haibe: Would like to make something clear:

God is yahweh, not necessarily the Father only but including the Son and Holy ghost.

I know this might be hard to believe cos God dint reveal himself as Jesus until the NT but its just the truth that yahweh doesnt mean the Father only.

Amos 4:10-12
King James Version (KJV)
10 I have sent among you the pestilences after the manner of egypt: you young men have i slain with sword, and have taken away your horses,and i have made the stink of your camps to come up unto the nostrils: yet have ye not returned unto me, SAITH THE LORD
11 I have overthrown some of you, AS GOD overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and ye were as a
firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.
12 Therefore thus will I do unto thee, O Israel: and because I will do this unto thee, prepare to
meet thy God, O Israel.

"Now the Lord appeared to him by the oaks of
Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the
heat of the day. When Abraham lifted up his eyes
and looked, behold, three men were standing
opposite him; and when he saw them, he ran from
the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the
earth" Genesis 18:1-2

Even after abraham had seen three persons, here is what the bible says in verse 13.
"And Yahweh said to Abraham, "Why did Sarah
laugh, saying, 'Shall I indeed bear a child, when I am
so old?' " Genesis 18:13

ijawkid:

Lol...

So Yahweh is not the Father only??

So your trying to convince us that Yahweh = Jesus,Yahweh and the holy spirit??

Haibe its enough....just get some good rest......

What u just said doesn't even mean the trinity any longer....its MODALISM....and u'll get yourself so tied up.......

Please its enough......

If u say Jesus is Yahweh too then let's just burn the bible and walk around bibleless....

If after all the proof that Jesus and Yahweh are not d same you still choose to cling to the triology then its your business......

haibe: @ ijawkid

"The SPIRIT of God has made me, and the breath of the
Almighty gives me life." Job 33:4
"By the WORD of the LORD were the heavens made;
and all the host of them by the SPIRIT (ruach- breath) of
his mouth." Psalm 33:6
"How many are your works, O LORD! In WISDOM you
made them all; the earth is full of your creatures... When
you send forth your SPIRIT, they are created; and you
renew the face of the earth." Psalm 104:24, 30
"By WISDOM the LORD laid the earth's foundations,
by understanding he set the heavens in place; by his
knowledge the deeps were divided, and the clouds let drop
the dew." Proverbs 3:19-20
"But God made the earth by his POWER; he founded the
world by his WISDOM and stretched out the heavens by
his understanding." Jeremiah 10:12
The NT states that Jesus is God's Word, Wisdom and Power:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the
beginning. Through him all things were made; without
him nothing was made that has been made... And the
Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace
and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only
Son from the Father." John 1:1-3, 14
"but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks,
Christ the Power of God and the Wisdom of God." 1
Corinthians 1:24
"That which was from the beginning, which we have
heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we
have looked at and our hands have touched --this we
proclaim concerning the Word of Life -- the Life was
made manifest, and we saw it, and testify to it, and
proclaim to you the Eternal Life which was with the
Father and was made manifest to us -- that which we
have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you
may have fellowship with us; and our fellowship is with
the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ." 1 John 1:1-3
"He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is
the Word of God." Revelation 19:13
Basically, this implies that Jesus existed in an eternal, personal
relationship with the Father as his very own Divine Word,
Wisdom and Power. This is why the NT authors could speak of
Christ in such highly exalted terms without compromising
monotheism. The Judaism of Jesus' day knew that God's Word,
Wisdom and Power were not separate beings but intrinsic
aspects of God's very own eternal Being. Hence, for the NT to
describe Jesus as God's eternal Word, Wisdom and Power
meant that he was(is) eternally bound up in the very identity of
the one true God.

"Jesus said to them, 'I am the bread of life; he who comes
to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall
never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and
yet do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come
to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out. For I
have come down from heaven, not to do my own will,
but the will of him who sent me; and this is the will of
him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he
has given me, but raise it up at the last day. For this is the
will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and
believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise
him up at the last day.'" John 6:35-40
Since Jesus is not the Father, and since the Father isn't the only
Person of Deity, Jesus can therefore be Yahweh's (i.e. the
Father's) Servant and Yahweh at the same time.

Here is a breakdown which i will make and note, ijawkid am in no way saying you HAVE TO believe, just raising my own points.

