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Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by vedaxcool(m): 1:44pm On Dec 09, 2012
Often atimes people whose ranking ignorance goes uncontested, often hail "modern" trends as being the right way for humanity! At the same time accusing Islam of repressing such modern trends, but how often have do we sit in understanding such trends? This article provides the effect of the "sexualization" of girls and it's harmful effects on the society:

www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2007/02/sexualization.aspx
[b]
February 19, 2007
Sexualization of Girls is Linked to Common Mental Health Problems in Girls and Women--Eating Disorders,
Low Self-Esteem, and Depression;

An APA Task Force Reports
Psychologists call for replacing sexualized images of girls in media and advertising with positive ones

WASHINGTON--A report of the American
Psychological Association (APA) released
today found evidence that the
proliferation of sexualized images of girls and young women in advertising,
merchandising, and media is harmful to
girls' self-image and healthy development.

To complete the report, the APA Task
Force on the Sexualization of Girls
studied published research on the
content and effects of virtually every
form of media, including television,
music videos, music lyrics, magazines,
movies, video games and the Internet.
They also examined recent advertising
campaigns and merchandising of
products aimed toward girls.

Sexualization was defined by the task
force as occurring when a person's value comes only from her/his sexual appeal or behavior, to the exclusion of other characteristics, and when a person is sexually objectified, e.g., made into a thing for another's sexual use.

Examples of the sexualization of girls in
all forms of media including visual media and other forms of media such as music lyrics abound. And, according to the report, have likely increased in number as "new media" have been created and access to media has become omnipresent. The influence and
attitudes of parents, siblings, and friends can also add to the pressures of
sexualization. "The consequences of the sexualization of girls in media today are very real and are likely to be a negative influence on girls' healthy development," says Eileen L. Zurbriggen, PhD, chair of the APA Task
Force and associate professor of
psychology at the University of
California, Santa Cruz. "We have ample
evidence to conclude that sexualization
has negative effects in a variety of domains, including cognitive functioning, physical and mental health, and healthy sexual development."
Research evidence shows that the
sexualization of girls negatively affects
girls and young women across a variety
of health domains:

Cognitive and Emotional
Consequences: Sexualization and
objectification undermine a person's
confidence in and comfort with her own
body , leading to emotional and self-
image problems, such as shame and
anxiety.

Mental and Physical Health:
Research links sexualization with three
of the most common mental health
problems diagnosed in girls and women-- eating disorders, low self-esteem, and depression or depressed mood.

Sexual Development: Research
suggests that the sexualization of girls
has negative consequences on girls'
ability to develop a healthy sexual self-
image. According to the task force report, parents can play a major role in
contributing to the sexualization of their
daughters or can play a protective and
educative role. The APA report calls on
parents, school officials, and all health
professionals to be alert for the potential impact of sexualization on girls and young women. Schools, the APA says, should teach media literacy skills to all students and should include information on the negative effects of the sexualization of girls in media literacy and sex education programs.
"As a society, we need to replace all of
these sexualized images with ones showing girls in positive settings--ones
that show the uniqueness and
competence of girls," states Dr. Zurbriggen. "The goal should be to
deliver messages to all adolescents--
boys and girls--that lead to healthy
sexual development." [/b]
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by ParisLove2(f): 4:17pm On Dec 09, 2012
**Viewing thread from gender equality and gay mosque in Paris**

Wow so much concern and love for infidel's women. I guess every media or something that sexualize women should be scraped alongside with any paradise that sexualize them too. All this sexualization makes credible men develop sexual feelings for little girls as young as 6-9years! angry.

**strolls out towards tbab1234's thread thinking wft is islamophobe? **
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by vedaxcool(m): 4:37pm On Dec 09, 2012
Paris-Love:
**Viewing thread from gender equality and gay mosque in Paris**

Wow so much concern and love for infidel's women. I guess every media or something that sexualize women should be scraped alongside with any paradise that sexualize them too. All this sexualization makes credible men develop sexual feelings for little girls as young as 6-9years! angry.

