I am always interested in increasing my database of religious secrets.

@focused
Maybe you wouldn't mind telling us some secrets you know about the religion as you claimed below?

focused:

@Olabowale :
Who knows you in Ilu Oba ? I am saying that you don't know anything about Islam. If you know the secrets embedded in the cult you call Islam, you will run away fast. So your problem here is advanced ignorance. I will continue to pray for you and I will continue to plead the blood of Jesus on your behalf.

@Olabowale : Hitler was not a Christian, that is not a fact, infact he rejected Christianity according to Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young

Hitler says and I quote

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together, The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity, Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

@Logical :

Olabowale is hell bent on insisting that Hitler is a Christian . I wonder where he got his fake information from. Or is he saying this as a way of revenging?

Islamic religion is a satanic religion manufactured from the pits of hell, of which Muhammad is the satanic messenger. Their Quran is full of contradiction. They try to give legitimacy to their Quran by plagiarising the bible. Quran is not from God and Muhammad is not a comforter. Mecca is the Eastern headquarter of satanic Kingdom.

If you want to know more contact me privately, so that the little Osama bin Laden on Nairaland will not send cyber assassins to kill any innocent Christians on Nairaland .

Muhammed was 53 years old when he married Aisha who was 9 years old. Yet they call him a holy prophet. As far as I am concerned he is a sex pervert, who is committing aggressive child abuse.

The question is : Can a nine years old girl take any mature decisions??

What a terrible example and this is causing havoc because many muslims follow this example, in some of these Islamic countrries, you will see 50 to 60 to 70 years old men looking for a girl as young as 9 to 12 years old as a wife

@Olabowale :

I hope you are not planning to engage a 6 years old girl and marry her at 9 years old just the way your spiritual leader (Muhammad) did

@focused

Islamic religion is a satanic religion manufactured from the pits of hell, of which Muhammad is the satanic messenger. Their Quran is full of contradiction. They try to give legitimacy to their Quran by plagiarising the bible. Quran is not from God and Muhammad is not a comforter. Mecca is the Eastern headquarter of satanic Kingdom.

If you want to know more contact me privately, so that the little Osama bin Laden on Nairaland will not send cyber assassins to kill any innocent Christians on Nairaland

Table your evidence and let us have a matured discussion.

focused:

Muhammed was 53 years old when he married Aisha who was 9 years old. Yet they call him a holy prophet. As far as I am concerned he is a sex pervert, who is committing aggressive child abuse.

The question is : Can a nine years old girl take any mature decisions??

What a terrible example and this is causing havoc because many muslims follow this example, in some of these Islamic countrries, you will see 50 to 60 to 70 years old men looking for a girl as young as 9 to 12 years old as a wife

I have read this argument raised again and again, what standard are we using to judge his marriage to a 9 year old, 1000+ years ago?

Logical:

I have read this argument raised again and again, what standard are we using to judge his marriage to a 9 year old, 1000+ years ago?

go to Katsina, kontagora and Afghanistan,you'll see 8 and  9 year old brides of 53 year olds.
Someone set that "stellar example"

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5541006

@Olabowanle

I honestly don't have the time to decipher the Qu'ran for u and then explain the Bible to u.

But something that caught my eye is ur ignorance to the fact that Hitler was atheist.

Seriously man that is common knowledge. He doesn't acknowledge God.

When God created Adam he created Eve. He did not create Eve 1, Eve 2, Eve 3, Eve 4, Eve 22

Unless the Qu'ran says something different and says that they were all created for Adam. Because clearly Muhammed claims that the Christians after hundreds of years have the wrong interpretation of Christ's teaching. This revelation he received when he ran from society and hid in a cave and received a message from an angel. But ofcourse there are no witnesses and no prophecies.

But this is a conversation for later and clearly another topic.

@~Lady~:

But something that caught my eye is your ignorance to the fact that Hitler was atheist.

Seriously man that is common knowledge. He doesn't acknowledge God.