1. Yahweh is a tri-Personal Being, eternally existing as the
Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
2. In Trinitarian understanding the Father, the Son and the
Holy Spirit can be identified as Yahweh either individually
or collectively, since all three are God fully and eternally.
To break this down further note that:
a. All three Divine Persons can be identified as Yahweh
God collectively.
b. Each specific Person can be identified as Yahweh. For
example, the Father can be identified as Yahweh apart
from the other members of the Godhead without this
implying that the Son and the Spirit are not Yahweh as
well. The same is true in the case of the Son or the Spirit,
i.e. either one can be addressed as Yahweh apart from the
other members without this meaning that the rest are not
Yahweh God.
3. Since there are three distinct Persons of God one Person can
become the Servant of the Other without that Person ceasing
to be God.
4. One of the Divine members of the Trinity became the
Servant of another Divine member, i.e. the Father sent the
Son to be his Servant without this implying that the Son is
not Yahweh or that the Son became his own Servant.
5. Moreover, since the Father can be identified as Yahweh in
isolation from the others, the Son can therefore be identified
as Yahweh's Servant.

There are so many proofs in the bible to show that Yahweh is not just the father but the Godhead, but we take yahweh to mean the father only because thats how God has revealed himself in most cases in the OT.

Just like God is known to be the father alone in the OT until the NT when God reveals himself in the person of Jesus, its the same that applies to God's'name YAHWEH.


Any controversy? Please do it in love

Ihedinobi:

Lovely, bro. Let me assure you though that Jesus was very much evident in the OT as well as the Holy Spirit was. It's just that He didn't go by the Name Jesus then.

haibe:

Get my point, am not saying that the father and son are thesame entities but that just as God applies to Father, son and Holy spirit, the name Yahweh(God) applies to the Father son and holy spirit..simple

Ihedinobi:

Lovely, bro. Let me assure you though that Jesus was very much evident in the OT as well as the Holy Spirit was. It's just that He didn't go by the Name Jesus then.

haibe: @ ijawkid

"The SPIRIT of God has made me, and the breath of the
Almighty gives me life." Job 33:4
"By the WORD of the LORD were the heavens made;
and all the host of them by the SPIRIT (ruach- breath) of
his mouth." Psalm 33:6
"How many are your works, O LORD! In WISDOM you
made them all; the earth is full of your creatures... When
you send forth your SPIRIT, they are created; and you
renew the face of the earth." Psalm 104:24, 30
"By WISDOM the LORD laid the earth's foundations,
by understanding he set the heavens in place; by his
knowledge the deeps were divided, and the clouds let drop
the dew." Proverbs 3:19-20
"But God made the earth by his POWER; he founded the
world by his WISDOM and stretched out the heavens by
his understanding." Jeremiah 10:12
The NT states that Jesus is God's Word, Wisdom and Power:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the
beginning. Through him all things were made; without
him nothing was made that has been made... And the
Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace
and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only
Son from the Father." John 1:1-3, 14
"but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks,
Christ the Power of God and the Wisdom of God." 1
Corinthians 1:24
"That which was from the beginning, which we have
heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we
have looked at and our hands have touched --this we
proclaim concerning the Word of Life -- the Life was
made manifest, and we saw it, and testify to it, and
proclaim to you the Eternal Life which was with the
Father and was made manifest to us -- that which we
have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you
may have fellowship with us; and our fellowship is with
the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ." 1 John 1:1-3
"He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is
the Word of God." Revelation 19:13
Basically, this implies that Jesus existed in an eternal, personal
relationship with the Father as his very own Divine Word,
Wisdom and Power. This is why the NT authors could speak of
Christ in such highly exalted terms without compromising
monotheism. The Judaism of Jesus' day knew that God's Word,
Wisdom and Power were not separate beings but intrinsic
aspects of God's very own eternal Being. Hence, for the NT to
describe Jesus as God's eternal Word, Wisdom and Power
meant that he was(is) eternally bound up in the very identity of
the one true God.

"Jesus said to them, 'I am the bread of life; he who comes
to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall
never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and
yet do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come
to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out. For I
have come down from heaven, not to do my own will,
but the will of him who sent me; and this is the will of
him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he
has given me, but raise it up at the last day. For this is the
will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and
believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise
him up at the last day.'" John 6:35-40
Since Jesus is not the Father, and since the Father isn't the only
Person of Deity, Jesus can therefore be Yahweh's (i.e. the
Father's) Servant and Yahweh at the same time.

