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Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Ubenedictus(m): 12:23pm On Sep 15, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Examples. Like what?
for starters the prosperity gospel that turns God into a money bag and becomes weird when pastors threaten with cursed and hell fire over tithe.

It is one of such poo that the Pentecostal churches allow, add that to the love of fragmenting into contradictory sects....

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Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Ubenedictus(m): 12:44pm On Sep 15, 2018
brocab:
Really it doesn't matter-Uben again you are flying of the handle-indulgence purgatory, is the same as tithing, it's about the Church needing more money every week, and what better way is to lie' that money can save lives? Catholic's believed Indulgence can stop you from burning in hell for eternity, it is good news to hear the Catholic's had stop portraying lies for the Money-but the damage had already began, it will take years before the Catholic's would know any truth-most Catholic's haven't seen a bible, let alone reading one!
I don't believe the Church would back down if someone confessed there sins to a priest, and paid: that extra cash of indulgence and purgatory. The priest would accept it with flying colours-he wouldn't even mention it, he would keep his mouth shut-instead of saying-keep your money the Church was wrong for teaching that lie, he would put your money into the treasury and your sins are forgiven..
you still don't make sense.


No one pays money for forgiveness of sins, no one pays for indulgence no more. Indulgence has nothing to do with money, its about prayer and good works, some time ago giving alms to the church was considered indulgenced and some bishops in Germany decided to overemphasized the monetary part. The church removed the whole alms issue because of that abuse.

The problem was solved, you guys should begin solving yours
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 6:34pm On Sep 15, 2018
Ubenedictus:
for starters the prosperity gospel that turns God into a money bag
and becomes weird when pastors threaten with cursed and hell fire over tithe.

It is one of such poo that the Pentecostal churches allow,
add that to the love of fragmenting into contradictory sects....

Is that them?
Are those your examples, of the sh!t, you know, that should be corrected?

Where have you, all these years, been?
Have you been living under a rock?
Wake up Ubenedictus and smell the coffee

For the past ten years plus, threads have been opened all over the place, here, in the Religion section
criticising the prosperity gospel as a gross distortion of the truth

The Riot Act has been read and continues till tomorrow to be read, as regards monetary and/or monetized tithe,
obtained in the form of ecclesiastical tithing, that's obligatory or imposed.

Exposé galore were done about obtaining pecuniary advantage by deception
on penterascal pastors get their hands dirty with filthy lucre, and threatening the sheeple with curse and hell fire over tithe withholding.

So now that you're aware of the above, what do you want done more?
Hang on, wait a minute, your given examples arent even sh!t.
They aren't sh!t at all. They aren't proper sh!t.
They aren't, anything like, you know, that annoying sh!t that refuses to getting flushed

What binds them together is stronger than whatever fragments them into contradictory sects.
The contradictory sects are unified by what altogether binds them.

All fingers arent alike, your fingers Ubenedictus aren't the same length.
So Ubenedictus, why not do this.
Look at the contradictory sects, like, they're five fingers,
who are brothers but arent equal in length,
yet are part of the body at the end of an arm
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 12:22am On Sep 16, 2018
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND INDULGENCES -- 4/08/15
Today's selection -- from God's Bankers by Gerald Posner. One of the scandalous practices of the Catholic church was the sale of "indulgences" to raise money. Indulgences allowed Catholics to buy forgiveness for their sins with cold, hard cash.
Most remember that indulgences were one of the primary reasons Martin Luther made the cataclysmic decision to leave the Catholic church and start the "Protestant" movement.
However, few realize that indulgences were used by the Catholic church as a primary source of revenue for over a thousand years, and that the practice did not end as a result of Luther's protests:
The cost of running the church's kingdom while maintaining the profligate lifestyle of one of Europe's grandest courts pressured the Vatican always to look for ways to bring in more money.
Taxes and fees levied on the Papal States paid most of the empire's basic expenses. The sales of produce from its agriculturally rich northern land as well as rents collected from its properties throughout Europe brought in extra cash.
But over time that was not enough to fuel the lavish lifestyles of the Pope and his top clerics.
The church found the money it needed in the selling of so-called indulgences, a sixth-century invention whereby the faithful paid for a piece of paper that promised that God would forgo any earthly punishment for the buyer's sins.
The early church's penances were often severe, including flogging, imprisonment, or even death. Although some indulgences were free, the best ones -- promising the most redemption for the gravest sins -- were expensive.
The Vatican set prices according to the severity of the sin and they were initially available only to those who made a pilgrimage to Rome.
So they did sell indulgence to the people-with hard earned cash! They may not be selling indulgence any longer, but I am sure they are selling something else to match up the differences..Uben try to understand your Church is on the firing line-your Church had been pushing out the rubbish for so long, it is not the Church itself, it's Catholic's that can't handle the feed backs it really deserves. It's not the Church-its people-that brought the Church on it's knee's, religious people that steals kills and destroys God's chosen..
Ubenedictus:
The problem was solved, you guys should begin solving yours
I did solve it, I left the Church-just like Martin Luther did leaving the Catholic Church, Martin Luther and I know since man had bowed down before Satan-the doors opened for corruption to begin-and the money became gods refusing the truth.
Ubenedictus:
you still don't make sense.