I guess all the churches he went, they worship nothing there? The christian clothing and the cross hanging around the necks of those people who were in there with him, were just nothing? This is nothing upon nothing, the third reich are? There was nothing the Germans were worshipping they were all atheists!

Let me ask you, since you are a lady; what will happen if you are the only person in your neighborhood and among your friend who is not married? And there is a man who has the way with it all to meet all your marriage demand, except that he is married. Will you not marry him if he proposes to you? Instead of you remaining a spinster whereby you may be receiving all kinds of attentions from the men you are not interested in? Will you refuse to marry this married man? Where is it that the Bible or Jesus said clearly without the usual 'inferences,' that only one wife can any husband marry at any one time?

And by the way if we still follow Adam and Eve condition, along with their children, brothers and sisters marriages will still be permissable, today. There goes your Adam and Eve idea. Yet jesus was not married, and can you follow jesus in this matter my sister?

@Logical,

I have read this argument raised again and again, what standard are we using to judge his marriage to a 9 year old, 1000+ years ago?

The same standard we use to judge right and wrong since time immemorial. Are we using a different standard to judge stealing today as we did 2000 years ago? The truth is right and wrong has never changed, and the human conscience is still a fairly good arbiter to discern both right and wrong. No where do we find in the Bible, which predates the time of Mohammed that a six year old is wedded to a filthy old man who can't control is libido.

And your argument does Islam no good at all. Is Mohammed supposed to live by God's standard? Is God's standard subject to abrogation based on societal evolution? If God frowns on a 50 year old man marrying a 6 year old girl today, you can be sure that He felt the same way 2,000 years ago becuase He does not change. His words are not subject to abrogation just as His standards are not based on societal evolution. He wont decree a man to marry no more than 4 wives and yet indulge his so-called prophet to marry 22, even though this prophet is supposed to lead by example. All thes only expose the fraud of Mohammed who is not just the supposed channel of God's voice, but the author of the very words allegedly revealed to him (never mind that majority were plagiarised). Talk about cunny man!

@Olabowale

Let me ask you, since you are a lady; what will happen if you are the only person in your neighborhood and among your friend who is not married? And there is a man who has the way with it all to meet all your marriage demand, except that he is married. Will you not marry him if he proposes to you? Instead of you remaining a spinster whereby you may be receiving all kinds of attentions from the men you are not interested in? Will you refuse to marry this married man? Where is it that the Bible or Jesus said clearly without the usual 'inferences,' that only one wife can any husband marry at any one time?

This is one of the biggest mistakes u've ever made.
Let it be known to u that there are those who are called to different vocations. There are those who are called to married life, there are those who are called to single life, and there are those who are called to the religious vocations (priests, nuns, etc.)

Now as for my situation. Let it be known to u that I am not a desperate woman. Let it be known to u that at age 40 and unmarried, I would still not be a desperate woman, let it be known to u that at age 70 and unmarried, I would still not be a desperate woman. Let it be known to u that I live my life according to God's will and not mine. If God wills me to single life then so be it. It was his will that the earth be created, it was his will that i was born, who am I to challenge is his will in my life. Trust me I've learned to surrender to his will, so ultimately it is him who matters. My ultimate goal is not to be married my dear, but to spend eternity with him.



Pls target ur ridiculous question to one of ur muslim sisters. Cause this sista is not desperate for man, but for God.

@Olabowale :

Why are you wallowing in your advanced Ignorance. Where did you get your fake information that Hitler is a Christian?. Are you deliberately revenging on behalf of your Islamic allah?

I plead the blood of Jesus on your behalf.!!!

The same standard we use to judge right and wrong since time immemorial. Are we using a different standard to judge stealing today as we did 2000 years ago? The truth is right and wrong has never changed, and the human conscience is still a fairly good arbiter to discern both right and wrong. No where do we find in the Bible, which predates the time of Muhammad that a six year old is wedded to a filthy old man who can't control is libido.