Here is a breakdown which i will make and note, ijawkid am in no way saying you HAVE TO believe, just raising my own points.

1. Yahweh is a tri-Personal Being, eternally existing as the
Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
2. In Trinitarian understanding the Father, the Son and the
Holy Spirit can be identified as Yahweh either individually
or collectively, since all three are God fully and eternally.
To break this down further note that:
a. All three Divine Persons can be identified as Yahweh
God collectively.
b. Each specific Person can be identified as Yahweh. For
example, the Father can be identified as Yahweh apart
from the other members of the Godhead without this
implying that the Son and the Spirit are not Yahweh as
well. The same is true in the case of the Son or the Spirit,
i.e. either one can be addressed as Yahweh apart from the
other members without this meaning that the rest are not
Yahweh God.
3. Since there are three distinct Persons of God one Person can
become the Servant of the Other without that Person ceasing
to be God.
4. One of the Divine members of the Trinity became the
Servant of another Divine member, i.e. the Father sent the
Son to be his Servant without this implying that the Son is
not Yahweh or that the Son became his own Servant.
5. Moreover, since the Father can be identified as Yahweh in
isolation from the others, the Son can therefore be identified
as Yahweh's Servant.

There are so many proofs in the bible to show that Yahweh is not just the father but the Godhead, but we take yahweh to mean the father only because thats how God has revealed himself in most cases in the OT.

Just like God is known to be the father alone in the OT until the NT when God reveals himself in the person of Jesus, its the same that applies to God's'name YAHWEH.


Any controversy? Please do it in love

ijawkid:

Ihedinobi I can't believe ur saying this......

I just can't believe what I am reading...

I can't believe u guys will go this far just hold on to and to prove a pagan dogma constantine forced on many....

Its all futile men.........

That Yahweh is the name of the Father,son and holy spirit is just out of the bible....

I think u guys have given me malaria because of this heresy I'm reading....

frosbel: Trinity doctrine debunked that's for sure.

ijawkid:

I'll have to laugh again....

I can't believe this is where the trinity has taken u guys to....

Ok please explain to me in short words why Yahweh which was Jesus didn't know when the end would come but another Yahweh did.....??

And please tell me why Jesus's name is Jesus and Yahwehs name still remains Yahweh ??

How can Yahweh be the name of the Father ,the son and holy spirit....

It can be, because they are all one
This has got to be the greatest heresy of all times......

That only 144,000 who are JW will be saved would be a better heresy to consider the gretest
SMH!!!!!!......

I knew it will get to this point....

Ok one last question for u::::::

Can Yahweh die??.......
In his divine nature he cant, in flesh he can.
Did Yahweh die??
In flesh he did
Has Yahweh ever died??...
Above
Haibe.......I wish u lived in the times of Jesus to make these statements.....Jesus would have been the one to flog u with whips....
Jesus would rather flog you whip for making him lesser than he his.
U guys have turned the name Yahweh into the surname of a triplet set of kids(Yahweh,Jesus and holy spirit).....
You still lack understanding on my post

From the mouths of ihedinobi and haibe Yahweh is now the name of 3 persons not the 1 person the Jews and Jesus himself worshipped...

Only trinitarians can understand
I can't stop laughing.....

U guys really need some rest...

I think its enough...

This is the height of confusion...