No one pays money for forgiveness of sins, no one pays for indulgence no more. Indulgence has nothing to do with money, its about prayer and good works, some time ago giving alms to the church was considered indulgenced and some bishops in Germany decided to overemphasized the monetary part. The church removed the whole alms issue because of that abuse.

The problem was solved, you guys should begin solving yours
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 12:51am On Sep 16, 2018
Then do you believe his tithing to his pastor is supporting him?
MuttleyLaff:
Looks can be deceiving.

Were you expecting him putting on draping and flowing agbada or babaringa?

Nothing in the pic tells a hardship or poverty story
He looked every inch rich, clean and well groomed to me in the pic.
He had neat hair, chic clothes on, as in the high street branded pair of jeans and jacket, that fitted him well.
The beaming smile on his face showed, a satisfied and contented person, at peace with himself and God.

Petra1 will be LOL reading your comments
He'll probably admit to the "I am a Small structure, with a big God" sanitised version expression.
Some might look small, but dont be deceived by that structure or appearance,
because unbeknownst to you, they're actually are big in terms of financial power and philanthropy
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 7:18am On Sep 16, 2018
brocab:
Then do you believe his tithing to his pastor is supporting him?
Maybe his tithing to his pastor is supporting him. I dont know.
I however do believe, he earns a livelihood, asides regularly remits accrued tithes to Christ Embassy Headquarters at Oregun, in Lagos.
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 5:52am On Sep 18, 2018
Is Petro1 you? Having two names on this forum? It seems you know him to well, non tithers, know tithing doesn't make you rich, and yet you aren't sure if this is true or not, "tithing was never used to make anybody rich, tithing was used to help feed the needy.
If God steps on the Seine, then everything God said and done is for the needy-not for greedy men and women who caste of their first fruits.
Becoming rich through the process, defrauding the Church, "Sadly tithing these days isn't used the way God wanted it to be used..
Pastor's that defraud money of the Church-are lazy gluttons "criminals, to lazy to work, expecting a handout-expecting the Church to bless their evil thoughts.
But it seems petro1 is rich to your knowledge-but to my knowledge he is poor, in bible knowledge-if he knew the bible, he would obey the Word of God, he would know tithing and the rest of the other 612 laws was given to the Jews.
{Galatians 3:10} For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
One law is as good as the other, but sadly the other 612 laws are the forgotten laws-do we stone our Children-and yet, the Church chooses which of the laws, that they should play it's part into their kingdom come, that should be done on their earth, and their rich heaven, "Give us this day our daily wage, and forgive us our sin..
MuttleyLaff:
Maybe his tithing to his pastor is supporting him. I dont know.
I however do believe, he earns a livelihood, asides regularly remits accrued tithes to Christ Embassy Headquarters at Oregun, in Lagos.
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 6:12am On Sep 18, 2018
brocab:
Is Petro1 you? Having two names on this forum? It seems you know him to well, non tithers, know tithing doesn't make you rich, and yet you aren't sure if this is true or not, "tithing was never used to make anybody rich, tithing was used to help feed the needy.
If God steps on the Seine, then everything God said and done is for the needy-not for greedy men and women who caste of their first fruits.
Becoming rich through the process, defrauding the Church, "Sadly tithing these days isn't used the way God wanted it to be used..
Pastor's that defraud money of the Church-are lazy gluttons "criminals, to lazy to work, expecting a handout-expecting the Church to bless their evil thoughts.
But it seems petro1 is rich to your knowledge-but to my knowledge he is poor, in bible knowledge-if he knew the bible, he would obey the Word of God, he would know tithing and the rest of the other 612 laws was given to the Jews.
{Galatians 3:10} For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
One law is as good as the other, but sadly the other 612 laws are the forgotten laws-do we stone our Children-and yet, the Church chooses which of the laws, that they should play it's part into their kingdom come, that should be done on their earth, and their rich heaven, "Give us this day our daily wage, and forgive us our sin..
I am sorry, no, I am not Petra1.
If you want to put it this way, you can say, I am my brother's keeper, and thats why or how I know well enough of him
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Ubenedictus(m): 8:40am On Sep 18, 2018
brocab:
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND INDULGENCES -- 4/08/15
Today's selection -- from God's Bankers by Gerald Posner. One of the scandalous practices of the Catholic church was the sale of "indulgences" to raise money. Indulgences allowed Catholics to buy forgiveness for their sins with cold, hard cash.
Most remember that indulgences were one of the primary reasons Martin Luther made the cataclysmic decision to leave the Catholic church and start the "Protestant" movement.
However, few realize that indulgences were used by the Catholic church as a primary source of revenue for over a thousand years, and that the practice did not end as a result of Luther's protests:
The cost of running the church's kingdom while maintaining the profligate lifestyle of one of Europe's grandest courts pressured the Vatican always to look for ways to bring in more money.
Taxes and fees levied on the Papal States paid most of the empire's basic expenses. The sales of produce from its agriculturally rich northern land as well as rents collected from its properties throughout Europe brought in extra cash.
But over time that was not enough to fuel the lavish lifestyles of the Pope and his top clerics.
The church found the money it needed in the selling of so-called indulgences, a sixth-century invention whereby the faithful paid for a piece of paper that promised that God would forgo any earthly punishment for the buyer's sins.
The early church's penances were often severe, including flogging, imprisonment, or even death. Although some indulgences were free, the best ones -- promising the most redemption for the gravest sins -- were expensive.
The Vatican set prices according to the severity of the sin and they were initially available only to those who made a pilgrimage to Rome.
So they did sell indulgence to the people-with hard earned cash! They may not be selling indulgence any longer, but I am sure they are selling something else to match up the differences..Uben try to understand your Church is on the firing line-your Church had been pushing out the rubbish for so long, it is not the Church itself, it's Catholic's that can't handle the feed backs it really deserves. It's not the Church-its people-that brought the Church on it's knee's, religious people that steals kills and destroys God's chosen..
I did solve it, I left the Church-just like Martin Luther did leaving the Catholic Church, Martin Luther and I know since man had bowed down before Satan-the doors opened for corruption to begin-and the money became gods refusing the truth.
as usual your story veers from the truth, sins were never attached to specific sums as you claim and the abuse of overexagerating the monetary aspect was confined to Germany not the entire church.



