above, something the JW leadership do not have the decency to do?

To be sure, I agree that the mistakes of an individual should not be blamed on his church wholesale and I am careful about apportioning blames in this matter, but the JW has no moral high ground here and Barristers should shut ug. Anybody who wants to understand the problem of child abuse in both churches should disregard the jaundice above and do their research with an open mind.

MyJoe: Ola is not even a Catholic, but you had to call him one to enable you dig up that church's Augean stable to, hopefully, overshadow the JW's considerable child abuse problem. A typical case of "You be thief!" "Ehen, you, nko, you no be thief?" - something NL Muslims have elevated to an art.

Ola is a Deeper Life member. Now, dig up the DCLM's child abuse cases by parish and archdiocese to finally shut up Ola after your victory over him in some Trinity thread.

MyJoe: Rotfl. So asking you to shut up - as you should have - provokes you and brings out the gutter language in you. He he. Olaadegbu's mouthpiece ke. Your selective reading and shocking manipulation of facts had nothing to do with him - you merely picked him as your anchor and cheaply labelled him an RC without knowing that or caring if he was one to get your message out. And twisting what I said about your church's level of decency to mean that the Catholic people are necessarily decent just suits you fine. Witnesses awarded money, indeed. Celebrate in large prints. Ignore cases where they've been ordered to make payouts.

Anyway, I have no desire to engage this issue, so I will leave you to it and leave the reader to read and learn. Network, indeed. Did you bother to review my history and relationship whth Nimshi on the forum before saying that? No. So you say you want to engage Nimshi on this. Ever heard the saying that you should be careful what you wish for? Lol.

did you really need to provoke him?

Why do you really have to do that?

truthislight:

lol

firestar:

This ehn... na real wa.

truthislight:

you dont seem to say anything?

Just observing!

Peace

firestar:
Wait for it my brother.
I like to be brief, concise, and straight to the point.

BARRISTERS: @Myjoe
Beeni, you are his mouthpiece kee! Abi ki lowa buru nibe? gboranmi-deleru, why must you be the one feeling the pinch? i dont need the information from you, catholic or not, i still maitain that he is a catholic, i dont need to give you my reason for that conclusion ok? you are here denying in absencia! he is a catholic ok? until proven otherwise! this denial from you is uncalled for broda-gboranmi-deleru-ajiundo-doko!

Im putting it to you that you dont have morals or religion you can boast of,so you dont have a business in the religion forum when you celebrate vices and failures . if someone says you are not a responsible man,you know what that means,not an insult,but being shy about yourself or who you are can really be a serious matter!

you should know that im not like the jws you normally engage,i dont have a boundary,so if you want it softly, im there, and if you want it hot,ehn-hen Mo-wambe, i dey, keep your words to yourself!

In attempting to pontificate on morality, you sound like a cripple attempting football of the American variant. Morality flows from the heart and permeates our thoughts, speech and actions. It is not something you learn from the pages of Watchtower and Awake. And it can certainly not be acquired through being promised eternity in earthly paradise, heaven, 72 virgins, or through being frightened with damnation in hellfire or slaughter at Armageddon. No, these have not necessarily made people moral. We cannot become moral by declaring that we are. And we cannot become immoral merely because someone puts it to us in blind rage that we are.

But what the JW critics and some other observers remind us is that once this guy moves to a new location, the church’s policy says it should not be disclosed to parents in the new congregation that he has the problem of paedophilia. And then there is the two-Witness rule, which ensures that a Molester walks free if the child does not produce two people that witnessed the act. This rule is obviously well-intentioned, as it is meant to protect people against false accusations and serve the course of justice. But it has enabled some rapists to escape. [/b]Is it good or bad? You make up your mind.

I know the Canadian case. And I also know of others. I believe you know them, too, and are aware that the church has paid out millions of dollars.

Of course, you are like other Witnesses. You are trained to do all the talking while the other person listens meekly. Once you start, an average person has nothing to say in response because you are trained and he isn’t. You love it this way.

When I was a student, a Witness chap in his 30’s not far from where I lived was said to have Molested a child – the child had screamed about the matter and the case was public knowledge. (This guy had done a lot of bad things in his past, including armed robbery and ritual murder, as revealed in his own private conversations. I was happy for him when he became a Witness, hoping his life would turn around. So you can imagine how bad I felt on hearing he had done child Molestation). The church wasted no time in setting up a panel and “disfellowshipping” and shunning him. Fine. That shows the church does not condone it.