haibe: @ijawkid the fact that Jesus said he did not know that hour does not affect him being God, Jesus was both God and man. He had two natures. He was divine
and human at the same time. This teaching is known as the
hypostatic union; that is, the coming-together of two natures in one
person. In Heb. 2:9 that Jesus was ". . . made for a little while
lower than the angels . . ." Also in Phil. 2:5-8, it says that Jesus
"emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being
made in the likeness of men . . ." Col. 2:9 says, "For in Him all the
fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." Jesus was both God and
man at the same time.
As a man, Jesus cooperated with the limitations of being a man.
That is why we have verses like Luke 2:52 that says "Jesus kept
increasing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men."
Therefore, at this point in his ministry he could say He did not
know the day nor hour of His return. It is not a denial of His being
God, but a confirmation of Him being man.
Also, the logic that Jesus could not be God because He did not
know all things works both ways. If we could find a scripture
where Jesus does know all things, then that would prove that He
was God, wouldn't it?
He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love
Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do
you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things;
You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Tend My
sheep" ( John 21:17 ).
Jesus did not correct Peter and say, "Hold on Peter, I do not know
all things." He let Peter continue on with his statement that Jesus
knew all things. Therefore, it must be true.
But, if we have a verse that says that Jesus did not know all things
and another that says he did know all things, then isn't that a
contradiction? No. It is not.
Before Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection He said the Father alone
knew the day and hour of His return. It wasn't until after Jesus'
crucifixion and resurrection that omniscience is attributed to Jesus.
As I said before, Jesus was cooperating with the limitations of being
a man and completed His ministry on this earth. He was then
glorified in His resurrection. Yet, He was still a man (Col. 2:9;
1 Tim. 2:5). After Jesus' resurrection, He was able to appear and
disappear at will. This is not the normal ability of a man. But, it is,
apparently, the normal ability of a resurrected and glorified man.
Jesus was different after the resurrection. There had been a change.
He was still a man and He knew all things.
So jesus eat, slept, drank, wept and so forth, that does not make him a lesser God has you think, in the grand plan for redemption he humbled himself in taking on the form of man and thus had to act as a man would.
You can say whatever you like but the trinity is very clear in the bible.

Sweetnecta: Frosbel doesn't belong in christianity, if he debunked trinity.
for sure in his debunking he has destroyed Jesus and or holy ghost or something else as truly God.

Jesus said "all these things I spake to you". I am sure his disciples heard him "spake".
when Jesus said the another comforter will speak, he must have meant that when he "speak"s the listeners/audience will hear him, just as he heard God.
And we know that God Speaks in Audible Voice. A proof of this is His Speaking to Moses [as] at the "Burning Bush".

How will ghost pass the "he shall speak" test when he doesn't have a voice and man with voice is gonna be said he can't be the speaking spirit, when spirit is synonymous to prophet in many a prophet have gone to the world; all of them are false except one since the test of knowing if one is a true prophet is whatever he says must come to pass, even though it may be opposing the verses of the Bible, since he as another comforter will teach all truth and lead people to all truth. If Jesus had led to all truth or taught to all truth, there was no point having an another comforter to do it all over again.

haibe: Matthew 4:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Why will jesus tell satan this if he wasnt God?

Ijawkid if you were being tempted by satan, would you quote such a verse, was it meant for us to use?

Ihedinobi:
Let me assure you though that Jesus was very much evident in the OT as well as the Holy Spirit was. It's just that He didn't go by the Name Jesus then.

Names          Meaning
Adam                  comes from adomah, and means "man."

Seth                  appointed: (Gen 4:25) When he was born Eve said, "For God hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew."

Enosh                "mortal," "frail," or "miserable." It is from the root anash: to be incurable; used of a wound, grief, woe, sickness, or wickedness.

Kenan                "sorrow," dirge," or "elegy."

Mahalalel             from mahalal, which means "blessed" or "praise"; and El, the name for God. Thus, Mahalalel means "the Blessed God."

Jared                 from the verb yaradh, meaning "shall come down."

Enoch                 means "teaching," or "commencement."

Methuselah            comes from two roots: muth, a root that means "death" ; and from shalach, which means "to bring," or "to send forth." Thus, the name      
                      Methuselah signifies, "his death shall bring."

Lamech               "despairing."
Noah                 derived from nacham , "to bring relief" or "comfort,"

Hebrew          English

Adam                   Man
Seth                   Appointed
Enosh                  Mortal
Kenan                  Sorrow
Mahalalel              The Blessed God
Jared                  Shall come down
Enoch                  Teaching
Methuselah             His death shall bring
Lamech                 The despairing
Noah                   Rest, or comfort

ijawkid:

So u mean this lil verse is confusing the hell out of u.??

SMH!!!!!.....

Should I tutor u on this??...

I'm so surprised.....

Ok let me ask u:::

What made Jesus say that to satan??....

What did satan tell Jesus that made Jesus say"" it is written Þhou shall not tempt the LorÐ thy GoÐ""

I don't even know why I'm discu§sing this verse with Ù....

Lol.....

frosbel: Trinity doctrine debunked that's for sure.

haibe: Matthew 4:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Why will jesus tell satan this if he wasnt God?

ijawkid:

SMH!!!!!!!....

I believe the balderdash u put up there was the same thing Jesus and all the Jews believed in??.......

SMH!!!!!......

I can't believe my eyes.....