Yet the abuse was dealt with, what are you guys doing about your own
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 10:32pm On Sep 18, 2018
As usual you blame me, because I retrieve my information from the net-someone is wrong-and somehow I don't believe it's the stories you produce! Catholic's are more focus upon defending Rome, then they are defending Christ!
I retrieve my information of line, I search the net over and over, to see if the stories are true, sadly for you, everybody seems to have the same pinon about their searches, they spend a lot of time for nothing-wasting time-if you were always right uben.
Ubenedictus:
Yet the abuse was dealt with, what are you guys doing about your own
Uben the above statement is not dealt with-the Catholic Church holds some pretty unsafe matters still to arise out of its hidden darkest ages. Catholic's are knowing as law breakers-they were always hidden under Romes agenda's, Rome has a long journey still-this will take some time before this is completely dealt with-you blame outside of Rome-how can that be, since you believe everything started with Rome from the beginning.
The Catholic Church isn't right-they have a lot to answer for, and it doesn't matter where I go to search the net, credits are everywhere..
Ubenedictus:
as usual your story veers from the truth, sins were never attached to specific sums as you claim and the abuse of overexagerating the monetary aspect was confined to Germany not the entire church.



Yet the abuse was dealt with, what are you guys doing about your own
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 10:56pm On Sep 18, 2018
I am also a brother in Christ-but you don't know me-well enough to be my keeper? I am a anti tither-petro1 is a tither, which means we both don't have anything in common, I couldn't be his keeper-petro1 and I speak of two different gospels-but you are his keeper-you practice what he practices-I don't understand where you are coming from, concerning petro1 'are you in love with him?
MuttleyLaff:
I am sorry, no, I am not Petra1.
If you want to put it this way, you can say, I am my brother's keeper, and thats why or how I know well enough of him
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 6:56am On Sep 19, 2018
brocab:
I am also a brother in Christ
-but you don't know me-well enough to be my keeper?
I am a anti tither-petro1 is a tither, which means we both don't have anything in common
Here is what to do:
Do you see the search button at the very top of this page?
1/ Type in "muttleylaff tither" without the inverted commas, into the long field box that's in front of the search button
2/ Click the search button, after typing in the search string "muttleylaff tither" into the long field box
3/ You will see results for the search of "muttleylaff tither"
4/ Now, come back, to tell, after typing in the search string using "muttleylaff tither"
to say what you found out about whether you and I have anything like about tithe, in common
5/ Take particular interest, in the fourth result with MuttleyLaff as the mention
(i.e. MuttleyLaff: 10:00am On Dec 21, 2017)

brocab:
I couldn't be his keeper-petro1 and I speak of two different gospels
-but you are his keeper
-you practice what he practices
-I don't understand where you are coming from, concerning petro1 'are you in love with him?
I dont have to practise what he practices before being his keeper
I am in love with my neighbour
so means I am in love with Petra1, in love with you, in love with everyone.
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Ubenedictus(m): 12:06pm On Sep 19, 2018
brocab:
As usual you blame me, because I retrieve my information from the net-someone is wrong-and somehow I don't believe it's the stories you produce! Catholic's are more focus upon defending Rome, then they are defending Christ!
I retrieve my information of line, I search the net over and over, to see if the stories are true, sadly for you, everybody seems to have the same pinon about their searches, they spend a lot of time for nothing-wasting time-if you were always right uben.

Uben the above statement is not dealt with-the Catholic Church holds some pretty unsafe matters still to arise out of its hidden darkest ages. Catholic's are knowing as law breakers-they were always hidden under Romes agenda's, Rome has a long journey still-this will take some time before this is completely dealt with-you blame outside of Rome-how can that be, since you believe everything started with Rome from the beginning.
The Catholic Church isn't right-they have a lot to answer for, and it doesn't matter where I go to search the net, credits are everywhere..
yeah, you go on and on about the Catholic church as though you are obsessed but the question remains,