**strolls out towards tbab1234's thread thinking wft is islamophobe? **

No cry ehh! grin

www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by vedaxcool(m): 6:00pm On Dec 09, 2012
Islam offered humanity a great solution to the above psychological this, emotional that, mental this, sexu.al that is the Hijab,through the hijab women were honored, the above article shows a fundamental problem in women in the west, lack of self esteem due to the recurring theme of popularizing stark unclothedness and sexu.al banditry: hence to elevate the woman folks Islam brought the hijab that guaranteed women honor.

Below is a woman's understanding of the role hijab plays in the life a muslim woman:

In Islam, hijab is not demanded of
women by men. Hijab and modesty is
ordered upon women by the Merciful
Ever-Living, Ever-Watchful God, as a
protection and a barrier. A means of
interacting in society while holding the
line against anyone who would seek to
harass, hit on, annoy, or irritate them. It
is an outward symbol of an inward
spiritual reality and aspiration. It is not a
political flag for the Islamic state, it is not
a sign of women’s subjugation to men, it
is not a litmus test for religiosity, and it is
not a measure of a woman’s piety, family
background, or sign of her upbringing.
It is one act, a result of one of God’s
commands. Everyone tries to obey Him,
all of us fall short. As one of the
`ulama (scholars) in Chicago once
taught: “A person’s public sin is no worse
than your private sin.”
The attitude that hijab and Islamic dress
codes exist to protect men are an utter
and total fallacy. How do we know that?
Let us approach the Book of Allah
subhanahu wa ta`ala (exalted is He):
“O Prophet, tell your wives and your
daughters and the women of the
believers to bring down over themselves
[part] of their outer garments. That is
more suitable that they will be known
and not be abused. And ever is Allah
Forgiving and Merciful.” (Qur’an 33:59)
This verse comes with the cause or ‘illa
behind the commandment: “so that they
may be known and not abused.” Notice
that the verse does not come with any
mention of men. This is about the
protection of women’s physical safety
and presence from men, not the
protection of men’s spiritual state from
women. The fact that this protection
may occur is a benefit of the Hijab for
the community, not its purpose. From
this, we can take four points that are
critical to a healthy Islamic
understanding of hijab.
1. Hijab is not there to protect men. If
you think it is there to protect you
as a man, we have turned an act to
be done for Allah (swt), into an act
to be done for us . It is there to protect
women, so do not pervert the purpose of
this command of God (swt). There is no
doubt that we come across immodesty
on TV, at school, work, and all over. We
should not use the fact that a sister is
dressed in a way that does not fit God’s
commandments (or our personal
interpretation of God’s commandments)
into a reason for having bad manners, a
lack of respect, and a lack of humility.
For brothers, we should lower our gazes

Imagine if women in the west saw through the schemes of the vile men and took up the hijab, they would be saved from so many psychological problems
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by ParisLove2(f): 6:41pm On Dec 09, 2012
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by vedaxcool(m): 7:42pm On Dec 09, 2012
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grin no cry ehh! We too dey shake headn sotee our neck wan snap, say wetin songs of solomon talk too dorty, imm be like say na American write am, imm too dorty just like dem like to dey sexualize dem girls! Lolz grin grin wetin even bring you come back? Abi na Islamophobe u be or na so you like songs of solomon reach? grin grin unfortunately your link no gree me open, make you check am well well!
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by AtheistD(m): 12:33pm On Dec 12, 2012
So putting them in a hijab from head to toe makes them feel better about themselves?

Why dont we let women tell us what they want rather than deciding for them what they want.
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by vedaxcool(m): 12:41pm On Dec 13, 2012
^
It is good you admit, you don't know what makes women happy, Islam on the other hand emphasis the importance of a woman beyond her body rather in her function to humanity it is very funny the same west is driving it women to depression and low self esteem suddenly wants to present it formula to be the ultimate solution to all women problem! We see as Islam does not reduce women to a sexual toys and mere play things in the hand of men.
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by Kay17: 7:15pm On Dec 13, 2012
vedaxcool: Islam offered humanity a great solution to the above psychological this, emotional that, mental this, sexu.al that is the Hijab,through the hijab women were honored, the above article shows a fundamental problem in women in the west, lack of self esteem due to the recurring theme of popularizing stark unclothedness and sexu.al banditry: hence to elevate the woman folks Islam brought the hijab that guaranteed women honor.