MyJoe: Rotfl. So asking you to shut up - as you should have - provokes you and brings out the gutter language in you. He he. Olaadegbu's mouthpiece ke. Your selective reading and shocking manipulation of facts had nothing to do with him - you merely picked him as your anchor and cheaply labelled him an RC without knowing that or caring if he was one to get your message out. And twisting what I said about your church's level of decency to mean that the Catholic people are necessarily decent just suits you fine. Witnesses awarded money, indeed. Celebrate in large prints. Ignore cases where they've been ordered to make payouts.

Anyway, I have no desire to engage this issue, so I will leave you to it and leave the reader to read and learn. Network, indeed. Did you bother to review my history and relationship whth Nimshi on the forum before saying that? No. So you say you want to engage Nimshi on this. Ever heard the saying that you should be careful what you wish for? Lol.

Myjoe on catholics;

Catholic folk defers to one unelected elderly man. The Witnesses defer to a group of 12 or so men - elderly, unelected, all-male, nearly all-white. The Catholics are expected to agree with everything the Pope says, but this is not so rigid. The Witnesses are expected to agree with everything the group of 12 says - this is very rigid. So while two Catholics may disagree with a papal declaration and discuss it among themselves, it is unheard-of for two Witnesses to voice out dissent about any official pronouncement of the church to each other. You are expected to agree completely in all things all the time. Very similar. Quite different.

Anyway, I have no desire to engage this issue, so I will leave you to it and leave the reader to read and learn.

I don’t hold forte for the Catholics – their historical atrocities are well documented but they have repeatedly acknowledged and apologised for them, something the JW leadership does not have the decency to do. That the RC church has serious problems with child abuse, nobody has ever denied, and one doesn’t have to wonder what you hope to gain by dragging it here when the thread is not about the RC church and no Catholic person has challenged you.

truthislight:

birds of the same feathers flocking together.

All using JW detrators website.

Have a life.

Ola, Nimshi does not even believe in the God you claim to serve but the both of you are here doing the same thing, the work of your master.

He supports muslim or he is a muslim, i dont know for myjoe yet, but time will tell, he is very Good in hiding his antics.

MyJoe: your patience is commendable.

truthislight: I think it wouldn't be rude to say this: you arrive at conclusions you know nothing about. Now, many of us do that, but some are able to slam the breaks on it ans realise they may have been wrong. But you, hmnn . . . You mistake criticism - even scathing criticism - for something else. Calling Jehovah/Yahweh the tribal god of the Jews, for example, drives you into a fit. I tell you: do you think calling the deity you call Jehovah/Yahweh a tribal god of the Jews, or noting that he - as presented in the 'old' testament - was particularly efficient at killing people he didn't like (children, women, etc etc), for instance somehow means Yahweh/Jehovah will like me less than you because you pick a bag and go to people's houses? You're making a mistake.

But I'll give you this: you may be correct in the above that I may not believe in the same God as Ola (I have no clear view of Ola's god/God); but how could anyone take you serious when you conclude that Ola & are are doing the work of our 'master'? You're only reiterating the victimhood that's been part of your dehumanisation* by the Watchtower Society.

I will now recall that great debate in the bible, between Job and his brilliant interlocutors: if you must bring a case in support of God, you must also be truthful. It is truthful to describe Yahweh/Jehovah as the tribal god of the Jews; just as it is truthful to write that he allowed genocide and infanticide; and that he is sometimes prone to impulse actions with disastrous consequences, and that he is sometimes rash; in his favour: he has demonstrated a willingness to listen to human reasoning and change his behaviour: you JWs, and many Christians, I must say, miss this last trait. Those who know Yahweh/Jehovah, know it, and they use that knowledge well. Unfortunately, your leaders in Brooklyn have programmed you not to think that way.

Sorry; but I'll be watching how your drooling becomes an irreversible embarrassment for you and your faith.

Maximus85:
Note, Barrister has no reason to manipulate anything. You are just a typical Nigerian. They intentionally turn a deaf hear to the truth. James 1:22 says that you should be a doer of the word, and not hearers only, DECEIVING YOURSELVES WITH FALSE REASONING. With all the evidence given, that JW doesn't support child abuse, you are still not convinced. What is your gain? As for us the JWs we will continue doing what 1 Peter 3:15...defending our faith with mild temper and deep respect.

BARRISTERS: forumites;
How do you recognise an iiresponsible man?, one of the factors that can be deemed 'irresponsible' cam stem from 'using or alligning oneself selfishly with the best part of an event or that of a person' only to dump the event or persons embarrasing side.