what are you guys doing to handle the poo in your church?
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 7:03pm On Sep 19, 2018
I have my rights to speak up-there is no law to say I can't speak up-even if it against your precious Church, I speak up about all Churches who are more involved in wrong doing-you wanted to know Uben what we are doing about our own poo-well open up your eye's and read the different topic's people have been disguising about different denominations, it is only when the Catholic Church is mentioned, "you stand-not because its 'for the Love for Christ" you stand only for the love of your Church.
Catholic's are always Catholic's, X-so called Catholic's had never left the Catholic Church in action! I have met many so called X Catholic's, who claim to be born again, but had never left their first love in the Catholic Church. {Which doesn't concern Christ}
I was asked by a couple who claim to be born again Christians-but still Catholic in heart-to give a testimony-where my life began before God had called me into His kingdom, I don't like to give a testimony about anything concerning myself-speciously if it concerns about a Church people love-but again I wasn't told I was to be in the house full of Catholic's-as blind as I was-I sat down to tell my story and how I was treated by members of the Catholic Church! Institutionalised as I was, it was my faith in Christ-no matter what, I am here to talk about my ordeal-I sat down believing people need the truth, this is what Christ is all about 'the truth.
After my story-I found the house was full of hateful Catholic's that crucified me over and over-Catholic's that refuses the truth-Catholic's who are blind to televisions and deaf to radio's, I didn't speak up against God-I spoke up against some members of the Catholic Church-Nun's that abused me-torched me, bashed me-I suppose we can't expect Nun's to know, nor understand-the first 4 years in a Child's life is the most important chapter to them-you pollute it-psychically and mentally it damages a Child from top to bottom for the rest of their lives, no-longer are we victims-we become the tormentors-like those who trained us to be..
I didn't speak up against Rome itself-but some members of Rome-Child molesters, child haters-Murders-Child enslavement, cruelty against Children of God. "Lest we forget!
As we all know this behaviour-is found through all different denominations-sadly my story was about the Catholic Church you love so much.
Of course we must forgive-but never forget-this will never stop-we hear of Rome still holding Children at random, Children used as sex slaves in the Vatican, cruelty from the Priest have informed Parents the Vatican have their Children-parents are still crying out like the story of Egypt-let My people Go!
Ubenedictus:
yeah, you go on and on about the Catholic church as though you are obsessed but the question remains,


what are you guys doing to handle the poo in your church?
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 8:51pm On Sep 19, 2018
{1 Timothy 1:3-7}“As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, {Tithing is the strange doctrine} nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.
Some doctrinal controversies are clearly important and worth defending vigorously.
{I don't call anybody my brother in Christ, unless I know them by their fruit-unless we are one in Christ, I don't call anybody my brother that teaches another doctrine "Can't you see-the tithing doctrine causes disputes, and arguments over words.}
{Romans 16:17} Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create divisions and obstacles that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Turn away from them.
I don't know about you, I defend against those so called Christians that lie against the Word of God-liars that teach tithing money brings them health and wealth.
I will defend against any brother, if they teach another doctrine that does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, the brother is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is his means to financial gain. "From such I am to withdraw myself from this brother"..
We love people because we love Christ! Loving somebody doesn't mean you need to be somebodies keeper-if you were Petro1 keeper, what can Petro1 learn from you, visa versa, you both teach two different doctrines! "You both don't play by the same rules and regulations concerning God-unless he is your true brother same Mama same Papa?
MuttleyLaff:
Here is what to do:
Do you see the search button at the very top of this page?
1/ Type in "muttleylaff tither" without the inverted commas, into the long field box that's in front of the search button
2/ Click the search button, after typing in the search string "muttleylaff tither" into the long field box
3/ You will see results for the search of "muttleylaff tither"
4/ Now, come back, to tell, after typing in the search string using "muttleylaff tither"
to say what you found out about whether you and I have anything like about tithe, in common
5/ Take particular interest, in the fourth result with MuttleyLaff as the mention
(i.e. MuttleyLaff: 10:00am On Dec 21, 2017)

I dont have to practise what he practices before being his keeper
I am in love with my neighbour
so means I am in love with Petra1, in love with you, in love with everyone.
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 10:05pm On Sep 19, 2018
brocab:
{1 Timothy 1:3-7}
“As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus
so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines,
{Tithing is the strange doctrine}
nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies,
which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.

Some doctrinal controversies are clearly important and worth defending vigorously

{I don't call anybody my brother in Christ, unless we a in one accord,
I don't call anybody my brother that teaches another doctrine, tithers teach that other doctrine
- can't you see-the tithing doctrine causes disputes, and arguments over words.}

{Romans 16:17}
Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create divisions
and obstacles that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Turn away from them.

I don't know about you, I defend those so called Christians that lie against the Word of God
-liars that teach tithing money brings them health and wealth.

I will defend against any brother, if they teach another doctrine that does not consent to wholesome words,
even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, the brother is proud, knowing nothing,
but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is his means to financial gain.
"From such I am to withdraw myself from this brother"..

We love people because we love Christ!
Loving somebody doesn't mean you need to be somebodies keeper
- if you were Petro1 keeper, what can
Petro1 learn from you, visa versa, you both teach two different doctrines!
"You both don't play by the same rules and regulations concerning God
- unless he is your true brother same Mama same Papa?
About defending opposing vigorously, we've countless times been there, done that, even have the t-shirts bought
We all have different levels of grace, is all I'll say brother
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 10:32pm On Sep 19, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
About defending vigorously, we've countless times been there, done that, even have the t-shirts bought
Why give up-do it more? Don't return yourself back to your own vomit!
{Matthew 12:48-50} But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. I suppose these are your brothers..
Different levels of grace, but same doctrine.
MuttleyLaff:
About defending vigorously, we've countless times been there, done that, even have the t-shirts bought
We all have different levels of grace, is all I'll say brother
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 10:38pm On Sep 19, 2018
brocab:
Why give up-do it more?
Don't return yourself back to your own vomit!
Why give up more what?
Return yourself back to which your own vomit?
Are you alright sha?
I am just asking ni oo.
You know, brother's keepers/neighbour things.

brocab:
{Matthew 12:48-50}
But he replied to the man who told him,
“Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”
And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said,
“Here are my mother and my brothers!
For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Adulterers and adulteresses!
Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God?
Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
I suppose these are your brothers...
Do you fart at all?
Does your fart smell when you do?
Dont your fart smell bad?