Below is a woman's understanding of the role hijab plays in the life a muslim woman:

In Islam, hijab is not demanded of
women by men. Hijab and modesty is
ordered upon women by the Merciful
Ever-Living, Ever-Watchful God, as a
protection and a barrier. A means of
interacting in society while holding the
line against anyone who would seek to
harass, hit on, annoy, or irritate them. It
is an outward symbol of an inward
spiritual reality and aspiration. It is not a
political flag for the Islamic state, it is not
a sign of women’s subjugation to men, it
is not a litmus test for religiosity, and it is
not a measure of a woman’s piety, family
background, or sign of her upbringing.
It is one act, a result of one of God’s
commands. Everyone tries to obey Him,
all of us fall short. As one of the
`ulama (scholars) in Chicago once
taught: “A person’s public sin is no worse
than your private sin.”
The attitude that hijab and Islamic dress
codes exist to protect men are an utter
and total fallacy. How do we know that?
Let us approach the Book of Allah
subhanahu wa ta`ala (exalted is He):
“O Prophet, tell your wives and your
daughters and the women of the
believers to bring down over themselves
[part] of their outer garments. That is
more suitable that they will be known
and not be abused. And ever is Allah
Forgiving and Merciful.” (Qur’an 33:59)
This verse comes with the cause or ‘illa
behind the commandment: “so that they
may be known and not abused.” Notice
that the verse does not come with any
mention of men. This is about the
protection of women’s physical safety
and presence from men, not the
protection of men’s spiritual state from
women. The fact that this protection
may occur is a benefit of the Hijab for
the community, not its purpose. From
this, we can take four points that are
critical to a healthy Islamic
understanding of hijab.
1. Hijab is not there to protect men. If
you think it is there to protect you
as a man, we have turned an act to
be done for Allah (swt), into an act
to be done for us . It is there to protect
women, so do not pervert the purpose of
this command of God (swt). There is no
doubt that we come across immodesty
on TV, at school, work, and all over. We
should not use the fact that a sister is
dressed in a way that does not fit God’s
commandments (or our personal
interpretation of God’s commandments)
into a reason for having bad manners, a
lack of respect, and a lack of humility.
For brothers, we should lower our gazes

Imagine if women in the west saw through the schemes of the vile men and took up the hijab, they would be saved from so many psychological problems

Do you feel its wrong for women to express themselves in whatever manner they wish, like wear the hijab?

Cos I feel a woman will be happy if she is presented with equal opportunities as her counterpart and freedom accessible to him too.
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by AtheistD(m): 3:39pm On Dec 14, 2012
vedaxcool: ^
It is good you admit, you don't know what makes women happy, Islam on the other hand emphasis the importance of a woman beyond her body rather in her function to humanity it is very funny the same west is driving it women to depression and low self esteem suddenly wants to present it formula to be the ultimate solution to all women problem! We see as Islam does not reduce women to a sexual toys and mere play things in the hand of men.

There is no evidence to suggest that women in the West are depressed based on dress sense alone. There are other favtors. It is complicated.

In regards to the hijab. I do not believe any woman should be pressured into wearing it. And why would covering up a womans body make them feel better about themselves? Isnt lust part of nature? It might be animalistic but it is part of us. Dont women lust after the half naked men going about their work in the hotter countries? Wouldnt a more accurate law be that both parties wear the hijab? What about gay men? Wont they lust after men too if they dont cover up?
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by Nobody: 4:01am On Dec 15, 2012
Very funny thread. U condemn fire then u give them iceblocks as a solution.
Like dressing as a ninja all day won't also raise psychological issues.
Why don't we just stay inbetween shalln't we?
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by Nobody: 4:34am On Dec 15, 2012
Atheist:-D:


There is no evidence to suggest that women in the West are depressed based on dress sense alone. There are other favtors. It is complicated.