A review of Myjoe's surport for Catholics goes thus (from the other tread as a refference only)


Myjoe as Catholics mouthpiece above holding brief for the catholic against his alledged rigid style of the witnesses. changed after being confronted with embarrassing huge mess of his dear catholic that is not rigid,see below;





further expose to the catholics mess, Myjoe was uncomfortable at all only to betray his promise of ''I have no desire to engage this issue'' to put these below together;



he was more pained that no one is challenging me, but choose to do that briefly before handling the batton to anyone as soon as possible.

going by analysis in America alone, 1 elder out of a total of 54 jws church was accused, a similar discription of these is Lagos which may fall within the range of 50-60 church of jws,that is to say that the whole lagos state only one jw elder, was accussed, while other 53 churches elders of jws are free of accusations. and in 50 states of America, 40 churches approx. do not have that accusations at all.This is due to The GB being rigid.

now lets see the UNRIGID OR FLEXIBLE system of the catholics that Myjoe is irresponsibly shying away from;

[size=14pt]The John Jay report indicated that some 11,000 allegations had been made against 4,392 priests in the USA. This number constituted approximately 4% of the 110,000 priests who had served during the period covered by the survey (1950–2002). The report found that, over the 52-year period covered by the study, "the problem was indeed widespread and affected more than 95 percent of the dioceses and approximately 60 percent of religious communities."[/size]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_United_States#Number_of_allegations

now, which one is better? the rigid GB style or the catholics embarasing type!

But I'll give you this: you may be correct in the above that I may not believe in the same God as Ola (I have no clear view of Ola's god/God); but how could anyone take you serious when you conclude that Ola & are are doing the work of our 'master'? You're only reiterating the victimhood that's been part of your dehumanisation* by the Watchtower Society.

Olaadegbu's mouthpiece ke..... - you merely picked him as your anchor and cheaply labelled him an RC without knowing that or caring if he was one to get your message out.

Ola is a Deeper Life member. Now, dig up the DCLM's child abuse cases by parish and archdiocese to finally shut up Ola after your victory over him in some Trinity thread.

he was more pained that no one is challenging me, but choose to do that briefly before handling the batton to anyone as soon as possible

Nimshi:MyJoe: your patience is commendable.

The Witnesses are expected to agree with everything the group of 12 says - this is very rigid. So [size=14pt]while two Catholics may disagree with a papal declaration and discuss it among themselves,[/size] it is unheard-of for two Witnesses to voice out dissent about any official pronouncement of the church to each other. You are expected to agree completely in all things all the time. Very similar. Quite different.

Nimshi:
MyJoe: your patience is commendable.

BARRISTERS: @Myjoe
why are you angry, i want you to de-convert me and my co-travellers!!!thats what you said on the other tread, so for your information, we have a long way to go here, you will continue to react and react to my findings and declarations on the forum,because i want you to de-convert me!!!are you ready?

Myjoe I know the Canadian case. And I also know of others. I believe you know them, too, and are aware that the church has paid out millions of dollars.

Myjoe:The matter of payouts believed to run into millions made to 16 victims is stated in the same Wiki article you yourself have already invested with credibility by lifting from it. As is a case involving $788,000 or so. Yet you have desperately turned around to accuse me of “forcing lies” about what you are not aware of on you in stating that you know about payouts.

Myjoe :Do you get it? Thank you. It seems you are so anxious to declare victory and gloat that when you see an “opening” you dive in with both hands and feet. As you are a lawyer, I believe, a young one, this is dangerous. I mean, lawyers exploit openings but experienced ones do it with caution. What you do is to try to get into the other person’s mind. That helps you to see why he said what he did. Whereas if you jump without doing that what you thought was an opening might be a bait and you will swallow it. Not that that is what happened here – there was no bait. What I meant should have been clear to any objective minded person of average intelligence. And I hope you tone down your attacks after this post. Speculate all you like about imaginary motives I have to denigrate your wonderful religion and de-convert you and your co-travellers, but if you come back at me in that manner I will assume a change of tone is in order. Have a nice day.

Who cares if you're a JW or not?

You're an embarrassment to the human species.

But you may have a childlike sense of humour, eh; I don't know of Ola & MyJoe, but I'm trilled to be part of that Trinity ;-)

But you, you have your head firmly implanted in your rectum: your front end and rear are a duality unto yourself; congratulations (I must not go wash my fingers after typing that). . .

I have noticed MyJoe - whom I have fiercely disagreed with on this thread - is a very patient human; and even MyJoe says you're irredeemable, it's time to wipe the floor with you.

When your elders find you're having these conversations on the Internet, you'll be hurled into the backroom and thoroughly chastised, after which you will 'repent' in ashes and shame. Really, do you think you're free? You're not. but that's your choice; the problem is that you mislead people. And you have rather poor reasoning skills.