Oh. I get it.
Your fart has a deodorized good smell. Right?
So means you're exempt from all these jagbanjatis, you're off the bigoted and sanctimonious hook
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 10:57pm On Sep 19, 2018
Sorry I thought you would prefer to write about God! But if this sort of stuff interest you, I will leave you with the worldly vomit below.
MuttleyLaff:
Why give up more what?
Return yourself back to which your own vomit?
Are you alright sha?
I am just asking ni oo.
You know, brother's keepers/neighbour things.

Do you fart at all?
Does your fart smell when you do?
Dont your fart smell bad?

Oh. I get it.
Your fart has a deodorized good smell. Right?
So means you're exempt from all these jagbanjatis, you're off the bigoted and sanctimonious hook
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 11:01pm On Sep 19, 2018
brocab:
Sorry I thought you would prefer to write about God!
But if this sort of stuff interest you, I will leave you with the worldly vomit below.
Bigoted and sanctimonious
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 11:49pm On Sep 19, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Why give up more what?
Return yourself back to which your own vomit?
Are you alright sha?
I am just asking ni oo.
You know, brother's keepers/neighbour things.

Do you fart at all?
Does your fart smell when you do?
Dont your fart smell bad?

Oh. I get it.
Your fart has a deodorized good smell. Right?
So means you're exempt from all these jagbanjatis, you're off the bigoted and sanctimonious hook
Don't give up-don't return back to your own vomit means, keep it up, don't give up-I can also count my times wearing t-shirts, having stickers on vehicles, and preaching the gospel on the streets, countless times been there done that, didn't stop there-I am still doing it-but using a different approach, I ride a Harley Davidson and in genial I may call people brothers and sisters/neighbours but the only connection I have is the bikes.
And returning back to your own vomit is someone that can't handle a disagreement between both parties.
Your grace is a way off the charts-we don't have to agree/the point is, we have the bible to back up our theories, if it aren't written, it aren't there. You choose to be your brothers keeper-love Petro1 as your brother, but if the love you have for me-is about bad language coming out from your mouth, I prefer you don't love me at all.
MuttleyLaff:
About defending opposing vigorously, we've countless times been there, done that, even have the t-shirts bought
We all have different levels of grace, is all I'll say brother
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 12:16am On Sep 20, 2018
cool
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 6:11am On Sep 20, 2018
brocab:

Don't give up-don't return back to your own vomit means, keep it up, don't give up
- I can also count my times wearing t-shirts, having stickers on vehicles, and preaching the gospel on the streets, countless times been there done that, didn't stop there
- I am still doing it
- but using a different approach, I ride a Harley Davidson and in genial I may call people brothers and sisters/neighbours but the only connection I have is the bikes.


And returning back to your own vomit is someone that can't handle a disagreement between both parties.
Your grace is a way off the charts
- we don't have to agree/the point is, we have the bible to back up our theories, if it aren't written, it aren't there.
You choose to be your brothers keeper-love Petro1 as your brother,
but if the love you have for me-is about bad language coming out from your mouth, I prefer you don't love me at all.

brocab:
cool
brocab, please will you give it a rest.
and who, at 12:16 am after midnight, puts sunglasses shades or goggles on?

Its bad enough as it is, you forming opinion about someone from mere seeing a photo they took
then dissing the person, by saying that looking at photo the person doesn't look like a rich man etcetera
and that "by his structure 'looking at him he smiles like a poor man-his cheap clothing tells the story!"

I have already given you cautionary advices, not to judge by looks, as appearances don't always convey accurate information
If you want to descend into bigoted and sanctimonious talk, then sorry, you'd be barking up the wrong tree
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by JMAN05: 10:22am On Sep 20, 2018
Image123:


Good. Seeing you agree that everything one gives is a percentage of something, we should all give our percentages in peace and faith, shouldn't we?

Yap. Only that God doesn't make it compulsory nor fix a certain percentage.

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Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 10:41pm On Sep 20, 2018
Sorry did I wake you, I live across the other-side of the moon-a place you may never know it exist! What time did I write my page-around 11 am. Sorry do you think I live in Africa-No-my mistake-I didn't realise you have your computer still running with the sound blaring across the room while you sleep, most people turn them off..
If you knew anything about anybody-as you claim you do-which you don't-somebody you believe that looks rich-doesn't prove he is rich-plus money doesn't make anybody rich-it's a figure of your imagination! It's what we do with the money-we give it to the poor the needy and the homeless-this is what makes us rich in God!
Anything out of that square, worldly riches is nothing-but a destroyer that kills the body and everything that dies with it.. But because you believe Petro1 is rich by his cloths and his smile in the photo-then you must believe his tithing to his pastor makes him rich! How does it make him rich?
Because I said: Petro1 doesn't look rich-it is eating you up, do you really care about my opinion-don't people have rights to have their own opinions, just look at what you write-you deafeningly are not speaking love-and I am sure you would come at me with a sword-in the name of your dirty fell mouthed beliefs.
You have got to be kidding man-coming at me like you know "God-with a mouth like yours! Do yourself a favour man, get with God, spend time with Him, pray for you and I-ask Him for your forgiveness! Do that and lets leave the past behind, and start again..
MuttleyLaff:


brocab, please will you give it a rest.
and who, at 12:16 am after midnight, puts sunglasses or goggles on?