In regards to the hijab. I do not believe any woman should be pressured into wearing it. And why would covering up a womans body make them feel better about themselves? Isnt lust part of nature? It might be animalistic but it is part of us. Dont women lust after the half naked men going about their work in the hotter countries? Wouldnt a more accurate law be that both parties wear the hijab? What about gay men? Wont they lust after men too if they dont cover up?

Exactly! Now were looking at the bigger picture.

First of all we must accept one fact: that man and woman are sexual beings and just like animals they love to display their sexual competence esp. when they are confident about it.
Although in my opinion man should have passed the stage of looking at bodily attrativeness and should hold things like intelligence, morality, vision, behavioural compatibility as factors for choosing a mate.
Unfortunately this is not always the case, man is still as primitive-minded as little birds.
And unlike the animal kingdom were its the man who does the displaying, here its the woman who does most of the porn.

Now although I'm not the biggest fan of media sexualization, I believe if there must, there should atleast be a balance.

The problem of today is that the woman is over-sexualized.
She is depcted as a sexual object for man to enjoy at his service.

Thats why a video like ''ur waist'' is way better than wande coal's ''go low''.

In wande's ''go low'', he is a couch potatoe who's fully dressed as half-naked sexy chicks service him.
This sort of creates a delusion in the eyes of the average man, including the couch potatoe. It sub-consciously makes him think women are mere sexual objects who he is justified to use and dis-use without much effort at getting her.

But in ur waist, not only were women sexualised, men were.
The sexy ladies were displayed, and so were the sexy guys displaying.
It create's a balance in this regard.
A man will not see a woman as a mere object to pleasure him but will work hard to attain sexual attrativeness, to get that woman.
This is even what happens in the animal kingdom and it's way better than the ''go low'' type which is by the way the most rampant.

Although like I said earlier we could do better looking at the heart and not the chest.

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Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by vedaxcool(m): 8:49am On Dec 15, 2012
Kay 17:

Do you feel its wrong for women to express themselves in whatever manner they wish, like wear the hijab?

Cos I feel a woman will be happy if she is presented with equal opportunities as her counterpart and freedom accessible to him too.

Your feelings does not present itself as facts, let's argue facts, which is clear from the op, what women feel seems to be a deliberate efforts crafted by men to create an impression that this is what they feel while in fact this is what men think they should! Islam on the other hand made it clear that a woman's importance is beyond the recurring theme of sex.ualization. The Hijab symbolizes this and the religious mores of Islam re-emphasis this!
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by Kay17: 9:43am On Dec 15, 2012
@vexad

But the hijab appears to be a tool to secure the husband's or father's proprietary rights over his wife or daughter.

Besides men aren't subjected to such regimentary dressing.
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by vedaxcool(m): 11:16am On Dec 15, 2012
Kay 17: @vexad

But the hijab appears to be a tool to secure the husband's or father's proprietary rights over his wife or daughter.

Besides men aren't subjected to such regimentary dressing.

Maybe you should read the article written earlier where a muslim woman simply explained the concept behind the hijab! And let's get things right, this thread is not about woman vs men right, rather it is about the western women plight who suffers all sort of psychological problems because the west has prescribe the wrong pill for the very important issue of women right, unfortunately most atheists can not see the issue of women right beyond the western view of unbridled rilvary between men and women! So let's stay on track please!
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by vedaxcool(m): 11:28am On Dec 15, 2012
Atheist:-D:


There is no evidence to suggest that women in the West are depressed based on dress sense alone. There are other favtors. It is complicated.

In regards to the hijab. I do not believe any woman should be pressured into wearing it. And why would covering up a womans body make them feel better about themselves? Isnt lust part of nature? It might be animalistic but it is part of us. Dont women lust after the half naked men going about their work in the hotter countries? Wouldnt a more accurate law be that both parties wear the hijab? What about gay men? Wont they lust after men too if they dont cover up?