Mayb the holy spirit which is the last part of the triplet whose name too is Yahweh explained this to you........

Haibe even catholics don't believe in this,,,,.........

Its so unfortunate that the trinity can make u believe this rubbish u put up there....

I'm waiting for other persons to come see the rubbish u wrote....

aletheia:

^^
Do you see it?

aletheia:

Hebrew          English

Adam                   Man
Seth                   Appointed
Enosh                  Mortal
Kenan                  Sorrow
Mahalalel              The Blessed God
Jared                  Shall come down
Enoch                  Teaching
Methuselah             His death shall bring
Lamech                 The despairing
Noah                   Rest, or comfort

^^
Do you see it?

Man (Adam) [is] Appointed (Seth) [to] Mortal (Enosh) Sorrow (Kenan). The Blessed God (Mahalalel). . .Shall come down (Jared). . .Teaching (Enoch). . .His death shall bring (Methuselah). . .The despairing (Lamech). . .Rest, or comfort (Noah).

Man [is] Appointed [to] Mortal Sorrow The Blessed God. . .Shall come down. . .Teaching. . .His death shall bring. . .The despairing. . .Rest, or comfort.

Ubenedictus: check again, catholics believe exactly what he explained above.

ijawkid:

Oh so the catholics feel

##Yahwehs name is Yahweh??

##Jesus name is Yahweh??

## the holy spirits name is Yahweh.....??

Y'all must be on some shekpe or drugs...

The trinity has driven your minds and mental faculties crazy....

I'm sorry I have to say that.....

I can't believe I'm hearing this from you guys.....

Please show me where d bible says Jesus's name is Yahweh and also the holy spirit...

Please I need scriptures....

Don't go around in circles my bro....

I got about :hundreds of verses to show God the Father's name is Yahweh...

Please I need yours on Jesus and the holy spirit.....

U guys have gone out of control.....

Image123:
is that verse not suggesting that God can be tempted?

Ubenedictus: aha! I have decided to deny u d pleasure of that argument. I do wish anyway to inform u that the name yahwe mean 'he is' in essence the name yahweh and "i am" revealed to moses arent different, u would certainly find christ using d word 'i am' thru out scriptures.

haibe: @ijawkid the fact that Jesus said he did not know that hour does not affect him being God, Jesus was both God and man. He had two natures. He was divine
and human at the same time. This teaching is known as the
hypostatic union; that is, the coming-together of two natures in one
person. In Heb. 2:9 that Jesus was ". . . made for a little while
lower than the angels . . ." Also in Phil. 2:5-8, it says that Jesus
"emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being
made in the likeness of men . . ." Col. 2:9 says, "For in Him all the
fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." Jesus was both God and
man at the same time.
As a man, Jesus cooperated with the limitations of being a man.
That is why we have verses like Luke 2:52 that says "Jesus kept
increasing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men."
Therefore, at this point in his ministry he could say He did not
know the day nor hour of His return. It is not a denial of His being
God, but a confirmation of Him being man.
Also, the logic that Jesus could not be God because He did not
know all things works both ways. If we could find a scripture
where Jesus does know all things, then that would prove that He
was God, wouldn't it?
He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love
Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do
you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things;
You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Tend My
sheep" ( John 21:17 ).
Jesus did not correct Peter and say, "Hold on Peter, I do not know
all things." He let Peter continue on with his statement that Jesus
knew all things. Therefore, it must be true.
But, if we have a verse that says that Jesus did not know all things
and another that says he did know all things, then isn't that a
contradiction? No. It is not.
Before Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection He said the Father alone
knew the day and hour of His return. It wasn't until after Jesus'
crucifixion and resurrection that omniscience is attributed to Jesus.
As I said before, Jesus was cooperating with the limitations of being
a man and completed His ministry on this earth. He was then
glorified in His resurrection. Yet, He was still a man (Col. 2:9;
1 Tim. 2:5). After Jesus' resurrection, He was able to appear and
disappear at will. This is not the normal ability of a man. But, it is,
apparently, the normal ability of a resurrected and glorified man.
Jesus was different after the resurrection. There had been a change.
He was still a man and He knew all things.
So jesus eat, slept, drank, wept and so forth, that does not make him a lesser God has you think, in the grand plan for redemption he humbled himself in taking on the form of man and thus had to act as a man would.
You can say whatever you like but the trinity is very clear in the bible.