Its bad enough as it is, you forming opinion about someone from mere seeing a photo they took
then dissing the person, by saying that looking at photo the person doesn't look like a rich man etcetera
and that "by his structure 'looking at him he smiles like a poor man-his cheap clothing tells the story!"

I have already given you cautionary advices, not to judge by looks, as appearances don't always convey accurate information
If you want to descend into bigoted and sanctimonious talk, then sorry, you'd be barking up the wrong tree
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 11:27pm On Sep 20, 2018
brocab:
Sorry did I wake you, I live across the other-side of the moon-a place you may never know it exist!
Ssshhhh! Oh, put a lid on it already! People are discovering that you're talking from your rear end

brocab:
What time did I write my page -around 11 am.
https://www.nairaland.com/113108/truth-pastor-not-tell-tithes/37#71351924
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 12:16am

You really want to know?
The link is above, shows where you were smiling like the cat who got the cream with sunshade goggles on, at 16 minutes past midnight

brocab:
Sorry do you think I live in Africa
-No
-my mistake
-I didn't realise you have your computer still running with the sound blaring across the room while you sleep, most people turn them off..
Only if you knew. SMH

brocab:
If you knew anything about anybody-as you claim you do-which you don't
-somebody you believe that looks rich-doesn't prove he is rich-plus money doesn't make anybody rich-it's a figure of your imagination!

It's what we do with the money
- we give it to the poor the needy and the homeless
- this is what makes us rich in God!
I am grateful to you for clearing up with this comment what real rich is. Thank you.

1/ If you come to know that Petra1 does both those two, will it make you take back the rubbishing remark you made about him?
2/ Will it make you accept that my cautionary advices, not to judge by looks, as appearances don't always convey accurate information is true?


brocab:
Anything out of that square,
worldly riches is nothing-but a destroyer that kills the body and everything that dies with it..
But because you believe Petro1 is rich by his cloths and his smile in the photo
-then you must believe his tithing to his pastor makes him rich!
How does it make him rich?

SMH. False equivalence

brocab:
Because I said:
Petro1 doesn't look rich-it is eating you up,
do you really care about my opinion-don't people have rights to have their own opinions,
just look at what you write
-you deafeningly are not speaking love
-and I am sure you would come at me with a sword-in the name of your dirty fell mouthed beliefs.
"... by his structure
'looking at him he smiles like a poor man
-his cheap clothing tells the story
!"
- brocab infamous quote ©

Do a complete re-reading of your original comment, Mr "speaking love" Loverman
to see, if you didnt from a series of poor judgment and bad taste make some insensitive remarks and arrogant blunders.

brocab:
You have got to be kidding man-coming at me like you know "God-with a mouth like yours!
Do yourself a favour man, get with God, spend time with Him, pray for you and I-ask Him for your forgiveness!
Do that and lets leave the past behind, and start again..

Should have been a black sheep
but alas black sheep have hoofs,
and not nails to file
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by Goshen360(m): 12:10am On Sep 21, 2018
^^^

Why two of una dey quarrel naw, shebi una two are on the same course. Fussing are better handled maturely.

Thanks for the good work on here though.
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 12:31am On Sep 21, 2018
Goshen360:
^^^
I dont pretend. I say it as it is.
Are you talking to me?

Goshen360:
Why two of una dey quarrel naw, shebi una two are on the same course.
"... by his structure
'looking at him he smiles like a poor man
-his cheap clothing tells the story
!"
- brocab infamous quote ©

Goshen360:
Fussing are better handled maturely.
You rather no fuss be made about the injustice of that remark
Do you rather, him not be given cautionary advices, not to judge by looks, as appearances don't always convey accurate information?
Is advising someone against making rubbishing remarks about another deemed handled immaturely?