It seems you hardly got the gist, let me try again, the West developed a scheme which they thought promote women rights but rather lead to complicated psychological problems, now Islam recognized the vile schemes of men and brought a culture which includes the hijab, that guaranteed seeing beyond sexuali.ty to define a woman place in the society!
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by Kay17: 2:03pm On Dec 15, 2012
^^^
Yet women don't have a say$
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by Saluman(m): 5:01pm On Dec 15, 2012
This is very funny! The OP forgets to put some evidence forward that shows that women in Islamic countries or societies are doing better.
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by vedaxcool(m): 5:08pm On Dec 15, 2012
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The only funny thing is that none has sucessfully fault the logic of Islam with regards to my presentation because really there is no questions to it, Islam provides a simple basis to maintain the honor of woman and that logic can't be faulted when we read how despite the west "well" thought disposition towards women it simply worsened a bad situation!
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by Kay17: 5:19pm On Dec 15, 2012
Yes, women are unhappy with the objectification of their bodies by the media, politicans and marketers. However a hijab doesn't address the root causes: that is the mentality which society indulges; that women are less human. Hence loss of dignity. If a woman is viewed to deserve the dignity of person, she wouldn't be treated as a good or an infant.
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by vedaxcool(m): 6:22pm On Dec 15, 2012
^
Truly I won't want to believe you still have difficulty grasping my points, which still remains that Islam emphasized the importance of women beyond her sexua.lity through the hijab and mores which simply removes the problem of depression etc as presented by the depravity of consumerism hence this fact remains paramount that Islam understood that a consistent logic that is not at the whims of any remains a panacea towards this depravity! Make any somersault you want it does not side track the real issues presented!
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by Saluman(m): 2:04am On Dec 16, 2012
One has to wonder if the op knows what he is talking about. It is one thing to claim that Western Society has a problem when your solution is 10x worse than the problem at hand.


I have traded in many islamic countries in the middle east and I know first hand how islam is practiced in those countries towards women.
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by AtheistD(m): 9:07am On Dec 16, 2012
vedaxcool: ^
Truly I won't want to believe you still have difficulty grasping my points, which still remains that Islam emphasized the importance of women beyond her sexua.lity through the hijab and mores which simply removes the problem of depression etc as presented by the depravity of consumerism hence this fact remains paramount that Islam understood that a consistent logic that is not at the whims of any remains a panacea towards this depravity! Make any somersault you want it does not side track the real issues presented!

Why cant the solution be mutual? Why cant men don the hijab too?

Like I said earlier. No one should be forced to wear it.
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by Nobody: 9:56am On Dec 16, 2012
vedaxcool: Islam offered humanity a great solution to the above psychological this, emotional that, mental this, sexu.al that is the Hijab,through the hijab women were honored, the above article shows a fundamental problem in women in the west, lack of self esteem due to the recurring theme of popularizing stark unclothedness and sexu.al banditry: hence to elevate the woman folks Islam brought the hijab that guaranteed women honor.

Below is a woman's understanding of the role hijab plays in the life a muslim woman:

In Islam, hijab is not demanded of
women by men. Hijab and modesty is
ordered upon women by the Merciful
Ever-Living, Ever-Watchful God, as a
protection and a barrier. A means of
interacting in society while holding the
line against anyone who would seek to
harass, hit on, annoy, or irritate them. It
is an outward symbol of an inward
spiritual reality and aspiration. It is not a
political flag for the Islamic state, it is not
a sign of women’s subjugation to men, it
is not a litmus test for religiosity, and it is
not a measure of a woman’s piety, family
background, or sign of her upbringing.
It is one act, a result of one of God’s
commands. Everyone tries to obey Him,
all of us fall short. As one of the
`ulama (scholars) in Chicago once
taught: “A person’s public sin is no worse
than your private sin.”
The attitude that hijab and Islamic dress
codes exist to protect men are an utter
and total fallacy. How do we know that?
Let us approach the Book of Allah
subhanahu wa ta`ala (exalted is He):
“O Prophet, tell your wives and your
daughters and the women of the
believers to bring down over themselves
[part] of their outer garments. That is
more suitable that they will be known
and not be abused. And ever is Allah
Forgiving and Merciful.” (Qur’an 33:59)
This verse comes with the cause or ‘illa
behind the commandment: “so that they
may be known and not abused.” Notice
that the verse does not come with any
mention of men. This is about the
protection of women’s physical safety
and presence from men, not the
protection of men’s spiritual state from
women. The fact that this protection
may occur is a benefit of the Hijab for
the community, not its purpose. From
this, we can take four points that are
critical to a healthy Islamic
understanding of hijab.
1. Hijab is not there to protect men. If
you think it is there to protect you
as a man, we have turned an act to
be done for Allah (swt), into an act
to be done for us . It is there to protect
women, so do not pervert the purpose of
this command of God (swt). There is no
doubt that we come across immodesty
on TV, at school, work, and all over. We
should not use the fact that a sister is
dressed in a way that does not fit God’s
commandments (or our personal
interpretation of God’s commandments)
into a reason for having bad manners, a
lack of respect, and a lack of humility.
For brothers, we should lower our gazes