And your argument does Islam no good at all. Is Muhammad supposed to live by God's standard? Is God's standard subject to abrogation based on societal evolution? If God frowns on a 50 year old man marrying a 6 year old girl today, you can be sure that He felt the same way 2,000 years ago becuase He does not change. His words are not subject to abrogation just as His standards are not based on societal evolution. He wont decree a man to marry no more than 4 wives and yet indulge his so-called prophet to marry 22, even though this prophet is supposed to lead by example. All thes only expose the fraud of Muhammad who is not just the supposed channel of God's voice, but the author of the very words allegedly revealed to him (never mind that majority were plagiarised). Talk about cunny man!

@Tayo :

Thank you so much Tayo for that contribution. What these Islamic people don't understand is that God is rock of ages, that does not change. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. He have a standard, a very high standard indeed.

If Muhammad is a prophet (I don't think he is) of God, he should lead by example. He should lead by the high standard of God.

Monogamy is the standard of God regarding marriage, but this sexual pervert (Muhammad) practised aggressive polygamy (polygamy is adultery and marrying a divorced woman is adultery), and including engaging a girl as young as six years old.

Teaching his followers of Islamic religion to hate and kill, and they claim he is a holy prophet. Propagating their religion using death threat or all sorts of force or violence and they claim their religion is a religion of peace .

~Lady~:

@Olabowanle

I honestly don't have the time to decipher the Qu'ran for u and then explain the Bible to u.

But something that caught my eye is your ignorance to the fact that Hitler was atheist.

Seriously man that is common knowledge. He doesn't acknowledge God.

Hitler wasn't an atheist. The issue of Hitler's beliefs have little to do with ignorance, and more to do with the views he claimed to hold.

Logical:



@Olabowale : Hitler was not a Christian, that is not a fact, infact he rejected Christianity according to Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young

Hitler says and I quote

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together, The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity, Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

He also wrote and said:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice, And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

Here: http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm


Let's just say the man was a strange man.

@Tayo-D

Firstly you are insinuating that marrying a young girl is the same thing as stealing 2000 years ago. There is a line when it comes to marital customs to crime against the state or a community.

When it comes to God's supposed standards this redefines the whole argument, because it needs to be seen from a different perspective. How about from the perspective of the same God of genocide 2000+ years ago, to Judge an army's genocide back in 2000+ years?.

This is really a difficult argument to debate, and we need evidence with historical backings in depth extensively to argue this, not assumptions to backdate acceptable customs that guide people conscience and marital standards of today. You are using your laws and custom's today to judge Muhammad of yesterday, where the customs back then was totally different. People married way below maturity. Age difference is just an excuse for you to bash the fact

I think when it comes to hatred and maiming, both the bible and the Quran has stories that actually insinuates its ok to do so, and there are parts in the same books, that claim its not so too. The question is, do we use Gods supposed standards there too? I think your argument is valid but weak.

There is the evolved God for example in the bible, yet even with todays customs, You dare not accuse God for his past, using the same standards you are attempting to use here.

I guess you call it blasphemy in religion?

I just think, when it comes to the birth of Religion, it should stay in the past, and if you must practice it, try to evolve it with current trends if possible, and adapt it with present laws, customs that ensure the well being of mankind, so as to ensure peace and harmony. Or be like me, stay away from Religion

Where is it that the Bible or Jesus said clearly without the usual 'inferences,' that only one wife can any husband marry at any one time?

Christ said "God made them man and woman, the man shall leave his parents and cling to his wife and the two shall become one"

Christ did not say "God made them man and WOMEN, "

Each time i read about religion on this forum i weep for most of you the way you handle issues, you who posted a topic to criticize other people's religion and believes have forgotten you are as ignorant as what you read but does bot understand.
The great religion said marry more than one wife if you can love and treat them equally. So many Christians have lost there ways due to the misinterpretation of verses of the holy Bible likewise so many Muslims have done thesame. why do you try an d find out and and even ask God for more knowledge in whatever you belief i instead of having a misinterpretation of the book.
As good as some of you think they are,but you will be suprise when you start getting into different things all because you've being judging other people's religion an faith.TO ME IS MY RELIGION TO YOU IS YOUR RELIGION