Goshen360:
Thanks for the good work on here though.
I guess you're proud of the "brocab infamous quote" and others not worth referring to, "good work" up there
I guess the brother deserves a pat on the back for the jolly "good work" hes done there underrating Petra1 based on appearances in a picture
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 10:58pm On Sep 21, 2018
Is this truly you? I had said my sorry's and still you make a mockery from it-I have an opinion, you cant prove other wise, are you expecting me to get down on my hands and knees to worship you-while in the mean time you could say to me, well done good and faithful servant-you can't accept it-then Pray about it. I will say it again-I am Sorry if I had upset you. I had no ideal Petro1 means so much 'more to you, you speak of him like a marriage had began between you both-is he your husband. Forgive me, and allow us to walk on..
MuttleyLaff:
Ssshhhh! Oh, put a lid on it already! People are discovering that you're talking from your rear end
After reading your page full of bad language against me, obviously you can't accept any thing I had written, forgive, is the key Word for today! We are Christians amongst each other-you treat this like we are enemies-honesty your fruit stinks-is there any room in your heart left to accept my forgiveness.
I had asked you a question-you refused to answer it, you claim petro1 is rich, in which way is he rich-I ask you a simple question is he rich through tithes he gives to his pastor-you said: you don't know-but still you claim he is rich, in what way is he rich?
As a non tither-we know that tithing does not make people rich in God-biblical knowledge gives us riches to our soul-preaching unbiblical knowledge is like collecting rubbish for our soul, tithes these days is about financial gain-tithers who claims to be rich through tithing are "prosperity preachers, wolves in sheep clothing..
You believe Petro1 is rich-how is he rich? His photo don't prove he is rich-his cloths and his smile can not possibility prove he is rich. But you believe he is rich-I say he is not rich through his clothing his smile-you say he is rich through his clothes and his smile-prove he is rich! I don't care what people think of me, I don't care if you lie black and blue about me, if you are looking for people to pick sides, just mingle in with the gossips and busybodies like you, you can't miss them-they are in every Church causing problems between other believers-plus if any of your followers had any sense-they would ask the same question-prove petro1 is rich-in what way?
You believe he is rich in God-and yet he preaches another doctrine about tithing? Riches in God is about believing His Word, not something other then His Word, don't you understand everything is about His Word-not some made up tithing excuse-that gains plenty of money through godliness.
{Timothy 6:3-15} Tithing was always a problem-it had always caused disputes, and arguments over words, everybody in their right minds know that to be rich in Word is about truth-there is no truth found in tithing, it does not make people rich in God, worldly riches yes! Maybe petro1 has worldly riches-you need to understand-I test the Word of God-and if tithing is not biblical then it should be left alone.
Does this mean, this page will caste me-out from among the wolves in sheep clothing, am I not accepted in your chain of evil, am I expected to read your bad language against me every time I open my page.
Isn't there any justice left in the Church, had your heart caste me into the pits of hell already, we expect this behaviour from gossips and busybodies, you seem to be well connected with both, do you actually believe God exist?
Every time I open my page the first thing I see is my enemy coming up against me, wake up-forget about the rubbish and pray for yourself, pray for me-visa versa-you don't like my opinion, and I don't like your threats, so after I had prayed to forgive, I allow God to work miracles and change this picture: the truth will always set me free..Don't winch against me, pray for you and I.
Your name Muttley rings a bell-did you ever watch this Cartoon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uSTOHa4Im4
MuttleyLaff:
Ssshhhh! Oh, put a lid on it already! People are discovering that you're talking from your rear end

https://www.nairaland.com/113108/truth-pastor-not-tell-tithes/37#71351924
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 12:16am

You really want to know?
The link is above, shows where you were smiling like the cat who got the cream with sunshade goggles on, at 16 minutes past midnight

Only if you knew. SMH

I am grateful to you for clearing up with this comment what real rich is. Thank you.

1/ If you come to know that Petra1 does both those two, will it make you take back the rubbishing remark you made about him?
2/ Will it make you accept that my cautionary advices, not to judge by looks, as appearances don't always convey accurate information is true?



SMH. False equivalence

"... by his structure
'looking at him he smiles like a poor man
-his cheap clothing tells the story
!"
- brocab infamous quote ©

Do a complete re-reading of your original comment, Mr "speaking love" Loverman
to see, if you didnt from a series of poor judgment and bad taste make some insensitive remarks and arrogant blunders.


Should have been a black sheep
but alas black sheep have hoofs,
and not nails to file
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 3:47am On Sep 22, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Looks can be deceiving.

Were you expecting him putting on draping and flowing agbada or babaringa?

Nothing in the pic tells a hardship or poverty story
He looked every inch rich, clean and well groomed to me in the pic.
He had neat hair, chic clothes on, as in the high street branded pair of jeans and jacket, that fitted him well.
The beaming smile on his face showed, a satisfied and contented person, at peace with himself and God.

Petra1 will be LOL reading your comments
He'll probably admit to the "I am a Small structure, with a big God" sanitised version expression.
Some might look small, but dont be deceived by that structure or appearance,
because unbeknownst to you, they're actually are big in terms of financial power and philanthropy
You speak about Petro1 like he is everything to you-you are Petro1 or you are someone who fantasise over him-to close gives you away.
Is money all about God to you, another tither hits the dust, the cloths you wear in the photo isn't worth bragging about, this maybe all the riches you have-truly it's nothing, it proves nothing.
Riches in God isn't about how we look-it's about who we serve, it's obvious you prefer riches.
{brocab: 2:47am On Sep 15 "I don't see a rich man-you call him rich because you know him-maybe you are him-Just by looking at the photo he doesn't look like a man who carries a pocket full of money.}
Don't be offended-we all come up against something we don't all agree with-you tithe, I don't tithe-we believe in two different doctrines-If you were rich, in heart-the inside of the cup will shine on the outside-but it doesn't with you, your page against me tells your story.
You expect people to listen that tithing makes people rich, you want me to believe your clothing belongs to a rich man, because you tithe.
I don't tithe 'and yet God blesses me, just as much as the next person, I wear leather jackets-jeans and boots, I have plenty of cloths-I have a pickup truck, I ride a harley, my wife drives her car, my son drives his car, having worldly riches doesn't prove I am rich, what really makes me rich, is God.
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by MuttleyLaff: 8:59pm On Sep 22, 2018
brocab:
You speak about Petro1 like he is everything to you
-you are Petro1 or you are someone who fantasise over him
-to close gives you away.
It is Petra1, and not Petro1

Petra1 is everything to me, as much as, you are everything to me
I fantasise over Petra1, no more, no less, than I fantasise over you.
It is my prerogative. I don't need anyone's permission not to.