Imagine if women in the west saw through the schemes of the vile men and took up the hijab, they would be saved from so many psychological problems
as far as i am concerned any man who has issues with lust has it.he has to deal with his own sin first.whether women were hijab or not,it will not prevent perverted and warped men from stripping the woman naked in their minds or having sex with them in their minds,by the way does the hijab not give heat? As sunny as it is,many muslim women wear it and would be sweating,yet they will not remove the thing for breeze to blow them.i believe in moderation,simplicity,a beautiful character and a heart of God over public display of religiousity by wearing it.d day i took my roomates hijab to wear when i was still in school then,nobody told me before i removed the thing,i felt so uncomfortable,my ears and scalp began to itch me,i just wore it out of sheer curiousity then but even if dem gime free,i nor feet wear am o.lol
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by Nobody: 10:04am On Dec 16, 2012
vedaxcool: ^
It is good you admit, you don't know what makes women happy, Islam on the other hand emphasis the importance of a woman beyond her body rather in her function to humanity it is very funny the same west is driving it women to depression and low self esteem suddenly wants to present it formula to be the ultimate solution to all women problem! We see as Islam does not reduce women to a sexual toys and mere play things in the hand of men.
yea right,it doesnt reduce women to sexual toys thats why a paedophile governor can marry a teenage egyptian who is still suppose to be in nothing less than jss3.someone whose life is still supposed to revolve around school,homework,class mates,tv is now a wife,i can see muslim women are not intimacy gadgets,thats why they usually marry one wife and will not live children to be children
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by Kay17: 10:21am On Dec 16, 2012
vedaxcool: ^
Truly I won't want to believe you still have difficulty grasping my points, which still remains that Islam emphasized the importance of women beyond her sexua.lity through the hijab and mores which simply removes the problem of depression etc as presented by the depravity of consumerism hence this fact remains paramount that Islam understood that a consistent logic that is not at the whims of any remains a panacea towards this depravity! Make any somersault you want it does not side track the real issues presented!

The use of hijab amplifies the objectification of women, because it doesn't address the mentality of men towards women. Also the hijab offers no real physical protection. Rather it blocks communication with the outer world.
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by Saluman(m): 3:09am On Dec 23, 2012
Kai, this OP na waa!


He hasnt put any evidence forward showing how women in islamic countries are doing better
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by vedaxcool(m): 10:03am On Dec 27, 2012
^

You seem lost in understanding what the thread is actually discussing try re - reading maybe it may become more obvious.
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by AtheistD(m): 4:10pm On Dec 27, 2012
vedaxcool: ^

You seem lost in understanding what the thread is actually discussing try re - reading maybe it may become more obvious.

Just answer the question and stop stalling. Jow is forcing a hijab on women a better approach.
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by vedaxcool(m): 4:34pm On Dec 27, 2012
^
The Islamic approach remains the best approach.
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by Saluman(m): 6:45pm On Dec 27, 2012
vedaxcool: ^
The Islamic approach remains the best approach.


Of course, you have no evidence to support your illogical claim that the islamic approach remains the best.
Re: Are Women in the West Happy? Pt 1 by vedaxcool(m): 7:13pm On Dec 27, 2012
^
Live in your ignorance indeed!

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