For the umpteenth time, I am not Petra1.
If I know so much about Elvis Presley, would that be "too close" as to give me away, as being Elvis Presley?
C'mon now, get real.

brocab:
Is money all about God to you, another tither hits the dust,
the cloths you wear in the photo isn't worth bragging about, this maybe all the riches you have
-truly it's nothing, it proves nothing.
You're caught in a web of your fake news bud and you know it
so you're left to hanging for dear life, on to this pitiful thread strand,
to get you saved from your blushes and stop you from spinning out of control.

brocab:
Riches in God isn't about how we look
-it's about who we serve,
You've now used wisdom and good sense to become fully aware of this as a fact.

brocab:
it's obvious you prefer riches.
Yes, you're right. I do prefer riches.
I prefer the 3 John 1:2 kind.

brocab:
{brocab: 2:47am On Sep 15
"I don't see a rich man-you call him rich because you know him-maybe you are him


-Just by looking at the photo he doesn't look like a man who carries a pocket full of money.}
Take it from me and have it for free,
that, it is not possible to judge a person's character from/by looking at their photo

brocab:
Don't be offended
-we all come up against something we don't all agree with
-you tithe, I don't tithe
-we believe in two different doctrines
-If you were rich, in heart-the inside of the cup will shine on the outside
-but it doesn't with you, your page against me tells your story.
I am not offended and I dont give tithe as a mandatory or obligatory giving.
I don't give regular specified percentage (i.e. 10%) of my financial income.
I am not into false teachings and practices of ecclesiastical monitised tithing or imposed tithing
I am under no guise that coerced, imposed and/or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving, is a principle

Most arent aware that the 10% of monthly salary of people is an ecclesiastical tax and surcharge
and that it was birthed after much deliberations at the Council of Tours and Council of Macon
It since then has grown to be what we see it to be today, a multi billion dollar industry

The irony of the matter that hasnt hit you yet, is that you are an insufferable bully,
who has been acting and talking in an unbearable ignorant and proud way
and you needed to be reminded, that you're no better than others, particularly Petra1 in this case, who you're trying to put down.

brocab:
You expect people to listen that tithing makes people rich...
Yes, I expect people to listen that, under the perfect law of liberty, tithing, makes people rich

Now the questions, I predict you'll be quivering and twitching for answers to, are:
1/ What is a or is the perfect law of liberty?
2/ What perfect law of liberty is that?
3/ and what type of tithing is being talked here?

brocab:
you want me to believe your clothing belongs to a rich man, because you tithe
I DO NOT want you to believe that Petra1's clothing belongs to a rich man, because Petra1 tithes.

I dare you to answer these:
1/ Who first, brought up, the issue of looks and clothing?
2/ Who used vicious insinuations first, on Petra1's looks and/or brought up issues on clothing he wore first?
3/ Who brought up, that by looking at Petra1's photo, he isn't one that carries a pocket full of money?
4/ Who said:"... by his structure 'looking at him he smiles like a poor man"

If you check out bullies now, you will notice that they target people who are SMALLER than they are
(i.e. bully others with a smaller structure).
Now do you notice this pattern in your post about Petra1?
You've been busted buddy

Leave the person out of it, preach the message

Make your points, without disparaging someone, centering on their look, clothing or whether pocket is full of money or not
Leave out what Petra1 looks like in a photo, leave out what he wears,
leave out whether his pocket is full of money or not, just preach the message, preach the message only, the undiluted message alone.

brocab:
I don't tithe 'and yet God blesses me, just as much as the next person,
I wear leather jackets-jeans and boots, I have plenty of cloths
-I have a pickup truck, I ride a harley, my wife drives her car, my son drives his car,
I dont tithe either (i.e. I don't do regular 10% of salary giving)
and God blesses me too, just as much as the next Adam or Eve, if not more,
however "Vanity of vanities," says the Preacher,
"Vanity of vanities! All is vanity."

brocab:
having worldly riches doesn't prove I am rich, what really makes me rich, is God.
"Looking at petra1 photo he doesn't look like a rich man,
if tithing is his main goals, then he needs to prove this
by his structure 'looking at him he smiles like a poor man
-his cheap clothing tells the story!
"
- brocab © 2:47am On Sep 15

You know about this, yet you slandered a brother, that he doesn't look like a rich man
that by his structure, looking at him he smiles like a poor man
and you also said, his cheap clothing tells the story.

Ha-ah!. You need to get more grace based,
because there is something unhealthy about the way you think of others and/or see others
We should all find time for wisdom and your time is now
Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by johnw47: 2:49am On Sep 24, 2018
brocab:

You speak about Petro1 like he is everything to you
-you are Petro1 or you are someone who fantasise over him
-to close gives you away.



MuttleyLaff:


For the umpteenth time, I am not Petra1.

paranoia is not from God
many in the religion forum have it

another example:

TATIME:
Someone posted this picture on pages 2 of this thread, please OneJ remind us who did. Please don't mention Emusan (the disguised achorladey) on NL.

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